The Pros & Cons Of Sequential Gearboxes

[@acerusea5156]

If you've driven the BMW M3 GTR in Need for Speed Most Wanted you would immediately fall in love with the transmission whine

[@acerusea5156]

@Vaas Montenegro straight cut gears

[@michaeldavis2531]

That doesn't mean it's sequential.

[@kiwihunter3476]

Those were actually only built in manual and that's a good thing because the auto trans was a ticking time bomb and the "manual" mode is one of few where you can confidently say you would be faster shifting yourself

[@clips_from_everything]

*THAT'S WHY I AM HERE AND THIS IS THE TOP COMMENT WTF*

[@M4RK_349]

Same bruh

[@mrsides89]

Sequential = straight to business H pattern = joy of driving

[@easyenetwork2023]

Make better time with sequential though.

[@xquisid]

Imagine having an old 90's NSX with sequential gearbox....

[@barbosaguzman6101]

Excellent analogy

[@barbosaguzman6101]

@@xquisid oh its possible just how deep are ones pockets 😉

[@yeejay6396]

@@barbosaguzman6101 this... 🌬️💸

[@snaaail]

Anyone else absolute love the sound of straight cut gears?

[@takiua2264]

He just had to crush my dreams when he said the cost of the sequential

[@anattempttomakecontent776]

@Thrashing Hentai as if that makes it better

[@ihteshamkhan4696]

11k is actually cheap, they’re usually over 20k-30k

[@barbosaguzman6101]

@@ihteshamkhan4696 exactly.. theres a UK firm that have starting prices at 8K.. Add another 1 to 2K for mapping fine tuning the car. Saving up for one .. slap it in me scooby 😈

[@he-who]

Was gonna build an mr2 with a sequential trans and a vr6 but it’s starting to seem a bit expensive 😂

[@jkh8350]

Your best option is to super bike engine swap your car

[@souheib9343]

If I had a quid for each time he says "selector" I would be able to afford a car AND install a sequential gearbox

[@6Mar99]

I've started in motorcycles before driving a manual car so I've always wondered why manual car's don't use a sequential gearbox. Thanks for the explanation!

[@Automobilissimo]

I find amazing the sond they do when changing gears! - MP -

[@ostfahrstreifen8421]

better than double clutch farting, by far

[@Oberheiko]

like the BMW GTR in Need for Speed MW

[@haaxxx9]

Gran turismo 4, Chevrolet Corvette C5R. Get out of here please :)

[@emmareporter4324]

What I like in need or speed most wanted is the Shelby Cobra

[@monkeyeatbanana]

Sound*

[@therwfer]

1:52 "The need for a clutch is eliminated [...]" You're leaving out quite a chunk here. Should be either "The need for a clutch is eliminated if you have a quickshifter" or "The need for a clutch is eliminated if you know what you're doing, and even then this can put quite some wear on the poor thing if your timing isnt right". To change a gear, a sequential transmission has to be free of load. Modern cars and many bikes will cut the ignition for a split second which accomplishes that. If not, you have to invert the throttle for a gear change. So if you accelerate and want to shift up, you have to put mild pressure on the gear lever, then close the throttle and open it again very quickly. Or vice versa, for a downshift, give it some throttle for a brief moment. The gear will change "itself" the moment when load is around zero. In this scenario there are soooooo many ways to fuck up. I managed to: - not close the throttle far enough, making me land between gears - not go through the gear change all the way, making me land between gears - not close the throttle far enough, but apply a lot of pressure on the gear lever, which does the gear change, but is audibly BAD for the transmission - do the gear change before I want it, because I go over a hump Not saying, you shouldnt shift clutchless (I do it all the time). Just that your info is too casual.

[@assi2assi]

yes or (especially on a bike)tip the fking clutch.if you do it right it takes not long and you dont have to worry about fking sth up sure if you race and rev the shit out of it you dont clutch,but then you dont give a shit about wear xD

[@nathanbaeyens2856]

it is truly difficult to mess up a clutchless shift on a motorcycle if everything is functioning as it should.

[@brettershoalar9001]

Ignition timing and seq gearboxes? I know that most of the time you install the box together with a 'ignition cut system'. Yes, this needs to be set up propa anyway.

[@brettershoalar9001]

Nate Diggaroo yeah, I've heard stories about loose selector forks or bad runout on the selector shaft. Normally you should not be on the throttle during shift IF you're not working with a ignition time breaker during shifts.

[@jacobk.6948]

@@assi2assi then there is one Finger less on the handlebar... Not good when you drive fast on the street

[@plainee6183]

I love the sound of straight cut gears

[@Ronin-gy5ob]

Sequential = Serious driving Manual = Fun

[@nicholasjacob8841]

other way

[@Slayer119988]

@@nicholasjacob8841 legitimate race cars use sequential, which would be serious driving.

[@dieselgeezer18]

@@Slayer119988 because its serious doesn't nesecarilly mean its more fun

[@ale_s45]

Auto: noob driving DCT: Heavvy wallet driving

[@johndavidson3424]

@@nicholasjacob8841 You mad bro, H-pattern manual gearbox are more fun to drive than a sequential gearbox, and sequential gearbox are so focused like an Automatic(like a DCT with paddle shifters, not a CVT or AMT) and are much quicker than a manual too.

[@vitark1544]

I recently drove a racecar with a 6 speed dog box and I say that it's the most awesome and connected feeling you get with a car! You feel everything on the gearbox and I didn't do clutchless shifts although I saw the owner do it and was amazed by the low drop in RPM and shift time. If you do it right it's almost like a sequential but with the benefits of having the H pattern

[@Racing_Fox]

Vítor Brás was that a sequential or h pattern 6 speed?

[@grren1782]

I'm a motorcycle mechanic...... I literally know the inside of these transmissions like the back of my hand.... Why the hell am I here.... Eh whatever still entertaining

[@zigbo5659]

Master of your art I see

[@barrels5262]

How can you not love the sound of straight cut gears?

[@Hamachingo]

Try going fast in your car in reverse. On its own that noise sucks. Combined with a big turbo and anti-lag it’s great.

[@8PK4Life8]

FYI: The reason you don't need a clutch on some sequential upshifts is only down to electronics, i.e ignition/fuel cut (or closing the throttle slightly), and a blipping system on the downshifts. I use the clutch on my bike engined car for downshifts and for 1st to 2nd as you have to cross neutral.

[@futureshit-glungis7202]

You can do a clutchless upshift without an electronic quickshifter if you let off the gas and get the timing right. And theoretically you could also blipp it down but this is far far more difficult and i dont think a human could really do that reliably enough to mot hurt the transmission

[@michaeldavis2531]

They don't necessarily always need to be hydraulic or pneumatic actuators. In this case of a sequential transmission with a manual shift lever, it's usually just a mechanical linkage.

[@BondTheOGYT]

Car Throttle notifications is what I live for

[@BondTheOGYT]

& car memes

[@8milesaboveyou819]

Bond .

[@toroseye]

Bond leave

[@zefn190]

nah watching brand spanking new Car Throttle videos is what i live for

[@ridingwithjander5520]

The noise that sequential gear boxes make is amazing

[@mazder_2709]

Straight cut gears BMW M3 GT-R NFSMW 2005

[@acerusea5156]

The M3 GTR in Carbon is insane with more audacity in the whining

[@arjun._.bbC6]

@@acerusea5156 The Transmission whine is crazier in the carbon and I love it!

[@Wildchildinc]

Sequential gearboxes are goals for speed! That's why I don't understand the manual elitist that talk down about semi-autos or dual clutch transmissions because these days they are getting close to speed with sequential and shift faster than the average manual driver.

[@maximilianhummelde]

It not all about speed but fun.

[@Wildchildinc]

Keule〈3® Beating lap times and going fast is fun. Using a full manual is fun too, but feels like a hassle over prolonged times like regular commute in traffic. Any form is fun during spiritrd driving.

[@giriwidodo8013]

ahem, heel and toe downshifting

[@Wildchildinc]

There's still a delay downshifting even with heel + toe. I'm just saying there is no point for elitist to be down talking semi-autos/dual clutch when they are getting to speed with sequential transmissions. In the end, driving a manual isn't all too impressive because it becomes second nature with practice like learning an instrument. No matter what car or transmission a user enjoys, spirited driving will always be fun.

[@hyperlogos]

If all you care about is the best driving experience then you should have a modern automatic, they make shifts faster than you do and since they have a torque converter power stays smooth while shifting.

[@jackrichards1101]

I love proper manuals but one of my dream builds is a highish power EVO with a squential

[@rickyduran7673]

Thx for translating to u.s currency

[@Ninja98x]

Just wanted to point out one small inaccuracy: straight-cut gears don't actually have less power loss than helical gears. Both have pretty much negligible power loss, but helical gears are actually just a tiny tiny bit more efficient. However, the reason racecars use straight-cut gears is because helical gears introduce forces in extra directions. Basically they want to push past each other and they want to push each other apart. These extra forces mean the gearbox housing needs to be stronger, which makes it heavier. So the TL;DR is: straight-cut gears are not more efficient, but they allow a lighter transmission housing, so the car can be just a little bit lighter.

[@kal1mm]

stick sequential is better than flappy paddle.

[@maxjtj31]

KAL 1 why

[@notirishrider7953]

for racing not really paddles will save you time on switching gears and you can keep both hands on the stearing wheel.

[@Throwaway-kg7ft]

NotIrishRider I know, I just watched the video

[@user-wy5uq7oq8q]

for rally stick is better because in rally you have to throw the wheel around a lot (atleast in older cars with no close distance steering lock). Shifting while swapping hands mid-corner would be a pain with paddles

[@markopetrushev3084]

Truth be told it is

[@rajgill7576]

The straight cut gears are not just a clunky and noisy hassle, the whole point of helical cut conventional gears is that they have a higher engagement area and wear less when being engaged in and out of shifts. Str8 cut will wear quicker, but hopefully past the life of the vehicle.

[@florianpike2250]

Shifting Pop is amazing

[@TheWoebegoneJackal]

I feel that the last point made is exactly why I enjoy H pattern manuals. I mean, of course sequentials and dual-clutches are faster overall, but driving a traditional manual just feels so good. The engagement that it forces on you makes for a fuller driving experience. It's the same reason I still paint with physical media sometimes, even though I have a computer tablet.

[@Ben_Mayall]

Nothing beats a good manual

[@tomasgrikenis8186]

Ben Mayall You know what's better than a manual? Two manuals put together :D I'm talking about a DCT

[@giriwidodo8013]

Tomas Grikenis nope, i still prefer normal manual than dct. because it is fun, and reliable

[@monkeguy34]

Tomas Grikenis nope lol, I have more fun in my manual es lancer than I had in my dct ralliart lol

[@TheAdaaamski]

Manual is fun but when I'm sitting in traffic I so wish I'm driving an automatic

[@Ben_Mayall]

Adam. Yeah, can't deny that

[@1InfinityShade]

I'm glad you decided to do this after the, "Daily Drive A Road Legal Race Car". I honestly didn't realize that a clutch was still involved in a Sequential Gearboxes.

[@liamaldous2624]

Can you do a video explaining why we don't use V4s anymore

[@markopetrushev3084]

Because I4s

[@markopetrushev3084]

Because I4s

[@liamaldous2624]

Macedonian Gamer I have realized that, but why are I4s better than V4s

[@ImBarryScottCSS]

Simplicity, packaging, balance, materials... V4's are a weak as hell layout.

[@ZZZxRv]

price. just the price. i4, one head. v4, two heads.

[@Chimera6297]

I like my H pattern, I would probably love a sequential but I can chirp the tires pretty consistently on an upshift which is very satisfying sometimes. and I feel like I shift fast enough. I've driven a DCT and it sure is fun to just put your foot to the floor and go through the gears, but it's electronically controlled. something is missing from the equation. I suppose the traditional sequential is more mechanical so that would be pretty cool. maybe I just like slamming gears and hitting that perfect heel-toe downshift, who knows lol and for those of you wondering, you actually CAN convert your H pattern to a sequential shift pattern by installing a sequential shifter. You'd still have to use the clutch shift but it's a basic "back to go up, forward to go down". probably not as quick, but it IS cheaper than shelling out metric f*cktons of money for a transmission that is going to be driven hard AF

[@szekelyferenczzoltan2274]

I don't quite understand how can a sequential gearbox shift without a clutch, and a standard manual can't, while there is no difference only in selecting gears.

[@MyLonewolf25]

Szekely Ferencz dog rings Look it up buddy

[@adamkelly1492]

Szekely Ferencz you don't need a clutch to drive manual

[@Dirk_Taggesell]

Was wondering the same. Either the clutch IS involved during shift (for the fraction of a second), or the electronics that controls the shifting dials back the engine torque just enough to switch gears flawlessly - rev-matching as well. I think this might be different from car to car. BTW: my smart definitely disengages the clutch while shifting :) (yes, that has a sequential gearbox too)

[@realENGY]

You don't have to use the clutch, but then you have to match the RPMs of the gear you are going to engage. This can either be done electronically or manually with the throttle.

[@iamadness69]

Dogs

[@Chubby_Lemon]

Thanks Bart, loved this episode of science garage!

[@sethjones9237]

Poor Dedication Blog crashing out ha

[@bazzyg]

I've got one in my E46 330i it's a DSG with paddle shift and sequential manual. Great at high speeds but a pain in the ass while in traffic.

[@gigel99324]

Bazzyg you have a dual clutch gearbox in ypur e46. seriously.

[@manfromnantucket9544]

Bazzyg I think you bought the wrong car lol

[@junhaozhang533]

Bazzyg that called SMG

[@FamousAndYouKnowIt]

You can skip gears in a sequential box... like from second to fourth... just clutch in, blip the shifter twice and let the clutch out.

[@ueehurstonsecurity8887]

thats not skipping gears, as far as the gear box goes. your still hitting all the gears its just not engaging the power to the wheels by skipping gears it would mean legit skipping them in the transmission, from 6 to 3 in one shift, one movement

[@S1Sequential]

Can I correct this, a sequential gearbox doesn’t have to be clutchless what this guy is describing is a sequential dog box. Drivers often clutch even sequential dog boxes on down shifts to smooth the shift this is sometimes on upshifts too, this is especially the case with larger road car engines that have high rotating mass. Also, although a selector drum shaft is a common way to select the gears it is not a requirement of a sequential gearbox any mechanical/electronic method can be used. A sequential gearbox is simply a gearbox in which gears are selected sequential (in order, one after the other )

[@georgekostaras3798]

that wtf1 clip

[@kaustubhpethkar4769]

@Car Throttle best channel for engineheads, i love your channel.

[@MickZarco]

I finally got to know where's the "whine" coming from, thanks. ❤

[@F-Man]

I've driven both manual and sequential gearboxes, and I prefer a traditional manual for normal types of driving (road stuff), as being able to select any gear at any time is very useful in the road, like downshifting from 5th to 3rd to climb a hill. With a sequential box, driving on the road is a pain.

[@easyenetwork2023]

Yeah, but the fact you should not be able to miss a shift is nice, right?

[@crashdrift4742]

They showed one of Chris Drifts crashes twice in the video.

[@ProudMurican_PVT-GR137]

On bikes we always use the clutch to change gears, it’s said that that if we don’t use it parts will wear quicker, tough they gear in without any grind or discomfort if we don’t use it

[@ts.exotics642]

awesome vid

[@RidinDirtyRollinBurnouts]

Clk Gtr road car came with the same sequential gearbox as the racecar. The clutch wasn't needed to shift but apparently would only last a few hundred miles without it

[@kevinbarath6808]

Dude, you could build a car from just scrap parts if you look back at all you videos Who Agree's

[@blazortheepic0384]

Slim Cheddar top gear did something like that

[@davidrestrepo3721]

You could but id question the reliability of that car 😂😂

[@percsfn1133]

can you stall a sequential gearbox car? do you have to ease off the clutch when leaving in first gear like a manual car or can you just put it in first and drive without using the clutch ? PLEASE RESPOND 🙏🏼

[@manfromnantucket9544]

Pro: LAP TIMEZ BRO! Con: not a manual

[@mariusg3nheimer]

Nice to see ChrisCrash here at CarThrottle :D Nice Video!

[@Atem_S.]

Track : sequential, Street: good old stick with a short shift!

[@aznnubbyboy]

car enthusiasts don't hate on sequential nor automatic cars. true car enthusiasts might prefer manual gearbox but they will love all kinds of car regardless of what transmission it has. I'm sure car enthusiasts find joy in anything with 4 wheels that drive whether it's fast, slow, queer, low, high doesn't matter as long as it makes you smile.

[@probro6722]

Pros - pretty much everything Cons - You can't afford it you broke ass

[@jackbarker2914]

That dedication blog clip was savage

[@improvementology4011]

Roses are red Violets are blue I am not early And neither are you

[@manfromnantucket9544]

boo

[@CobaltKiller_ZA]

Im 5 months later than you buddy😂

[@bencrosbie]

I top that lmao

[@piotr88e]

well i'm not early as well

[@sheesh4434]

well i am 1 year later

[@tomasdillard7429]

My 1986 Chevy short bed stepside has a sequential manual shift transmission with near 320-350 horsepower it's a T5 Borg Warner. I got a really good deal on it I bought it for $150

[@dp12480]

Didn't even know what the video was about, just saw car throttle and pressed play

[@daten__]

Your R33 profile pic is my background on my laptop :D

[@assassin879]

I love straight cut gears love the noise and feel the clutchless Jericho gearbox is probably one of the best

[@jhansenduca1478]

#heeltoedownshifting

[@RazorSharp75426]

did heel and toe downshifting apply on all racing cars with H-pattern manual transmission?

[@HepauDK]

Razor The heel-toe is used for rev matching on downshifts. When racing, neglecting to rev match with a fully manual transmission quickly destroys the clutch, I guess...

[@Wiikendzgoodmix]

Henrik Paulsen more like upset the cars balance and you risk losing control..

[@bobby__custer]

Please do a video specifically on straight cut gears.

[@jakub.j1720]

Going to France is worth for candy up

[@ajrg91]

This is what I'm planning to have when I'm ready to build my project car. An awd(or rwd) honda civic eg with a pandem kit and a sequential gearbox.

[@johnnypea5369]

sequential are expensive? they aren't expensive in motorcycles

[@TheCrazyBird844]

Johnny Pea Mororcycle sequentials don't have to be built to withstand torque like the ones for cars do I'd imagine. Weaker materials can be used which equals less cost, and they're also making an ass load of them all the exact same which drives the price down. Getting one made for your car would be a lot more expensive. The example he gave is specifically made for the Miata and to handle over 300 lb/ft of torque, they probably don't make very many a year which makes it expensive and it's build to withstand quite a bit more torque than a stock Miata.

[@flyzx2]

There is (ideally) no sliding motion, and therefore, frictional losses, between tooth surfaces of gears due to the profile of the teeth. The advantage of spur gears in racing applications is the lack of trust loads (along the axis of rotation of the gear) which would be induced by helical gears. This allows for a lighter gearbox assembly.

[@Zero_Ninety]

Please stop calling it a Miata, it's an MX-5.

[@xero6124]

Zero Ninety the NA, NB, and NC mx-5s are miatas. The ND is the only one that isn't technically a miata

[@bloodyfx1065]

Please stop calling it mx-5 it's an Miata.

[@MadIIMike]

How about Eunos Roadster?

[@philipfox2.081]

Pls stop calling it MX-5 and Miata, it's a 124 Spyder

[@Racing_Fox]

Bloody FX even you Americans call it the MX-5 Miata so MX5 is the only bit that’s global

[@rotorblade9508]

They are the next step from the old H pattern gearbox in Motorsport

[@Clutched392]

Dear youtube recommendations, why.

[@Bru946]

I'd say the risk of power gear selection and unexpected over revving is one of the best things about these gear boxes I've seen a lot of people on the truck mess up their cars doing this.

[@Dacommenta]

The real question is why would I want a mx5

[@MadIIMike]

because pop up headlights

[@stantorren4400]

only the 1st gen have them instead it’s because track day and light weight

[@_M27_]

i would love the hear that high pitch sound when i blast trough gears! that would make me feel real statisfied

[@brentiaconelli6484]

Thyrone awesome in short drives... Like a brain drill after a hour

[@justinschultz6482]

Video starts at 0:00. Thank me later Read more

[@ImBarryScottCSS]

Rekt.

[@MikeeCZ]

that avatar is an epic troll, bravo sir

[@Cricis11700]

SuperSonic_Savage This guy is living in the year 7102.

[@crowvelle]

SuperSonic_Savage FUCK YOU

[@tmr_media6927]

SuperSonic_Savage troll

[@smaulpaul]

Great video. I sooooo want a sequential gear box for my Type-R now

[@memelord4042]

ayy lmao

[@dwhxyz]

The reason you can change gear without a clutch has nothing to do with it being sequential. Its because the gearbox uses dog engagement instead of synchros. I drove a car many years that was standard H pattern with dog engagement which was nice. Also note that that standard dog boxes require the clutch for downshifts. This can be overcome with electronics to auto blip the throttle on downshifts - most new top end motorcycles have this fitted due to throttle by wire.

[@easyenetwork2023]

NASCAR still has dog boxes at the Xfinity level and below.

[@boostedbuiltgarage]

Great explanation of how a sequential shifts!👌

[@cvitisgarage]

Beautifully shown

[@ilanmoore6957]

my moms mini cooper s from 2011 has a sequential and an auto built in. it has both paddles and a stick for sequential.

[@ninjakat8922]

As a rider and a car guy I (eventually) wan't to get a smart car fortwo and swap it with a GSXR1300 or a ZX14R engine. Around 190hp, 11k redline and a sequential gearbox. Don't know what i'll do with it but I have this idea stuck in my head for a while and sounds sick.

[@alexanderbarr]

straight cut gears are savage and brilliant. Every car nut should love the whine they produce, just like people love a turbo whistle of supercharger.

[@brandonwright2067]

Great great video and thanx for including the US conversion

[@jamesmatthewsphotography355]

Eyyyyy dedication blog!! Well done chris you made it ;)

[@powerdbyracingj.v4495]

I love the straight cut gear whining sound

[@richardstock1]

We love the sound of a good straight cut sequential. It's like mechanical concert.

[@linkboss]

Ethan using Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro headphones. Nice choice !

[@mattlee87]

That high pitched whine is gloriousness

[@Blitzcleaning]

I love the sound from a sequential gearbox

[@RedesCat]

love the sound of the old school sequentials

[@mueedk2]

1:40 my head actually just exploded

[@paganidreams6608]

3:27 fuck me but I'm in love with that noise going together with the engine sound

[@LeBeckStudio]

What about a rev match while downshifting? Are you forced to let electronics do the most fun job?

[@yatishvasa3560]

i love you car throttle for the video editing part

[@MrEnigmaClueless]

Looking at the animation for the sequential gear box was the first time that gear selection clicked for me. I never truly understood how the gears engaged to drive power through the shafts.

[@tw06le1]

Manual= Feelings, Manhood, Nostalgia. Sure it fun! Paddle Shift/Sequential= 1 less thing to think about, computer does it faster, elimination of human error- Foot down beat you anytime anywhere...

[@thecartruthreport8451]

The X-Trac gearbox found on most your GT3 class car costs like $50,000 and needs to be rebuilt often.

[@aznnubbyboy]

my z4 e85 has the BMW smg. most people hate it but I think it's pretty unique. to have a Manu gearbox with a sequential. but he is right, low speed town driving does really suck and it clunks and jerks alot.

[@W2st3d]

Thank you so much ❤️ you just saved me 6k£ for IB5 sequential kit with lsd

[@Sisyphus1942]

As a motorcyclist, I find the part about the gearbox being difficult at low speeds surprising. Are we sure that isn't about the track orientation of the cars with them or is it because bikes are lighter?

[@abramo7700]

damn, thank you guys for giving us easy diagrams to understand on the gearbox explanation, i finally understand

[@Johnny-tq9no]

Just to be clear you need a proper electronic quickshifter to be able to shift without the clutch or it will wear the dogs in the trans such as in most motorcycles that don't come with a quickshifter

[@alexflorea43]

CLUTCH KICK!!!

[@AutoAgitator]

Ideal for drive-throughs

[@AlexDan99]

2:18 that's how The @ChrisDrift ,crash, channel started.