The racing pedigree of stock car Camaros at Le Mans

[@stijnpaspont]

Here's some extra fun info i just recieved after dennis frings (the man who built the stratagraph camaros) got into contact with me. First up: a correction. The le mans camaro chassis was in fact based on a pavement/ashpalt oval chassis so me calling it based on a dirt chassis was a bit of a stretch. Oops. At least oval racing pedigree stays. Billy hagan first asked a NASCAR chassis builder to make him a car he'd then aim to take to le mans. But after just one test race he parked it and never raced that car again. It just wasnt good enough. Enter dennis frings who then ended up building 3 cars for him which were alot more competitive as you can see from the video. the gen 3 camaro would only be sold starting from spring 1982. But Dennis Frings already got his hands on the body panels in 1981 thanks to billy hagans chevy connections. So they had a gen 3 camaro race car before the road car was even out yet Do check out the facebook link in the description that will take you to more frings related race cars and their interesting history.

[@thierry726]

Thank you for all those details . Here are my 1982 footage about the Camaro n0 81 in Le Mans 😊 kzbin.info/www/bejne/lWfQfIWqjpuoobMsi=0Qu6X-hSTCbWqYQ0

[@MrBeefMissile]

The thing that blows my mind is how the second LeMans Camaro was clocking 220+ on the straights, alongside the usage of D R U M B R A K E S

[@Where_is_Waldo]

I had to do a double take when I heard him say that. "Drum brakes?! Really?! What were they thinking?"

[@fxui]

Real Men

[@ItsDaJax]

I'm wondering if it had vented drums. Those were starting to be a thing as rear disc brakes were starting to come around. As horsepower started getting higher, somebody started putting out drum hats that were slotted to better cool and release generated gasses, and water.

[@kosmokat111]

@@fxui real stupid more like, if you have better brakes why not use them in a LE MANS CAR

[@c2jones]

Ironically, the Cadillac CT5 Blackwings have steel, vs carbon brakes. They insist that wasn't for cost-saving. It was because there was no drop-off in performance.

[@Sideshowleon]

Love hearing racing history that doesn't involve f1 10/10

[@leomux2004]

Same!

[@clemens.j]

I love how you casualy mention that the Camaros ran drum brakes in '81. xD

[@stijnpaspont]

As casual as they thought about it. "We got 600+ horsepower in a 1000kg car going 300+kph. Naah drum brakes will do"

[@divecolosio4988]

"Lol, it's just brakes, right? Ya know just step on it steadily but all the way down, what you think could go wrong?" :v

[@AtZero138]

Braking force and surface area.. are great..... Repeated requests... That's the Fail point of Drum Brakes... Fade..

[@JK7kaye]

That car looks insane, would love to see it in a sim.

[@jetengnexd4348]

I wish we could still see cars like this race at Le Mans, but the WEC is dead set on keeping the GT class all samey.

[@stijnpaspont]

When gt3 cars replace the GTE class cars next year we should see a new wider variety of cars. I for one cant wait for the mustang gt3.

[@cco53587]

A lot of the issue is cost. In my opinion, GT3's success comes from balancing cost-effectiveness with still being one of the few classes today where OEMs can bring recognizable and different cars with engines and bodies of their own design, instead of building to a template or using a spec design. I do agree that sports car racing should have more room for experimental cars, but it's going to be tough balancing big GT3 and Hypercar fields with that.

[@kierenboimufc5940]

This will be good for all privateers and and racing championships. Having a chance to bring there GT3 to lemans just wish bentley would have stayed it would have done good here

[@Tiptoetherat]

Milwaukee man here, I want to say thankyou for all the information and how in depth you went on this video. To this day you can still find Frings chassis cars racing locally at Road America and doing very well. Thankyou for giving credit to what this team was able to do, you have a new subscriber in me ;-)

[@TorvakMOS]

I enjoyed the video, thanks for making it! For those wondering about the music, it's: Sortie 1 - Ace Combat Zero Briefing 2 - Ace Combat 5

[@Malachi_Marx]

I grew up in the American South watching NASCAR, late models and modifieds. As a kid, my mom would take me to tracks like Darlington SC, North Wilksboro, Bristol Speedway (Aka, the "Colosseum,") then insanity that is Bowman Grey Stadium and even twice to Daytona. It was during the first of those two trips to Daytona that I had an eye opening moment. See, the real reason we would travel was it let my mom spend a few weeks with her family at a time, which meant in the year 2000 we got down to Daytona a few weeks early and my uncle got me tickets to see the Rolex 24. I spend the whole race in the infield where he parked his camper and it was a mind blowing experience for a 11 year old kid, plus watching a Viper take the overall win? Magical. Since then, I've consumed all forms of motorsport I can, even motorcycle ice racing. Seeing a NASCAR Camaro (even if heavily modified) go to Le Mans? That was something I would imagine as a kid all the time... I can't wait!

[@AtZero138]

Cheers from Southern California 🇺🇸... I grew up watching NASCAR... My own thing...no support from family or friends hahaha.. just me... Indy Car also... At 50 now... I just like Racing.... Always will .. Your story and life... WOW.. amazing... We that know, just know...

[@cjb-ip1ok]

Love your stuff! The collection of footage and in-depth information is amazing, each video is a joy to watch.

[@thierry726]

Do you know those 1982 footage with the N0 81 ? kzbin.info/www/bejne/lWfQfIWqjpuoobMsi=0Qu6X-hSTCbWqYQ0

[@wroomwroomboy123]

Continue the production! Love your stuff!!

[@SMlFFY85]

WTF possessed them to fit drum brakes to a 220 MPH purpose built Le Mans race car? This was 1981!!!

[@johncarl5505]

As with all things in life, money.

[@milfordh.mercado2787]

Oh don't worry we can make it.

[@borismcfinnigan3430]

@@johncarl5505 Doubt it. Even here in Australia the Camaro group C racers had rear discs by '81.

[@themuckler8176]

Big balls

[@lanternsown3525]

I had no idea Cale or a Camaro raced at Le Mans you learn something new everyday.

[@charlesanzalone5846]

They made him take a physical to make sure he was in good shape to race at lemans 😂

[@thierry726]

Personal footage le mans82 ...Camaro n0 81 😊 kzbin.info/www/bejne/lWfQfIWqjpuoobMsi=0Qu6X-hSTCbWqYQ0

[@christopherc7075]

I love the sourcing of high-quality footage for this. It looks like you even used a bit of Japanese footage at one point at around 5:57 !

[@papapalpatine5735]

Completely loving your videos, sir! Can't count how many times I've re-watched them. Would love to see another video expanding on the homologation specials covering cars not listed in the first video ❤️

[@landonmurray3814]

Dirt racing is still one of my favorite motorsports Feels so much different than everything else and is such a feel it out style

[@deepinthewoods8078]

Very interesting video. Despite knowing the Corvette of Henri Greder and Marie-Claude Beaumont, i had never heard of this Camaro ...

[@stijnpaspont]

Same here, pretty much every video i make starts out with me going "ooh, what's this?" There's a decent amount of stuff i know off, but only on surface level. Once you start digging around it always gets better. It's like a treasure hunt.

[@thierry726]

Here is my personal footage during le Mans 82 focusing on Chevy Camaro n0 81 😊 kzbin.info/www/bejne/lWfQfIWqjpuoobMsi=0Qu6X-hSTCbWqYQ0

[@modelrestorations]

Great content and video! Thanks for putting this together.

[@ryangold8517]

I have a suggestion for a new video, it is known that Jimmie Johnson was one of the drivers for the garage 56 camaro at le mans but what many don't know is that wasn't his first time in endurance racing, he once raced in the DPI class at the Rolex 24h as a one off appearance, I think it would work since you've looked at Lando noris and Dale Earnhardt Sr and how they competed at the Rolex 24h.

[@felipelomar5388]

Hey, just discovered your channel. Your videos are really well done and very informative, but I really LOVED that you use the briefing music from Ace Combat Zero. Nice to find other fans of this banger of a game around

[@effisjens1776]

So... There are diecast model of BOTH camaros! Saw these today at a model convetion in the province of Antwerp! Spark also made a model of the Renault 5 you made a video on! The guy that sold them (i didn't buy these) was lovely to talk to. As enthousiastic as me about this car, and i told him i learned about said camaro from you! Influence is starting to show!

[@stijnpaspont]

Sweet!

[@Keckegenkai]

the 70s camaros were fast down the mulsanne straight but even then they got smoked by the 935 which still has the speed record for a non prototype there iirc

[@zerocool5395]

As an owner of several 3rd and 4th gen F-Bodies, I had no idea a 3rd Gen Camaro raced at Le Mans. Such a cool racing story. Also great video, you've got my sub. Cheers from Chile!

[@coliimusic]

Always love your videos, Stijn! This one was a really fun one to watch, I didn't realize they used a dirt oval chassis to build that car! Glad I caught this one early haha!

[@jerrycorley5095]

I was there for that. It was also the introduction of the Z28E for Chevrolet on Friday night. What a party that was. Gene Felton was a good friend.

[@thierry726]

Old n0 81 original footage back in le Mans 82 😊..no ear plugs 🥁 kzbin.info/www/bejne/lWfQfIWqjpuoobMsi=0Qu6X-hSTCbWqYQ0

[@halfwaytobedlam3234]

always a great story, thank you

[@rscamarolover]

Thank you for this awesome info / video. As a camaro owner/driver/addict I enjoyed it. 3rd gens are my love and what I drive

[@JoshuaC923]

Very cool history, it's going to be cool to see Nascar back at Le mans

[@himmelhero]

Amazing video as always Stijn you always cover some interesting aspects of racing that aren't really shared keep it up :)

[@Where_is_Waldo]

Well sir, this was a great video... and based on your comment section I can safely assume this is your usual standard of quality. I don't have time to watch more right now but I can confidently decide to subscribe because I know I want to watch more from you. keep it up!

[@hank1556]

You will get 100k in no time if you keep this up, excellent stuff sir

[@Amb0ss]

I can't believe he hasn't got 100k already. Honestly this channel is such a hidden gem - such high quality, informative videos; genuinely one of the best motorsport channels without a doubt.

[@-OokySpooky-]

3:07 THE OLYMPIA CHARGER!!! That thing stiiiilll haunts racetracks to this day! Who ever owns it still works on it and takes it out to SPA and other stuff every now and then. You can watch in cab videos of it racing here on youtube. He doesn't get on it very often bc of what it is, just kinda let's it circle the course and gets yelled at a lot by the euro tribe for being a bad driver or something - but evvvvery now and then under the right pressure and on the right turn he kinda gets the taste of blood and opens it up full tilt. Goes from being a really cool video of a mopar ripping it up to a horror film we're you are the monster. Go check it out

[@briewhit1312]

quality of your videos is so good man love them sm

[@salvador_mano4x4]

Stijn man! You do good stuff!! Never Heard of these cars

[@seantaylor2683]

This was a really cool video. Also props for using Ace Combat music

[@Threxer]

You immediately got my attention with the Ace Combat music.

[@tedzehnder961]

Since 1976, Racing in American series have developed into more sophisticated platforms when they realized getting beat in the market place by Germany and Japan wasn`t gonna go away by itself.The old adage "Race On Sunday Sell On Monday" race fans that watched NASCAR, liked the speed and noise and banked circle tracks gave them that while seeing all the up close action and maybe a wreck or three. NASCAR raced over 40 times a year compared to less than a dozen in Europe at the time so fancy, expensive, well designed cars were more or less out of the question, crashing gets expensive.The small group of guys from NASCAR were out of their league back then where street courses and racing for more than 3-4 hours never happened.If US Auto companies want to go racing they can be competitive.It`s not that corporate America can`t design superior equipment it`s just that they want to sell as many cars to as many people at the cheapest and easiest way possible. That`s what happens when accountants run a car business and not engineers.

[@MachineintheMonkey]

I agree mate, I love many forms of Motorsport but NASCAR is my favourite because it relates more to the common man and who doesn’t love the sound of a pushrod small block singing at 9500 rpm! Bye the way I’m from the Deep South… Australia 🇦🇺 👍

[@samueldowney2806]

Thanks for telling the story of this interesting piece of history.

[@cuv41]

the first IMSA GTO Camaro at Le Mans was the Mo Carter Camaro in 1980

[@charlesmullenax4448]

Excellent video. Btw, I hear that Ace Combat menu music in the background.

[@villedocvalle]

Drum brakes at Le Mans!? Wtf were they thinking!?

[@DavE-FM545]

Good job. 👍

[@smoggyimpala9934]

I hear the Ace Combat music used in the back. Love it! Childhood game.

[@nomiguda]

Excellent video mate, keep it up. One day we'll need a new background track, but for now it's fine.

[@Jeffgordonfan24hesthegoat]

Epic more American cars in Europe plzzzz

[@utvpoop]

Glickenhaus tries hard, and now Cadillac will

[@thierry726]

Old footage n sound ...🥁 Hagan Camaro n0 81 . Le Mans 1982 kzbin.info/www/bejne/lWfQfIWqjpuoobMsi=0Qu6X-hSTCbWqYQ0

[@mikejohnson5900]

What a great story - thank you for telling it! Good job on the video as well.

[@mirrorslash028]

Upvoting for the ace combat soundtrack

[@ShawnMcClurg]

Excellent video, very informative!

[@rocketman1058]

we want more videos like this...

[@stijnpaspont]

And i'll continue to provide more videos like this

[@mauroantoniocorradoauditor5968]

Seems plenty of Motorsport channels love to use ace combat soundtracks as a background. That sits extra well with me

[@samclarke653]

Who goes to Le Man's with drum brakes?!!

[@The52car]

I know Gene Felton ran his (much older) dirt Camaro at the Daytona 24Hr once before. Now I'm imagining some one running dirt late models at Le Mans in iRacing...

[@milfordh.mercado2787]

Unbelievable 🤯🤯 i never heard that dirt track car was used(more then twice)in le mans as this is an achievement worthy to be remembered for all time and yet no one cares about it 😤😤anyway thanks for the video so see you later bye now.

[@Das_Ratsel_956]

Garage 56 looks pretty promising imo with the nearly identical GTD lap times at Daytona the Garage 56 Camaro looks like it might have a shot against the GTE-AM cars

[@bobg3034]

Very nice vid on the Camaros history!

[@utvpoop]

It's not a true stock car because it has real lights :)

[@mikeupton5406]

Going to have to find out about that Charger at Le Mans.

[@ehlani6677]

THE KING IS BACK

[@markmartin2819]

who the FUCK doesn't replace the drum brakes on a 600 horsepower race car? That's asking for disaster

[@cartoonfan959]

maybe update the video ??

[@charlesanzalone5846]

When nascar brought Torino and Mopar to lemans in the 70s, the event changed the fuel to be used that the motors were not built for,not enough time to ship new motors and the motors had a melt down

[@thedon-e6514]

Adding a comment to feed the algorithm! Thanks for the entertaining vid. I love watching stuff I didn’t know about!😄

[@henryjohn2218]

Finally about this car

[@zenius-oo5ez]

This video was fanominal mate. Great as always(:

[@tyreksimmons4167]

Camaro my beloved

[@tjakra21]

Ace combat zero theme song :)

[@alsa4real]

Awesome video

[@henrymorse9939]

really well done video, great work

[@davos4wdadventures]

Great story.thank u

[@noahwheeler1176]

Great video. High quality content!

[@alexander1485]

Nice video.

[@jakeward7703]

Look up Dennis Frings Race Cars and you can see more information on the Le Mans cars and also the short oval cars he built.

[@superbrit3845]

The reason that they ran drum brakes was because American Motorsport Engineering was 20 years behind the European entrees.

[@jakesshopandtracktalk1835]

They’re not really racing with them being a Garage 56 entry. But Button, Johnson, Rockefeller? That’s just plain cool. Honestly I am happy that NASCAR just wanted to join the party due to the historic nature of the event. I’m not an endurance racing guy or even a NASCAR guy too much. But that’s cool in my mind too. Is it as cool as somebody looking at a dirt super late model and saying: let’s build one for Lemans? No lol. Not even at all a little bit.

[@94nolo]

Bad ass video and story

[@toweringhorse2054]

You still see these 2nd Gen camaro dirt track cars rolling around rural WV dirt tracks

[@RobertEHunt-dv9sq]

e Excellent video on USA MUSCLE. Thanks for posting. Very informative. That corner at Arnage where they stuffed the Camaro in 1980 is the slowest turn on the circuit at about 80 mph. You need all of the brakes and more after coming out of the Indianapolis complex. 747 aircraft brakes could not have stopped that Camaro.

[@headsetlucky13]

You have left the engagement area

[@THESLlCK]

Camaros have always been the focus of experimental racing in Chevy just because they could do just about whatever you could ask of them.

[@ernetoescobar-vy7uf]

De argetina✌

[@Whin556]

This is by far my favorite channel now

[@epiphonium]

um what part of that car is stock ?

[@sharptoothtrex4486]

Always try your best even thinking AWD Volkswagen's as a next alternative for LeMans racing with LeMans engines and transmissions as if Volkswagen Bugs and Beetles need customization fitting these engines in the rear..

[@WinstonPinetorum]

Wow what a great video!

[@haydenanthony4982]

Great video!! You mixed up the names in the second half of the video. Billy Hagan and Gene Felton were the two driving the 81 camaro that got second in class. Brooks wasn’t in that car

[@KittyPurrfect100]

NextGen56 Camaro needs to be at 24 Heures du Daytona in 2024 somehow

[@xNeo64]

But the question still remains Will the nascar camaro actually be competitive or will it just be an obstacle for the other drivers?

[@stijnpaspont]

during testing it has apparently passed the corvette c8 gt3 that was also on track testing. now i don't know how much that matters since gt3 pace is still different of GTE pace. we'll just have to wait for the first rollout at le mans.

[@ronaldvanbeekveld8398]

Maybe talk about McCall chassis

[@Brooks22n]

Dennis Frings Built Asphalt Late Models , NOT Dirt Late Models, showing Dirt Late Models makes No Sense

[@dalelumina3]

do u think that if the new camaro does well nascar might send more oval racers next time?

[@stijnpaspont]

I doubt it. But maybe they will for the 100th edition of the race in a couple of years. (This year its the 100 year anniversary but only the 91st edition)

[@dirtmudsnowandwater]

Ugh man i love seeing yeehaw heehaw honky tonk engineering in the seemingly high brow hemisphere of le mans

[@mitchellsteindler]

DRUM BRAKES....DRUM BRAKES

[@stijnpaspont]

Just imagine if they failed at the end of the mulsanne straight instead. Would have been a catastrophe

[@Dryfloorsign]

3:39 oh... that aint good, do they keep the weird chassis alignment(?) too, or is this an eera before those

[@adr1uno638]

Doesn't the Garage 56 run in it's own categorie, apart from the GTE cars ?

[@stijnpaspont]

yes it does, its just expected to be on the same pace as a GTE car

[@maxbucio9854]

The reason why the Camaro is raced at Nascar is because Chevy's only car is the Camaro. Chevy dropped all their car lineup and make trucks and suvs. Like Ford, Chevy failed against the Asian auto makers.

[@milfordh.mercado2787]

Well i hate to say this 😢😢but the camaro is ending its production in 2024 so if you want to have a muscle car then the mustang is the only one to have.

[@dougcarpenter7627]

And nascar fully gives SHITROLLING an advantage every year - "pegs back performance on FORD" ( ACTUAL NASCAR QUOTE !!!!!)BEFORE 2022 RACING POINTS START!!!!!!!! CANCELS SOHC IN 60'S ( FORD SPENT ALOT $ TO DEVELOP ACCORDING TO NASCAR RULES) BOSS 429 CHOKED W/ RESTRICTOR PLATE AFTER ONLY 2 YEARS ( WON MOST RACES ) HEMI CHOKED ALSO. WENT TO 366 C.I LIMIT ( FORD 351 WAS A THIN WALL BLOCK, COULD NOT BORE OUT ) NASCAR KNEW THIS!!!!!! CLEVE. 4BBL. HEADS OUTLAWED AT ALL NASCAR SANCTIONED TRACKS ( TOO POWERFUL) ANY AND ALL IMPROVEMENTS FORD MADE WERE CANCELED OR COUNTERED BY IMMEDIATE SHITROLLING/NASCAR ADVANCES, REAR WINDOW ON 80'S MONTE CARLO, FRT. END FLOUNDER NOSE ON 2000 CHEV. 2 1/2" PUSH OUT ON FRT. SPOILER SAME YEARS - FORD & DODGE 1", PONTIAC 0" . AND THIS "STOCK RACING" IS ALWAYS CALLED FAIR AND EQUITABLE - B. S. NASCAR HAS NOT SHOWN THAT IT IS CAPABLE OF PUTTING ON A RACE THAT HAS "PARITY" GTFOH NASCAR.

[@59vaughn]

Damn...they sure knew how to screw up a cars look..😖

[@yazansakran3326]

Drum brakes on a race car? Ohh hell no

[@km6832]

I'd like to think the nascars failed at lemans because they ran them at their normal rpm limit instead of a lower rpm to save the engine.

[@aliassmithandjones9453]

drum brakes are fine as long as you never use them

[@lavawolf666]

will be awesome, a shame that is not a real camaro, this time, i got a question will be in a particular class, or just run with no class like a guest, can not win, an the results are void , the only class close to a nascar car by rule book are the LMP, but that not fair for the car, an the GTE are street derived cars, thing that the this camaro is not