"The Rapture" Already Happened!

This video is a study on 1st Thessalonians 4:13-18 with a Full Preterist interpretation; This teaching further proves that Jesus did fulfill all things.
#fullpreterism #rapture

[@williambrewer]

It means remain 'alive' until he comes, not remain behind after he comes. It says remain unto, not remain beyond.

[@jlar1984]

I agree. I wish he would answer your comment.

[@marekfamulla]

15 For this we say to you as [a] word [of] the Lord: We who are alive and remain until the presence/coming of the Lord will in no way overtake those who have fallen asleep.

[@marekfamulla]

1. Cor. 15.52 The trumpet will sound and the dead will be raised. They will be imperishable, and we too will be completely transformed. 53 Yes, it must come to pass: This perishable thing must put on imperishability and this mortal body must put on immortality. ‘We shall be transformed’ refers to the physical death of us, it speaks of the event of death. So when the body dies - we do not die. Because we have been transformed and so we don't die, only the old body.

[@mjack3521]

We are that house. God's building. We are resurrected with Christ already. Raised with Him. Ascended and seated with Him in heavenly places. Parousia means Presence. It's about restoration of relationship and Presence. No longer are we separated. Religion has been dethroned. We are seated and exalted with Christ in the New Heaven and Earth Covenant. New Jerusalem. Mt Zion.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for sharing! I enjoyed reading this commentary!

[@ericmaheux6096]

Great message Shade! I discovered you because you interviewed Don k Preston twice and I did watched those message yesterday! I became a Full Preterist because of Don k Preston videos!

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You Brother! I'm glad You found me. I'm also glad You found our good Brother Don K Preston. He has made so much sense out of the Eschatology that is in Scripture. He has been a great help to a lot of people. Thank You again Brother!

[@ericmaheux6096]

Yes! Don is great with eschatology of the Bible, one of the best i encounter, ...something that is greatly missing in our "futurist" churches! ...if only they would look deeper in history, especially the 1st generation and the whole AD 70 Event! Maybe just maybe the "futurist" would perhaps end-up to see something else in their Bible! Anyway, just curious, ...you are canadian?

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@ericmaheux6096 ...Yes, I'm Canadian; From Ontario. Where are You from Brother, if You don't mind me asking?

[@ericmaheux6096]

I am in Gatineau, Québec near Ottawa! Ya, I though you were in Ontario, it is rare to see someone in the "Preterist view" outside the state! I consider myself still new in this but what about you? So many questions I would want to ask you! To say, Brothers like Don, William Bell, Mike Sullivan, Zach Davis to name a few ...and you now, a fellow Canadian really open my understanding of the Bible like I never saw before! Anyway, would be great if somehow we could arrange something to talk ???

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@ericmaheux6096 Sounds great Brother! Feel free to shoot me an email or find me on facebook and we can work something out.

[@uncheckers]

Try explaining ICorinth 15:51-52!

[@carlostome2542]

Hi Shade, when I read 1Thes. 4 verses 15 to 17 I understood that people who are alive at the return of Jesus don't need to die, from being mortal to immortal instantaneously, it is very clear.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Hello and Thank You for sharing Your understanding on this! That said, I know this is what is typically taught; however I can't help but notice when pastors teach this, they add the word 'instantaneously'. That word is simply not there. What is there is 'remain'. This means to 'stay behind'. So it appears to me that the text is saying that those who fell sleep are caught up; the ones who are alive & remain/stay behind; will eventually be caught up later on as well when they pass away. That said, even still; if Christ returned in 70AD, then this would have happened already as well. Something to consider. Thanks again!

[@carlostome2542]

@@ShadeStoneMusic Sorry Shade but to me , the resurrected in Christ and the ones alive, are going together to meet the Lord in the air. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Nevertheless, as you said, is all in the past. God bless.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@carlostome2542 ...No problem at all! There are some writings in Josephus & Tacitus that support what You are saying. They write about voices saying 'let us depart hence'! So You could indeed be correct! Thanks Bro!

[@edwardvongerichten6158]

Hello Shade. I have come around to a semi preteristic stance. I feel much happened in 70 AD but there are some explanations that just do not make sense. When I say that I have mainly heard Don Preston. I have only seen a few of your videos and have enjoyed them. I do think the "Left Behind" series has done a lot of damage. People that never pick up their Bibles take that series as the whole truth. Anyway thanks for your efforts.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@edwardvongerichten6158 ...Hello Brother Edward! Thank You for sharing this message. I agree that many of us 'Partial and Full Preterists' still have much to work out and explain. Also, I agree that the 'dispensational view' of eschatology has and continues to render Christianity in a position where 'the church' is far less effective than it could be. So ultimately, I can't help but think that if our eschatology is more accurate, then our performance as 'Christians' will be more pleasing to God. Thank You again for Your kindness.

[@David-n1x7d]

"In the Last Days there will be great deception"

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

'Deception' has been going on for centuries; I don't think that is a great argument for eschatology.

[@volleyblogSOCAL]

The hardest thing to accept is that had we read the Bible on our own as a child, we would have understood the Bible completely different. But religion brought us to understanding what we all used to believe the Bible said until we reread it again for ourselves. I remember reading the Bible for the first time with my mom and I remember asking my mom so many questions as to what the Bible meant.. like about the firmament and giants and this generation should not pass… the first time I read these for myself I had a completely different understanding than after 10 years of private church schooling…

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@volleyblogSOCAL 100%!

[@volleyblogSOCAL]

@@ShadeStoneMusic I read one of the books of Josephus that was talking about the Roman war. It said the idumeans came to Jerusalem to help the Jews… the edomites? Helping Israel? Or just to suffer the punishment with them? Did you catch that in the writing? I was more interested in what happened after the coming of Christ because I’m confused about revelation 20

[@andyleethompson4241]

We have all been living through the deception… have you not been paying attention? The Roman Catholic- Jesuit deception. Thank you, Lord for giving me eyes to see and ears to hear.

[@KimEvans-hc9ud]

Hi Shade, you said that we cannot be resurrected if we haven't died ( sleep). And I would agree. And our resurrected bodies are not physical but spiritual, having undergone a tranformation or a " change" in an instant. However, in 1 Corinthians 15:51 I read this: "Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed," That seems to clearly teach that there will be living , physical bodies that will be changed into spiritual bodies without tasting physical death. Also, I believe both Enoch and Elijah were taken up to heaven alive. IDK! Please help!

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

I hear You Sister! Here are my thoughts on this; Prior to Christ and His death & resurrection the 'gates of the heavenly Jerusalem' were not open. Now, no one 'sleeps'; everyone goes straight to the Judgement Seat of Christ; Something that didn't exist before the First Century. So I think that what Paul is saying is that one the 'end of the Mosaic age' was complete...no one 'sleeps' or 'waits' anymore. But everyone is 'changed'. As for Elijah, I would suggest He was fulfilled in John the Baptist...as for Enoch, he is listed in The Book of Hebrews Chapter 11...and in verse 13 it says: 'these all died'...therefore Enoch did die...it may have been quick; but he did die. Hope this helps!

[@KimEvans-hc9ud]

That sounds right. Colossians 1 teaches Christ is the firstborn from the dead, so no one was ' resurrected' prior to his resurrection. They had to 'sleep' or as you say , wait. Thank you very much, brother!❤

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@KimEvans-hc9ud ...Great Catch from Colossians! Many miss that. The establishment of the Kingdom that comes without observation and has no end became a reality after the 'firstborn from the dead' was resurrected. No more need to 'sleep'. Thank You for being such a great encouragement!

[@pappmariapeidl]

@@ShadeStoneMusic Zsid 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. he should not see death

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@pappmariapeidl ...Yes...so let us consider the passage. Is Enoch the only one who ever 'pleased God'? Or the only one to ever 'please God' enough to not see death? Something to consider.

[@pamelabaske4060]

Oh my goodness..!…i am completely blown away!!! I think its glorious we get to immediately get to go home to our Father & our beautiful Savior. No soul sleep, what ever that was about, or roaming paradise in inner earth waiting for Jesus to translate us into new beings… So many questions & confusion making sense now. Im full of His blessed comfort now. FINALLY His Word makes so much sense!

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

I'm thrilled to hear this is bringing peace to Your heart. Thank You for sharing!

[@Zerbijan]

@@pamelabaske4060 its not biblical. Heaven is not for man, bible says here will be Paradise And are we in the 1000year messianic reign or are we outside? And God lets everything here on earth running like it does even everything has happend ?

[@HellNoKamala]

I went to a non denominational church and we didn't have a dispensational view. As you explain this it really hurts my brain because I have never learned this - thank God. People have surely been lied to but they certainly have to think subconsciously deep down they can learn the truth better than me because they don't say anything much about the timeline because it's past tense. It's absolutely wild for me today to realize so many are waking up!

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for sharing this! I'm quite astonished as well...So many folks are realizing something has been 'off' for quite some time and are indeed 'seeking' and 'waking up' as You put it. Thanks again for commenting!

[@HellNoKamala]

@@ShadeStoneMusic I forgot to say it was the Church of Christ. Have a wonderful week!

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@HellNoKamala Thank You and You have a great week as well!

[@pretribtruth]

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. So when was this verse fulfilled? Peace, PTT

[@theelizabethan1]

That passage is discussing the Second Coming......The Rapture is not the topic here.

[@pretribtruth]

@@theelizabethan1 If the book of Revelation has been fulfilled then this verse has as well. I have never seen any historic accounts of every eye seeing Jesus arrive in the clouds with all nationalities wailing when they see Him arriving in the clouds. This is the first description of the return of Jesus in the book of Revelation so if Jesus has returned then this verse would have to be fulfilled. Peace, PTT

[@taylormuse-22]

@@pretribtruth Jesus returns AFTER the tribulation period. At the rapture, before the tribulation, WE (believers) meet HIM in the air. He doesn’t come all the way back to the earth at this point. At his second coming, EVERY eye will see Jesus coming back to the earth.

[@pretribtruth]

@@taylormuse-22 Rev 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. Rev 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. Rapture at the marriage supper of the Lamb. Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. Followed directly by the battle of Armageddon. Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. Rapture followed by the battle of Armageddon. Easy to see exactly when we are raptured just before the battle of Armageddon. Peace, PTT

[@DChame-jh6hl]

It will be after the tribulation

[@jesusisvictor8493]

I follow you preterists in the understanding of Jesus returning in AD70 but who is the man of lawlessness that Paul wrote to the Thessalonians had to come on the scene first? I would be very interested in knowing whom this has been identified to be. Maybe a person in Jerusalem at the return of Jesus and the destruction of the temple ?

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Great Question! I found in reading about the Roman/Jewish war in the first century, there were 3 Jewish Zealot Factions that started a civil war from inside Jerusalem; eventually, they took over the Temple; the one who stood out the most to me was John of Gischala. There were a couple other potential candidates, but again, he stood out the most to me. They were killing their own people, even the priests that were running The Temple and all the sacrifices stopped and that's what moved The Romans to surround Jerusalem. The Book of Josephus details much of this out if You are interested in learning more about that First Century war. Thanks again for the comment and question!

[@DannyFesperman]

@@jesusisvictor8493 It was the high priest who continued to offer sacrifices in the temple even though they had already been rendered desolate by Christ's finished work on the cross.

[@oliviakitchens6545]

Makes so much sense 😊 Thank you brother!

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

You know I couldn't forget about You and Your request. Hope it helps Sister!

[@oliviakitchens6545]

@@ShadeStoneMusic it clears so much up. You shall know the truth- and the truth shall make you free! Thanks again!!! What an eye opener!’

[@carlosmoran2504]

YOUR FRIGGIN WELCOME , NOW BUZZ OFF!!!!!

[@TH37773]

Thank you for this presentation, I am new to this perspective and am finding that it addresses things that I have been privately contemplating for some time. Much appreciated!

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You so much for leaving these kind words! Comments like these are very encouraging.

[@carlosmoran2504]

@@ShadeStoneMusic YOUR WELCOME, NOW SCRAM PESEANT!!!!

[@jewela44]

Thanks for another great message. Your videos always give me a lot to think about. They have also helped me in my deconstruction process, having broken away from decades of organized religion. Appreciate ya!😊

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

You are so welcome Sister! I'm always thrilled to read Your messages. They always warm my heart. I am sincerely grateful for Your kindness. Thank You!

[@maryjohnson2878]

He’s incorrect

[@ReasonedRhetoric]

I don't think you have it quite right somehow. I think I heard you say when we die in Christ then we meet him in the air. 1 Corinthians 51-52 says we don't all die. 51. Listen, I tell you a mystery: *We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed-* 52. in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and *we will be changed.*

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank you for the comment; that said, notice 52 says 'the dead will be raised imperishable and we will be changed'...so it's people who are dead that will be 'raised' and that same group is 'changed'. It appears to me that those that were in the mode of 'sleep' at that time were waiting for the first fruit resurrection; once that happened, the Kingdom was inaugurated and from then on people no longer went to 'sleep' because the kingdom was (and is) established. Something to consider.

[@JulieRohloff]

I am inclined to believe that Jesus DID fulfill all things just as he said he would

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Sister Julie! I Love getting Your encouraging messages. And yes, I'm with You Sister; It would appear to me that when He said 'these are the things that must shortly take place'...He meant it! Thanks again Sister.

[@karenrogers]

I love your teaching! However, consider this: Possibly Jesus' teaching "in my Father's house are many dwelling places" means that His Father's house will no longer be the physical temple, as in the Old Covenant, but will be in all of us as believers. We are the many dwelling places of the Father through HIs Holy Spirit. The Father's house was at that time the temple (one dwelling place), yet Jesus is explaining that the Father would have many dwelling places (us, through the Holy Spirit). This was a new concept to first century Jews and Jesus was teaching about the Holy Spirit coming to dwell with believers. Revelation 21:3 says, "And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God." This is about God dwelling with us through the Holy Spirit and not about a "house" in heaven. Heaven obviously has room for us and is too obvious. Besides, Jesus doesn't teach about heaven; He teaches about the Kingdom of God. Heaven is left a mystery so we all don't just check out! Also, Jesus says He will go to prepare a place for us then will "come again" when He dwells with us in the many dwelling places! "And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will COME AGAIN and receive you to Myself; that WHERE I AM, there you may be also." John 14:3 He will be with us here - a novel concept to the first century believers!

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

What a wonderful and well thought out commentary! I'm blessed to have been able to read this. This is certainly a gift to all who see it. I greatly appreciate You taking the time to type this out and share it. This really did warm my heart; Thank You!

[@karenrogers]

@@ShadeStoneMusic You are welcome. Keep up the good work. I am on the same page.

[@Nunya_Bidness_53]

Yes, at the "parousia" all believers received eternal life either through inward transformation or a resurrection. Now all believers receive eternal life at conversion. Its as Christ said at Lazarus' funeral: "If a man believe in Me, though he were dead, yet shall he live" (the faithful under the Old Covenant awaiting the New will live again even if they die before it goes into effect). "And he who lives and believes in Me shall never die" (those living in the New Covenant era who become believers are transformed inwardly into spiritual/celestial beings and don't need a resurrection)

[@MrCGal220]

The Parousia has not happened yet.

[@Nunya_Bidness_53]

@@MrCGal220 Parousia means visitation or presence. When Jesus was asked "what shall be the sign of your Parousia and of the end of the age?" His answer was to describe in advance the events of A.D.66-70. That was a visitation in judgement rather than as a prophet or deliverer (since they rejected Him as such). The "coming of the LORD upon the clouds" or God riding the clouds with is angel armies in their fiery chariots in a blaze of glory is a common visual/prophetic *metaphor* throughout the OT canon for divine deliverance of the people of God from their enemies. When Christ attaches this imagery to his second coming, it's not meant to be literal, but to say: the apostate Jewish nation which killed the Messiah and persecuted the *true* Covenant people who followed Him would be dealt with, God's people rescued and Jesus publicly vindicated in the events.

[@MrCGal220]

You don't understand the Greek. So, you are being deceived.

[@jimingvaldson7076]

Couple of thoughts Shade, those saints mentioned in Rev 20:4 who reign with Christ for a thousand years did they rule with Him then from a heavenly place? Also, the ones left behind, did they rule here on earth with Him during the millenial? Then live doing so for many many years? Hope you see this. We've been taught quite the line of something with dispensational teaching.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

These are great questions! There are several different views of this... Many good discussions on the topic... I can't say that I know anything 'for sure' on this. That said, my current thoughts are as follows: I think that the Saints received permanent positions...I think the '1000' is symbolic of completion and/or fulness. I think it's a continual ruling from the heavenly host position. Because in Revelation 3, Jesus said that the 'overcomers' would be 'pillars' in God's temple and would 'no more go out'.

[@is2fiftyslowfsport744]

Have we been mislead by misinterpreting the Bible without really understanding what was really said? God help us all if we all have to go through this terrible tribulation period of 7 years, if you have the money 💰 build a bunker and stock up food, smh

[@misfitkid3926]

Would going through tribulation and trials and persecution scare you from the faith? You aren’t better then the master.

[@mochamarie9741]

So, in the New Covenant, in the fulness of the Ecclesia learning how to truly be in the Love of Jesus Christ, the Ecclesia will have this "Rapturous Joy" which spreads love to others, the full operation if the New Covenant on Earth, as His Glory and Righteousness fills the Earth spiritually based in the Bible. There will be healing we could never imagine. Kingdom here but not yet.

[@ronsirard]

Thanks for teaching truth and revealing the false teachers that have more false prophesies than I can count which makes us look like liars and idiots!

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You Brother!

[@billiehensiek3386]

Are you sure it isn't talking about the ones who were left behind, who converted to Yeshua AFTER the rapture? The ones who didn't believe originally, but upon seeing the rapture happen become believers?

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

I suppose that is a possibility. But I can't be sure...that said, it would still mean that the rapture already happened. Thank You for commenting and sharing!

[@JG-xw5rs]

Great teaching! Its a shame some dont get it.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You! And I also think it is a shame that more Christians (or people in general for that matter) don't know the details of the Roman/Jewish war in the first century.

[@candicewitzkoske3155]

It’s a shame many don’t read the Bible!

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@candicewitzkoske3155 ...Ouch! That seems a bit harsh.

[@candicewitzkoske3155]

@@ShadeStoneMusic Gotta wake people up! Can’t be worried about feelings when time is short.

[@donrichardson1429]

SPIRITUALY YES. LITTERAL NO! THAT HAPPENS IN A 4 DAY WINDOW OF A 72 HOUR PERIOD ON OCTOBER 2,3, & 4 2024! Rosh HA SHANNA HEBREW New Year Beginning of New Beginnings!

[@Steve-sv3ln]

Please consider these scriptures: Isaiah 26:19-21❤ I believe possibly the word "Remain" in this verse means those who are still fighting the good fight?

[@OC3707]

As a partial preterist, I think you are reading in what you want to see. Look at the first word of verse 17, "Then" we who are alive and remain shall be caught up. The word "then" implies that what is following occurs at near the same time as what came before. I.E. the rising of the dead to be with Christ. Nothing is said or implied that we must die first. There is no sense of "eventually, decades later" in the text.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

I think the key word is 'remain'. Also, I think Paul is taking it for granted they understand it is after their passing since Paul mentions the 'dead' in all the four verses before.

[@KelvinMann-l1z]

People need to read the Bible you don't have to die to go to heaven when the second comeing of Jesus Christ happens the dead in Christ will rise up then the liveing beleivers in Christ will rise up, then Jesus raptures (destroys the world and all the remaining liveing (People who are no believers) Jesus returns back to earth after 1,000 years ,brings the dead unbealviers back to life and they are judged acording to their works then put to death forever

[@GiselaRadlmair]

The problem is the word "together with them" which leads to misunderstandings .....

[@mochamarie9741]

A Church in Thessalonica is still going today. Did you see that one song from Heaven from a music leader? Powerful. The testimonies coming out. Amazing things.

[@andreastefani2092]

Needed that refresher!. ...you should have added for the people trapped in the 'old view' still, where it says His feet will touch the mount of olives = meaning? My folk still are convinced HE comes for the Jews still , first for the church then for the jews. And also if everything happened already, what purpose was 1948 ....and its apparent prophecy fulfillment , if the endtimes where then and are not now! Still slightly confused😆

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for the message! The Zechariah Passage appears to be allegorical to me. Notice it says 'half of the mountain moves to the north; the other to the south." Literal half mountains don't move to the north or south. What I focus on is that "Jerusalem will be safely inhabited"...I would suggest it's the 'Heavenly Jerusalem' that is being foretold about there. That is what Galatians 4:26 & Hebrews 12:22 say. Jesus said His Kingdom was not of this world. As for 1948, it simply appears to be manipulation of ancient Scriptures.; And as you can see, they are convincing Christians that they should support things that violate the law of love others as self. It really is sad to see. As for the 'end times'...Ephesians 3:21 says it's a 'world without end'. So we are in one of the ages that Ephesians 2:7 said would continue. Hope this helps Sister!

[@andreastefani2092]

@@ShadeStoneMusic thank you ,have to study those scriptures more and then come back to you ...

[@jesusisvictor8493]

Because of what Jesus so clearly said that those who believe in Him will never die, and because several very credibel persons have been allowed to visit heaven where they report to have seen passed on relatives and also saints known from the Bible, my current understanding is that the ressurection in the Bible texts deal with the happening where the spirit bodies of the believers in heaven at that moment receive also an incorruptible physical body. Mr. Shane Stone - do you have any comment on this?

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Great Question! I would still think that the 'changed' body is different than the 'Adam' type body and therefore would not be made up of anything that was 'earthly' and 'corruptible'. I get the sense it would be a superior spiritual body.

[@TammyHicks-wd8yn]

Jesus said one will be taken, one will be left

[@mcba6811]

Doesn’t make sense to me how this is comforting to the believers to basically say the same thing to those who have already died and those who haven’t that they’ll both see Jesus when they die…rather they were expecting to see Jesus to return imminently and were concerned their loved ones who died missed it. Thats why it was comforting to know that they would rise first. Also makes it sound like you don’t believe in a literal second Coming but in acts, the Angels said this same Jesus will return in like manner which was literal and physical but maybe you see this happening at the end of the tribulation after the church suffers the wrath of God?

[@sammcrae8892]

They (apparently) don't believe in any of that, because they say it's already happened. Exactly what is going on now if that's the case -- I haven't heard yet. But, no rapture, tribulation, or millennium -- kinda like Catholics, but not quite. 🙏✝️👑✝️🙏

[@YeshuaReigns2]

Well brother, I see you struck a few nerves with this presentation. Great job! Seriously! Jesus struck plenty of nerves Himself driving the orthodox box of the 1st century rabid dog mad. Nothing new under the sun bro. Anyhow, you are correct in my view. Paul was simply stating to those believers who have mourned the loss of their loved ones not to be worried about those who haved died before Christ's coming...actually presence...in His kingdom...at the end of the OC age. He was merely telling them that they are not forgotten & that they will be the first to enter the kingdom at their resurrection. He wasn't saying that those still alive will instantaneously be metamorphed into their spiritual bodies at the same time. If so, the greek word metamorphoo would have been used. It wasn't. Paul showed a progression. The dead in Christ rise first. The alive ones rise second when their physical body dies. He tells us first the dead rise THEN (AFTER) will those that remain have their turn. I might tell you that first I'm going to do my laundry THEN AFTER, later on, not necessarily immediately...could be 5 hours later, I'll go grocery shopping. But sure as hell I won't be doing laundry & grocery shopping at the same time. Too much of that left behind baloney series has been imprinted on the minds of the Scofield/Darby adherants. So again, the dead in Christ rose FIRST. They tasted death. They slept in the grave till Christ woke them up. Those of us that remain don't sleep. Immediately upon physical death in the twinkling of an eye we are changed into an incorruptible spiritual body. That's what Paul said & meant. Makes sense when Jesus told Martha that even though their loved ones die "yet they shall live (dead in Christ before His coming), and they that live and believe in Me shall NEVER die..."(those remaining after Christ's coming). Since those in Christ no longer sleep in death but rather are given their immortal bodies at the moment of physical death in essence NEVER die! Isn't that great news? It's not called the gospel for nothing! Thanks for presenting truth. The orthoboxers may not like it right now....but....they will eventually. Keep blastin it out bro! Peace.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Well my good Brother...You have given me some great commentaries; but I must say; This commentary I think just took first place!! I can't Thank You enough; first, the encouragement was 'especially' appreciated! LOL; second, the gem You gave me with the word 'metamorphoo' that was Not used my Paul is an amazing affirmation to the position we are taking on this text; thirdly, connecting it with the chat Jesus had with Martha was another great catch. In fact, I think I will read Your commentary a few more times and collect some more gems! I appreciate You Bro.

[@bobbyallison1228]

Much appreciate your interpretation of the "catching up." However, the word translated "together" in 1Thessalonians 4:17 is defined as "at the same time" by Strong's and Thayer. I, just as you, see that this happened when apostate Israel was judged in 70 A.D. In my own humble observations, this is clarified by Hebrews 11:40 "that they should not be made perfect without us" speaking of those in Hebrews 9:15 " the transgressions under the first covenant [OT faithful, asleep]" and "they which are called" being those of John 5:28-29 "all that are in the graves shall hear His voice." Either way, good job in upholding the truth.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for sharing! I appreciate You taking the time to write out the details in sharing Your interpretation with wonderful courtesy. Thank You again!

[@rebeccabriggs2982]

This verse is very straightfoward. Its a reassurance to the living about their deceased loved ones. Those asleep, dead in Christ = people who were believers and died. They rise first. Second, the remaining, still alive believers then rise with the Lord. The word remaining is being used to describe all those remaining alive on Earth who are believers (ie not dead in Christ). This is exactly what this verse says (in a nutshell). Some call it a rapture. And whatever form it took, it seems its already happened. So two groups of believers in the scripture. 1. The dead in Christ 2. The remainder of believers, the still alive. Although I guess there could be no event, but rather a change. A change from being dead in the grave, to being with the Lord. For all believers from that time on.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Seems very reasonable to me. Thank You for sharing!

[@rebeccabriggs2982]

​@@ShadeStoneMusicmaybe a change from being dead in the grave to being with the Lord after death. No actual death, no suffering etc. Although it really seems reincarnation is a thing. And then there are near death experiences which vary greatly.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@rebeccabriggs2982 ...'reincarnation' is quite a topic. Quite controversial in Christianity. I'm not exactly sure why it has been made such a taboo subject to discuss; but it certainly is a topic that can stir the pot.

[@rebeccabriggs2982]

@ShadeStoneMusic yes I agree with your points there on reincarnation, including the controversy. I was shown who I was in my last life, beyond doubt, by various events. I was my Granny's aunt (Florence Jane Muldrock, married name Smith) who was murdered in her own home. Then in this life I met the man who did this (in his last life as Edward Thomas Te Whui, here in New Zealand) and I had his child. It was a terrible decade of my life. I wish I could openly discuss this among Christians. I also had an nde at 17... which was actually terrifying, I was raised Catholic so had no idea what it was. I'm open to hearing these experiences from others because of this and every work God has done in my life. I'm also open to these being in scripture but I do wonder if they only came about with the new covenant.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@rebeccabriggs2982 ...This is quite a testimony. I find this interesting that You are applying these experiences of Yours to the New Covenant. Because I lean towards all things being fulfilled in the First Century, it would appear that some big changes happened in that time frame. Thank You for sharing.

[@williambrewer]

So when do you place the "first resurrection" and start of the millennium? Also, what "change" happened in the twinkling of an eye?

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Great questions! I would place the resurrection in the first century. That said, I have a different opinion about the 'first resurrection'. (I do have a couple videos on this subject). From my point of view, there is only one resurrection; and it already happened. This is the change. (The term second resurrection is nowhere in Scripture) Prior to Christ...there was no Heavenly Jerusalem. All had to 'wait' for the Messiah. Now, we do not have to wait, because He already came and established The New Covenant. Now, when You are finished Your journey here; when You pass, You go straight to meet your Maker. That is the 'change'...we shall not all sleep. I have a video series on this as well... In case You are interested in the details.

[@williambrewer]

@@ShadeStoneMusic okay, thanks. Yeah, I watched all those just now. Personally, I'm much more attracted to a James Stewart Russell kind of approach to full preterism, a pre-millennial approach.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@williambrewer Fair enough Brother. Thank You for taking the time to check out my interpretation.

[@joshuamorris9630]

2 Timothy 3:16 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

[@daniellesinkewicz1738]

Really appreciate this teaching! My husband and I have been on a journey away from our pre-mil/dispensationalist eschatology for the last 6 months. I always questioned pre-mil eschatology and was never very confident about any of it because the exegesis is all over the place, and makes zero sense chronologically. I was also aware of Josephus account of the Jewish Wars, so I was maybe secretly a partial-preterist 😊 I will say that now I am definitely post-millennial after much prayer and study. ✝️🙏🏼

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for sharing this Daniel. I also greatly appreciate You kind words. Very encouraging! GOD bless You and Your husband on Your journey.

[@Nunya_Bidness_53]

Yes, I stopped believing in "immortal souls" when I was 14 and had a long journey from futurism/dispensationalism to historicism to partial then full preterism. It's not easy but it's worth it.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@Nunya_Bidness_53 Thank You for the honest testimony and sharing it with us! PS - It's definitely worth it 💯

[@MrCGal220]

You went from the frying pan into the fire. It is no wonder that you questioned Dispensationalism, but Full Preterism is their cousin.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@MrCGal220 ...I'm sorry You see it that way.

[@chriswilford4657]

You are a soul anything with the breath of life nephesh is a living soul a bird,cat,dog etc is a soul

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

I tend to agree...best as I can tell, You are correct; but I don't think most Christians are under that impression. Thanks for commenting!

[@philOKC]

In verse 15 I have always understood that to mean that when the Lord came in AD 70 the dead in Christ arose first then those that were alive were taken alive into heaven and their natural body was changed, in a twinkling of the eye into an unknown Spiritual body. This explains why there is no written history of the time period post the second coming of Jesus, because all the living believers were caught up to heaven after the dead in Christ had risen, which left no believers behind to write a history of what had happened.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

That is a good interpretation. And it would make sense of why there isn't any writings that we know of between 70AD and 150AD-ish. Thank You for sharing this point of view.

[@trevino37]

in 18:42 into the video -The problem with 1 Thessalonian 4:17 is that we can not assume what Paul might have meant by saying "shall be caught up together with them in the clouds" is after we die. If we do not add implications to verses that many use for the Trinity, how then can we turn and add implications to verse that is also not clearly stated? that is a contradiction to our own thinking. WE do not add implications on verses for the TRINITY but we accept implications for verses towards Preterism....I am a preterist and do agree with you but there is a double standard here in interpretation,

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

I would disagree with you for two specific reasons. One, if I can't assume it's 'after they die'...we can't assume it's 'before' either. So everyone must go with some sort of 'implication' when a text isn't absolutely clear. This text simply isn't very clear. So I have no choice but to choose what I think the writer intends. Also, The word 'remain'...why not simply say: 'then we which are alive shall be caught up'... The word remain has strong implications that to be direct, had Paul not written that word (twice), the text would have been much more clear that living people would 'physically disappear' from the earth. However... Ultimately, even if there were people that were 'snatched away' and disappeared...then it happened to those in the first century; more than likely the ones that escaped to "Pella" in the region of the Decapolis across the Jordan River.

[@trevino37]

@@ShadeStoneMusic I agree with you on the choices and direction taken. However, I think a dispensationalist would disagree with us based on implications that is not there. The trinitarian theology is filled with implications that makes less sense but if we refute the trinity based on their implications, how then can we turn and ask to belief our theology based on implication as well? This is the issue I see on those who refute our theology.

[@mowman7777]

What about 1 Cor 15:51-52 We shall not all sleep but we shall be changed. The dead in Christ shall raise incorruptible and we shall be changed. Sounds to me like those alive will be changed to incorruptible at the same time.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for Your question! If You have the time, please check out the next video...The Rapture already happened part 2; If I recall correctly, I deal with 1st Corinthians 15:51-52 in that video. I also have a Part 3 to cover most of the other questions people have. Both of those videos will give You a better picture of the position. Thanks again!

[@daviator4720]

Truly fascinating Shade ... Thank you for sharing your perspective. It is definitely worthwhile to consider and I can see how some might be challenged in their long held views.... Whole industries have grown up around the non preterism viewpoints.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You Brother Dave! I totally understand what You are saying and You are indeed accurate; it is challenging to all (including myself) to let go of these long held views; I can't help but think that many will have to as time goes on. Love You Bro!

[@1mind1spirit42]

I'd like to add sumpthin' I think is cool. In Genesis 10 there were 70 tribes/nations. So in Matthew 23 where it talks about all the tribes of the earth shall mourn, Jerusalem had 1,000,000 residents in Jesus' day. I'd say all the tribes were represented there.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Great Addition to the commentary section; Thank You so much!

[@kingdavideaglehawk9437]

Greetings, Loved Ones! Since Christ’s resurrection, the dead Christians have been rising spiritually, when they die or shed their flesh, in the order in which they die! Matthew 23 concerned Christ’s generation, while Matthew 24 speaks of both past and a future generation, as Revelation 10, verse 11 reveals! Returning to the Earth is written in Revelation 5, verse 10, mentioned from those who went to Heaven and GOD’S throne! The rest of the dead, also get to live again, after the 1000-years of Lucifer’s imprisonment was completed, mentioned in Revelation 20, verses 4 through 6! Reincarnation is also found in Jeremiah 30, verse 9 and Matthew 11, verses 11 through 15! Christ said, “He (John the Baptist) is Elijah, who is to come.”! Elijah would also return a third time, as one of the 2 Witnesses/Prophets! Love, LORD YAH, Lord Yah Immanuel and Me! Amen!!!!!!! AMEIN!!!!!!! VJS/King David (prophet of YAH and Yah) 05-27-2024!

[@GilbertViveiros]

When Jesus resurrected from the dead, where did his body go?

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Notice that in John 20:17 that Jesus says: Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father. So the body that His disciples saw Him in was not His final glorified body...it was the 'sign of Jonah'. This appears to be His temporal resurrected body as a 'sign' to the first century saints.

[@boardtodeath46]

It is just my opinion, what has been revealed to me personally. But verse 15, the one he started with, means that the first resurrection, the group that awakens to meet him in the air. Are all the spirits of those who died believing in Christ before he was resurrected. So basically, up until Christ died and was resurrected. These are the first. All the spirits of those that died after the resurrection, will wait until after the 1000 years of peace, Armageddon and judgment. These will be the second resurrection. The ones that are alive in Christ when he returns, will be taken up in the air to meet Christ. Afterwards those will return to earth with him and live as he reins 1000 years.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for the reply.

[@duanesheets5484]

Remain after the dead in Christ have risen. How hard is that to understand?

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Fair question indeed.

[@loleki737]

Shade, I appreciate this message. This explains how the early church stayed/survived and helped the kingdom grow. Flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom. Each was judged upon death like us today. It helps me place the saints who rose with Christ (and reigned?) in perspective. They must have had apparitional bodies like Christ but could be seen. They were the first fruits. When Paul comforts the Thessalonians about those who will be resurrected from the dead, I think it was everyone else from time past before Christ's work. Paul uses the phrase "in Christ", though and that's where other camps will say it was believers only who were (or willl be) raised to annihilation or eternal conscious torment. That's not comforting!' Thank you again. It brings me joy to listen to these teachings!

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You Sister; what a great commentary that You have added hear. A great blessing! Interestingly enough, Hebrews 11:26 speaking of Moses says: Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt... Moses was 'esteeming the reproach of Christ' prior to Christ coming into the world. This would support Your position about those 'before Christ's work' as You mentioned. Thanks again Sister!

[@israel_connection]

So are you saying there is only one kind of coming and that is to destroy? Jesus never comes to bring his bride who has fallen asleep (died) to the place he prepared. This verse is a coming of Jesus before 70AD. 1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Fair question. What I am suggesting is that Jesus got His Bride in the first century...The 'firstfruits' were harvested in the first century. The kingdom has been building every since. The Kingdom that was established in the first century is a never ending kingdom; and since Ephesians 3:21 says it's a world without end; it stands to reason that the kingdom will continue to grow over many many more ages.

[@israel_connection]

@@ShadeStoneMusic Love your videos. I was thinking all the people who were resurrected from the dead at Jesus's resurrection were the first fruits (barley) and all that preceded them when they died in Christ would be the ones Jesus would come to get (wheat) all the way to present. Or is there a verse showing that can't be? Then there's a different coming but one of judgment for the ones not willing to enter the new contract with Jesus in 70ad. Because someone who was killed before 70ad was under the altar asking when their death was going to be avenged. If they are waiting to be raised in 70ad at his coming they wouldn't be in heaven under the altar. Jesus received the seat of thrown at his resurrection and now had the right to Judge but told the people who had been killed to wait for the rest of their fellow servants and brethren to die. And then he would serve judgment. That was the filling of the Jews cup.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@israel_connection ...Thank You for the kind words. I think Hebrews 11:39-40 would suggest that the Old Testament Saints along with the First Century Saints were harvested together.

[@jesusisvictor8493]

Mr. Stone - could you please explain here how this corresponds with 1.corinthians 15, 51-52. I cannot make what you explain to fit with that text. But then I am also no expert in any way. My impression is that Paul says that as soon as the dead believers have been raised incorruptible and lifted from the earth, those believers who are alive at that moment will be changed into also incorruptible at that same moment or just seconds or minutes later. And then cought up to those who were just risen from the dead. And then together they will soar to heaven. If this should have happened in the year AD 70 or so there would have been no believer left on the earth. Please please take the time to explain this. I am new to preterism ideas and really would like to know.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for the comment and request! I will post a video on this Scripture within a few days.

[@DannyFesperman]

@@jesusisvictor8493 There were no believers on earth for a period of time after the rapture. In fact, we have no Christian writings from the last few decades of the first century, which is what one would expect if the believers were gone. This is the time period that much doctrinal error was propagated, since there was no one to dispute it.

[@mochamarie9741]

Very well done.

[@paulatkins7009]

TEMPLE, TEXAS . . . I believe the "great gulf fixed" in Luke 16 is vertical, not horizontal or lateral. I believe the "great gulf fixed" is the distance between heaven and earth. I believe Abraham's bosom is the 3rd Heaven. Abraham's bosom is where Abraham was, so the poor man went to the 3rd Heaven where Abraham was. I have never believed in the compartment theory. I am simple-minded. I believe all Old Testament saints' souls went to heaven immediately when they died. The Psalmist said, "The way of life is above to the wise to depart from hell (sheol) beneath." Old Testament saints were waiting for their spiritual resurrection body. I have watched 90% of Don K. Preston's videos. I thoroughly understand his position on all points. The difficulty of watching spending many many hours was frustrating, trying to get to the point. I am very happy with your presentation. People who believe that Old Testament saints went to the lateral compartment in the earth also believe O.T. saints were saved by sacrifices and the law and had to wait for Jesus to be resurrected before going to heaven and believe they are still waiting for their spiritual resurrected body. That is dispensational belief, which I reject entirely. I spent 45 years in the Dispensational camp. I greatly feel now that I finally know the truth. You have helped me get to the 100% starting with the Daniel video. Thank you ! I would like for you to call me and talk. 254-534-0155 Paul

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You Brother Paul! I wrote down your number...that said, if You happen to have a facebook page, maybe we can arrange a quick call there. Video or Audio only.

[@garthportus9527]

good one shade great teaching .

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You Garth!

[@jakstorm3180]

To my knowledge only 144,000 will be taken. 144,000 is not a lot world wide out of billions, this could easily be covered up by our governments or newly formed nwo. The part you need to do is just take it a day at a time and do not let your faith waiver

[@ronaldmitchelll9558]

Yashua is our true NEW JERUSALEM WORLD ORDER LEADER HE REVIVED OUR SPIRITUALLY DEAD SPIRIT THROUGH OUR REPENTANCE TO RECIEVE THE LIVING SPIRIT. SPIRIT BLOOD AND WATER THEY AGREE IN HARMONY 1st John 5:7&8 verses with FATHER -WORD&HOLY SPIRIT

[@rebeccasmith372]

What happened to Jesus's body after he rose from the toomb?

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

1st John 3:2 suggests to me that He ascended into heaven to receive His full glorification. John 20:17 suggests the same. Hope this helps!

[@kevindavis3841]

Thank you brother Shade🙏🏻 Very timely message

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You Brother Kevin. I appreciate You Bro!

[@craigtaylor5378]

Great teaching, don’t aptly any attention to the wolves I sheep clothing trying to rip you to peices. My hope isnt some silly rapture, it’s in the finished work of the cross.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for the encouragement Brother Craig; Greatly Appreciated!

[@craigtaylor5378]

@@ShadeStoneMusic narrow is the road my friend as you well know. And few there be that find it!!!!!😆 I know I maybe gave that one a stretch to apply but maybe not. What I have found extremely strange about “ Christian “ people and yes please note that I put it in quotations for a reason, is most arnt Christians at all in my opinion, they are religious fanatics who are brainwashed and should anyone , debate their interpretations, especially on the rapture, they are “ false prophets” , or the devil themselves. To me this just simply points out how weak they truly are in their beliefs on the issue and maybe don’t know God at all. I grew up heavy on the teaching and the “ son of a preacher man” as the song goes. Heavy in the “ church “ and condemned and ridiculed and labeled “ not saved” etc etc all because my relationship and understanding of scripture doesn’t fit theirs. It’s sad to have to deal with all the damage this has caused in so many , all over “ the rapture” . I’m just a man whose blessed to be washed in his blood, far from perfect, and not expecting to be wisped into thin air any time soon with my shoes and belt left on my truck seat beside my 8 year old daughter who will be “ left behind” to perish for seven years while I eat chocolate cake in heaven. 🤣 sorry, not the God I know I love that gave his life for me . Cheers brother.

[@itsintheword230]

Enoch nor Elijah passed on and went to heaven, Jesus has a physical body in heaven as John describes Him in Revelation chp 1 and when the Elders bowed before Him, Jesus also appeared physicallyto the Apostles right before Pentecost......also Paul specifically said vs 17 THEN WE WHICH ARE ALIVE WILL BE CAUGHT UP TOGETHER....together means to be included with those that have risen at the same time. You also mentioned in your video that jesus christ had a spiritual return.However, Paul just described in 1 thessalonias that it was physical. So whats next for the Earth and Christians?

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for sharing these points. These are all good interpretations, and I understand why many folks would agree with You. That said...it says 'we which are alive "and remain" will be...this implies that there are people who 'remain'...at least for a while...and they will (future tense) eventually be together with them. Beyond that, even if one decides this was incorrect, it doesn't change the position that Jesus said it would all happen in that generation. Paul also says it's a 'spiritual body' in 1st Corinthians 15; and even if someone disagrees, there are several times in Scripture where one or more people don't see something or someone that another person does actually see. Not everyone saw Jesus after resurrection. Just some people witnessed it. As for what we can do now...let's shine the love of God and His Christ in this world. These are things You may want to consider. Thank You again for commenting.

[@jrclark9019]

This is beyond a false teaching, if it causes even one person to lose hope, .... it's heresy.

[@nortfroggirl]

Gives me hope! I'm now longer worried about Jesus coming while I'm watching a movie, gardening, getting married! I know people who thought they shouldn't marry or have children bc Jesus was coming soon! That's so wrong!

[@monicashuart-ls1hw]

What about Hebrew 9:27 don't some understand, it is appointed for man to "DIE" then the judgement. It's sad that some are deceived or in denial.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for sharing this comment!

[@WatcherNine]

Nope.

[@lavieenrose5954]

Yup ❤

[@mochamarie9741]

Listen to Sandi Patti song "Upon This Rock". The Church is Forever and Satan's accuser Kingdom is sinking sand.

[@corruptauthor]

Didnt paul say we shall not sleep?

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

He said: 'We shall not all sleep; but we shall all be changed'...I have a part two and three to this. I explain what I think Paul means by this. A quick hint...When You pass on...You won't wait...you won't 'sleep'...because Christ has already come. Now, You go straight to the judgment seat. Thanks for commenting.

[@corruptauthor]

@@ShadeStoneMusic I did see a verse in revelations that's said, "blessed are those that die in the lord from this moment on. "I wondered what changed why make this statement

[@spectator6656]

Jesus said dont look for me, and if they say they are dont believe them 😂

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

I've never looked at it from that angle. Fair statement.

[@ginojones5857]

When you want to brainwash someone, the first thing you need to do is redefine words and phrases, and that's what you did by going first to verse 15 and take it out of context. So let me start at the beginning (verse 13) and keep everything in context. Verse 13. Paul wants the Christians at Thessalonica to be informed about Christians who have died and their souls have gone to heaven. Verse 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, God will bring with Him (Jesus) the souls of those who have died in Christ. Verse 15 For by the word of the Lord, those of US who are still ALIVE and REMAIN on EARTH until the coming of the Lord shall by no means go ahead of those Christians who have died. Verse 16 For the Lord will descend out of Heaven with a shout, the voice of the archangel and the trumpet of God, and the DEAD in Christ will rise FIRST (out of their graves). Verse 17 Then WE who are ALIVE and REMAIN on EARTH at His COMING will be CAUGHT UP (Rapture) TOGETHER with THEM (Christians who have died) in the clouds and MEET the Lord in the air, and thus WE (the Church) will ALWAYS be with the Lord. Notice how I don't need to tap dance for almost a half hour to explain such a simple thing.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for sharing Your point of view. I noted how You are interpreting the section. In that process, I noticed that You are essentially making this about 'us' in 2024 when Paul was saying that event was going to happen to 'them' in the First Century. Also, I'm not sure how You are interpreting 'remain'...but it seems to me that You are interpreting that to be the opposite of 'remain'. So Your 'simple' approach to the Scripture ignores audience relevance, all time statements, and basic definitions of words. This is what I notices. I don't interpret that way. Thanks again.

[@ginojones5857]

@@ShadeStoneMusic I completely disagree that this had to happen in Paul's lifetime. When you add II Thessalonians 2:1,3,4 it makes it clear 1 "Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him" 3 "for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. THIS HASN'T HAPPENED YET. As far as [remain] it's clear that 'alive and remain are adjectives that are subjects of WE, as in WE are still alive and WE are still on planet earth, and not as a verb, to stay behind.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@ginojones5857 ...Actually, 2nd Thessalonians Chapter One makes it clear that it was all going to happen in the First Century. Look at verse 6: 'Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you'; Who is the 'you' in that line? First Century Saints is the answer. Who is the 'them' in that line? First Century Persecutors of the Saints. Without 'audience relevance' you will miss that Paul is clearly saying this is all going to happen in the First Century.

[@KelvinMann-l1z]

Amen you are 100%correct mate ,this video is total rubbish he's misleading everyone people need to read their bibles, you know what your talking about ,nice to see, 👍👍👍

[@jeffjeff8562]

Your incorrect translation leads you to believe the lie. The CORRECTED translation of 1 Thess 4:15 reads ""FOR THIS WE COMMUNICATE TO YOUR ADVANTAGE BY MEANS OF THE WORD OF THE LORD, "WE, THE ONES REMAINING ALIVE, WITH REFERENCE TO THE COMING OF THE LORD, SHALL ABSOLUTELY NOT PRECEDE THE ONES WHO KEEP ON BEING DEAD.""

[@rustynew9592]

Yeah, keep working on that, you'll get there. Enoch, Noah, Lot, Zec 14:5, Acts 1:11, etc, etc, etc. Besides, it seems like Paul might have written that while he was still alive.

[@KarrieJo77]

We who remain also could be (we) still alive! Be careful, false prophecy! For no one should lead a soul astray!

[@mochamarie9741]

I think Sheol is empty. We are in the Age to Come!!!

[@GilbertViveiros]

Enoch + Elijah were raptured before they saw death

[@TheNaruto2314]

Revalation 9. The word dinosaur only came around 300 years ago. Dinosaurs were called dragons before that or large lizards like the komodo dragon. It's stated a star will fall and ash will rise. That wiped out the dinosaurs. We also know humans existed during the late period dinosaurs did. Locusts poisoned rivers blood etc are all the same as volcanic eruptions due to a massive impact. Acid rain. 1/3 forest all grass 1/3 river the ocean.

[@MrCGal220]

Guess what Shade? The Messianic age was inaugurated at the first advent of Christ in "the fullness of time" (Galatians 4:4). Unless you understand wha the fullness of time is about, you should not teach what you don't know. The fullness of time is also '"the fullness of the times" (Ephesians 3:10). This is when the administration of the mystery of the Gospel of the kingdom began with John the Baptist and Jesus (Mark 1:15; Luke 16:16). This was the beginning of the last days! This is the period of the restoration of fortunes (Isaiah 49; 61), which Jesus clearly began to carry out in His ministry. The apostles continued administering (oikonomia) that mystery (1 Corinthians 2:7; 4:1; Ephesians 3, which was hidden in past ages (Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:26; Romans 16:25), but NOW revealed through the preaching of the Gospel by the apostles and the church (Romans 16:26; Ephesians 3:5; 10). What was the purpose of the revelation of this mystery? To reconcile unto Himself all things on earth and in heaven (Colossians 1:20) by making peace through the shed blood of Jesus. Paul continues to peak of this reconciliation in verses 21-22: "Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation...." The ministry of reconciliation is the way in which God restores all things in "the day of salvation" and "the day of the Lord's favor" (Isaiah 49:8; 2 Corinthians 6:2). Full Preterists think that the Messianic age began in 70 AD. This is horribly wrong! The Messianic age IS THE RESTORATION and it takes place through the preaching of the Gospel. We know this because the restoration began with John the Baptist (Malachi 4:5-6; Matthew 11:7-15; 17:12; Mark 9:12) and Jesus (Isaiah 35:5; 42:7, 16; 49; 61; Jeremiah 31:8; Matthew 11:1-6; 12:22; 15: 30-31; 20:30; 21:14; Mark 8:22; 10:46; Luke 4:18-19; 7:18-23; 14:13; 21; 18:35; John 5:3; 9:1-41; 10:21; 11:37). This was the year of Jubilee! Jesus released the captives (and that doesn't mean spirits from Hades). He was releasing living people from bondage by setting them free from their sins. We see this in Psalm 68 and 107 and Isaiah 42 and 49 and 61. We see it in 2 Corinthians 2:14 and 6:2 and Ephesians 4:8 - this is the freedom that the Gospel brings! This is what restores all things. And guess what? The Gospel continues to be preached. This is still the day of salvation! People are still entering into His rest. The restoration continues. Therefore, not everything is fulfilled, but this is the fullness of the ages - the year of Jubilee! The Messianic age is not the end, but the beginning of the restoration. ONLY when Christ returns in His Parousia will everything be restored! As long as the Gospel is being preached, not everything is restored. So, 70 AD, has NOTHING to do with the restoration! It was a judgment against Jerusalem and Israel for their unbelief. However, the growth of the kingdom since the city was destroyed has been exponential. God has sent His servants into the highways and the byways to compel the nations to come in (Matthew 22:7-10). People are still being invited to the wedding feast. The door to the banquet hall remains open for now, but one day at the Lord's Parousia, it will be shut (Matthew 25:10).

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for sharing Your point of view.

[@thecure728]

So if Yeshua, Jesus was the first fruits of the resurrection,ie, the first example of what would happen to all after, then why was his tomb empty? Or do you not believe his body was made a spiritual one? And what about the thousand year reign,?? In the final new Jerusalem, which you think is the only thing still coming right, it says we will still ovserve the feasts . Why if the "mosaic age" was destroyed? Isnt it a renewed covenant as it always was?

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Great questions! In John 20:17 Jesus says: Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: So Jesus was resurrected bodily; but I don't believe He was fully glorified until He ascended. Now He is a 'quickening Spirit'; (1st Corinthians 15:45). The New Jerusalem is the Spiritual Kingdom that does not come with observation in my opinion. Also know as the Heavenly Jerusalem. We are under the New Covenant which I believe has only one main Law; 'love God and your neighbor as yourself.'

[@thecure728]

@@ShadeStoneMusic Thank you for your reply. Ive always wondered why he said touch me not, and why his deciples didn't recognize him. I'm fascinated by preterism having turned partial myself over the years. One m more question: how do we love God and how do we love our neighbors?? Is it up to our own opinions? Thank you.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@thecure728 ...Thank You! And another great question! If we look at this commandment which Jesus said is the 'greatest commandment', You will notice that 'loving your neighbor' is how you 'love God'; Mark 12:30-31 - And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. Notice He says the 'second' is like the 'first'...then Jesus ties them together by using the singular word 'commandment' for both commandments...I would suggest He is saying they are one in the same commandment. And How I 'love my neighbor' is doing my best to really examine myself and ask 'how would I want to be treated in this situation'. This helps my behavior and my attitude but at the same time prevents me from false virtue signaling and complacency. Hope this helps!

[@ChristCenteredEschatology]

Excellent. The rapture verses are really verses about the resurrection and the second coming which already happened. 1 Corinthians 15, 1 Thessalonians 4 & 5, and Matthew 24 & 25 all speak to the same event.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Boom! Thanks so much for sharing this comment and adding the Scriptures that tie in so well. I greatly appreciate this message!

[@4thefuturefrost409]

I really hope that your not intentionally confusing His children. What you are saying seems to be right.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

It's certainly not my intention. Thank You for the gentle manner in which You approached Your comment. Grace & Peace.

[@4thefuturefrost409]

@@ShadeStoneMusic yes, what your proposing is tough to chew. Reading the comments left by those offended, are harsh.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@4thefuturefrost409 ...Thank You for this comment. Yes, I agree...That's why I try to remind everyone about the 'greatest commandment'. That includes me; so since 'love is patient'...I must try to be as patient as is in me to be. Kind comments like Yours helps.

[@dfkuz]

Preterism is an explanation for why the end time prophecies of the Jews obviously did not happen. Mid Acts Dispensationalism believes those end time prophecies were postponed and that 1 Thess 4:13-18 will happen when prophecy is resumed. But there’s a better explanation and that is that because of the Jews’ national rejection of the Messiah, God gave Judah and by extension, Israel, a FINAL DIVORCE at the close of Acts and revealed the MYSTERY to Paul. The mystery (Ephesians 3:9 KJV) is the operating system ever since and it will remain the operating system right to and through the appearing (return to earth) of our Saviour Jesus Christ and his receiving of his (not Israel’s) kingdom (Colossians 3:4; 1:13 KJV). Prophecy ended and was permanently canceled at Acts 28:28-31 and is never to resume! (Does Paul ever mention it again?). Heathen like everyone today were never even allowed to be saved until Acts ended with Paul’s words in Acts 28:28 KJV and wrote the gospel (Eph 2:8&9), doctrine, and hope that applies specifically to us believing heathen (“the faithful in Christ Jesus,” Eph 1:1 KJV) in his circular epistles of Ephesians and Colossians. How God now views humanity is presented in Colossians 3:11 KJV. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 does not apply to us as it is according to the scriptures (prophecy, Romans 16:25; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and concerned the second coming to earth of a very real Messiah. We are saved according to the mystery, Ephesians 3:6 KJV, and have been translated with the saints of time past into the kingdom (earth restored) of Col 1:13, where we will be joined together with them to make the “one new man” of Ephesians 2:15 KJV. We are not leaving earth, people! That’s what Satan wants you to believe because he desperately wants us gone.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for sharing Your point of view.

[@dfkuz]

@@ShadeStoneMusic In other words you have no idea how to disprove my thesis.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@dfkuz No. I could indeed disprove it. But it would appear to me that you are sold on your own interpretation. So there is no point in trying to convince you otherwise. I simply don't see an opportunity for edification in this case.

[@dfkuz]

@@ShadeStoneMusic It's obvious that you don't know me because I authored a novel in 2007 (that was published by an independent publisher) called, "Covenant With My Chosen," by Deborah L. Kuzenski, where I have the rapture on the first page and the chosen people get their prophesied kingdom on the last page. It's written from a Mid Acts dispensational POV, but I subsequently moved to an Acts 28 position a few years later. When I listened to the teaching of Rick Aden (who is a Preterist, btw), on his KZbin channel, "Are You Muddy?" I learned some facts that I hadn't internalized prior, like the fact that there were no regular Gentiles saved during the Acts period; only those called "Greeks," who were the subjects of Old Testament prophecies like Deut. 32:21 (angered/provoked by a foolish nation) and Isaiah 60:3 (Gentiles to Israel's rising); and that regular heathen Gentiles were only invited to be saved after Acts ended in failure of the chosen people receiving their kingdom and the mystery was introduced by Paul. So I've made several moves in the right direction and I'm more than capable of doing it again. I would love to read your thoughts on my theory that the end time prophecy of the nation of Judah has been, not postponed, but canceled completely.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@dfkuz ...Congrats on your novel writing. That is quite an accomplishment. As for my thoughts on your theory; I don't want to get in the way of your journey. If you see 'cancellation'; then that is what you see; I'm not inclined to change your mind. I on the other hand, see fulfillment and then continuing ages and a world without end. So the lens that I use to interpret Scripture is quite a bit different than yours.

[@1mind1spirit42]

I would say one thing. It is not Jesus that moves the kings, as you say, "like father like son". It is God who makes Christ's enemies his footstool. It was Christ's prophecy that was fulfilled in the clouds that Josephus described. This prophecy Jesus spoke was from the Father. Jesus came in his father's name speaking for father. The Jerusalem above is prepared by God. Not his son. Preterism has much truth. But being immersed in an ism one can miss greater truths. I'm not saying the rapture hasn't already happened. But I hold that in God's timing every one will be caught up in the cloud of witnesses, which are the clouds Paul is referring to in Thessalonians. Just food for thought.

[@jesusisvictor8493]

I googled : the man of lawlessness in preterism and a lot of interesting matrial was found.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Yes indeed! There are candidates that is for sure; I will try to remember to ask Don what his guess is the next time we communicate. Thank You again!

[@glennorrell3446]

Matthew 24:34 "34Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened." You and I disagree on this since I see this passage referring to the future generation in which this will take place. Persecution will come to all those who believe in Jesus is what this passage is saying and refurs to Jesus 2nd coming which you say has happened as a rapture. And what about the tribulation period? You say it has already taken place - but there are things in the tribulation period that I believe could not have yet happened. Matthew 18: 2-5"2He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. 3And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5And whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me." I'm sure you have more to say that what I know, although I do believe the destruction of the temple was punishment to Jeruselum. Like those who say the gifts of the Spirit are not for today since Paul said the gifts would cease but those who believe this fail to read the rest of the passage which says they will cease when? 1 Corinthians 13: 8-12 "8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known." Therefore, the gifts will cease when we are fully perfected when we See Jesus face to face and not before.

[@trevino37]

I enjoy your introduction and your teaching...quite clear and understandable...hope to see more of these videos that provides a fuller view of preterism that is seriously lacking. Seem many preach and teach the general concept of preterism while leaving out the rest with the specifics. Its like a blanket with many large holes because no one cares to teach the whole concept from beginning to end. yes I have seen others like Don Preston and others but all seem to speak in general terms. Thank you for taking the time to respond to this question,

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You! There are some others I do want to get to. Lord willing, we will get there.

[@glennorrell3446]

Yes, flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God but that is why Jesus taught that we must be born again - in this life not the one to come. Therefore flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God but we who believe have the Spirit of God living in us and have been made righteous in our spirit thru the Holy Spirit. As Jesus said the Kingdom of God is at hand and thru being born again we enter this kingdom. Otherwise what you are saying is that Paul negates what Jesus is saying.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

I think a spiritual regeneration is different than what Paul is talking about in 1st Thessalonians.

[@ronaldmitchelll9558]

Blessebd

[@Steve-sv3ln]

I believe when Jesus says "This Generation" in scripture that, He's referring to the New Testament Covenant period of God's Grace. I believe the "Rapture" could possibly be The First Ressurection discussed in Revelation 20:5&6? Meaning there is no "Pre Millennial" "Rapture". I don't like this word for some reason? I just don't get a good discernment on the word "Rapture"? These scriptures still have me believing that there could be a "Pre-Millenial" event that John Darby called the "Rapture". This was a man who thought it good to write his own version of the bible. I'm just not buying it. There are no new Prophets after Christ. I'm sorry, but the word Rapture just has never settled into my heart. 🤔❤️ May, we seek, Jesus, for true interpretation, first. And with the help of sin ete elders in our church.❤

[@djsoulfilter]

This is false teaching!!!

[@KelvinMann-l1z]

You are 100% correct this video is very misleading hes talking a load of rubbish hes missleading everyone, people need to read their bibles,

[@rogerkreil3314]

Interesting….

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You! I think it is at least worth considering.

[@katyc.1969]

now I am officially despondent....so we are left to "fight it out here on earth?" this crappy world is all there is for us and our children??? death is the only way out? Christ appeared in a physical body.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

I can understand the 'first reaction'. That said, think about all the folks before us. They had to pass away physically as well. And yes, Jesus appeared in physical...but now He is a 'Quickening Spirit'; 1st Corinthians 15:45. Hope this helps to encourage you.

[@katyc.1969]

@@ShadeStoneMusic thank you for your reply. Life been living hell for me and sons and I am feeling disoriented right now. Most of what I have been taught is upended. trying to find my feet and still praising my Savior.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

@@katyc.1969 ...I sincerely know how you feel. Most of us have the same testimony; especially at the front end. But it does get better when many of the questions you one time had that were never answered, begin to get answered. God bless you!

[@tlawhon]

Wait, Jesus already came back in 70 AD?? I'm kinda new to this stuff...please explain?

[@johnmcook1]

No that is wrong. The remain is right though. 70 was a judgement and prophecy fulfilled. like nineveh had 40 days they had 40 years and god brought destruction on them. He comes in the clouds all will see the evil will be consumed and become smoke we will REMAIN

[@sammcrae8892]

Wow, I've often wondered what the deal was with full preterist believers, but it's been kinda hard to find any, I think I can see why that is now. Now I'll concede that some of what you say about the 70 AD events, but by no means all of them. You (respectfully and lovingly I say this) seem to be someone who would be excellent at straining at gnats, and swallowing camels. I'll admit that you are well versed in your exposition of preterist eschatology; but I'm just not seeing it. (The whole preterist thing) I'm just not seeing it. But so long as you hold to the Gospel, I guess it's like Mike Heiser said: God's willing to let us have some weird theology, so long as we get the Gospel right. So far that seems to sum it up for this. I think that you are wrong on practically EVERYTHING, but so long as you are saved, I guess we'll all find out eventually. Be prepared (and this is for all of us) to be surprised! 🙏✝️👑✝️🙏

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

In a nutshell...I think you are saying...Thank GOD for the grace of GOD!! Thanks for the message and I really do appreciate the honesty of your view delivered in a polite way.

[@ivangodin1850]

Every once in a while it comes. A guy with a special revelation. A guy that figured it all in his basement in front of his computer. A guy especially chosen by God to be given exclusive revelations. A guy who understands the Scriptures like no one else could. A guy who would cry to persecution because Christian opposition will follow...

[@michelhaineault6654]

This is clear Jesus return already happen.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You Brother!

[@SonShines1]

If I in heaven I want out

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

You're not in 'heaven'...You're on earth...I would suggest You're outside 'the Holy City'...Revelation 22:14-15. Something to think about.

[@lucianmaximus4741]

GOD-MAN * THE WORD MADE FLESH :: JESUS CHRIST IS GOD -- HE started as the "SON of GOD", but by the end of HIS earthly mission (Crucifixion and then Resurrection), JESUS CHRIST became 100% GOD.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You for commenting. So are you a 'modelist'? I'm just curious. Because it appears that is what you are communicating.

[@lannette2827]

I’ve been learning Preterist view for 16 years. This is the clearest I have heard the main topic taught! Thank you so much! ❤

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Thank You so much for the encouraging message. They really do help keep me motivated. I greatly appreciate this Sister!

[@wonka822]

Thank you Shade. I'm learning a lot from your teachings. God bless

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

I'm so happy to hear that these presentations are helpful to you.

[@joshuamorris9630]

I believe The Rapture already happened in their generation

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

That is definitely a fair interpretation. Some people have read some things out of the writings of Josephus and Tacitus that could be confirming this position. Hearing voices saying 'lets remove hence'! Things of that nature. Thanks for sharing!

[@camdenomdahl5770]

If you could please prove the rapture is biblical in the first place, without using 1 Thessalonians 4…

[@uncheckers]

1Corinth 15:51-52

[@Ryan-rh8rn]

Yeah sorry bro you're reading that wrong. Besides it says that all eyes will see Jesus coming in the clouds in glory. It has not been possible until now for that to happen because of technology and cameras and cell phones.

[@ShadeStoneMusic]

Fair enough. Thanks for considering the view. Grace & Peace.

[@davidturner1115]

Until your fellow brotheren have died as you have died. Baptism I didn't hear you say anything about it. This is dieing also to your self of sin nature. As ones crying out are our brothers and sisters in Christ waiting for more to baptize in Jesus name. After all the Son Jesus kept us all in the Father's name. Both doing what the Father said. In John 17. As seeing visions most of days from 2017 eclipse to now . As looking on would see ones going in grave clothes to be with other. Seeing them practicing coming out of grave also. Ones coming back to go from town to town super fast and need nothing with them. Two by two.❤️