The Quest for the Historical Jesus

[@dynamic9016]

Very insightful video.

[@lukedurham8212]

Dr Fuller you have an open mind sir

[@AB-rh5yq]

I really appreciate biblical scholars/historians (especially Bart Ehrman). It is humbling to have your pre-decided views on Jesus/the church challenged because it shows that we don’t “know everything”. God exists beyond our perception, and it’s simply an act of the ego that we decide we know everything and can’t be wrong. Our relationships with God continue to evolve as we grow and learn … both morally, spiritually, and historically.

[@RottenDoctorGonzo]

Greetings from England. Christ is the gift that keeps on giving

[@johnyannelli2480]

Bishop, will u discuss the Shroud of Turin?

[@victorshollenberger2397]

These two brought me back to the church. I can't love them enough for my return.♥️

[@DS-lx7tf]

Really appreciate the discussion in this video. Gotta admit, drove me nuts how Brandon kept saying that the "First Quest" lasted from the late eighteen century to the early NINETEENTH century (even after Bishop Barron interjected and offered correction on this 8:49).

[@Philip-uy3bx]

Showing the synthesizing of science & theoloogy

[@Philip-uy3bx]

Should the the USCCB consider getting the Vatican to permit a tour of the US of the SHROUD OF TURIN???

[@annette4660]

This is such a high level of theological education. I feel so blessed to be able to partake! Thank you Bishop Barron and Brandon.

[@lourdesdelapena1852]

🙏🏻❤️🙏🏻

[@marianebravo8701]

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[@jeannettedegoede3407]

Word on Fire has answered many questions that I wondered about. The one question was in the Apostle's Creed, where is states "He descended into hell " I could n't imagine Our Lord in hell. Many of my 80 years I wondered about this sentence, and 'Bishop Barron brought clarity to this question in one of his talks. I would also thank Bishop Barron for the daily Mass I watch each day .

[@westerncivilsation7514]

I also enjoy Brandon and Bishop Barron's conversations. This is one of the best. And Brendon is so well educated and such a great scholarly counterpart to Bishop Baron

[@Philip-uy3bx]

A " scattering" of valid methods

[@francesbernard2445]

I like this. This sermon favors no one past or present when pointing out that turning Jesus into only just another historical figure prophet like Isaiha and Elisha is an error; Saying that Jesus Christ is only one among many more prophets still to come in the future or only 2 more witnesses needed for the world to be saved is so very problematic.

[@Philip-uy3bx]

Indeed the CCB's of every country?

[@majorfrank1167]

So what does "was in the beginning is now and ever will be" mean.

[@lesgraham6602]

I am proud to be a Catholic. By not being able to have Communion I really realise what I am missing out on. People will flock back to the Churches in greater numbers once the COVID-19 virus is over. We love Jesus. Amen.

[@LostArchivist]

@@JamesRichardWiley You are a person imagined by Jesus actually.

[@LostArchivist]

@@JamesRichardWiley Eitherway metaphysics aside, He was a historical person.

[@jeffrinsaju]

@@JamesRichardWiley His historical existence is undisputed by scholars

[@moldenhaver]

@@JamesRichardWiley Study shroud of Turin - its history, its impact on art how "imaginary person radiated his image into that cloth"

[@davidlara993]

@@JamesRichardWiley You need to study history much more thoroughly before making such claims, which are not only against any minimal critic, but which, itself, is a fallacy.

[@villiestephanov984]

I love You, Father Barron. I realy, realy do.

[@j.k.6865]

@Mountaindew the irony is that it's YOU who should learn UNBIASED history away from lies and propaganda.

[@dr.timothyfuller8763]

I am a protestant but love listening to him. I just wish my vocabulary was as intricate as his.

[@larrylim8050]

You might also be interested and amused with the thought that considering the Catholic church chose from around 25k manuscripts of the new testament and declared with authority which manuscripts and books are divinely inspired. Then in the 1500s the reformation started. They should've had their own selection of manuscripts and books and not use the one the Catholic church declared are the true scriptures. Or else it shows they accept the Catholic Church's God given authority to declare truths. God bless you. I see you as a true brother, in Christ. This sharing is with brotherly love. Respectfully.... Larry

[@dr.timothyfuller8763]

@@larrylim8050 thanks bro. I am now in the process of deconstructing a lot of reformed theology. I am not sure that the theological and soteriological divide is as big as it was made out to be

[@marysmith7076]

Me too!

[@ultro6904]

29:45

[@victorshollenberger2397]

Can you give us the spelling of the german redactor vocabulary you used?

[@evelynmacgillivray-chow643]

Bishop Barron, I've been following you for years! You make the complex clear, thank you for that gift you have. I'm Praying for Mother Church, and her Bishops, Priests , Deacons, and Laity for more honest Holy Messengers like yourself. God bless you in Fighting The Good Fight. ❤️🙏❤️

[@marypinakat8594]

@@JamesRichardWiley While Faith is a gift from God, the means to receiving it can be many and varied; the Church exists to spread the Faith through means inspired by the Holy Spirit. History has proved it consistently and will continue to do so.

[@praxidescenteno3233]

I know i can't see it at the hour but then i hope to listen. Thank You to God! Thank You Mommy Mary! God bless all! God loves us! Ever 😇😇😇 Thank You so much to all Saints

[@Thomas-dw1nb]

I think I'm a little confused about Bishop Barons response to the question about Jesus walking on water. Does he believe it was a real historical event where Jesus literally walked on water? Or, does he believe it more a metaphorical literary device meant to emphasize who Jesus was?

[@w08833]

I guess the Bishop's Bible doesn't include Jude (v. 3) or Revelation (22:18,19)

[@robertosanchez4021]

Thank you... what a great show, always great to listen to Bishop Barron...

[@Philip-uy3bx]

Despite some of it's intellectual figures

[@vulgarresponse7080]

Greetings and best wishes from an Anglican.

[@billrussell569]

Thank you!

[@faithbooks7906]

So interesting. I keep hearing about N. T. Wright. I'm going to have to start reading him. Thanks for this topic and discussion.

[@nicolemerrill7826]

I enjoy listening to Bishop Barron's explanations to the plethora of questions on so many aspects of our faith, which over the years continues to affirm my own faith

[@barbzorn4002]

This WOF show opened up a new world of dialog on the Historical Jesus. I was fascinated and intrigued by the depth of this study I had not encountered as a lifelong Catholic. Once again, thank you Bishop Barron.

[@margarethhuapcent1270]

Thank you Mommy Mary! Thank you to God! Thank you Bishop Barron!😇😇😇👼

[@Philip-uy3bx]

There ARE some descent folks living in Germany yet.

[@alexrubio8631]

How to present Jesus in this era of gadgets to children?

[@patriciascarborough2660]

Always terrific conversations which challenge and inform. I have some reading to do! Thank you Word On Fire.

[@jenishimizu1973]

Academia, the place where this conversation around 'who is the historic Jesus, the man?' proliferates. As my now-grown son, whose professor criticized him for writing a sermon instead of a scholarly piece, asked me many years ago, 'Mom, how can you separate Jesus Christ from his divinity?' You can't, my son, ever.

[@michelecostello5691]

Thank you Bishop Barron for "holding down the fort" during this troubling time in the whole world. And Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger said "Histo-critical exegeis is passing away." Alleluia!

[@moldenhaver]

It is fascinating how many physical objects used by Jesus were preserved and how important they were for early believers - shroud, sudarion, gral, titulus damnationis, nails, tunic of Argenteuil etc . All traced to 1st century and how much ire of skeptics they generate who feel so threatened by mere possibility of his existence.

[@WmThomasSherman]

Whether or not it is the right or proper thing to do (by whatever standard), people will see Jesus, whether rightly or mistakenly, as they choose to see him. This is simply an ineluctable and undeniable practical matter of fact; since people as individuals can't but have their own criteria for and interpretation of what they believe to be the truth.

[@annabelleyenna7855]

Dear Bishop, I just had a passionate discussion with a priest friend about the Apostles roll by following the admonition of Jesus to go forth to whole world and spread the Good News. During this pandemic, I’m questioning the lack of courage of the worlds Bishops and Priests who are being lead to the slaughter by closing the churches, refusing Mass and Communion to God’s people and following the dictates of governments. I’m soooo disappointed that the creative minds have not moved to find a way to be bold, have the strength and courage like the Apostles of old.

[@Philip-uy3bx]

Logy

[@wellnessgirl2806]

PLEASE I implore the WOF team to put up a more suitable video backdrop for the Bishop. Blue screen is so cold and lacking in feeling and detracts from the warmth and tone of his work.

[@praizejesus5772]

I wish I had a little chapel in my home.

[@richardsasso8043]

You may not like or agree with him, but the work of John Dominic Crossan revolutionized my Faith. It made me realize that Resurrection and Salvation weren’t static events in the past but rather processes that I can participate in today. He taught me “hope is not optimism.” This Easter season I often meditate in these simple sentences: “Emmaus never happened. Emmaus always happens.” That was worth of month of Sunday homilies.

[@richardsasso8043]

Qwerty Well, I did need him for that. Others are on their own journey. I respect their paths.

[@richardsasso8043]

@Qwerty Oh dear friend, I left Roman Catholicism a long time ago for a million other reasons.

[@susankipper3769]

Bishop Barron, I respectfully beg you to start to pray for our enemies during the prayers of the faithful.

[@marypinakat8594]

LOVE your enemies and you have none.

[@dayman7061]

Mary Pinakat ?

[@Melissa-us4zk]

You ARE great Bishop! Also I heard you mention Brant Pitre. I am a huge fan of his. I highly recommend people watch Dr. Pitre’s KZbin videos and read his books in addition to all of the Word of Fire content. 🙌🏽🔥🙏🏽

[@ka-trip574]

Thank for this. It's enlightening .

[@stephenshoda3624]

This is another discussion rich in the beauty of the Catholic intellectual tradition. What Bishop Barron shares about methods starting out astounding everyone and quickly devolving is instructive. It seems the Western Academic culture has become enamored with analytically dismantling topics, but then often failing to bring the deconstruction back together as a whole. It seems to be about breaking ideas (words) down to the point they become sterile, particularly if they had held a religious or moral element. Look at what words like Charismatic, Love, and Virtue used to mean and how the meanings have shifted. So, Bravo! for encouraging us to keep focus on what is the whole, especially in our encounter with Jesus, both God and man.

[@bemusedatheist5706]

If you want to bring up the quest for the historical jesus. What do you say about aspects of Christianity such as Easter and Christmas clearly being taken from older pagan traditions, as well as many elements of the Old and New Testament?

[@boogiman14]

Save Me it’s not and been disproved many times over

[@boogiman14]

Bobbie C do you think you’re the first person person to bring up the epic of Gilgamesh ? Did you think that was really intelligent and groundbreaking ? If there was a massive global flood doesn’t it make sense that multiple cultures would take record of it? That sounds like a positive not a negative None of the great flood accounts are written first person they all describe an account of something that happened before them

[@boogiman14]

Bobbie C I find it weird that when the Bible describes things there are no other accounts for people say well they can’t be real if no one else talks about it but when there are other accounts it’s just another made up story. I wish people would make up their minds

[@boogiman14]

Bobbie C lol I grow tired of the same “intelligent “ ground breaking insight. The Bible is not a science text book neither does it explicitly make a claim to Noah’s age. Son of in the Bible refers to lineage not just direct offspring. All the great flood stories refer to a past event none of them talk in first person so your claims of one copying another sound stupid. In any other historical context multiple cultures describing the same events is a positive marker of the story being credible nota negative you just gave a Supernatural prejudice

[@robmessenger6895]

Can Jesus walk on water? Well everything in Creation was made by him - starting with the big bang designed in such an exquisite, finely tuned manner to bring about the creation of human life, consciousness and love ... from nothing, then hot matter and light.. So momentarily taking charge of the physical laws of this world - and walking on water, prior to conquering death and resurrecting from the grave ... and ascending to Heaven ... would have been a walk in the park for Christ .. or rather ..in the sea of Galilee !

[@kimberlidetrick404]

I always see your shows a week or 2 after your broadcasting. But it continues to deliver the messages Jesus wants you to deliver. I praise God for you and Word on Fire. Truely instruments of God!

[@wimvanackooij2594]

Pope Benedict's Opera Omnia on Jesus is really a must read. I would strongly recommend it !

[@tomgreene6579]

It is indeed...and his book on Christianity also great , but needs a slow digestion! The promotion of adult faith learning is so necessary -and often so poorly promoted.

[@blanejnasveschuk6351]

Recently finished Brant Pitre regarding Blessed Virgin Mary. Motivated by your comments to understand more fully about Jesus’s life through Pope Benedict’s comments. Thank you for this discussion about perspective and frames of reference.

[@danteallgebra1803]

Thank you for your wisdom. Bishop Barron. 🙏👍

[@Coco2345ful]

Fascinating to hear...mindbogli ng to me .Amazed that God has blessed so many with such religiouds inderstanding!

[@janemurillo4235]

I love your wonderful program, I love bishop Barron's talks. Inspirational!!

[@jerryg3524]

Thanks for such a beautiful video, such a deep and comprehensive survey of the different schools & literature on the historical Jesus by BB. And Brandon is such a scholarly interviewer, always asking relevant & intelligent questions, amazing!

[@stephensinclair3771]

Hope all are ok. Bless you all

[@nickberry1010]

Thank you Bishop and Brandon. This is a great review of a sometimes overwhelming topic. I have crawled through three volumes of Fr. John P. Meier's A Marginal Jew, learned a lot, but was struck by the many events his criteria for historicity eliminate, events that Pope Benedict XVI's brief three volume series you mention affirms. I concluded that Fr. Meier's criteria are too restrictive; you can be sure that what they let through is probably historical, but you can't be sure what they eliminate aren't historical. Thank you again.

[@francissweeney7318]

Catholics changed the gospel preached by Jesus and Paul and all of Jesus's original Apostles. Paul in Galations 1:8 said " If anyone preaches any other gospel than the one we preached to you, let them be accursed." Paul prophesied the gospel changing preaching primarily catholics, but others as well. " Let them be accursed." Jesus cares about His gospel, the catholic church ignores Him, with their anti christ excuses.

[@danielgalvez7953]

36:26 the key point of the vid.

[@thebadcellist]

These are not just softball questions, these are billowy fluffs of cotton candy. I would like to see the Bishop challenged on some of these howlers, respectfully of course. He either mischaracterizes arguments or doesn't address them.

[@adrianwee7245]

Fascinating! Thanks for the overview and the answer to the question at the end was spot on. The supernatural things that happen in the Bible do not happen just because. There are deep theological roots and historical build up, leading up to them. In a small way, like the daily miracles that occur in our lives....

[@paulfaigl8329]

People like Barron have apparently never experienced anything. They walk through life and miss the main issues...which is: the multiple mysteries around us. Presence of God. Holy Angels who guide us. Barron wouldn't have any of it...all are imaginations of stupid uneducated people...no wonder the Church is now in such a mess.

[@jessenewman6738]

Hi from San Diego good hear this discussion, I appreciate bishop Barron he has done his homework & helps us dive deep into important church fathers & teachings

[@daniellloyd1923]

Dr Ben Witherington has a good book called the Gospel of Jesus. His book looks at all 4 gospels written in the historical context of 1st century Judea and the Roman Empire.

[@seniabulacan3096]

I really love all his talks for it so richly simple and easy to understand

[@user-wr4sl8vo8m]

Careful. Theatrical-ism (?)

[@chemsley55]

I love these Word on Fire shows! Bishop Barron always brings such scholarship and insight to the subjects discussed. Thank you!

[@johnmartin4650]

Thank You

[@miriamb2656]

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[@janinelinh]

THANK YOU! GOD BLESS YOU

[@ambu6478]

Thank you Bishop Barron for always presenting us with wonderful information concerning our faith and it's history. It's a pleasure listening to your videos!

[@OrigenisAdamantios]

Χριστὸς ἀνέστη!

[@donstevenson2237]

An excellent explanation of a long-controversial issue. Bishop Baron discusses everything from Jefferson's redacted Bible (to remove all miracles) to the present day, and in particular how the modern view comes together in Pope Benedict XVI's series about Jesus. Highly recommend!

[@billiecrotty3798]

So logical! Thank you!

[@gloriavaldez3754]

I love listening to Bishop Barron He makes complex issues easy to understand and very inspiring. May God love you

[@ramirreyes6414]

Bishop Barron' talks always have a lot for us to think about however, pardon me if I may say that some very important points were not covered on this video. Maybe those can be covered on another video? While this is a compelling assertion of the intellectual and academic lens that scholars and experts have used to try and "see" the historical Jesus, something does not connect for me because it kinda misses out on the supernatural.The Apostles were willing to risk their lives on the line because well, they have seen the resurrected Christ. Regarding the question at the end, it was a good analogy but I find it very insufficient. Can we just simplify it and bluntly say Jesus truly walked on water because He is God? The Apostles left with the only boat, leaving behind Jesus and when He caught up with them in the middle of the lake, walking on water, they were so fearful, like seeing a ghost. It was a miracle, simply put and when Jesus said "It is I", He is simply stating His divinity. The answer that I heard seems to not mention a miracle as what they said Jefferson did by erasing miracle accounts in his Bible.

[@georgeghleung]

Can someone explain what he meant by "bracketing history"?

[@andreassmith7773]

By "bracketing history" he means suspending judgement on historical questions, in this case the existence and nature of Christ, almost as if the essence of Christ's teaching can be understood independently of His existence. The term "bracketing" became prominent through the phenomenological philosophy of Edmund Husserl, in which Husserl studied the essence of our conscious awareness of ideas, things and states, without though coming to a conclusion about the existence of the objects of these ideas, etc. This method is rich insofar as it allows us to study the forms of life in general, but limited in that it gives us no path to asserting the ultimate truth or falsity of our thoughts. I'm no expert, but that's how I see it.

[@dougdedalus]

8:43 describes why this is just a matter of a person deciding to believe or not. It really doesn't make any difference. If you want to believe: Believe. If you don't want to believe: Don't believe. It is all the same.

[@BishopBarron]

Absolutely not! The credibility of one's faith can and should be tested on historical grounds.

[@dougdedalus]

@@BishopBarron I apologize, Monsignor, I don't mean any disrespect, but you said it yourself, and if we cannot have any unbiased depiction of the historical Jesus, we need to opt for the faith. Nonbelievers won't be convinced by this, no matter how hard we try. I choose to believe.

[@rjpajaron]

In search for Historical Jesus by Albert Schweitzer. I read a little on this in my early college. But was driven instead of "In search of Jesus by faith". There was a reason by Jesus or maybe Mary, none of the early Christian writers to left out 12 years of Jesus and glaringly few about Mary and Joseph family life. Anyway, looking forward to this. Been on IT for so long... need to see fresh lights on Jesus.

[@spunkyman3512]

Why would twelve apostles go out and preach to a hostile world. With eleven of the twelve suffering horrible deaths. Why would this have happened, if not for them being with God. To me, it is obvious that Jesus came down.

[@tomgnau]

Really nice distillation of some of the very well placed historical points the bishop has been making for years.

[@johnsullivan5504]

Great show - full of thorough scholarship and well explained

[@rosixrincones6171]

Hello. Is it possible to interview or discuss the theologian Dr. Elizabeth Johnson's book Truly Our Sister? It could be related to this episode.

[@clubtrplarrygamboa1847]

Greetings Bishop Barron from Manila Philippines. The daily Word on Fire masses from your chapel are a hugh blessing during this lent and Easter Season. Please keep on airing as Covid Lockdown keeps us from going to our local parish church St Jerome Parish in Ayala Alabang Metro Manila. Want to have ClubTRP Coach entrepreneurs commit to becoming Word on Fire Evangelists who support your ministry. Peg is "Examen and Entrepreneurship" Word on Fire training videos fall on the "Examen" Side. On Entrepreneurship I lean on Product Launch Formula of Jeff Walker to become a digital Entrepreneur. I become an OFW- an Online Filipino Worker. Just as I launch my ClubTRPCoach Seminar--Online and Live. Pray for this work Bishop Barron.

[@eatingchaos]

Absolute gold. You did in forty minutes what it takes me to do in an hour and a half each semester. Many thanks.

[@texasgiants]

Not sure if it's out of topic but can Bishop Barron discuss the Nag Hammadi Scriptures? Thanks.

[@frthomasonabe]

I love everything about your talk

[@adamhovey407]

The Christ of faith is the Christ of History. By the way, I like Mark and everything, but I am skeptical of Markan priority. Most of the reasons people give for Mark being the first gospel, is because it's the shortest. I'm also not buying the extremely late dates for the writings of the Gospels.

[@buzzlumberjack]

No, it's mostly because Matthew and Luke copy Mark almost word for word a lot of the time and not vice versa. In fact, there is no indication of other Gospels influencing Mark.

[@marypinakat8594]

@@JamesRichardWiley *'Perfect'* doesn't exist under the sun.

[@marypinakat8594]

Adam Hovey, What do you think is the reason for Mark's Gospel being SHORT?

[@elisabethseaton6521]

I recently acquired the book of the same title by Albert Schweitzer. So grateful for this subject matter. BTW the book is not an easy read

[@tomgreene6579]

Many such books are not easy to read . Have not read A S but have heard much in his praise.(0ld Irish Theology student!)

[@isaihisaih2024]

wow those words are so full of deep meaning in a very short dialogue about Jesus. 😊👍 this quarantine with coronavirus has keep me watching your beautiful meaningful catholic youtube videos👍😊 i learned so much..thank you 👍😊

[@77crystalclear]

Is it permitted to participate to a Latin Mass and receive Holy Communion, during the time our Churches are closed ?

[@Peteraddavideo]

I love Jesus Christ, If only I had been born at the same time. I often reflect on how Jesus did physical work before he became an academic. I'll settle for being born at the time of Bishop Robert Baron.

[@tomgreene6579]

W O F is such a great resource and so poorly promoted at parish level.

[@lesgraham6602]

The Parish’s can’t be aware of available teaching or coaching or resources to better enlighten the Parishioners At times it us up to the lay person, that’s us, you and me to initiate the discussion and make efforts such as talking to the Priest to agree that the material so that it can be better communicated.

[@cyndephillipshohbein8232]

What do you mean by the numbered Quests, please?

[@dianaortiz784]

The Diocese of Las Cruces is celebrating masses in their parking lots. It is working for them. Perhaps more Dioceses need to think outside the box. Televised mass is not the same. 🙏🏻☹️

[@ghostriders_1]

4:00 The Creeds, they are very interesting & revealing. Look closely at Paul's Creed you'll notice 2 very strange things. 1: He invokes no evidence or eyewitnesses for believing just scripture. 2: None of the specific historical details first introduced by Mark are there, no Baptist, no Mary & no Pilate. Skip past Paul, the Jewish War 66-70CE & Mark's composition to the time of Ignatius, say 110CE + and what do you find in the Creed? Suddenly it's important to assert belief in historical detail ie Mary & Pilate. If you truly want to objectively examine the historicity of Jesus there are 2 books you must read to balance academic assumptions. 1: Jesus; neither God nor Man by Earl Doherty. 2: On the Historicity of Jesus by Dr Richard Carrier PhD. Amen.

[@kathyandlee]

I hope you are right about Catholics flocking back to church; however, reminds me of the wave of patriotism after 9:11. How long did that feeling last? The feelings have to converted to a dynamic change in the person. Sure, the Catholics who were daily or weekly attenders will go back. Will new attendees emerge?

[@marypinakat8594]

Don't be over preoccupied with such things.

[@valeriefoltz9801]

Kathryn Foley pray for conversion with love and then yes new attendees will come. Truth is attractive

[@pdrsan993]

Bart Ehrman

[@genekelly8467]

Very wordy, but fails to answer these questions: (1) are the Gospels accurate? (2) Have the Gospels been altered since their writing (ca. 45 AD)? (3) St. Paul says that "we see through a glass, darkly" at this time-what has been obscured? I am still puzzled.

[@paulgregg3514]

The commentator presents relevant and poignant summaries of the topic at hand which in this case is the Historical Jesus. The listener is prepared to hear the scholarship of Fr. Barron who is obviously so well educated in Catholic Theology and the scriptures. Non Catholics can benefit in listening to the presentations of these podcasts because they clarify history, contemporary criticism of christianity, and names writers and works we can look up to enrich our own education.

[@johnmartin4650]

The churches should never be closed again . A panicky government has no right to stop religious practices .