The "real Keir Starmer" exposed in Labour conference speech | The New Statesman

[@ianashton4036]

Sausages. The man goes from bad to wurst.

[@Robbie-Rabbit]

hahaha omg this comment is killing me :D

[@the_9ent]

@@Robbie-RabbitGet a life

[@NMonte1000]

Brilliant. That really made me laugh.

[@Paddythefriendlykiwi]

We all need sausages mate. He said what we were all thinking.

[@michaelnannestad7399]

A sage observation.😅"

[@markellwood4132]

Why can't we live in a world were sausages are treated equally under the grill.

[@janbrown9195]

Because some people always have to have the biggest sausage or more sausages than everyone else 😢

[@rogerhigman7568]

😂😂😂.Perhaps because we don't all want a life of equal suffering, but a life where we all thrive?

[@rackellar]

Andrew Marr is clearly in love with Starmer. I’ve never heard him say a single bad word about the bloke. He is so so out of touch. How he ever pulled off neutrality on the BBC is beyond me.

[@bengenovese6591]

It’s bizarre. Even the target New Statesmen readers can’t consider this journalism

[@jenniferbarry5887]

Thats why so many of no longer watch the BBC it is not impartial, its a cover up service.

[@bachelierdrole]

That's because Starmer, so far, has been brilliant. The UK General Public are being so unbelievably unreasonable about donations during campaigns - the standard way to find politics for centuries. They are also unbelievably unreasonable about Winter Fuel Allowance. How on Earth can it be fair for tax-paying millenials, who are renting in precarious conditions, to support handouts for property-owning pensioners, often with substantial cash savings, without any means testing? THAT is what is grossly unfair, regressive and exploitative - not cutting off these extravagant benefits. Edit: As to the politics of it, I guess he's betting on long-term effects of these reforms to be positive, mitigating any short-term anger. I think they will be. But he needs to remember that even with a substantial majority, his own MPs can replace him if they start worrying too hard about their own seats.

[@anonUK]

​@bachelierdrole There are poor pensioners, they're not all multi-million property owners born shortly after the war who were able to buy property in 1974 for 50p and a pickled egg and "move up the ladder". Our view of the entire older population as Edina and Patsy fails to take account of those whose working lives were blighted by MT's harrying of the industrial North or South Wales, those younger Boomers who left school into the Arab Oil crisis rather than the "swinging 60s" and the over 85s.

[@anonUK]

@stephfoxwell4620 Exactly- people born in 1958, never mind 1974, typically weren't given the same opportunities when they left school as those born in 1946.

[@COLLSWORK]

We're Ruled By Fools and Fooled By Rules

[@Wulfuswulferson]

Did they watch a different speech? He's still talking about Corbyn!

[@PETER-c4n]

The "real Keir Starmer". I so agree. The way he kept that dead pan look when he called the hostages - "sausages". Truly comedy gold. He really made me happy on such a rainy day! Thank you Sir Keir.

[@woildee9998]

He just can't cut the mustard.

[@advocate1563]

From the gravy to the pea, sausages will be free.

[@mikespeers8281]

@@advocate1563Now that did make me laugh 😂😂😂 You silly sausage!

[@nostromoglasseye8340]

a fake smile and ham anger. vapid and empty of content.

[@ramenisgood4u]

Ham? I think you mean sausages.

[@Mike_5]

Sponsored by HP Sauce

[@Glasgow_kiss]

were you watching the same speech?

[@smokingbrush2498]

They certainly didn't hear the prominent and principled protesters. Worthless presenters, as one would expect from the NS

[@antonyberry1632]

These 3 live in the London bubble

[@user-bu9nb8wr6e]

I live in the slum called London

[@advocate1563]

Don't they just ....

[@piedwagtailrameau]

Jealous

[@D34DParadise]

they are completely out of touch, tbf i think pretty much all the political pundits are out of touch with the rest of the country

[@aficio698]

What a load of empty drivel seriously what are these three on about!

[@alana8863]

What a load of empty drivel seriously what is this comment on about!

[@aficio698]

@@alana8863 so funny. Clearly a labour supporter with not a pot to piss in.

[@alana8863]

@@aficio698 I wasn't trying to be funny - just to make a point. Have I got a 'pot to piss in'? Are you referring to my being poor? If that were true, then would I not be allowed an opinion? As it happens, I'm probably a lot wealthier than you, but not sure what your logic is.

[@ChristopherWinpenny]

We’ve listened to this sort of nonsense from both sides for all our lives….we need a different way, politics is over.

[@venmis137]

so... dictatorship?

[@Cat-bw8yi]

Complete side winding of the real immigration issue and a real threat to the working class people of all backgrounds

[@spsmith45]

Who will do the work and pay the tax to support our ageing population?

[@alana8863]

@@spsmith45 I don't think Cat-whatever has an answer! He seems unable to explain what his argument is, so probably hasn't got a clue about either point.

[@spsmith45]

@@alana8863Starmer is very aware of the immigration needs of ‘developed’ nations. But leaders have to sound tough on the issue. This makes them dishonest and pandering.

[@blackroseangel123]

If you train as a nurse or get a job in social care we wouldn't have jobs for immigrants and therefore have no immigration. If you're that concerned - go do something about it

[@spsmith45]

⁠Thank you for your brilliant insight.

[@williamthompson4389]

And he is still our PM! We need somebody that is honest and listens to the voice of the people.

[@Sam.o.29]

You say this like we had that before him 🤣

[@themoonster5682]

I thought violent thugs were left alone, like the 2 idiots who assaulted police officers at Manchester Airport.

[@julianshepherd2038]

Didn't the cop stamp on his head or is this different fight at Manchester airport ?

[@themoonster5682]

@julianshepherd2038 He used his foot. They were armed police and therefore could not use their hands because they were holding their weapons. Think about it though, you'd have to be mad to want to attack an armed policeman.

[@crayontom9687]

They were arrested. What are you on about?

[@michaelmoran1964]

All gone strangely quiet on that,never heard a word since August, not one word about charges.

[@alana8863]

@@crayontom9687 Don't quote facts - it upsets bigots.

[@EnglishFolkWisdom]

I've seen the Starmer speech many times before. The new Headteacher spooked by how rowdy some of the pupils are, and how difficult it is to actually run a school. Mistakenly believing that a show of anger will be interpreted as authority. It's a sign of insecurity, which doesn't bode well.

[@pud4272]

english folk wisdom indeed

[@alana8863]

How patronising and bigoted! Have you considered that in spite of your political views, it is possible that Starmer could genuinely want to do something good for the country - or have you become so punch-drunk with Johnson, Truss, Farage and the rest of the mob that you can no longer believe some people still have some human decency?

[@TarkaChops]

​@@alana8863maybe if he got his snout out of the trough for more than ten minutes he wouldn't be calling hostages sausages or releasing sex offenders so that he can lock up the poor for writing something intemperate on Facebook.

[@happyflea]

The bots are out in force in the comments again!

[@jamessmithson-br7rm]

I think it is just British people who are disenfranchised with Starmer mate…

[@HeirToTheScarletSky]

I think it's GBNews brigade. Average age 71. Gammons on tour in the NS comment section.

[@advocate1563]

Average Brits p*ssed off by this rolling disaster. Mind you, new russian visa cd be a good bet if things continue in this vein

[@VeeBee-u7w]

The way this government is governing ....you will be lucky to reach 71.. shshsh

[@archvaldor]

@@HeirToTheScarletSky Why would the GBnews crowd have a problem with Starmer? He's to the right of Rishi Sunak.

[@Birdman7456]

I'll take Labour Party over The Conservative and Unionist Party now known as Reform UK any day. 🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹

[@annehaughton3968]

Love these.now Andrew is free I love listening to him. His grasp of history is so superb it adds something really special.

[@royhill7342]

How can he stand there and waffle 😂

[@Robbie-Rabbit]

What a silly sausage 😂

[@timwoodger7896]

He’s a sociopath.

[@alana8863]

Maybe because he knows some people listening care rather than making comments in the mistaken belief that we'll want Farage, Johnson and the rest of the children back.

[@hughwilson2219]

he's a barrister.

[@johnnyconnelly7278]

Marr's bias is a disgrace to journalism. Discusting the way he's so far up Starmers arse.It's the old BBC in full affect. These three Labour fanboys are salivating over such a bullshit empty speech while ignoring the Hypocrisy rampant throughout it.

[@andyfensham-smith3304]

You realise you're not watching the telegraph right?

[@csharpe5787]

You clearly have little understanding. Are not BBC journalists. I would say you’re not qualified to comment.

[@johnmurray5573]

​@@csharpe5787Nice. Sounds like Labours new campaign slogan.

[@ariseandgonow4319]

If you’re looking for objective commentary on the web, you’re probably over optimistic.

[@alana8863]

You realise this is not the Beeb and he doesn't work for them? You realise this is the New Statesman, which is overtly Labour-supporting? You realise this is embarrassing for you?

[@darrenburford3322]

Nothing but word salad.

[@alana8863]

In other words you didn't understand it.

[@njp100]

Great coverage throughout - many thanks.

[@paulhincks5156]

This speech will be remembered for call for the release of the sausages.

[@Dawn-hb5pf]

My goodness, you three are so pro Starmer. You are not professional in your journalism. I won't be watching this channel again.

[@justinehayward2553]

I will. Forward and not just waving a bloody flag and kicking off.

[@blackroseangel123]

Apparently they were too pro Tory pre-election. You people should really make up your mind and stay consistent

[@Dawn-hb5pf]

@@blackroseangel123 ?

[@justinehayward2553]

@Daisychain8391-e5m Where, where?

[@lheureexquise140]

"The duty of candour ... could perhaps come to change perceptions..." Apparently this is hugely significant.

[@rissamohabir7415]

I think Keir Starmer inspired a sense of collective responsibility " we are all in this together" means giving an opportunity to reclaim our dignity. I applaud his honesty

[@smokingbrush2498]

Though you will soon find that, to paraphrase a real master of the English language and a real champion of it's people, "some [the poor] are going to be in this more deeply than others [Labour Party backers]...."

[@pud4272]

If the New Statesman had any glaring blind spots, it's these three talking about this exact topic

[@hukama6911]

So many Russian bots here

[@antonyberry1632]

Hello ivan

[@turbolevo8703]

Mor on.

[@pud4272]

You cant explain away everything

[@smokingbrush2498]

Explain

[@alana8863]

@@pud4272 You haven't explained anything!

[@brainsandbeauty2832]

This is not a very critical view. This is why platforms like novaro media are needed

[@microwaves25]

Novara couldn't be happier to see Labour fail. Michael can't wipe the grim off his face. I like their channel but they have their own agenda.

[@brainsandbeauty2832]

@@microwaves25 what do you think their agenda is?

[@philiptolson3155]

This man is mad.

[@spsmith45]

Grow up.

[@alana8863]

Nobody go near Philip - he says he's mad.

[@robertharbordhamond1559]

Toad in the Hole

[@tnrX999]

....his party and everyone else clapping and cheering in that hall are absolutely moronic if they fall for his rhetoric. He is a dead man walking.

[@benmayhew2K]

Remember, Conservative key vote is dying off n Tories will not get enough ever again.Reform will not make it either,we got left wing now.

[@manuag3886]

How do people take these ghouls seriously?

[@alana8863]

What, the Right-wing who jump onto every Left-wing KZbin channel to tell us what they think but never use facts?

[@manuag3886]

@@alana8863 Sure. But let us not forget: this is a right-wing neoliberal youtube channel.

[@markbaker8326]

What a load of crap

[@user-md5wt1xh8b]

Oh my god andrew marr is so bugly,

[@paulhignett378]

Could they get any bigger microphones to spout their tosh

[@alana8863]

Thoughtful and penetrating analysis, well done!

[@richmaniow]

"Just one Cornetto.." lol

[@franchurch630]

He reminded me of a person back in the 1930s who had passion in his voice when making speeches. starmer sounded unhinged today. We are at the threshold of a very dark period in British history and politics under this man's idea of government.

[@1701enter]

Doing rather than saying that is the real “test” I wish them well for all our sakes

[@smokingbrush2498]

good luck with that one....

[@Andrew-tx9jy]

Downing Street now considers this matter to be closed and we need to move on.

[@johnsharman7262]

Good overview of Starmer's speech: putting it in the Measure For Measure category of Starmer's 'prose': darkness, anger, anti-racism and anti-riots, fighting off the 'Tory rot'. Maybe Starmer wrote it as prose, but as we know, reading out 'prose' can turn 'hostages' into 'sausages'( quickly corrected). Will it contribute to Starmergedon'?

[@haaaaaay]

These people were clearly at a different speech...

[@ImstillNotFooled]

If pubs close at 9pm, will it be a offence, to eat a sausages in the garden after last orders?

[@advocate1563]

Not if you.can get the sausages out of gaza apparently.

[@leecevictoria481]

Bhahahaha 😂

[@Anisa_Hoxha]

Two steake solution 😂😂

[@BongoAboutBedfords]

Is Andrew Marr on high dose prescription Drugs ?. WTF WTF .

[@julianshepherd2038]

Proximity to power is like cocaine

[@alana8863]

Are you? WTF WTF .

[@alteredstate07]

No he's just living in his alternative world like most of the mainstream media. Havent got a clue how it's all perceived from the outside. But, hey they all get excited and jump around and talk and speculate and rub themselves off on the fricking banality of it all

[@TerriObrien-mi5rx]

I listen regularly to the New Statesman and find all the presenters credible and informative,views on Conference helpful 🤪

[@annehaughton3968]

I need to listen and watch more

[@and3583]

The guy is a prime minister. It'll turn out to be a mixture of lies and rubbish.

[@davidharwood9552]

Train drivers can see the light at the end of the tunnel 🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈

[@californiadreamin8423]

My dog has just eaten my blue passport, that’s funny too.

[@advocate1563]

And that's just their pay checks, with free glasses from Lord Ali.

[@crayontom9687]

Vacuous, word-salad nonsense. What a lightweight

[@smokingbrush2498]

and these three were no better.

[@Blahblahblahworlds]

3 journalists with zero expertise talking about body language whilst ignoring the big issues Starmer needs to account for including £4mn donation and McSweeney's bad faith plot to install Starmer implicating Starmer as a man of no integrity

[@douglaswinton826]

I think he is lying to his own party members. That’s why the oct budget is after the Labour conference. Look at the members vote on the last day concerning the pensioners heating allowance. Sit back and watch the party rip itself apart.

[@JulieTasker]

Sadly Sir Kier Starmer didn’t have good roles in relation to Jimmy Saville and the Post Office scandal. Jimmy Saville behaviour was in effect covered up and many children will have suffered at least significantly in part due to Sir Kier Starmers role then.

[@freepoet6737]

Andrew Marr's bias is plainly displayed, that is okay with me, much better than most jouralists that claim to be impartial.

[@freepoet6737]

What happened to the "Sorry" message, that Andrew Marr wanted?

[@jonsmith5058]

I was saying to you guys its nonsense to suggest Starmer would be progressive and great ‘once in power’ and was just doing what he needed to get elected. Look what we got, a shallow vote and grossly disproportionate victory and more Tory style depressing politics and everyone hating him. We told you so, start paying attention instead of gushing over him.

[@douglaswinton826]

I think he is lying to his own party members. That’s why the oct budget is after the Labour conference. Look at the members vote on the last day concerning the pensioners heating allowance. Sit back and watch the party rip itself apart. Yes let’s make all carers multi millionaires through tax manipulation to suit themselves while proper working folk pay more.. Hypocritical all the way…

[@raymondtowers123]

What policies did he actually present ?

[@michaelnannestad7399]

The Importance of freeing Sausages and the danger of Wooden fried Baristers.

[@Paul-Revere54]

You are free to reproach me, your excellency. My boy, it's dagger.

[@1Mrbudgood]

Trade deal with USA as soon as possible. Put the NHS on the table for American healthcare companies. Let USA replace Chinese investment.

[@grahamtrave1709]

Ham it up Starmer ....he isn't fooling anyone with an once of discernment.

[@lily_m3538]

Fantasy from Starmer.

[@advocate1563]

Tragi comedic????

[@AMcb-b6q]

All when you go & reform is in

[@sammiebrown9442]

more lies

[@Charles61284]

He’s an awful PM even if he does last 4 years. They’ll be gone soon after. People will not forget and the freebies they intend to throw at the people before the next GE will absolutely not work.

[@TheLRider]

He has every right to be fin angry. I am, as are millions of others, and that can drive change with a great leader.. We have a chance and he's our best shot.

[@elainehardman1683]

Millions of my fellow pensioners aren't quite so sure he's that great. 🥶

[@Bburn47]

Lol your insane

[@henryb160]

Silly sausage

[@smokingbrush2498]

That is an extremely shallow talent pool then.

[@elainehardman1683]

As you say..."with a great leader". But you've got him.

[@kevinodaly1545]

The country still polarised then, make you wonder where middle England is,

[@musicilike69]

NO THEY WON'T.

[@patmustardlive]

Spazzmo Marr and a couple of lemons 🍋

[@Looii5]

Is it possible to have a sunny speech when it's raining?

[@hughcaskey9542]

You can now pay £15000 to have your pic taken with the business secretary or better still pay £30000 and have breakfast with them sausages must be bloody expensive

[@Ladynipchick2]

I get the impression that Starmer isn't popular on this channel... 😂

[@lheureexquise140]

Pure vibes.

[@hughwilson2219]

My! Those specs look to be worth, what, about 2500 quid? Cheap at Specsavers. And, is that a Burton's 30/- suit?

[@sachitshah1941]

2tk seems to be playing pocket billiards 😂

[@niknoks7638]

I wished those three would just eat those Caramel Cornetto’s and give us some rest bite! 🙄

[@richmaniow]

"And in 5 years time you'll be £10 a week better off.. if you're lucky.."

[@gogosegaga]

Freebie sausages for all!

[@user-bu9nb8wr6e]

Honestly doubling down for about 5 minutes on racist thugs was an absolute disgrace. Every person I know from young to old, black to white have said he dealt with the riots so badly by just trying to crush the people who turned up at the riots who did nothing wrong. He labelled all people at demonstrations far right. He has completely misread the mood of the nation when I think it’s about 60% of people their number one worry is immigration. I think it’s most probably about 80% of people that are worried about Starmer now.

[@alana8863]

You must know a strangely limited group! Surveys show that most people thought they were well-handled. No one had action taken against them for just turning up. You clearly missed the time when Starmer acknowledged people were concerned about immigration levels and didn't want to do things like hand out visas in such huge numbers (the Tory government) or support Brexit (Farage, Johnson, Truss, etc) which led to such a massive increase in small boats. So you don't need to worry about 80% of people - most will have listened more carefully to what he said. Run it again if you think you're right.

[@Manuscriptsdontburn1990]

​@@alana8863Who conducted these polls? I get a feeling it would not have been the working class indigenous Brits who have seen their country infected with the 3rd world biomass we now have. More likely a poll of middle class Noth Londoners securing their echo chamber

[@perrysaker1526]

Hitler had alot of passion in his speeches...just saying!!!

[@aniruddhrajendran7570]

Are you completely crazy. What the hell. Why are you comparing a criminal with a politician.

[@Manuscriptsdontburn1990]

Yeah, he also had a higher approval rating and loved the people of his country. 🇩🇪

[@YYTT-wd5qq]

Tbh, I feel Labour Party is terrifying party!

[@sarahgray2733]

Who are these three? Did they actually listen to Reeves and Starmer? The pair of them were just ranting angrily.

[@alana8863]

Not if you listened.

[@chromatec-video]

He lacks charisma but makes up for it with passion and integrity. Only time will tell.

[@clivecartey]

Three very deluded people there........ Actually, I still feel very sorry for the "sausages".

[@Manuscriptsdontburn1990]

The uniparty don't get to dictate what is a legitimate concern. Our ethnic replacement is an existential threat and Starmer is a traitor of the highest order. He will be held to account

[@wendyHew]

This is pathetic, getting cheered whilst taking away money. They are taking donations like last time, they were taken to court for taking donations to install peers, they need to be investigated and be transparent with every payment made to them.

[@alana8863]

The Tories?

[@blackroseangel123]

Wait until you find out about Boris's flat renovations 😂 you'll be furious

[@VinceLammas]

I didn't think Starmer tried to give an optimistic speech, more that he was both serious and determined. I think that just reveals how he feels about politics. Labour haven't made any new announcements at the conference ... but they have a manifesto to hold them to. His performance was confident and competent.

[@Theforestbandit]

sausages and new sausages for all

[@ImstillNotFooled]

Won't even be able to eat a sausage in a pub garden after 9pm

[@ratchet2505]

He's smiling :)

[@petertodd-fh5sb]

His speech is like all the other speeches promised promised

[@alana8863]

Yes, before you do things you set out a manifesto and then, through interviews and speeches, explain what your goals are. Many goals are never realised because life doesn't always allow us to achieve our goals - maybe you've experienced that in your own life?

[@nostromoglasseye8340]

'uses words like they were sanitary landfill'

[@AJGORKhans]

I liked the idea 💡 😄

[@jaisriram295]

By real Keir Starmer you mean 2 tier/free Gear Kier 😂

[@colinmathie2710]

Sausage Keir 😀

[@paulsparks7035]

Bless you

[@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar]

🥱🥱🥱

[@Veni_Vidi_Vortice]

It's not clever to laugh at your own snide remarks, especially when you're not funny.

[@colinmathie2710]

@@Veni_Vidi_Vortice Im not the one who f'd up so badly in his 1st conference speech as pm, the guy is a fool.

[@Brett-im2jo]

Preaching to the converted is always going to get applause.

[@stevedavidson666]

It's actually amazing what little things the Starmer-haters will try to pick up on. You can see why the Labour party has failed for so long. It's absolutely pathetic.

[@peteroneill2991]

Watched a different speech to Andrew; brilliant and uplifting.

[@hughwilson2219]

Oh yes, Rivers of Sausages.... Enoch was a butcher before Parliament.

[@fabius5366]

Fixing the economy by cutting winter fuel allowance? The saving is around £ 1.5 billion over a total government spending of £ 1226 billion p.a.; that is 1.22 per Thousand....really? However, what is concerning is the Stupidity of the reform. That is apparent when you consider that a simple tapering mechanism of reduction of benefit, could have been applied to the 8 million of pensioners paying income tax.

[@kevinodaly1545]

Unfortunately everyone is screaming the extremes. Yours is the first comment I’ve seen anywhere suggesting tapering. Seems everyone is to preoccupied with screaming to see the sensible option. I’m hoping they raise the level of support generally or at least introduce tapering to the pension system to support those just over the line.

[@blackroseangel123]

None of your numbers are correct - before people throw a tantrum 😂

[@NormanTreiger]

In the 1990's the Borrie Commission of Social Justice suggested working from the core values of Beveridge to update the Social Justice System that was developed in the 1940's. There is a case for reform, targeting benefits where there is greatest need. To ensure feasibility, proper Outreach and support for people to claim what is entitled ,Government Service will need to change support a new approach . To achieve a desired approach will take time, care and proper detailed study. To this end I believe the Government should postpone the Winter Fuel proposals for a couple of years. Any savings made here should be ring-fenced to support Care in the community.

[@smokingbrush2498]

"We are all in this together, but some are going to be in it more deeply than others"

[@drasticplasticaustin]

All this delusional bright future stuff is embarrassing. All We ever end with from British Politics are lame excuses that smell no better than the bum end of a dust cart.

[@unlikeable8619]

Welcome to the 21st century...where Turkeys vote for Christmas!

[@Theforestbandit]

free the sausages from the bacon

[@jameshogan6142]

And Starmer votes for sausages

[@Charlieb6308]

Why is it that the MSM don't report the mood of the country on social media towards this waste of space.

[@johnmurray5573]

Client journalism

[@Sam.o.29]

Social media doesn't reflect the mood of the country, if it did then Corbyn would've won in 2019 & Remain would've won in 2016...

[@spsmith45]

Plenty of trolls in this comment thread.