The PVP Update (And why we need it again) - Sea of Thieves

[@AShinyRay]

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[@magicpyroninja]

They should have done something to kick out closed Crews that didn't have enough people after so long in the lobbies and they should have made more game types for arena

[@frstcsns]

Love your videos, i know this is a long shot, but is the footage from the 0.52 second of this video still around on twitch? and if yes, which one? (just saw me and my crew, obviously we fought want to see the fight again)

[@AShinyRay]

@@frstcsns we weren't streaming at the time unfortunately, only clipped this due to the 3 person back spawn!

[@pleythru]

Watching this reminded me just how much was in a single update...the emissary mechanics feel so foundational now that it's hard to remember not having them

[@AShinyRay]

I agree, lots of people take the system for granted

[@Chellzie]

100% agree and I think thats what the game needs most right now. New world encounters, voyages and small stuff is fun but its getting a bit dull, I want something where I'll look back at the game in a few years and be like "how did we live without this"

[@pleythru]

@@Chellzie Right? Legends of the Veil are definitely like that for me already, but something on the same level as emissary voyages in terms of pvp incentivization would be a godsend. I love me a good high risk, high reward mechanic.

[@Chellzie]

@@pleythru I agree LotV is like that but its athena specific and before that we were already aware of how sucky doing athenas were, we didn't look back and go "how did we live like that" we went "thank god that poor excuse for a voyage isn't the only thing this faction has anyone"

[@Ultrajamz]

I really hope they find a way to make on foot combat feel better

[@AShinyRay]

Same here, hit reg and more sandbox items would get good

[@gabzsy4924]

@@AShinyRay i don't really agree with those changes. I think we have enough items as is, what we need are better mechanics. A simple parry button would be game changing, less delay between actions, (only the eating action needs a longer delay imo) and perhaps a stamina bar but only for fighting. This way you can attack or block accordingly and on time with no delay but having to manage stamina to avoid spamming attacks or turtling, plus you can pull off parries and have extra advantage, but nothing crazy, more like an extra hit or two or cutting half the enemy stamina. I would also consider a crouch button to hide or getting cover for hits... The way it is now is just run jumping, slash attack spamming and blunderbuss to the face hoping the lag gods lets you hit.

[@JPooger]

The adventure where you had instant rez and everybody was on the same island was bad for the event, but amazing for TDM

[@JPooger]

@@gabzsy4924 stamina bar runs the risk of getting in the way of gameplay, imagine running around plunder island doing a gold hoarder riddle and having to stop every 2 minutes to Regen stam

[@Oronjalllo]

@@JPooger combat stamina you silly goose

[@milkyteasot]

Love looking back on these updates, it's so strange to me that people once didn't have emissaries but now I never sail without one xD

[@melon9933]

bro, ikr, these new players won't understand having to go to the devils roar in order to level up fast anymore. I used to be a full time resident there, I was born there.

[@JesseTwillaTUBA]

@@melon9933 lmao yeah, i remember being astonished when fotd came out, it was such a huge pile of cash for everyone. it was the first time i ever saw (and sold) an Athena. after season 3 i stopped playing but recently I've gotten into it again

[@dustysky895]

my best pvp encounter was me sailing my ship off the edge of the map to deny a dude my loot and denied him pvp after he chased me for 20 minutes.

[@ntd_015]

your wish was granted

[@keptyouwaiting]

i need arena...

[@TheElegantPelican]

Me too

[@notluke2410]

I regret not using it while I could

[@Thorumsu]

It was a mess... BUT IT WAS A FUN MESS DAMN IT

[@captainblackbeard1934]

It was ruined and bad after they updated its a good thing its gone

[@madaxgaming6405]

Arena Is necesary

[@pinguinm5623]

I remember at the launch of ships of fortune, the athena emissary was very easy to level up and you could basically keep cycling to grade 5 with the emissary quest you got from them. My friend and I were grinding athena's the whole week before it got patched lol, good memories from the update.

[@technocube2940]

The biggest reason I love SoT over other games is that risk and thrill, the risk vs reward. There is always something meaningful on the line in the pvp. The emissary system brought that to the next level. If we get another pvp update It doesn’t even have to change pvp in any way. It just has to find a way to put more on the line.

[@skellington15]

I believe this is the update where a majority of us came in, as in the Steam Launch. I had no idea until a month ago that Steam came TWO YEARS after the initial Xbox release so I was unable to experience the early adventures like the Hungering Deep and the Cursed Sails.

[@vonbeaver99]

The game was so bare bones on release. This update made the game fun again

[@alistairmathie7632]

Loved the vid! I still can’t believe how late into the game emissaries where released

[@themostexpendable]

Yep this was the update that made my crew and I forever players of the game. Absolutely changed the way we played. And came out very close to Quarantine lockdowns. Making the game vital for our mental health. Best update ever IMO.

[@Chellzie]

First time ever I'm bothering to be notified for a premier, better make it worth it! I have high hopes for season 8 between the 'leaks' like the flags and stuff under reapers hideout and them saying expanded role play, looks like the war is finally starting and battles will once again be encouraged.

[@AShinyRay]

We'll see what happens

[@Chellzie]

@@AShinyRay Said it in after your last video and will say it again, spring 2020 was the best time for sea of thieves and we need this again. I think at this point the old companies need to have max rep of 100 and new rewards in addition to some sort of refresh to reapers or a new faction. I'm not an insider so I genuinely have no idea but based on whats been going on lately I feel confident that there will be some sort of new actual progression soon.

[@gtpapex9814]

just join insider bro

[@Chellzie]

@@gtpapex9814 After intentionally leaving it I see no reason I would wanna join again.

[@homelessperson5455]

If we're talking updates, a few things I'd like to see: 1. Leviathan sea monster, at least a mile long. Multiple ships should be needed to take this thing down, but it's super slow. Lots of slam attacks as it rises high and falls like a tree across huge expanses of water, making a shockwave large enough to send boats in the air. A bit of weaving attacks that send out waves too. 2. Tsunami. A massive tidal wave that can appear on the water and drain the nearby beaches, it can also hit islands and send everything astray with knockback. 3. More shark spawns and fish you can grab from the water. Whales and dolphins too 4. Hunter's Call voyages. Have missions where you can track down and hunt sea monsters or rare fish/animals sighted in the water of certain islands. 5. NPC merchant ships. Sailing loot boxes that will fight back when attacked. 6. An artic region. Icebergs, vikings, polar bears, frostbite mechanics that can be countered with fire, etc. 7. New unlockable weapon types

[@Knuffeldraak]

The important part of PvP, IMO, is that there always should be reward. There needs to be a reason why you would go into engaging on other ships, and in most of the cases that's loot. People LOVE hunting, and it's one of the primary reasons why the Arena just did not fare well, because ultimately it was it's own self-revolving thing, detached from the game.

[@Zemythian]

Lately, people been logging off to avoid interactions. I was flying a gold hoarder’s emissary with the last one. They dropped a rank 4 flag and quite a bit of loot when all i was gonna do was say “Hello! Hows it going?” Seriously tho, if people dont want interactions, they need to be looking that horizon a LOT more than what they’re doing. AND realize when someone’s got their cannons aimed straight up signifying *PEACEFUL* I wont complain if they fire at me to make me go away or even try to sink me. Thats just much needed heart pumping excitement haha. Just say hello back and maybe comment something like any real adult gamer would

[@Crystan]

@Jamie There's no such thing as an honourable battle in SoT. You're either ganked or you're the one doing the ganking. Half the time you're sunk when questing on an island, and the other half you're fighting teams of 3-4 as a solo slooper. Very occasionally you'll get an even match, but even then it's more about how quickly you can exploit the game mechanics to win rather than trying to fight fair.

[@Ninja_Naranja]

Man, imagine getting 4 free complete ship sets. Crazy! But I remember this update like it was yesterday. It was the first time the game felt new since launch. Hopefully season 8 is this 2.0

[@ashenone3883]

So what’s your opinion on foward facing cannon that can only shoot a certain type of shot such as grapeshot to slow ships

[@psyche_1297]

"Loves" the comment Doesn't answer the question. Lol

[@SadToffee]

Reapers emmisary rework idea: You can see enemy ships at tier one, and still have the same gold bonuses on higher tiers. However, you can only tier up through PvP. No PvE activities up the grade of the flag. At first the issue might seem to be that it may take too long to get grade 5, but actually, it would cause tier 5 reapers to become genuinely juicy targets, something every crew on the server would at minimum think very hard about coming to attack you. Maybe make T5 Reaper flags worth a very large amount, because of how hard they would be to get. With some extra incentive for the crew of the T5 ship, like a gold bonus that increases over time, maybe if you run away from enemy ships it stops progressing, or even regresses. And I see how it could be abused on alliance servers, so what if reapers just couldn't form alliances, it's already extremely rare for PvP reapers to form alliances to begin with, so it really wouldn't be a detriment to players running the flag, and would probably just help to get rid of alliance scumming. Which is all around a good thing for the game.

[@Frostycrypton]

Yeah, I’d love to see more pvp updates! Interacting with other crews is what makes this game so interesting, despite how it might sting losing all my loot. The old reaper runner voyages were a great way to encourage pvp, so I wonder if they’d bring those back as voyages for the reapers perhaps?

[@irmiwolf]

for me so far every 'interaction' with other crews was only them instantly opening fire on me, no matter if I just spawned, had just sold or am doing a Tale.

[@Crystan]

@@irmiwolf That's been my experience for at least 90% of all my encounters, but there have been a few exceptions. I once turned my ship to help out an emissary trying to flee a reaper and we sunk him as a combined effort. Ended up forming a nice alliance and making tons of extra gold. That rage though. You'd think someone going out of their way to actively sink ships would at least be a better sport about being sunk themselves.

[@netherwarrior6113]

I named my ashen rag muffin just in case it is the same cat. Who knows, it was probably cursed too

[@k1rkpad]

"Marking reapers on the map was done to allow other emissaries enough time to react" I now eagerly await your video tearing apart server hopping :)

[@AShinyRay]

You have plenty of time to react, watch the horizon and the map.

[@k1rkpad]

@@AShinyRay It just doesn't make sense why reaper emissarys get a huge advantage, by being able to carry emissary progress across servers to use their level 5 flag to scope out other players. Nothing is told to the player in-game to watch out for magically appearing reapers, it basically says "once they get to level 5, they can then see you on the map". Before server hopping, other players got time to see the reaper level up to 5, giving them time to predict *when* you will be spotted. "Crap! They are at level 4! Get ready to be spotted!" Also a couple more thoughts: what's in the lore that says items like flags can be carried through the ferry of the damned? Is there any advantage to bring a level 5 gold hoarder or merchant emissary flag through the portal? Why does this (broken) mechanic only benefit one company?

[@nicolasoliveira4903]

@@k1rkpad Put all Tales in a offline mode with coop, this offline coop mode has only Tales and nothing else, remove all tales from online mode, no more server hopping. And noobs gonna have their place to lern the basics and enjoy tales.

[@crabbybubble3533]

We really do need a new pvp update maybe a bounty hunting system or some new tools hopefully season 8 provides

[@bubblewubble1]

Love the videos!

[@mazisaac]

big cliff the story guy at the end there lol

[@RivetingAdventures]

They should add a “chest of souls”, where it gets more valuable the more ships you sink. It would be a reaper’s chest, and it would be a world event.

[@nils5482]

That wouldn't change PvP. People who like it would like it even more and people who don't like it would either ignore the chest or sell it immediatly

[@BigJinfinity]

Honestly they should never add a reward for sinking random ships It'd just give people a reason to attack ships that don't have any loot on board, i.e. tall talers or fishermen

[@Anti_Social_Bean]

the bone crusher set was from cursed sails btw, not thrones

[@DuDuRAAAAHHH]

Ships of fortune was swell, though a tad bit broken on launch(I think I got like, 20k for voting down emissarry, I don't really remember but it was big) I am still salty about them not adding more company tied clothing and the merchant costume, although the faction is numba 1, that outfit isn't. But still, good vid Ray!

[@AShinyRay]

Thank you!!!

[@TheVivapinsam]

Wooow. I've been playing the last 2 years and always thought reviving was in the game. That's crazy.

[@nickh3205]

It would be nice to see something like reaper quests where you get a location of an NPC crewed ship to fight building up to a skeleton fleet style quest

[@AShinyRay]

Would defeat the point of Reaper's though

[@nickh3205]

I guess, though it would be interesting to have actual non-skeleton/ghost npc ships sailing the seas, it would also help get newer players get better at naval combat

[@Vieworder]

nothing will never feel like arena did

[@magicpyroninja]

I think it would be awesome if some of the islands started to have wild boars on them and killing em get pork but they could fight back unlike the pigs

[@Keelhauler77]

*Laughs in insider menacingly*

[@nomadelectron9997]

Emissaries would be that much better if the regular trading companies paid big money for reaper bones flags. I imagine they would pay a bounty price for emissary flags of a faction that routinely disrupts their operations

[@Gibst69]

As someone who never did arena I’m kinda sad it’s gone because now I can’t go and grind out my pvp skills

[@AntiSora2]

Honestly the revive mechanics are ok as they are now, due to having to cause a shipmate to stop repairing, cannoning, driving, ect. for a moment, leaving them in a spot to also get bombarded, and the less time they focus on you in battle, the better. As well as when you come back, your health is so low that a cannon shot will just down you again unless you eat fast enough,nullifying the advantage of being brought back

[@l_Angell_l]

I think a simple solution for "PvP" updates would be to bring back time limited PvP commendations and voyages, like the reapers runs voyages, black powder stashes, and dark relics. Time limited PvE events, that also encouraged PvP at the same time.

[@melon9933]

I played ships of fortune but I also missed out on the first week where the emissary quests were ABSOLUTELY BUSTED (only og's remember). I was a little sad about it but I am now 75 all so whatever.

[@gtpapex9814]

emissary update definitely doesn’t make u og

[@melon9933]

@@gtpapex9814 it's more og than a large majority of the playerbase though

[@gtpapex9814]

@@melon9933 i doubt it

[@stevenalt]

@@melon9933 you can only call urself og if you're year one

[@reubenknox1382]

They should make pvp coin syistam

[@masynspence3598]

I started when ships of fortune came out

[@asff6653]

Honestly depends on the day got the day one patch and a solo dolo player, there’s time I get one wanting to grind and there’s days I wanna pvp depends on who is doing what server wise

[@TuckHawk]

I mean technically legend of the veil was an indirect PvP update, theirs a reason the tornado exists. But we want more direct PvP updates than indirect. Would love to see a PvP mode without loot chests, just ships and combat, can have similar scoring system just without the chests

[@PellahTheHero]

Ships of Fortune is my favorite update. It is the update that added the most meaningful systems to the core gameplay, tbh it wasn't just about the PvP, it meaningfully changed and improved the game which is something that 90% of the update can't do, most of them just make game larger. Emissary and Ledgers are two systems that players have been interacting with since their release while most of the content is something you just complete and them move on, which is the difference between something that makes the game better and something that just makes it larger. Don't misunderstand me, I think making the game larger is important too, but in SoT case I think there has been a lack of updates like Ships of Fortune that enhanced the overall experience and core gameplay in a meaningful way. I also really enjoyed Arena 2.0 compared to Arena 1.0. Arena 1.0 wasn't really about PvP and had too much RNG, I don't want to go too much in depth but basically were you and the other players decided to go at the start of the game was too impactfull, the player who got lucky and went straight for an island that no one went to were able to dig up chest quickly and without anyone to contest. That part was kinda about luck as you couldn't choose were others go and changing island would sitll put you behind someone who got to an island alone. The issue with Arena 2.0 is that it needed a different balance for Sloops and Galleons, Sloop Arena was almost perfect imo, while Galleon Arena was too much dependent on farming cannonballs and spawnkilling a crew.

[@awesomesource12]

I think arena would be successfully brought back if they just fixed how long it took to get into a game and made it More focused on pvp maybe with some kind of area control and digging up treasure was more used to give your team a advantage in the battle somehow. I also think they should bridge the gap between pve and pvp more with maybe some kind of event or boss that if your playing pve you fight on the bosses side and it gives you a advantage but no loot, but if you try to kill the players helping it and kill the boss you get some of the best loot in the game to make up for the increased challenge

[@Randomlydone111]

I want that hooks like assassin creed black flag to get your ships close to piss people off Edit:sorry for misspeling

[@themangoartificer882]

we need a reaper pirate legend soon

[@AdvSpringBonnie]

Video premiere? That's new.

[@jacobmckeever5358]

the main reason arena failed, was its output, if how you played in the match allowed you to earn more gold, more than just what place you got, people would play it more, it would be pvp oriented, imagine an arena that were hr long matches, that your score was decided by kiling others digging loot turning it in, and your place was determined by how long you were in the match, so crews that got added in later because others had t quit early or chose to quit, you could still rank high for rep. the problem with pvp in the game now, is there is no reward for sinking someone who comes to sink you, unless they have loot on board. and if they have loot on board, it means they made the choice to initiate a fight with it on board. this really doesn't happen. the pvpers you run into on the seas, are the ones who have already turned everything in and have nothing to lose. even sinking a rank 5 reapers isn't worth much as a reward for sinking them. and because they chose when to fight you, you clearly have loot on board. if you sink, you lost not only your emissary progress, but your loot on board and the time it took you to get both. while the initiator, more or less lost the time it took to find you and come after you. an easy way to fix this, would be to increase how much reapers flags cost, substantially, double the price across the board, and on top of that. let you turn in a reaper flag into any emissary turn in and you get that multiplier if you have one.

[@j.s.s.j.7516]

Exactly

[@GrayUr]

BASED

[@S.T.B.MJ24]

when the arena well come back ?

[@AShinyRay]

It's not

[@Thorumsu]

Sadly never. It was a headache for Rare and it was a good choice to close it, as much as I liked it. Rest in peace you *fun* broken mess of a gamemode...

[@jarkiplier]

Sea Dog 47 ✋😔

[@piotr78]

I know people love server hopping as a reaper but I still think it goes directly against their design philosophy in flags of fortune. Time to respond to a reaper leveling up is gone, that was a key feature.

[@IANDURBECK]

Revive is fine as it is

[@AztechHydra]

Ok i respect pvp even participate myself every so often but i will never understand or respect the pvp players who 1.kill people doing tall tales 2. Spawn camp smaller crew's and 3. Sink freshly spawned ships

[@DaRealDirtyTC07]

They need to make PvP slower and Heavier so player interactions are more plentiful and enjoyable, like imagine trying to ransome a ship in this current sea of thieves, I'll do it. you board the sloop knowing full well the enemy has no clue you just hit a sick deck shot and our now on their top deck, you call out in game chat "Your vessel is being ransomed! Lay down and your weapons and come quietly, will take a portion of your loot but no more than needed and leave you be, avoiding the sinking of your fine ship." And while calling out and giving out some fair demands, you've not only given away your location, but you've let them know your ship in one man less, and as soon as you've exclaimed your demands and thought of the Negative impacts of basically telling the other crew your on they're ship and are willing to come to a mutual agreement but are also a man down they've done the sloop ladder trick and have already one blundered you are pissing them selves that someone roleplays on a pirate game. Your other teammate is left to 1v2 a sloop while he was contemplating why we didn't just sink them and had to do this elaborate scheme and anchoring right next to them for a premium loot nabbing experience, in turn not realising you've already died and the other crew is already turning to unleash a flurry of cannonballs on your unsuspecting mate... Verdict? Make the fucking game more slower, enhance and improve on allowing player interactions to follow through and make combat just feel clunky, like Tarkov. This game can really thrive off of really good and cool player interactions, I would make like a thing we're your in the perspective of a crew that's being ransomed or taking hostage but I'm too tired...

[@Jowswansonsjsijshs]

I feel like they might add a better arena mode since why would they delete such a popular mode

[@Tomasu321]

Popular mode? They closed it because in terms of hours spent playing sea of thieves. The Arena contributed around 5% to that stat. It got axed because they could not justify the dev time on something almost no one played. Even tho the mode had avid fans and dedicated players. If anything we just have to hope they took those developers and starts implementing something else that is pvp related :)

[@AShinyRay]

It wasn't popular

[@necroximus]

I wish all of the SOT youtube community hadn’t advertised reapers as the “BEST MONEY MAKING METHOD SEA OF THIEVES 2022”… Plenty of videos I see on this platform explain how to grind world events as reapers but there’s few that actually explain what to do when someone comes after you, hence leading to these people new to the reapers faction not knowing what to do. They show how you can just sail around and make money, talking about how easy it is, but no talks about what to do when people who actually want to fight (iE: me) roll up on them, hence running.

[@Wxyvs-]

We need the 120 fov update if anythigng

[@flyingmonkey1734]

Im confused. Did he mean alliance betfayels were intedended, or that people ahouldnt betray their alliance? Because betraying an alliance makes no sense at all. You get the same amount of money regardless, you have other people passively grinding money for you, and you still get the rep from your sales. Also, why do people not join alliances? It is the most logical course of action for anyone wanting money, because you're likely flying reaper anyway, and they can still see you on the map because, once again, you're likely flying reaper flag anyways

[@ItzFoxUwU]

You only get half the money when in an alliance, plus some items give commendations for stealing the loot

[@flyingmonkey1734]

@@ItzFoxUwU i got the full 10k when trading in a chest of legends, not including the emissary bonus

[@AShinyRay]

Alliances were always designed to be tentative and bettayable

[@Thorumsu]

Did you watch the trailer video of alliances? Cursed sails update video. In it, they SPECIFICALLY say that alliances are a risk VS reward system as your alliance can betray you.

[@flyingmonkey1734]

Maybe yall arent reading my comment. Thank you ray for the clarifacation, but im asking what logical sense it makes to betray an alliance. It is free, passive money that rolls into your account while go you do your own thing. I was also asking why people are reluctant to join them and ypu havent asnwered me that either

[@thekid4182]

Rare need to reward players more for playing as an emissary. It would make playing as a reaper better. Right now, almost all server have 2 maybe 3 emissaries, you down 2, get to reaper 5, only to find out there's no emissary anymore. Either they allow server hoping for reaper or reward emissaries even more, because it's not worth it to hunt non-emissary ship. Give me those sweet emissary flag !

[@mattdylla3225]

I don't like pvp, but I wouldn't mind it at all if the grind to level 50 wasn't so intense. Losing my potential gold sucks, but that feels fair enough. Losing my faction progression is what really stings, though. That makes it feel like my whole play session was a waste of time. Not a good draw for working adults who only get 5-6 hours of playtime per week. (Normally I don't care about that either... but I really want to get Merrick's Coat and sword this season)

[@mountainrogue3448]

Man, Ray. You've really brought the anti pvp crowd out of the wood work.

[@nigelkucera5737]

There have been plenty of anti pvp updates though so thats cool

[@mars6840]

all i want is arena back

[@themightypotato3857]

season 8 cannot come soon enough.

[@AronFigaro]

As far as most people I know would say, Ships of Fortune was the final "release update" for Sea of Thieves, taking the game to what most people would consider 1.0. This game state was what the designers really envisioned, and after its release, SoT's growth started to really take off, as many people called the game "done", and reviews, word of mouth, streamers, etc reflected that. People spoke more positively about the game, as opposed to Sea of Nothing. Now it's just sea of salt, with the no life sweaty grinders and server hoppers both using extensive cheats to feel good about themselves, and us regular pvpers in the middle just longing for a good fight.

[@littleshoes3293]

The emisarry system is probably my favorite mechanic that they've added, i don't do anything in SoT without an emisarry, outside of tall tales and adventures anyway. That being said, i don't really care about PvP nor do i want an update for it. The PvP community in SoT is such a small portion of the playerbase that i don't think it's worth it for them to pander to em. And on a personal level, the combat just isn't good enough for me to care about engaging in PvP shenanigans. I'd much rather get a new trading company or a revamp for the Hunters. Or more Tall tales.

[@shannonrobertson7527]

The last PVP update was removing arena.

[@Mister_Cy]

I need pvp in my veins

[@Critirus]

Would be great to see more pvp updates. Rare would have to stop using the 17hz Azure servers they have been using since pre-release. SoT isn't a very demanding game for a server to run in any form what so ever and it wasn't when the game released. When they say things like we can't do this or that due to limitations that's another one of Rare's lies. Not only have all these solutions existed for years but they are easy to implement in Unreal Engine. More ships, larger map, working projectile gunplay, no server side stuttering, etc. All of these are fixable within a reasonable amount of time except their pride is in the way and they refuse to fix the issues. They need to communicate to Microsoft the servers aren't adequate but that requires someone in Rare's Management to have a backbone.

[@eloryosnak4100]

Just need the fffffffffucking hitreg to be somewhat near what its supposed to be

[@apocalypsedude995]

Sword combat is a jumpy mess, so I mean…

[@stevenzwiesler8085]

before doing anything regarding PvP, rare needs to balance it better and actually fix the issues/exploits that still exist regarding PvP. 1 of the biggest issues I see with PvP currently is the PvP'ers literally have nothing to lose. 1 of the biggest things regarding PvP was risk vs reward. With recent changes (specifically buying supplies) their is zero risk in PvP from the very beginning. their is nothing stopping a ship from going full pvp mode from the moment they set sail and if they sink, they lose absolutely nothing while if you sink you lose everything. this is 1 of the biggest problems right now whether people want to admit that or not. Portal hopping and keeping emissary rank is another thing thats absolutely busted and needs fixed. Going through a portal should drop emissary status. It should act like a sink meaning you lose your emissary rank so that way you wont have grade V reapers portal hopping looking for emissaries. no reason why that should even be a think, you left the server, get punished for leaving the server, end of story. the biggest exploit to this day still being abused is silent boarding. get rid of it rare. until this shit gets fixed, pvp will NEVER be "balanced." even when it is fixed, it still wont be balanced because you still have people abusing the double gun exploit. Giving everyone the same tools does not make it pvp. Yes skill is involved, but it's quickly become less and less about who has the better skill and more about who can out-exploit who better. its far past time to force the sword. whether people want to admit this or not, PvP was FAR FAR better in the beginning. Not because everyone was on a level playing field, but because people had FUN with it. loot actually meant something in pvp battles, where loot means absolutely nothing anymore. you had pvp'ers in the beginning yes, but in the beginning everyone had something to lose as well. you have nothing to lose by going straight for pvp anymore. Plus the plays were so much better than they are now. nowadays everyone does the same shit, the plays are the exact same, their is no creativity anymore. Remember back when GP's didnt have a fuse and you had to manually detonate them? remember when they didnt float up fast and you had to time the release under water hoping it would reach the surface just before the ship hit it? remember having to actually be creative with tucking? tuck emotes were 1 of the WORST things to ever happen to the game, that started removing creativity. I truly believe that rare is selling a completely different game to try and get new players in so they can feed the big pvp streamers fresh meat and keep them happy. Until rare gets their head out of their asses and actually fixes things, no pvp updates need to come to the game unless that same update is going to fix a lot of issues that NEED addressed.

[@mountainrogue3448]

K. L + GIT GUD÷ 🧂 + 🎻

[@irmiwolf]

I think they should finally decide if Reapers should be a PvP faction or just simply the best money farming faction. Reapers being allowed to sell almost everything and still get the bonus is stupid, they should have only given the bonus on stolen loot or just the reaper specific loot. Yes only the reapers specific loot would make it really hard to get a lot of loot, but it would give them a real reason to hunt other emissaries. I am ok with the PvP but I dislike how the reapers are handled, so far 90% of the reapers I met only came for me the moment they had nothing to lose or knew they could win without any risk and the 10% that had something to lose only ran away.

[@shatterfall_hunted8236]

i believe i speak on behalf of any experienced/veteran player,when it comes to pvp "i dont have a problem but if they have a problem then no problem"(yes its a quote from 50 cent) Outside of the joke,The worst part about the game sometimes is how people still cant get over the pvpve mentallity of the game. There is no toxic pvp,you can always bitch out of the engagement and they can always engage on you,you can sink them once and never engage with them again and they can always focus you,you can always protect your loot and they can always steal it All this can happen for you and them. I dont think people get it.Its the sea of the FREE.Outside of good manners to each other there are no rules,pure freeedome. The weak will always live in fear and group up (alliance server mofos you know who you are) and the strong will always do what they please,if they are a problem to you,fight back,if you cant stop complaining,because for every time you get sunk by a sweaty brig there have been 10 times where you were left alone.

[@shippy1001]

Problem is, PvP updates does not bring new players. They slapped Jack Sparrow on SoT and suddenly thousands of people tried the game because of it, a PvP update will only satisfy current players and maybe bring a bit of the hardcore audience but that numbers is small in comparison to a collab or PvE updates, they care for PvP but it`s low on the priority list for now.

[@AShinyRay]

This update brought in loads of players too

[@Crystan]

@@AShinyRay Yes, but it's a bandaid. Bringing players in is one thing, making them stay is another. Too heavy a reliance on PvP means the PvE players will just get tired of becoming prey and leave the game. I've seen it a lot. No one wants their 2-hours of work to be undone just because someone decided to fly the reaper emissary flag, and if they feel like they're not progressing it can ruin the experience. Not everyone enjoys PvP combat, and let's be honest it only ever favours the experienced players anyway. Especially since most of the targets seem to be solo sloopers in my experience.

[@legiongaming99]

nah we just need gameplay updates. They need to put the story on the back burner and start working on this game again I'm already about to leave and play other games again!

[@vonbeaver99]

Mike Chapman is turning this game into a childrens game. They address PvP like it’s a toxic, undesirable side effect of sandbox play. In reality PvP the most exciting part of the game. Sailing around crushing mindless skeleton bots gets old quick. Win or lose, the best fun is a 90 minute tactical fight with another crew

[@AShinyRay]

Famous last words

[@jakeheape8349]

This game is to buggy for pvp tbh

[@TheInfamousJosh]

PVP in Sea of thieves sucks. nothing worse than having all my loots stolen after 2 hours of play. people who PVP only have fun when other people are miserable. I'm convinced PVP players are sociopaths.

[@Thorumsu]

So... What is your wish? For pirates to stop pirating? Also why should someone be "miserable" when their loot is stolen? You can only buy cosmetics with loot.

[@mountainrogue3448]

Boo hoo. 🎻

[@TheDgamesD]

Nah, less PVP stuff the better. I’m looking forward to hopefully more hunters call expansion when Merrick gets back from the tavern. Things of that nature. PVP is just boring and gets in the way of more fun and important things to work on.

[@paulhillbeats]

PvP is not boring, to each their own I guess

[@AShinyRay]

Sounds like a *skill issue* to me

[@Crystan]

​@@AShinyRay Not really. Some people just don't enjoy it. I hear this argument a lot from people who promote PvP, but the reality is that everyone just has different tastes. Not everyone has the same amount of time to dump on the game, and those who only get a few hours don't really want to see it all go to waste at the end thanks to a bored reaper. Yes, I'm aware that's just "how the game is", but from the player's perspective it's still disheartening and doesn't really encourage them to come back much if it happens regularly.

[@yunuda.scarlet]

Why alway complaining about how good was the past ? Why not just be okay with what we have ?

[@AShinyRay]

Because old updates were better and some were worse. Wish I could see the world in black and white. 😂

[@yunuda.scarlet]

@@AShinyRay ho okay, ( im new and happy with the game so that why... )

[@Lee-xm1xk]

😏

[@MattD1892]

I don't like pvp there I said it. I won't give reapers the joy of sinking me I will just sail into the wind (I'm always a solo sloop) and red sea my loot

[@AShinyRay]

Absolute villain

[@Thorumsu]

And they call Flameheart the villian.

[@Asriel947]

Pvp is getting worse on xbox

[@timur22993]

These updates make past content less relevant. Which is a problem, considering that Rare doesn't introduce new content or buff the old content very fast. Combine with PvP being the most obnoxious thing if you are not beyond a certain, rather high, skill threshold, and there's very little to no reason to play the game once you've built your dream ship or gathered your dream clothing set. Game needs PvE content to keep people playing. Enough of it to offset the down you get from getting boned by some sweaty tryhards. I hate to break it to you, guys, but by far not everyone enjoys meeting you. And you yelling "GG" once you bullied someone is not being nice. GG is something that a side that lost has to exclaim first, otherwise you are simply rubbing it into someone's face, that you enjoyed ruining their day very much. It's the textbook definition of toxic, except never listed as such anywhere. Dealing with that, or worse on a daily basis, while having only few things to actually do in the game is not a recipe for wanting to stay in the game. PvP in fact needs to be nerfed. Specifically the server hopping. Supplies should not be on sale, if you want to PvP someone, spend some time on the god damned server. Then, if server is dead, portal hop somewhere else. I have no issue with reaper 5s appearing randomly on a map, if I know they had to spend at least some time playing elsewhere, then possibly spending half an hour to search 4 servers. What I do have a problem with is a crew that spend one minute on the server dashing towards me filled with supplies of best quality.

[@AShinyRay]

No

[@timur22993]

@@AShinyRay Ofc. The great fear of all PvPers. Having to actually prepare.

[@Crystan]

Portal hopping needs to be removed, or at least to discard emissary status on jump so that it can't be abused. Players running emissary missions shouldn't have to deal with a rank 5 emissary popping up out of the blue and immediately hunting them down. The risk/reward needs to go BOTH ways, not just in favour of PvP.

[@timur22993]

@@Crystan Okay, but then reaper emissaries will have to be invisible on the map. Because people simply stop using flags when they see one.

[@mountainrogue3448]

@@Crystan 🧂

[@Motolmang]

"We need an update geared towards PVP!" you got arena then you lost that chance by showing you're in the minority and not playing it.

[@Thorumsu]

Arena failed because it was not what this game was about. A PVPVE game. Arena ONLY had PVP. People just played it, got all the cosmetics and left. Because arena was PURE PVP. There was no need to return other than to practise canon shots. It did not have any planning, strategy or even loot to gain. No sneaking, nothing. Just 5 ships of the same size thrown into a small arena to fight. We need PVP content for the sandbox, not just a PURE PVP thing.

[@realname2490]

Pvp is trash in this game I say get rid of it all together I don't even play anymore cause trying to do anything other than not invest time in questing is a complete waste of time as 30 mins into playing my sessions are ruined by bored vets who think the way they play is suppose to be the only way everyone plays the real reason pvp players don't want a pve server mode is cause they know most of us would play it instead it's just more fun to not waste hours on any game the full loot pvp crowd is the minority in all games Noone likes wasting time and that's all this game feels like most times

[@AShinyRay]

Please stop playing this game if you can't handle PVP.

[@BrookieMacc]

They should add more checkpoint saves for Tall Tales or punish people for sinking ships if they have nothing on it cause I’m tired of Reapers purposely sinking me when I literally have nothing. I never give them the satisfaction of a fight either, no cannons or shots fired. Just let me do my Tall Tales in peace please I spend 2 hours in gathering this Tall Tale bullshit just to get bullied by sweats sailing a galleon on my measly no emissary solo sloop🥲

[@mountainrogue3448]

No

[@BrookieMacc]

@@mountainrogue3448 then you are one of these Reaper bullies for they are the only ones I’ve seen disagree on this lol Or you don’t know the absolute struggle of grinding Gold Curse and getting shit on by other crews like the majority of Tall Talers go through.

[@mountainrogue3448]

@@BrookieMacc k

[@mountainrogue3448]

@@BrookieMacc tools not rules. You play how you want. I play how I want

[@BrookieMacc]

@@mountainrogue3448 And my point still stands. You are a bully to others who try and enjoy the game the way it’s supposed to be enjoyed and you CHOOSE to take advantage and disregard the feelings of others. You also defy the logic of the game, in the sense that you literally gain no benefit to sinking players with absolutely nothing except the satisfaction and comfort that you were in control. Yes it’s not a rule that you can’t sink or attack players on a Tall Tale who have nothing for you to steal or fight, doesn’t change the fact it’s looked down upon on the community because it ruins the fun for others. Apply this to everyday life, it’s not a rule that you can’t make fun of someone, be a bad sport and ruin their fun in a game, but you are still looked down upon in the community and will be shunned by the general population. No one will want to be around you except other bullies because you are negative and spread negativity. All in all my point still stands and you’ve confirmed it, you’re part of the toxic side of the community and you clearly enjoy being toxic. You don’t have empathy for others and therefor don’t care what you do to others as long as you get that satisfaction in ruining their day. One day you will be placed in someone else’s shoes that you’ve wronged and you’ll get a rude awakening, or none at all and you’ll stay the same, unwanted bully that everyone avoids.

[@Asriel947]

Pvp is getting worse on xbox