The REAL 'Firebrand' | The Unlucky Protestant Queen | Katherine Parr | Henry VIII's Sixth Wife

[@altinaykor364]

imagine falling in love with someone, spending years thinking you and him are star-crossed lovers because of an arranged marriage, finally being able to be with him, only for him to try to groom your stepdaughter behind your back😟although I can say out of all Henry VIII's wives, Katherine Parr might have had an adventurous life which was also fortunately successful and not tragic, but this one detail is really a pesky one, considering it broke her as well, the way she didn't forgot it, even in her deathbed💔💔💔

[@jawo8754]

It wasn’t behind her back though. She was a part of it and supposedly during one of the “romps” she held Elizabeth while he tore her dress. She didn’t regret it until she was pregnant and sent Elizabeth to another guardian.

[@HistorysForgottenPeople]

I know, I really do feel for Katherine in that regard. I think it also shows how easily someone can be manipulated by the wrong person, and it's nothing to do with intelligence or confidence, Thomas just absolutely fed on Katherine's emotional state and twisted it for his own ends.

[@aciemahon9248]

I think Catherine would have been lucky if she did not marry Thomas Seymour. Henry left her a wealthy widow. Plus she had the affections of Princess Elizabeth .

[@Butterflypegasus40]

Such a shame her husband before henry viii didn't have kids together then she probably wouldn't have married that fat jerk henry or pervert thomas.

[@ElizabethMcCormick-s2n]

Poor Catherine!

[@glengrieve544]

Anne of cleaves was I believe Henry the eighths luckiest wife at least she saved herself by agreeing to divorce the King therefore saving her head 🎉❤🎉 watching from Melbourne Australia 😊

[@astrohaterade]

I feel like Karherine Parr is generally under appreciated. She was a scholar when women weren’t generally considered capable of being such, and she was savvy. I really enjoy learning about her and I’m really glad you’ve featured her.

[@cmm5542]

I agree she isn't properly appreciated, but scholarship actually was expected of noblewomen in the Renaissance period. Just not common women (or men).

[@Butterflypegasus40]

I could see her in modern times being an ivy league professor.

[@HistorysForgottenPeople]

Thank you so much, I'm glad you enjoyed it! ☺

[@kevinjamesparr552]

I am glad that this narrator agreed that Kate Parr was born in London . Yours Sir Kevin Parr ,Bart

[@lilacgirl-z8w]

​@@HistorysForgottenPeoplewhich tudor queen do you think you could have been friends with?

[@i.p.956]

I feel so sad for the little baby Mary. She was just forgotten by history and just disappeared even though she had such noble blood.

[@RavenIdril2966]

Well just remember she's with her mother now.

[@chrisschepper9312]

She ain't with no one. She's dead.

[@HeyYouShouldSmile]

@@chrisschepper9312 No need to be rude

[@NC-ij9rb]

Didn't she die in childhood tho?

[@Beth-mi2hf]

She was evil

[@tamracochran1796]

This was an excellent documentary, but for the comments concerning Elizabeth and Katherine's husband. Elizabeth had no culpability in the matter as she was only a child. Katherine had nothing to "forgive" Elizabeth for and she recognized this in her continuing correspondence with Elizabeth. When Katherine realized what the situation was, she acted to protect Elizabeth in probably the only way she could at the time by sending her away. It is tragic that she and Elizabeth had become so close and that she never saw Elizabeth again. It seems that this is the only mother - daughter relationship that either of them ever had and that Katherine's true legacy may have been in her influence on the future queen of England.

[@HistorysForgottenPeople]

Oh, I absolutely agree, Elizabeth was a child and had nothing to be sorry for at all. I'm simply presenting that part with the letter as evidence that something had gone on, and also to view it from the POV of Katherine herself, remembering that she might have seen the situation in a different light - regardless of whether she was right or not. Katherine definitely (in my humble opinion) was the closest Elizabeth came to having a mother, other than through her relationship with Kat Ashley.

[@RavenIdril2966]

Who do you think was henry's smartest wife anne boleyn or katherine parr?​@@HistorysForgottenPeople

[@Butterflypegasus40]

​@@HistorysForgottenPeopleI hope the firebrand moviemaker s asked people like you on how Parr really was.

[@cplmpcocptcl6306]

I greatly enjoyed your breakdown of Henry8’s wives. Especially not following the Anne of Cleeves was ugly, and the kind way you spoke of Catherine the poor child bride. Outstanding.👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@cplmpcocptcl6306]

Omg. *Henry a self imposed widower… I’m ROTFLMAO.😂😂😂

[@carriekelly4186]

Yes well 👍🏼 done.🦋🙏🏼❤️💐⭐

[@lilacgirl-z8w]

All the queens were made into human beings with their talents and flaws.

[@Hailey-mx4kc]

So sad how her body was disrespected many times after her death 😢

[@hollyoconnor2745]

Catherine Parr deserved much better; as well as her daughter, Mary. Who knows what would happen to both of them had they not met their tragic ends so soon in their lifetimes

[@RavenIdril2966]

Maud was smart not to remarry. Her new husband would try to steal her kids inheritance .

[@lukesguywalker]

I've always been fascinated by her, but I'll always be confused about her part in Elizabeth's relationship with her husband. I know it's been centuries but it just seems so out of character with everything else that's known about her

[@RavenIdril2966]

I wonder if she and anne of cleves were friends?

[@di3486]

Confused? Not really. She was blind of love for Seymour. Trying to stay blind to his true nature is normal when in a relationship like that.

[@tamracochran1796]

I think she did not see what she did not want to see, but when she came upon them in each other's arms she had to see it to protect Elizabeth and she did.

[@cmm5542]

We have to remember that all the information we have about this 'affair' are court documents for a case trying to prove Seymour was a traitor. It was almost as trumped-up as Anne Boleyn's. How much of it was made-up celebrity gossip we will never know. Elizabeth was potentially implicated. Her governess Kat had to make it sound like Seymour was stalking her without her consent, or the mere fact that a betrothal suggestion had been RAISED before Seymour married Parr (if again, that is true and not mere gossip), Elizabeth would have been executed for considering marriage options without the king's permission. Seymour was already doomed, so better to blacken him further than risk Elizabeth's life as well. Katherine was I believe already dead so tarnishing her reputation to save Elizabeth was again something Kat would have seen as worth it.

[@Kim-gv5bw]

Have you researched this?The cutting off of Elizabeth's black mourning gown by Seymour assisted by Katherine?The beginning of the end to this abuse and harassment by Seymour towards an innocent adolescent,who thenceforth avoided Seymour's invasions of her bedchamber by being dressed early and having an attendant with her.Distgusting to suggest that this child encouraged his advances.Pervert who got what he deserved.

[@MountainGoddess314]

So many Katherines, Henry's & Elizabeth's, it can get confusing.

[@Bellarose-r8u]

Katherine Parr is often overlooked or forgotten,when she met Tom seymour,she proberly thought of him as her star crossed lover,having to smile and pretend to be happy being married to a fat,short tempered and ugly king then having her husband whom she loved and waited for a long time,grooming her stepdaughetr (proberly was 13 or 14) it broke her heart. RIP Katherine Parr

[@helpinyerdasellavon]

Thank you for this amazing video on Katherine Parr. Beautifully presented as always. Excellent work 😊❤

[@HistorysForgottenPeople]

Thank you so much, I'm glad you enjoyed it! ☺

[@jenford7078]

So well done, as always! Speaking of H VIII's death, I wonder was he diabetic?

[@RavenIdril2966]

Can you now do philip ii of Spain 4 wives?

[@HeyYouShouldSmile]

It wouldn't suprise me if he was

[@HistorysForgottenPeople]

It's definitely possible! I always wonder that actually, with the pain in his legs, as diabetes can often damage the nerves in your legs.

[@paden1865able]

Diabetic neuropathy can be painful and debilitating for those who suffer from it. Diabetes can also slow or prevent the healing of wounds, as well as causing cysts and ulcers. Losing weight is also difficult, which also makes it worse. The diet of the king didn't help by a long shot because he had no clue about what moderation meant.

[@zarni000]

Unquestionably

[@JM-The_Curious]

This was interesting, thanks. Most vids don't say a lot about Katherine's first husbands, so it was good to hear something about them, especially the first husband.

[@HistorysForgottenPeople]

Glad you enjoyed it! ☺It's true, plus for a long time there was confusion over who Katherine actually married, so everyone thought she had a pattern of marrying dying old men. 😂

[@RavenIdril2966]

​@@HistorysForgottenPeopleKatherine Parr's second husband should never had died. Her life wouldn't have been marred by Henry viii and Thomas Seymour both men who didn't deserve her.

[@lilacgirl-z8w]

​@@HistorysForgottenPeopleKatherine Parr was borne in the wrong time period.

[@drunio1504]

Wonderful images stir & sustains our interest throughout. Kudos. 🇬🇧

[@carriekelly4186]

Thank you so much for your work on this production. I hadnt much knowledge of what went on in Henry's marriage to Katherine Parr. Let alone keep their names straight with all the Anns,Katherines,Etc..Just glad this brought the end to the episode of Henry the Eighth and all the people that were wrongly put to death by his plans. Hardly got what he planned for with Edward's passing at 15. Hmm. Sad yes,all around what a terrible soap opera.

[@Butterflypegasus40]

There needs to be a tv series about Parr before, during and after henry viii.

[@lilacgirl-z8w]

I want that too.

[@lilacgirl-z8w]

I feel sorry for her and her daughter.

[@FatcatandFriends]

God, I’m so glad I found this channel!!

[@Andy_Babb]

Thank you again!

[@Ccamero123]

People have the misconception that Henry V111 was a Protestant. He was not.

[@jenniferk.7023]

Once titled "defender" of the Catholic church, Henry's personal circumstances would drive him to break his Catholic ties and found the Church of England, and made himself the head of it.

[@Butterflypegasus40]

She had the worst luck with husbands.

[@Celeste-bx8my]

Definitely

[@EmilyGloeggler7984]

Amen.

[@lilacgirl-z8w]

At least her first two husbands were apparently decent men.

[@Celeste-bx8my]

It seems so

[@julijakeit]

28:05 I can imagine Katherine Parr crying not because of attachment but in realization that she was free and survived a wife-killing monster.

[@MaliciousMalcontent]

Baron Burgh part reads like the mr. Hu's coming to dinner skit. 😂

[@MichelleBruce-lo4oc]

Hi, awesome live history video. I enjoyed it. How are you doing? I'm doing well and so is my cat Benjamin. In the next video in the future could you do a video on Robert Dudley. He was a historical man in 16th century England . Have a great day see you next video 😊

[@RavenIdril2966]

Did Katherine Parr justice well done.

[@HistorysForgottenPeople]

Hi Michelle, I'm doing great, thank you! ☺ I'm glad you and Benjamin are, too. Funnily enough, I'm 'sort of' doing one on Robert Dudley for my next video, although he's not the direct subject of the video. I'll make sure to put in as much on him as possible. 😉

[@lilacgirl-z8w]

​@@HistorysForgottenPeopledid you know Katherine and all the other wives were his distance cousins?

[@moondancerose7930]

"Oh, the wicked games we play." ✨️

[@lilacgirl-z8w]

Who came up with that line, does anyone know?

[@JangianTV]

Excellent finale! Goodness, her end was sad 😢, though her business with Elizabeth, along with Thomas Seymour, was a bit fishy! Lady Jane Grey next? 😁

[@Butterflypegasus40]

Thomas Seymour was a pervert.

[@HistorysForgottenPeople]

It really was a sad ending for her! After all of that, poor Katherine never got what she wanted for herself, really. The whole Elizabeth business was VERY strange, you're right. Because of how Katherine behaved the rest of her life, we do tend to give her the benefit of the doubt in how she 'romped' with Elizabeth, and it's likely she was putting her head in the sand a bit, but still... I've actually already got a three-part series up about Lady Jane Grey! I did it a while ago, mind, so the production values may not be as good as recent stuff. 😂 Here's part 1 ---> kzbin.info/www/bejne/fmGydZSdqrKjaMk

[@JangianTV]

@@HistorysForgottenPeople That's fair enough. Yes, very strange. Ah, so you have already covered her! Will save the playlist for Lady Jane, and the other forgotten queens, for later. Thanks! 🙂

[@Butterflypegasus40]

She was a wonderful stepmother during and after henry viii lifetime.

[@RavenIdril2966]

Now that your done with henry viii wives can you do the wives of philip ii or ivan the terrible?

[@LittletysonA381R]

Her mother died, probably of sickness!!! Well I’d say that’s a given

[@--enyo--]

Just curious, around 10:15 it is mentioned that Henry sending the gifts was inappropriate and Katherine felt uncomfortable about them. What are the sources for this? I’m not trying to say it’s wrong, I’m genuinely interested how we know.

[@HistorysForgottenPeople]

I must admit, my sources for that are all secondary (from other historians who have written papers or books on Katherine), but I believe they gleaned it from letters she sent both to other people, and the somewhat stilted letter of thanks she sent to Henry. Sometimes these letters get lost, so you have to look at secondary sources that were closer to the time. If they all disagree, it's dubious as to whether something is true or not, but they do all seem to be unanimous on this point. And also, it would have been very not in keeping with etiquette anyway, even if she had been grateful for the gifts, and other people made comment at the time as well.

[@jaymesguy239]

I think she was less unlucky than just having been a fool for love for her last marriage.

[@ronhuhn7562]

Thomas Seymour...truly a real creep...in my opinion at leased...ron

[@HistorysForgottenPeople]

Oh definitely! The more I read about the events at Old Chelsea Manor from different angles, the less and less I think of Thomas Seymour.

[@levisampson9715]

Catherine actually had a cousin throckmorton!!

[@lfgifu296]

I have asked you this once, but given you’ve heavily revisited the wives since, how would you order them, from fav to least favourite? My opinions changed a bit with these! 1) Katherine of Aragon- how much I admire this woman! She was so efficient and powerful, yet humble and kind! I could go on and on about why she’s so great, but your video does it better than I ever could :) 2) Anne of Cleves- this woman sounds so chill😭 I’d really love to know her, she was so adaptable and seems very easy going. The way she just goes “no bro” at nearly everything is almost comical, yet smart! And it worked out for her very well! 3) Jane Seymour- ok look😭 Yes, Anne went so Jane could come, but Jane behaved no worse than Anne herself had- if anything, she behaved better, bc she didn’t actively mistreat Elizabeth the way Anne did Mary-. I seriously doubt she knew Anne was going to be executed, that had *never* happened before and most likely Jane thought Anne would be sent away like Katherine had. And there’s no way Jane could stop it from happening- we know what Henry told her when she tried to convince him to be merciful to the Pilgrimage of Grace rebels. She did her best to unify England after what had happened with Anne, and ai think she succeeded in the way she could. Also, her kindness to Princess Mary is nice, Mary rly needed that after those hellish years. She has arrogance working against her once she became Queen, true, which is why she’s not higher, but, to me, that’s not enough to put her lower. 4) Katheryn Howard? I put the interrogation mark bc Idk whether you to put her or Parr here😭 It rly depends on the days. I think her asking Henry to punish Mary (albeit only by taking two ladies from her service) after all the trouble Mary had gone through w her father and having just recently made peace with him was quite rash. She was also a bit foolish in her decision to at least engage in an emotional relationship with Culpepper, but I can’t say I blame her for that- except that she should have known not to do it🥲 As Queen though, she seems to have been compassionate and not half bad! Ultimately I feel bad for her, and hope she’s now at peace🙏🙏 5) Catherine Parr? Again, her and Howard might switch places next week, who knows lol. I admire the fact she published books under her own name, and admire how she survived Henry (though some luck definitely came into that, bc had she not been warned, she’d likely have met Anne Boleyn and K. Howard on the scaffold :’). But there’s something about her I don’t like much… A bit like with Cecily Neville, something feels off🥲 6) Anne Boleyn- omg I dislike this woman so much😭 she was very active in displacing Katherine of Aragon (her giving Henry William Tyndale’s book in 1528 is a prime example of her wishes to be Queen) and Mary to boot. She also encouraged Henry to not talk to Katherine during their courtship because she felt she’d turn him around or smth, not to mention she didn’t want Henry to talk to Mary either. The only good thing she did (in my opinion) was to argue for the monasteries to be turned into schools, but even that was weird, bc the monasteries HAD served as schools and shelters for the poor before they were shut down, so, ig she tried to fix the mess she helped to cause, which may be a point in her favour.

[@DarthDread-oh2ne]

Hi friend ! I’m feeling better. I’ve been taking Robitussin.

[@lfgifu296]

@@DarthDread-oh2ne I’m glad you’re better :) it’s quite the drag! How would you order the wives, btw?

[@lilacgirl-z8w]

I've heard mentioned that king edward really liked his stepmom.

[@RavenIdril2966]

Could you please do ivan the terrible wives.

[@lfgifu296]

@@lilacgirl-z8wI think so too! It was the one with whom he had the biggest chance to bond, too.

[@Tessa-dg4no]

Did Catherine have to marry Henry or Thomas why did she and she love both of them Tess what could it be like to be queen in those times happy,sad Dangerous, good,kind ,scary ,cool tess

[@jawo8754]

She was in love with Thomas but when Henry set his sights on her, she was not able to say no.

[@Dixielanddelight83]

Poor Catherine. She couldn't even rest in death. Thank goodness for Queen Victoria ordering the restoration of the chapel so those buried there could have a proper burial with the respect they deserved and hopefully peace.

[@RavenIdril2966]

The desecration of her grave was just vile.

[@lfgifu296]

Interesting that this should coincide with Firebrand!! I haven’t watched it (it hasn’t reached the pirate site I watch these at yet lol😭) but I’m quite curious to see if it’s good!

[@RavenIdril2966]

Why would you call Parr a firebrand?

[@user-xt9jl6rw9e]

It's a movie about her coming out , called Firebrand.

[@HistorysForgottenPeople]

I haven't seen ALL of it, but I watched about half of it....I never want to discourage anyone from watching things, but I was disappointed with how far it strayed from historical accuracy. But that's an argument I have for all historical films, usually! 😂 It was fun to watch for the luxurious costumes and drama. ☺

[@lfgifu296]

@@HistorysForgottenPeople oooh :/ I mean, The White Princes was as far from History as it could, and I did manage to like it, it grew on me, so mb Firebrand will too :) thanks for the warning hehe

[@lilacgirl-z8w]

​@@HistorysForgottenPeoplehave you read the book by Parr ?

[@MelissaReiss]

Great video but Gardiner wanted Katherine investigated, not Cramner.

[@Tessa-dg4no]

Did Catherine keep her head because Henry saved her.catherine also let Mary back in court tess.and Liz also Henry was a good king .did Henry fall of his four legged friend and hit his head

[@HeyYouShouldSmile]

Henry was not a good king. He was a tyrant

[@EmilyGloeggler7984]

I hope you will do a video on Amy Robsart, the wife of Robert Dudley.

[@HistorysForgottenPeople]

YES! I promise she is coming. She's mentioned a teeny bit in my next video (another request from a while ago, on Elizabeth's suitors), but Amy's video is literally in a couple weeks. ☺

[@Heothbremel]

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[@Kim-gv5bw]

😮why the title "unlucky"?Katherine Parr survived,only just.The unluckiest thing to ever happen to her was attracting Henry VIII's(unwanted)attention.But no woman except Anne Boleyn managed to say no to this tyrant king.There are many other sources that claim/state that the adolescent Elizabeth was a victim of a power-hungry,manipulative potential paedophile.She made it a point of being dressed before Seymour invaded her bedchamber and having an attendant present-she was no idiot.

[@octavianpopescu4776]

What happened after her marriage to H8 makes her unlucky in my eyes. She had another s**t husband in Thomas Seymour, then people desecrated her dead body. I still don't get what their f**king problem with her was. She never hurt anyone, so why did people hate her so much to do things like that to her body?

[@gailowenby7869]

I have never had the pleasure of caring for an animal that wasn’t rescued in one way or another. And I’ve gotten so much love in return ❤

[@manuelmelchizedek4309]

Poor Marie I wish I had a time machine

[@Jack-py3cv]

The reader sounds like Lucy Worsley. Is it?

[@HistorysForgottenPeople]

Sorry, it's only me, not Lucy Worsley! (But thank you for the compliment). There's a bit about me on my channel page. ☺

[@RavenIdril2966]

​@@HistorysForgottenPeoplelucy worsley should hire you.

[@lilacgirl-z8w]

I prefer you over lucy worsley since you do more segments and I can go back and rewatch anytime I want.

[@kevinjamesparr552]

My own mother was Nevile family

[@Ccamero123]

Is it true that Katherine Parr held Elizabeth while Seymour cut her dress to pieces?

[@SyIe12]

👍⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

[@zabrinna6554]

❤

[@lilacgirl-z8w]

I consider Parr the most intellectual of all his wives.

[@Butterflypegasus40]

I've seen a portrait of her she seemed like an attractive woman to me.

[@Ccamero123]

I thought Katherine Parr was nice looking.

[@beth7935]

Same- if her portraits are accurate, I think she was very pretty.

[@lilacgirl-z8w]

​@@beth7935I never thought her plain.

[@StephanieHickey-v5e]

I have heard a few times that Katherine’s husband was sexually attracted to Elizabeth. Is there a boo that I can get that talks about this?

[@priscillateo1691]

What was the quarrel about that led to Katherine being in danger? I thought both Katherine and Henry were Protestants during this time?

[@Suncrower]

Henry never really was Protestant. Protestantism just provided something for him and due to his usage of it to be able to divorce Katherine of Aragon he could never return to the Catholic Church. But in all truth his ideals and beliefs stayed with Catholicism

[@RavenIdril2966]

I agree with that as well. The courtiers were jealous of Parr and wanted to get rid of her so started malicious gossip.

[@lilacgirl-z8w]

Henry was an egotistical pig.

[@Ccamero123]

What they did to here body over the years is hideous.

[@zarni000]

Weird my dna analysis showed connection to the Parr family. Im eastern european. How the hell that happened?

[@RavenIdril2966]

Katherine Parr had siblings and cousins whose descendants traveled outside the country and married there.

[@dawni5365]

Catherine must have been scared to death all day every day….

[@RavenIdril2966]

I bet she was.

[@lilacgirl-z8w]

The sex must have disgusted her too.

[@lilacgirl-z8w]

The sex must have been a dreaded thing.

[@kevinjamesparr552]

Religion is the curse of centuries .Man invented Religion it had not a thing to do with God

[@jenniferk.7023]

Man would find other things to start wars over. There's always something else, in any case, that wars are fought over. What a cop out for atheists to justify their disbelief of God.

[@RavenIdril2966]

Man defiled and destroyed the true scriptures.