The RAPTORS Chapter: Origins & Lore | Warhammer 40k Index Astartes

[@joshbecka6110]

I love how every chapter is “this chapter was designed to do this one aspect of war, they are really good at it so naturally the rest of the imperium is suspicious of them.”

[@dingdongspaghetti]

tbf the imperium is suspicious of everything pretty much all the time

[@vinnythewebsurfer]

The emperors greatest tools for war being picky about how they actual do said war and behaving sometimes more like Orks will never not be amusing.

[@Xune2000]

Have you ever worked in an office? No one likes someone who's too good at the job, it makes them look bad and will mean they have to start working.

[@adrianjorgensen3750]

Only in the Imperium would the chapter that treats the codex Astarte as what it was meant to be, a guidebook, be viewed with suspicion.

[@Bluecho4]

Well, the Imperium IS Fascist, and Fascists are deeply suspicious of any and all differences or distinctions. Considering disagreement to be _treason_ (or, in this case, Heresy). So every constituent part of the Imperium is suspicious and hostile to every other part, which is why they might end up fighting on the tabletop.

[@nakenmil]

I like the idea that the blue and yellow is only their "parade" paint scheme that they used during the founding of their chapter, or for diplomatic missions. Imperial scholars witnessed it and recorded it, and assumed they also fought like that - which they don't.

[@Bluecho4]

In their defense, most chapters seem to go into war with their "parade" schemes as standard, so it's an easy mistake to make. They didn't realize they were dealing with sensible people.

[@KuK137]

Isn't leading idea that the original, stupid colors chapter went extinct thanks to failing common sense check, and the new, competent, green raptors were refounded later?

[@kennyburkamp4054]

​@@KuK137 no actually they just showed up as a fleet based chapter hundreds of year after there home world was lost and chapter thought to be so to but they reappeared later sporting this new color scheme and doctoring of warfare they were never refunded they reappeared before that was a thing this isn't the first time a chapter was unable to be contacted for a long time for what ever reason by the imperium and presume lost but was fine and reappeared later like the red scorpions or the lamenters has similar stuff like this happened to them to

[@UGNAvalon]

@kennyburkamp4054 My brother in Terra, *use some punctuation!*

[@seetherf9211]

The Raptors were also enemies you had to fight in the Fire Warrior video game released back in 2003. They had kidnapped an Ethereal that you were tasked with rescuing.

[@drakinkoren]

I immediately started trying to figure out if that would be heretical, rather than going "oh that's a neat tidbit" 🙄

[@ropable]

I just love the idea of the Raptors giving other marine chapters like the Black Templars the side-eye for their beliefs.

[@sylaconnocalys8443]

I forgot where I read this, but I've heard they actually like working with the Templar's since they can focus on what they're good at, ranged combat, and have the Templar's focus on fighting up close.

[@dmeep]

The real power move is taking the rogue trader scheme and building a table where it functions as cammo

[@CocoHutzpah]

A tropical sandy beach might do the trick

[@namefinder]

Rivers and Sunflowers...

[@KuK137]

If that was made today, I'd say it's a parody of a certain fascist country losing hundreds of thousands of people in PR "battles" throwing them away pointlessly against strongest points of dug in enemy for zero gain, reason, or sense, just so that fuhrer el presidente can say "we're winning!". Alas, it was made far before current time so was just eerily prescient...

[@darnokx9277]

So... IKEA?

[@stretch3281]

Ahh, the lidl campaign 😊

[@Tsotha]

I find the Raptors one of the most interesting Space Marine Chapters precisely because they are probably the one that acts the most like a 20th/21st century real life special force instead of Knights Templar in space.

[@Woodclaw]

I'm still waiting to see what the revised Codex Astertes Guillmann is working on would have to say about the Raptor's prefered tactics. In my head canon, there is a scribe tasked to compile an entire appendix explaining how using camo and not engaging the enemy in a frontal assault are absolutely viable methods of warfare.

[@aidanpeterson1001]

You're actually closer to the truth than you might think! In Dawn of Fire: Wolftime, we learn that Guilliman's personal equerry and nova codex Astartes editor is actually a Raven Guard, perhaps explaining where all the phobos units came from. We also know that the bolt sniper used by Primaris Eliminators is actually formally known (As seen in Shadowspear and in Wrath and Glory: Vow of Absolution) as the Mk.III Shrike-pattern bolt sniper rifle, suggesting the big bird himself had a hand in the precision rifle's development

[@seanmcgrath2049]

That scribe is then summarily executed by an overly-suspicious Inquisitor who refuses to believe that any primarch would seek to re-write one of their own works and therefore imply that something they did would be imperfect, and implying imperfection in anything the emperor does or creates is BASEST, VILE HERESY

[@Bluecho4]

Not that this will actually stop chapters from zealously adhering to the old Codex Astartes. Insisting that any "New" Codex Astartes is some misinformation by the Archenemy, or by cowardly heretics within the Imperium. It's not like Guilliman can personally go everywhere and confirm his approval of the new Codex, no matter how he's seemingly implied to be by his presence on the tabletop. (Moreover, even if he did show up to insist his Codex is legit, plenty of chapters may just insist HE is a fake, because False Primarchs are hardly new).

[@GeorgeEstregan828]

Leadros is that you? 😅

[@The_Foil]

Luetin and Ian are such a blessing, Almost everything I know about 40k is because of this two

[@speedyazi5029]

Yeah. If I want lore that delves into immersive interpretation and speculation, I have Luetin. If I want need to know info and meta commentary and reasoning, there is Ian. They’re also great to watch before sleep or when wanting to sleep. Must be the British accent

[@shinomori69]

Fourway split with Baldemort and Weshammer and I'm in the same spot.

[@vinnythewebsurfer]

Just wish Luetin’s videos didn’t feel like he’s repeating himself at times but still. Cool dude.

[@ropable]

Don't forget Oculus Imperia! He and Ian are the best lore channels.

[@Gh0stClown]

'Raptor Chapter' is just fun to say

[@vee-bee-a]

Rolls off the tongue.

[@Aftar2]

Rapta champta masta!

[@dufourea]

i am reasonably excited for the Reasonable Marines.

[@SC1ENCEP1E]

I love all your videos but the successor chapter ones lately have been my all time fave. I always end up painting at least one when done

[@elphee]

Every video has me nearly committing to a new army haha

[@mickbrown7793]

My take is that the Raptors were chided about their camouflage and the yellow and blue is their reaction. "So you gave up on camouflage?" "No." "Then why the bright colours?" "It helps us to avoid attention when we're in crowds of walking targets... sorry, I mean Ultramarines and Imperial Fists."

[@EvMund]

perhaps the blue and yellow is actually Parade Camo, so their chapter doesnt stand out too much when marching alongside other chapters in a triumph. would they go to such an effort to hide in plain sight? if any chapter would do it, it would be them!

[@nacidocoqui]

Here we go, Arbitor Ian covering my fav Chapter! Get that reasonableness, tacticool, and handy storage bits!

[@MrElarchbishop]

Love the edit for colossal fistfights. Never thought to question whether it was a fistfight of colossal proportions or some really big fists before.

[@budderk1305]

came to post the same, got a big guffaw out of me

[@CorvusBoreus]

The illustration of the Raptor space marine in the Taros Campaign book is my favourite piece of marine art - everything about the armour is well proportioned (especially the feet, I really hate how a lot of marine models and art have enormous feet) and is obviously a mix of armour marks, the equipment is all practical but still retains heralrdry and relics. It's just a solid bit of artwork.

[@KuK137]

Well proportioned - like primaris. Yes, all examples of good looking SM, be it from FW books, SM pc game, or DoW 2, have them looking like primaris, not chimpanzee proportions minis they had in the game before primaris came out. And the problem is not just feet, it's orangutan long arms, missing half of the spine, and head big like it was 5 year old child not adult man...

[@henryfleischer404]

@@KuK137I was just thinking about how disappointingly small the feet and lower legs are on Primaris Terminators. I'd have preferred it if they'd gone full Gelgoog with it to balance out the shoulders.

[@engine4403]

OMG that old Raptors armor is colored exactly like that anacrhonistic camo pattern used in the film Red Dawn

[@nohrianscum9791]

Knowing old school GW's penchant for blatant pop culture references, that may be intentional.

[@sonicwingnut]

Ahh the Sensible Marines!

[@speedyazi5029]

The only Space Marines that seem to the take Marine part seriously it seems.

[@thedubstepaddict3675]

Ive started my raptors when 10th edition was right around to come out, and with the new decals that fit perfectly. And ive started writing a custom campaign book which includes them!

[@paulellington1505]

Raptors fan here and you did a good job with this video Ian. Keep it up bro. I can't wait to see you cover the Minotaurs

[@metek8926]

The meta reason for why GW created them is as a chapter to introduce to army painters. Camo green is what you typically see in ww2 army figures and good way to introduce them to 40K.

[@klaykid117]

I mean the dark Angels basically have the same color scheme And have had it far longer than the raptors have

[@totalCoolerUsername]

​@@klaykid117Yeah but convincing Historical Henry to buy the specific 'military-alike' space marines rather than a Panzer IV is easier without the 'gothic knight' thing on top; atleast for the suits.

[@SamusSelf-Destruct]

You are just factually incorrect. Ian specifically talked about their original blue and yellow scheme and when it changed in the video.

[@joevines3428]

​@klaykid117 they wear white cloaks and shit tho. Dark angles are very flamboyant too.

[@Bluecho4]

See also why Phobos pattern armor exists. GW want to tap into the "Tacticool" market.

[@_R0adki11]

Glad to see the Raptors covered. I originally was a Raven Guard player in 2nd edition. I returned to 40k recently after a 18 year gap and re-painted my Space Marines as Raptors. Mainly as they are second founding Raven Guard. I now have enough Raptors to field 1 full company. Recently bought an Age of Darkness box to build an Badab War themed force. I look forward to other Badab war videos.

[@Tsotha]

That is interesting considering how little attention the Raven Guard got until 3rd edition, I wonder how many people played them at all during the first 2 editions.

[@_R0adki11]

@@Tsotha Probably not many, I picked them mainly because there was very little lore about them. Which meant I could create my own at the time.

[@Tsotha]

@@_R0adki11 very curious what your homebrew Raven Guard lore was like - I do find it interesting that the official RG fluff+artwork started out having them as vaguely Irish like the Space Wolves are vikings, but later writers changed them to Pacific Northwest Native Americans since those cultures also have a fondness for raven iconography

[@_R0adki11]

@@Tsotha Unfortunately I don't have anything I created. When I stopped playing, I kept some of the books, kept my space marines and sold off the rest of my collection. Still wish I hadn't sold off my huge collection of Orks.

[@bilson7523]

The Raptors are absolutely my favorite chapter from a tactics/backstory standpoint.

[@liammccarthy4677]

This series is literally the best you’ve done this kinda badab coverage is beautiful

[@christiangoldsmith7863]

Wonderful as ever Ian, thank you so much.

[@mazubahtender]

Gotta say, I really love those pictures from the 3rd edition. I don't know what it is about those pictures, but the almost comic book -like style just looks really fun to me, showing it to be obviously drawn and coloured rather than attempting to go for realism. The picture of the Raptors from 3rd edition just reminded me of that.

[@WozWozEre]

Love the Raptors, but after Salamanders, Orks, Guard and Death Guard I really don't need ANOTHER green army.

[@4thObserver]

None of that Martial Glory, Blind Dogma to the Codex. It's your speed, your aim, your independence and willingness to adapt, That's why I love this Chapter.

[@Technoanima]

I love how you fully cover the Raptors and the campaigns they participated in.

[@anotherzingbo]

I like the Raptors and I'm also pleased to hear a bit of lore about the Fourth Quadrant Rebellion too. 🙂

[@Hiyama420]

Love the Raptors, been playing them since a Badab War campaign back in 6th Edition. Thanks for covering my faves, Ian!

[@michaelsimpson3711]

The Raptors are great. I love the fact that while to us their tactics seem the more reasonable, but in universe ‘they’ are the weird ones, space Viking werewolves and angelic vampires make far more sense. And considering the metaphysics of 40K and the warp, they might be right

[@talscorner3696]

Keep in mind the average Imperial citizen doesn't even know that the Space Marines are more than religious myth, too xD

[@erwinsetyo1061]

Same as Orks counterpart, the Blood Axes. They too use camouflages and planning the tactic before the Waaagh, earning ire by others Orks. Both are my Favorites

[@thelast749]

To us the Raptors are normal but to the Imperium they're unique

[@bigbloke2000]

Fyi: Sedna is a Dwarf Planet candidate in our real-world solar system. Suprised to hear it mentioned here...

[@soupalex]

@02:46 i think-a that pronunciation of "roboute guilliman" deserves a quick _tarantella napoletana_ 😉

[@talscorner3696]

Roberto Guglielmo gaming hours xD

[@speedyazi5029]

they’re the peak representation of Big Green (sometimes friendly) killing machine of the 40K universe.

[@WilhelmScreamer]

I appreciate your inclusion of how these ideas have changed

[@darcyska]

I remember painting my first ever army as a Raptor chapter as I think the look tied into a lot of the model kits my dad would build from WW2 planes

[@donnylurch4207]

These guys are on my short list of chapters to paint if I ever get into Space Marines.

[@SimonClark]

"These guys seem almost entirely sane and practical...... Yeah I don't trust them"

[@singtothesilence]

"Put it this way, Caecilius. Imagine you were taken from your family at the ripe old age of ten, pumped full of steroids, spare organs, and enough hypno-indoctrination to fill several holy books, equipped with some of the best weapons and wargear humanity can manufacture, then turned loose on the galaxy with practically carte blanche to kill as thou wilt. Would you describe the person at the other end of that process as 'sensible', 'measured', or 'practical'?" "I think I'm beginning to see the problem here, Metella..."

[@HexaDecimus]

These marines are reasonable

[@UGNAvalon]

15:40 Trees: Start speaking Mantis. Other trees: Respond in Raptor.

[@YukitoOnline]

Gotta love their Battle Doctrine. It's very *"Reasonable"*

[@SaltAsh303]

Got the notification and came running! Love this series ❤

[@stevensutton2252]

This episode is for the 🐦birds!😊😊❤

[@uyaratful]

Could you create a video where you dissect various spacemarines? I'm really interested in all those strange organs, mutations, and augumentations.

[@Armaaz]

A surgeon did a series on this. Dr. Chris Raynor.

[@Tsotha]

@@Armaaz Where someone memorably pointed out in the comments section that the anatomically accurate Space Marine looked exactly like Fabius Bile.

[@DoomStroller]

This was great. Thanks!

[@darnokx9277]

Raptors: Reasonable Marines, often suffering from depression. I can relate.

[@Nibelheim1989]

Best night of the week, when Ian drops.

[@darthgriamor7151]

Ian your videos are my favourite for Lore: could you PLEASE do the Minotaurs in depth!

[@michaelgautreaux3168]

Reconnaissance! The Raptors are scouts to the "Conventional" warfare formations of the right now that the Raven Guard are to Spec Ops. Other space marine may have Guardsmen on their flanks, the Raptors are in their ranks. It's the same setup as Kasrkin Storm Troopers integrated in Cadian Shock troop formations! Many thanx 👍👍

[@altershaped]

18:40 The Raptors' new Green colour scheme was also in the 3rd edition Space Marine Codex in the "Space Marine Chapter Colours" guide. I'm not sure if that is before or after the White Dwarf article on Armageddon as all my magazines got flood damaged years ago.

[@Ares180BPM]

"If you can be one thing you should be efficient" - Commander-General Wayne, 212th Letterkenny Regulars, M2

[@mus_cetiner]

Oh those Raptors, oh yes.

[@anno-fw7xn]

I would love more lore about tham! Thanks for the great work!

[@codycurtin2295]

The Raptors exalting individual mindset gives huge Alpha Legion vibes.

[@CrimsonTemplar2]

Another excellent installment in this series.

[@jblazeby]

This is great Ian Can you do more about certain campaigns?

[@zakmendoza8817]

Seeing their allies’ blunders by not using proper strategy or tactics and basically saying, “Fine, I’ll do it myself…” Raptors represent! 🦅

[@ReginaldWolfeActor]

Sings to the tune of These are My Favourite Things: 'The history of the raptors chapter is confusing'

[@scottmartinbryant9670]

Keep you great work up mate x

[@stevekearns6173]

I love these guys! great video sir!

[@TheTurbanatore]

I always love your well researched content

[@KateHolden]

Thank goodness for the brave Raptors, protecting the galaxy from the dangers of- (checks notes) ...democracy. This is fine. 😬😬😬

[@waltergaming6394]

Raptors are so cool. Great video!

[@pat0652]

Great job Ian

[@alasiadarthe001actual9]

My homebrew chapter the “night cobras” is heavily inspired by the raptors just with more dreads and flamers.

[@earnestwanderer2471]

Excellent as usual.

[@slackeratlarge575]

Love this Badab chapters series

[@richardhall485]

Working on a Raptor Phobos Strike team atm. Big fans of extra pockets and pouches those lads

[@joehill6916]

I believe they were actually named for Stevie Wonder’s song Raptor Chapter (Jammin)

[@davebowman9000]

Great video!!

[@thatothersimp2751]

13:09 In the Raptor's defence they were saving the imperium from the average median voter.

[@josephyoung2593]

If you ever need a break from spam I'd like to hear things like specific genestealer cults or ork tribes given this sort of treatment.

[@bentilbury2002]

This is an excellent series! I suppose the yellow and blue might be their "dress" colours or something, only worn for ceremonies, parades and so on.

[@stick_boy6339]

Are you planning to continue the forge world books series? Would love to see things like the raid on kastorel-novem

[@ArbitorIan]

Absolutely. But right now work is busy and these videos are EASY! 😬

[@stick_boy6339]

@@ArbitorIan awesome, also I love the series you did with the legion and this one too, it’s making me want to return to my astral claws

[@patricklocufier8316]

Always great videos! 👏👍

[@apjapki]

I like the idea they are so pragmatic they just quietly ditched the yellow and blue for something more stealthy.

[@georgesulea]

I love the Raptors. One of my top 5:)

[@jaydayee]

Great chapter, awesome vid

[@cortez2712]

Even though they are stated Raven Guard, the Raptors sound a bit like a mix of Raven Guard and Alpha Legion. Perhaps some chimeric gene seed tinkering from M37 onwards when they re-appeared? Similarities to the sudden reappearance of the Minotaurs (which are also probably "chimeric" or traitor gene seed stock).

[@speedyazi5029]

Alpha Legion mentioned? ALPHARIUS IS A RAPTOR MARINE?

[@Tsotha]

To me, a lot of that comes from the Raven Guard already specialising in guerilla warfare much like the Alpha Legion and for that matter the Night Lords do.

[@thorshammer8033]

Raptor Marines are known for a unique craving for crayons

[@pmc1727]

Year 17. My quest continues… No Minotaurs in sight.

[@SolidRollin]

Love your videos. Cheers.

[@vdate]

Aw yeah it's the IRL Reasonable Marines! (Well, 'IRL', but you know what I mean.)

[@TSInfiMa-r6z]

They're of Raven Guard gene-stock. Of course they're pragmatic.

[@vinbingames]

The best way I describe the raptors chapter: Think the how the spartan 2s from halo and kick them up to 11

[@TheTrenchface]

This was my first warhammer army ❤️

[@ericvaughn2617]

Raptor Chapter is just fun to say.

[@jrofeta]

Crazy theory: They are actually loyalist Alpha Legion descendants that bound themselves to the Raven Guard as a way to make up for the dishonour of what the Alpha Legion did to the original Raptors and hence why they took the name. No real reason other than it is a bit more interesting than just they are the same as the Raptors from the HH. Plus it works with my other unfounded crazy theory that the Red Scorpions are the actual HH Raptor descendants.

[@catcadev]

ah, yes. I look up "Raptors" and see some kind of lizard so I add on "40k" and it comes up with some sort of spiky minis (no idea what they are), so I land on "Raptors 40k Chapter"

[@HereticalKitsune]

I just wished painters of Raptors would go for different camo schemes and not all using the very same basic woodland type. There are so many strange camo patterns in the world already, not to mention all the fantastical ones of an entire galaxy! That bright color scheme is actually pretty cool, as parade uniform rather than combat camo.

[@Breakingfasst88]

Waiting for the day someone paints the raptors in the style of Universal Camouflage Pattern.

[@volkarve]

New IAN. instant Like and Comment. Cheers all

[@Arceolis]

Star Phantoms next?

[@mattweiterman7321]

Would love some new lore for these guys.

[@bengeorge9063]

So these guys are like the modern day special forces just with vastly better equipment and soldiers ?

[@Olivernicholasbradbury]

Hi Ian, is there enough variation/content to get a video specifically on the different gene seeds? Maybe even a tier list? 😂

[@ArbitorIan]

Nah not really. It's kind covered in the heresy videos but apart from a few cosmetic differences pretty much everything about gene seed is conjecture. Like, every story is "we think marines with this gene-seed are more stubborn but it also might be their culture or history or home planet".

[@Olivernicholasbradbury]

@@ArbitorIan Oh I didn’t realise it was such a poorly elaborated topic! Fair enough, cheers 👍🏻

[@6.0charleston843]

In a universe of constant war people like Seth are important! Plus you would want him killing your enemies not you!

[@matthewperkin7527]

Ian, when’s Grey Knights?!

[@dfly27485]

Raptors are very cool

[@leovalenzuela8368]

Neat!

[@immolatewarlock6542]

How does a 8ft tall space Marine infiltrate?

[@gawkthimm6030]

crawling on his stomach slowly for weeks, only moving when no enemy are near, wearing a camo cloak

[@ArbitorIan]

It's all relative. There are probably goblins thinking 'how can a 6ft human infiltrate?'