The Rivalry Of Anne Boleyn And Katherine Of Aragon

[@alessn4927]

“Love triangle between three brilliant people or at least two brilliant people and Henry” LMFAO that had me laughing out loud

[@duygua1286]

😁😁😁😁😁

[@theelitemanticore151]

istg if Isabella of Castile lived to hear about Henry divorcing her daughter, she would have absolutely DESTROYED him and England!

[@erin6083]

@@theelitemanticore151 Agreed! I love Isabella!

[@jameshalley9763]

Unfortunately Isabella passed away before Henry became King. I am a descendant of Isabella thru her daughter Juanna the mad queen of Spain who was Catherine of Aragon 's older sister. Juanna had 2 sons and 4 daughters. All of her children became heads of state in Europe.

[@gonefishing167]

@@jameshalley9763wow. What a lineage you have. Lot to live up to eh? Yes, both her and Ferdinand did many cruel things but they must be taken into the context of their times. They did some wonderful things as well. Have a good life 🙏🙏👵🇦🇺👋👋

[@KatyWilson-df1qw]

​@@jameshalley9763are you really honestly so many people say they an im genuinely into are u if so wow how'd u find this out what sources helped u the most an what country did u do the search from Spain England as I'm doing same an it's Incredibly difficult to build tree an find the righ sources constantly I know of obviously ancestry an my past but my ancestry seems to have jumped a generation in data and iv hit a brick wall so just asking u sincerely 😊x❤ from Coventry uk 🇬🇧

[@doranicolaou9173]

​@@jameshalley9763that's a lie here it shows that you are a direct descendant of her making you a noble person if Spain probably an earl or some high lord power with millions of dollars

[@SecretSquirrelFun]

One thing that gave me a whole new perspective on Henry VIII and his relationships, was learning that Henry and Katherine were married for 24 years. His next FIVE marriages lasted about 10 or 11 years COMBINED 😳

[@heartlesslove9084]

Henry's followed his demons during his marriage to Catherine. Sadly women suffered in response to his actions.

[@gaslitworldf.melissab2897]

I'm impressed with Catherine of Aragon. Imagine what it was like to live with something that promised to humiliate her publicly.

[@DonnellOkafor-r2d]

Imagine what it was like to be booted from your life and never see your daughter again? I wonder why she didn't go back to Spain?

[@Goddess-of-Beer]

​@@DonnellOkafor-r2d I don't think that Henry VIII would allow her to go back.

[@deborahproctor9538]

All men treated women that way

[@winniedhaouadi1973]

​what you mean?

[@deborahproctor9538]

@@winniedhaouadi1973 men had all the power

[@EmilyGloeggler7984]

Those two women were victims of Henry VIII, as were their children. It is especially tragic that Henry thwarted Anne's intended love and marriage to Henry Percy, whom she originally wanted to marry. Henry quite clearly did not remember or ignored that Bible verse between a husband and wife in Matthew 19:6 - "So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”

[@magical_universe793]

whoreboleyn knew he was bethroted to mary talbot although it did not surprise me if she slept with him

[@DavidJohnRedwood]

Yes but "God" has nothing to do with it (I'll assume to believe that stuff). Henry chose Catherine. When she could not produce him a male heir he had her put away. And Anne got a sad deal as well, almost certainly, not being guilty of the crimes charged against her. Also, there is a wee incorrect bit there. Clue - Henry Percy. You, me, God or anyone/anything else save Henry VIII and his ministers of state had anything relevant to do with it.

[@smithamy1982]

Agreed. My husband and daughter are descendants of Henry Percy, so he intrigues me

[@EmilyGloeggler7984]

@@DavidJohnRedwoodGod exists just as you do but unlike you, God never lies.

[@christinerobbins9376]

Lies ​@@EmilyGloeggler7984 😂

[@taintedluv5053]

Nice to see Suzannah back to narrating documentaries. :) Her narration style is best out of all!

[@LuzMaria95]

I love anything Dr. Suzannah Lipscomb does. she’s such a wonderful presenter.

[@tartnouveau3652]

My Roman Empire is imagining what these two accomplished, freethinking and intelligent women could have succeeded at if they weren’t pitted against each other and only valued for their wombs. I spit on the grave of Henry VIII

[@hahathatssofunny101]

Love when Dr Suzannah Lipscomb is presenting. Always such great questions and conversations. More with Prof please 🙏

[@roccosims]

Oh my gosh the Morgan Library is half a mile away from me. I guess Katherine's prayer book isn't there now but I can imagine other 16th century rare books might be. Going there tomorrow!

[@ricks8618]

How was it??

[@IconicApple123]

I was trying to look for this documentary yesterday, but I couldn't find it and then it shows up today scary

[@Mamadukee1]

Spooky 👻

[@eduardpena6580]

Tis the season!

[@ГюляИбрагимова-м7ч]

One of the BEST programs abt Tudor's dynasty ever!!! I'm in love with English history!

[@onagaali2024]

I love Professor Suzannah Lipscomb's videos. She gives such a non biased and objective accounts. I'd love to see her do videos on the Normans and Plantagenets/Angevins.

[@LuzMaria95]

yes!

[@arungogna3749]

Both my favourite Queens. Catherine's suffering and misery ended in death people cherished her. Anne was brave and courageous she showed no human weakness during her execution. Both souls rest in paradise ✨️

[@melissacampbell9214]

Great program. Loved seeing Dr Emma Marron!

[@atterolstao]

Wow, this video really highlights the complexities of Anne Boleyn and Katherine Of Aragon's rivalry. It's so fascinating to see how their lives intertwined. However, I can't help but feel that Anne gets more sympathy in historical discussions, even though Katherine's position was incredibly challenging too. What do you all think?

[@Mimi73161]

I definitely agree!!!

[@DavidJohnRedwood]

Overall, I feel reasonably positive about both women, who played to the rules they thought were appropriate. Both were treated in a ghastly fashion by Henry VIII and his ministers, and neither deserved the s#### they got from Henry. I do genuinely believe Catherine's first marraige to a sickly boy was not consumated, and equally so I can not imagine Anne being so silly as to fool around with anyone else given how well she knew her husband's temper. Both of these women were disgarded by their husband because his own goals and objectives changed. He could not execute a princess of Spain so he divorced her. The other one was expendable and went to the block because she could not conceive a male heir. And - such an irony - their daughter was the greatest queen regnant England ever had. A throughly interesting and detailed video thank you. Catherine and Anne did in fact have much in common, as stated. Both were strong to endure what their time, culture and values prescribed.

[@bonniecarruth8429]

I read both Catherine and Anne both miscarried sons.

[@colinbocher8102]

That bathroom is absurd. “Rip it all out”, indeed.

[@lulabellegnostic8402]

I love suzannah’s history programs . Always tune in when she’s on.

[@christinerose5629]

I think that in all this Kathryn was a faithful a accomplished queen some 20 years.. Anne Boleyn seemed to have no qualms about committing Adultery with Henry and didn’t care about what happened to Kathryne or Mary even and celebrated when Kathryn passed away, Mary was treated very badly by them, Mary was unable to see her mother.. I think you have be a special kind of people to do that! Anne played for high stakes and lost So perhaps she wasn’t quite so smart, as so many seems to like to paint her.

[@tracys169]

I think Anne overestimate Henry's affection for her. She did admit she would get into quarrels with him, so I'm thinking to myself a King who detested and mistreated those who didn't 'fall in line' with him...not surprised he fell out of 'love' with Anne immediately when he got the hint that she might be cheating (I doubt she cheated on the King at all) and made sure she was executed.

[@b.m.t.h.3961]

Agree with you there.

[@OpenYourMindPR33]

​@@tracys169Henry VIII was a narcissist. Anne was one of his victims. But at the same time she committed a huge mistake on allow French Crown officials get inside Westminster.

[@michellecrocker2485]

This proves how tragically manipulative ( for lack of of a better word) Henry was. His big defense on this divorce was Leviticus but I’ve heard there is something in Deuteronomy that would have legitimized his marriage to Catherine and if he had kept reading his bibles, he might have caught that or maybe he did and ignored it because it didn’t serve his goal

[@bonniecarruth8429]

Yes, one verse says not to lay with your sister in law while the other says to bed tor sister in law so that you can raise up sons for your brother.

[@michellecrocker2485]

@ I have to think someone around Henry knew about the latter but Henry was such a bonehead that no one dared

[@ana-mariabobe1762]

Catherine of Aragorn could have been as many as 22 years older than Anne, 16 years difference is if you assume Anne was born 1501, 22 years difference if you assume Anne was born 1507.

[@michellecrocker2485]

What kind of abuse did Anne suffer under Catherine that she would encourage Henry’s pursuit? I wanna think Catherine was decent enough to her as a lady in waiting that Anne would feel bad about the very subject that Henry was trying to get her to replace Catherine. Do we know their relationship before Henry took notice? Cuz I hate to think that Anne went against the queen out of mere fact that she felt wronged by her

[@lulabellegnostic8402]

I have to admire anne for not allowing herself to be used and tossed aside by henry like her sister. Henry should have gone for someone more compliant.

[@lulabellegnostic8402]

To be fair, it was a mark of the honour in which henry held catherine that he tried to go down the legal route. In mainland europe she would have died ‘mysteriously’.

[@annaelisavettavonnedozza9607]

Absolutely adore Queen Catherine. What a wonderful woman of integrity, faith, & honor. She’s one of the best women in history, & one of the best queens of England Henry can kiss my butt

[@falcon-moon]

Let's form a Henry haters club.

[@tacobeast300]

I think that it was actually incredibly hard for Anne to basically betray Katherine. She admired her Queen and was excited at the opportunity to serve her in Henry's court. People think Anne showed and Henry like instantly fell in love. No no. Took some years to notice... after he slept with her sister. I love Henry but not his choices hah 😅

[@serenitydylan2122]

This video doesn't really talk about their rivalry.

[@joshuafess4295]

I wonder if they have ever done a sonar on the floorboards of Heaver Castle you might find some interesting things under there maybe a dress pin or something from that time. They definitely had the same kind of luck at Versailles or even more exciting would be finding Anne’s lock somewhere like Mary Queen of Scott’s

[@tetianapavlenko5461]

Great 😊 thanks ❤❤❤

[@SarahCallaghan.]

very educational and interesting better than most crap on internet .

[@wednesdayschild3627]

The old world lived on in the new world. Isabella's relatives moved to the new world and married Aztec royalty. Some of the Moctezuma descendants ended up in Spain. Puerto Rico was a bastion of conquistadors. The red castle alambra was where Columbus took some natives with him.

[@StarshaLaLuna]

Spain's history is so much more interesting than England's

[@sarenartanis1752]

​@@StarshaLaLunaIn ancient and medieval times i say you yes, Spain history is more interested than England. About Modern age, i think it's a draw because England in India is like Spain with Aztecs and Incas, and in Contemporary age England history is more interesting than Spain for WW1 and WW2.

[@OpenYourMindPR33]

​@@sarenartanis1752true. England innovated much more because they were more open minded than Spaniards - cuz Spaniards pushed the old way. Also they had technological advancements on humanism and industry, but they kept artissan, because they were so Catholic centrist. England prevailed because they open their doors to brilliant minds. They innovated navigation and armies, and the Industrial Revolution boom in XIX Century.

[@sarenartanis1752]

@@OpenYourMindPR33 all have his times. Spain had the best woodcrafts, sailors, artists, etc not only from Spain but from Netherlands, Belgium, France, America or Italy available for 300 years. About industrial revolution, i think it's more bad luck for Spain. They had the first mechanical machines in XVIII century like England. The first industrial machine in a port was not used in England, but in Spain in Havana port for build ships. But Napoleonic and Independence wars kick them so hard destroying their country in XIX century. The thing is Spain was a science powerhouse in their age with England. Build thousands of war ships in XVIII century it was the peak of science in that moment. For example, if China build the first war spaceships in 20 years people will see the dreadnoughts, the B-29, etc like relics.

[@wednesdayschild3627]

​​@@StarshaLaLuna we di not hear as much about Spain because it is in Spanish and not English. I feel like s. America is an undiscovered history. I never looked into it. The official usa history story is very simple about s. America.

[@ladyinquisiteur92]

I'm sorry, but if it wasn't for women these dynasties would have never even existed

[@TessaPostins]

I love Henry's first wife Catherine not Anne and Jane and atheist parr only Anne was not a nice person only wanting the crown tess sorry but Anne got her her downfall tess

[@katherinecollins4685]

Really good

[@RickeyMelissaLavender]

Do you think it might be a gift from Henry since the both had copies.

[@NandanRodrigue]

Thanks for the breakdown! Just a quick off-topic question: My OKX wallet holds some USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). What's the best way to send them to Binance?

[@Kubotahonda5]

If king Henry alive today, he will be in the jail for life. He's a next level bad man, a woman hunter

[@joecool9739]

He would be behind bars with Diddy

[@paulcalder9697]

Why

[@smartbomb7202]

yep...no HR back then

[@joecool9739]

@@smartbomb7202 HR is just what offices have to confuse people into thinking they cant take matters straight to lawyers and the police Much cheaper than paying for lawyers and lawsuits and people genuinely buy into that system 🤣

[@smartbomb7202]

@@joecool9739 it was a joke!...your reply is gibberish

[@bites4love]

I'd bet Henry bought them both and gave the fancier one to Anne. Men don't change, cheaters do this in this time.

[@StarshaLaLuna]

That pink room tho 😂🤦🏽‍♀️😵‍💫

[@DebraWhite-fh4ii]

My ancestor lived in England during this time

[@JanetGregory-fj1pm]

Good afternoon

[@andyroo9381]

Hever Castle is quite beautiful.

[@dereksendrak]

Let’s go!!🤘🏻🤘🏻

[@FabulousCucumber-ip9hu]

Wow, what a pink room. Money doesn't buy taste, does it.

[@rachelgates509]

8:43 in the video, what PROJECT??!!!

[@michellecrocker2485]

I do think that if Henry hadn’t started the conflict, and we know this is all his fault; they might have had at least a level of respect for each other as highly educated and religious women.

[@TessaPostins]

Catherine parr tess

[@tetianapavlenko5461]

❤❤❤

[@SusannahAgnone]

Her name should be spelled Susannah

[@HistoriaViva-d7k]

"The world wars shaped our modern world massively. 🌎 What do you think is the biggest lesson we learned from them?

[@josemanuelrosmunoz5546]

Spanish and French !!!

[@theelitemanticore151]

Anne is still 100% English but yeah i get your point…she was so Frenchified.

[@Rat_Queen86]

Anne was English but she did pretty much grow up in France

[@kevinmccarthy8746]

1000 years ago, that blue would be sinfull

[@jujubees5855]

Queen > Escort

[@EmmaFre-Haack]

I’m shocked about the pink monster room…😮 it’s no fun, such ignorant horribleness is insulting. There is no historical merit in it, it’s just another “American millionaires wife’s kitschy way of life on display” and sincerely who cares. So let’s give decency a chance.

[@erin6083]

Catherine of Aragon is an uncannonized saint and faithful woman in every way. Anne Boleyn is responsible for so much evil and sin that is still reverberating today, sadly. I would not want to be in her shoes on the day of judgement. These women were not “united” in any way- Anne wanted her and daughter killed and caused them both untold abuse and suffering. What feminist nonsense that they were kindred spirits in some way.

[@wednesdayschild3627]

I think they were friends at first. I think Anne should have asked Catherine for help. Anne was convinced she was chosen. I am not sure why. Anne suffered greatly at her end. I pity her.

[@erin6083]

@@wednesdayschild3627 Ann caused suffering to others, any suffering she endured was primarily self inflicted. And yes, Anne was once a lady in waiting to the true Queen. And yes, she was “chosen”- by Satan himself to try to destroy the true church and separate Christians from each other, not to mention all the persecution endured because of her.

[@eduardpena6580]

Anne got her comeuppance in the end. It is funny how the true Queen Katherine and Anne the concubine died in the same year just months apart. They were replaced by Jane, another Anne, another Katherine, and yet another Catherine. Oy vey!

[@erin6083]

@@eduardpena6580 She didn’t come close to getting a punishment commensurate with the damage she caused Christendom, and never could. But yes, it’s a great reminder about pride going before the fall..she had been haughty and cruel.

[@colinbocher8102]

Quite frankly, I wouldn’t want to be in YOUR shoes on judgement day.

[@emmajulian8716]

I'm sorry for Catherine she was a strong lady but Henry is my favourite monarch as for Henry's letters England should have them not the Vatican

[@nataliecartmel7213]

R

[@cburciaga5171]

What is so different about Dr Lipscomb’s appearance??? Hope she’s ok…

[@bunyipdragon9499]

Out of curiosity I googled her name and was surprised how different she looked in every photo.

[@ajj9694]

Per google she is 45 now. She is still very beautiful.

[@roberttelarket4934]

Henry’s wives were all a bunch lesbians.

[@DonnellOkafor-r2d]

Greatest laugh lve had all week. 😂😂😂😂. Well done 🎉

[@roberttelarket4934]

@@DonnellOkafor-r2d: I’m glad you enjoyed it!

[@deborahproctor9538]

Huh?

[@SandyWolf-]

😅😅

[@DonnellOkafor-r2d]

@@deborahproctor9538 women wouldn't get it

[@allauddin732]

These feminist problems will over globally to their personal levels according to their potentials. I can not explain further. I will express it .......

[@tech10k14]

"They played as important a role as any of the men"... Let's get the whole point of the propag... video in early.