The Real Kung Fu Fighting of Lei Tai

Today we look at the Real Kung Fu Fighting of Lei Tai - the rules, my thoughts as a former competitor and current coach. Plus a highlight of how our Metrolina Crew did.
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[@NexusJunisBlue]

Thanks for sharing my footage of my highlights from the 2015 US International Kuo Shu Championship Tournament lei tai fights! 🙂 I love full-contact Chinese martial arts fighting, be it Wushu Sanda or Guoshu lei tai, and I hope it gets more recognition and support! To your point about your personal thoughts and experience, something I will say is that many of my sparring partners and friends have criticized and questioned the validity of Guoshu lei tai as a form of full-contact fighting. Initially, my impression of the lei tai fights was that fighters were very aggressive, and the fights themselves were very fast-paced. Since then, I have developed a very tempered view of them, especially after comparing them with modern Wushu Sanda fights. Many Chinese martial arts instructors and practitioners alike that I personally know, including my sparring partners and friends, some of whom have both cornered and participated in the lei tai fights at these tournaments, view modern Wushu Sanda as having a higher level and standard of competition and skill. This is because modern Wushu Sanda is a developed sport event, with a common benchmark of competition rules and skill levels with a certain “professional” league (although the distinction between “amateur” and “professional” Sanda is more about the rulesets, as the athletes that compete both are often the same group of people, so there is no real distinction between leagues of athletes as in boxing and kickboxing circuits), whereas the Guoshu lei tai circuit is purely amateur (though the organizers of these tournaments fully acknowledge this) with no real professional league to develop skilled and talented competitors in a similar manner to boxing and kickboxing leagues. An example of this is Vincent Meng, who has competed in both modern Wushu Sanda and Guoshu lei tai with his Taekwondo and wrestling background, having lost his first year competing at the 2017 US Wushu Sanda Team Trials, but by contrast has handily become champion in his weight division in Guoshu lei tai every year he has competed since 2016. It is worth noting that there is a positive correlation between the formal training of boxing and kickboxing by Chinese martial arts fighters and their level of fighting skill, and often a causative relationship can be inferred from this. We Chinese Wushu artists have a lot of catching up to do, including Sanda fighters; we need to study boxing, kickboxing, and wrestling properly. In the case of Guoshu lei tai, I would even go as far as to say that practitioners should study Muay Thai as well, since the practice would be very educational on how to properly apply knee and elbow strikes in a full-contact sparring environment. Some traditionalists and purists would argue against this, as they want to “stay true” to their styles by not straying from their forms. However, I would argue that since most Chinese martial arts fighters are already mimicking boxing and kickboxing methods to develop fighting skills, they might as well go all the way and exchange skills from Muay Thai, noted to be the “best” and most “powerful” style of striking in both kickboxing and MMA circuits, in order to see how apply the full range of striking techniques in full-contact, as well as how to improve in our actual fighting methods. However, although Guoshu lei tai is generally sloppier, it is still entertaining to watch, and often due to the mismatches, you’ll always find a show there, from many different stylists mimicking their forms, to those applying the most efficient Chinese martial arts techniques from a more conventional fighting stance like boxing or kickboxing. "Those ‘orthodox inheritors’ of traditional martial arts, regardless of whether they were lofty monks or local grandmasters, were either kocked out or scared out of the competition.Even though, at registration, every competitor identified themselves as belonging to a traditional style, every one of them engaged in secret auxiliary combat training of their own device." -Zhao Daoxin, Yiquan master, student of Yiquan founder Wang Xiangzhai, and ranked 13th at the 1929 Hangzhou Lei Tai Tournament

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Your video was awesome! So many good fights. 👍 I agree with what you said - people should cross train more often!

[@ShinobiGrappling]

Love your channel and what you do to promote actual fighting kungfu

[@medx15531]

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[@Tianshanwarrior]

Another rule is that if your opponent pushes you or you leave the letai 2 or 3 times in the same round you loose the fight.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Good point! Forgot about that one.

[@uktenatsila9168]

When I was a kid living in the east bay area northern California in the seventies, we called that Chinese kick boxing. It was great fun and very popular. Thank you for the video and sharing your fight.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Absolutely! Thanks for watching!

[@CombatSelfDefense]

I feel like Sanda/Lei Tai allowing more variety of takedowns than Muay Thai is a secret weapon that, personally, makes it more visually interesting.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Definitely! I feel it could truly be the bridge between Thai and full MMA.

[@tomnaughadie]

8:52 More on the sword fighting please. That looks fun.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Gotchu! Stay tuned

[@tomnaughadie]

@@metrolinamartialarts Will do. Thank you.

[@ThatFreeWilliam]

The Amtgard/Belegarth peeps really leveled up their outdoors foam-fighting game during the pandemic and they're all over the place. They've got some fun games and while some of the weapons look a little derpy (I'm talking to you, pool noodles) some people like the edged weapons or axes and if you ask a couple "do you want get together sometime and riff to some dubstep lightsaber remixes while taking turns filming" you're pretty likely to get an enthusiastic yes. Last one I went to, one group had this bar set with a table and some stools that you could tear apart to make weapons and shields, and this tiny little woman went full gobin mode and carried our team and it was just glorious.

[@TheVulgarSkill]

@@ThatFreeWilliam also people who get serious about it cross train everywhere now between foam and HEMA and lightsaber resulting in really well rounded fencers with good distance and timing.

[@ThatFreeWilliam]

@@TheVulgarSkill Yeah, it's a really fun crew and there's always a few people who are unexpectedly good. I also dabbled a bit with Lightspeed Lightsaber and Saber Legion but I prefer low gear/safe weapons. Fun fact: you can just wrap a lightsaber blade in stretch bandages and put a bit of that craft foam over it and it still glows fine but is orders of magnitude less hurty :)

[@TheVulgarSkill]

Lei Tai was my next competitive step after Kyokushin Karate and it's something I want to get back into when I feel physically ready for it again and get back in fighting shape. I train people for the weapons combat a lot these days for Chinese Martial Arts tournaments since the HEMA systems I teach work fine for it and most Chinese sword pedagogy is working on catching up to HEMA since in a lot of CMA there has been little emphasis on weapons sparring as opposed to forms. That's improving in leaps and bounds though.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

You totally should! It was a lot of fun for me when I did it.

[@beenright5115]

Interesting comment about the hema angle!

[@TheVulgarSkill]

@@beenright5115 yeah I've talked about this a little bit one issue with a lot of weapons forms in traditional martial arts is eventually people stopped sparring or applying them in actual fights and so while many arts kept a crystalized form or kata tradition they stopped developing distance, timing, and the skills even more integral to swordfighting than techniques. There are exceptions, but a lot of people can do a great tonfa kata but have never done even light sparring against someone while using one. HEMA on the other hand, as part of its reconstruction, had lots of free fencing and sparring from the beginning and therefore developed a lot of good weapons fighters despite lacking a "living tradition."

[@lady_draguliana784]

The verb you're looking for is "Yeeted" 🤣

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Yup! Totally blanked on it 🤣

[@JEM-fo6rs]

Been there, done that, I have the T-shirt 😁. Nice video about the event. I fought in the mid 90’s down in MD, I think Lei Tai is a great way for MA to compete in full contact especially Kung Fu stylist. You’ll see your flaws really fast on the platform, so Don’t go in with a point fighting mentality. Study the game first, train and spar with the cage head gear on to get use to the lack of visibility. Also breathing inside that gear is a art too 😅

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Breathing is always important 😅🤣

[@nachocheesyproductions]

lei tai was my first competitive fighting experience, its been 2 years and now I train boxing 7 days a week and I'm training for my first amateur boxing bout this year!

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Sweet!! Good luck - train hard!

[@EazyMac]

Good luck to you, brother!! Always inspiring to hear those with Chinese Martial Arts in their heart expanding their horizons and testing their skills, especially in combat sports. Stay safe and train well! 🙏🏼

[@ninobrown9600]

Great vid, love the Cowboy Bebop, real folk blues BGM sample at the end.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Thanks so much!!

[@definitlynotbenlente7671]

Now this is cool

[@metrolinamartialarts]

I know, right?!

[@ShinobiGrappling]

I’ll be out in the Carolina’s later this year for CACMA and will be fighting Lei tai.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Very cool! See you there!

[@juansebastianarredondo5366]

Sanda and kuoshu lei tai are different full contact combat sports, in a way, let's say that kuoshu lei tai is the Taiwanese counterpart of Sanda. Also, as far as I was aware, knees and elbows are legal in kuoshu lei tai under the Chinese Kuoshu association.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

They were not legal at ours due to insurance issues.

[@dreamsalamander]

Was wondering when someone would point this out. The difference between kuoshu sparring and sanda is significant, because the former started a few years before the current govt took over. After that, kuoshu was replaced with wushu, which was divided into Tao Lu for forms demos with lots of inserted gymnastics, and sanda for kickboxing. The grassroots traditional Kung Fu schools outside of the standardised umbrella slowly forgot how to spar, and thus became sources of content for the likes of channels like Fight Commentary Breakdowns, where u c traditional masters throw windmills into the air while getting beaten up by kickboxers. In an alternate universe where kuoshu lei tai had continued doing their thing in the mainland, it would have been the combat sport evolution of all traditional schools like wing chin, hung gar, chow gar, CLF, 5ancfist, etc, where they would have honed their real time fighting skills against each other, refining through trial and error, probably eventually developing a streamlined in fight system based on what works, while maintaining their diverse kata practices as a kind of cultural art

[@BMO_Creative]

Everybody was kung fu fighting! Dem cats was fast as lightning!

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Hahaha yup!

[@aldroid4844]

Full contact with Headgear and boxing gloves 😂 Last time I did full contact light sparring I broke two ribs and fingers ! So it’s hardly real fighting with boxing gloves on now is it?

[@BMO_Creative]

@@aldroid4844 Boxing gloves are weapons. People tend to strike much harder when their hands are protected.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

@@aldroid4844 tell me you don't know how fighting works without telling me you don't know how fighting works

[@marvelousdefenders8825]

I'm going to do it again

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Good - I have faith in you buddy. I want to do it again, too.

[@EazyMac]

0:00 Good sir- I only *ever* think about Kung Fu fighting!! 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼🤣🤣🤣 I trained Shen Lung Tang Shou Tao (spent a few months with Shifu Alex Shpigel - student of Mike Patterson - of San Diego, and then in Las Vegas under my Shifu who will remain unnamed for discretion) for three years privately, but I still feel like I have imposter syndrome lol 😅 As such, I'm admittedly a Neijiaquan Nerd hahaha Thank you so much for sharing this great video! It is ALWAYS a breath of fresh air to see passionate Chinese Martial Arts stylists go at it against non-compliant opponents 🔥🔥🔥 Keep up the good work! You have a new subscriber!! 🙏🏼

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Thanks for subscribing!

[@ttusna]

Even though some people had muay thai background, was everybody kung fu fighting?

[@metrolinamartialarts]

I believe they were.

[@MMarbleroller]

@@metrolinamartialarts Were them cats as fast as lightnin'? I think this is what the original question was getting at...

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Hahaha fair enough 🤣

[@ttusna]

In fact, it was a little bit frightening How you saw right through my comment

[@thelaggaifunk5688]

Thanks for sharing.. The martial art education..

[@metrolinamartialarts]

🤜💥🤛

[@kevinlobos5519]

This is so cool, I so wish there was this type of competition available in my area.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Dang - I wish there was, too.

[@chinatownchang]

Don The Dragon Wilson, Kung Fu Fighter and Kickboxing Champion

[@metrolinamartialarts]

It can be done!

[@MarylandJeetKuneDo]

Nice to see another JKD school competing on the Leitai. To bad y'all never made it up to the US Kuoshu Championship up here in Baltimore. You would have been much more pleased with the matchmaking, considering the brackets are usually full in most weight categories.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

I've got 2 people heading up there to compete in Baltimore this year. Lunchbox and JShawn - the guy in Grey shorts in this video.

[@MarylandJeetKuneDo]

Excellent. Let's link up.

[@shadowfighter6445]

This is really cool, I be down for it 😄.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

It's a lot of fun!

[@MartialArtsViking]

Thanks for this video, i fought myself already a coupel times in Leitai, it is really a demanding thing😅

[@metrolinamartialarts]

It really is!!

[@salve8496]

There's one that was over a river in Taiwan which looked AWESOME

[@metrolinamartialarts]

That sounds awesome!

[@peterlee9691]

0:03 What people needs to understand with watching Kung Fu movies with all the fancy choreographic moves is that it was drawn from old Chinese opera performances where emphasis on movement was paramount, so it's highly exaggerated and pretentious but entertaining for the viewers. Now we have a whole generation of people thinking this is real.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Yup - which is a shame!

[@hard2hurt]

Ejected... Expelled? It was interesting how few kicks were thrown. I wonder if it's more due to the lack of shin guards or the takedowns.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Column A or Column B - but when it was me competing, the lack of shin guards got it my head.

[@danielhounshell2526]

You do see a decent amount of kicks in these fights, but definitely less than you would in some other sports. The big reason for this is how good a lot of these people are at catching kicks, especially at the higher level tournaments, and if they catch it they can very easily transition into a takedown that leaves them standing and scores more points. You have to be pretty good at kicking and setting up kicks to consistently avoid that.

[@anthonyrota4677]

Any advice on how to find these tournaments? I can’t seem to find stuff like this in my area

[@metrolinamartialarts]

I was lucky - it just depends on how populous your area is.

[@tBarkEditing]

I competed in Sanda before, and funnily enough the platform we fought on was called Lei Tai

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Nice!!

[@Nemo-ii3bu]

If you watched the Kuoshu in the 70's and 80's, you'll find it more interesting than it is today. In the Republican era "Kuoshu" fighting competitions were also called Sanshou and Sanda. 散手 (Sanshou) = Free hand, Scatter hand, Diversified hand. 散打 (Sanda) = Free striking, Free fighting. But nowadays in Taiwan it's called Tushou Leitai (徒手擂台) = Bare-hand Leitai ,in the United States it's called Kuoshu Leitai (國術擂台) = Kuoshu Leitai. Kuoshu = National art Leitai = Fighting arena

[@ken244]

I fought WKA and definitely improved my fighting skills and confidence. I wrestled in school Boxed PAL and the style I train in is a Japanese/Okinawan mixed style to include Kodokan Judo and Ju Jitsu. A well-rounded system not only builds up a good arsenal but a strong defense too.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Very cool!

[@ComicusFreemanius]

"If you're _yeeted_ from the platform"

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Ah, yes! That's the word I was looking for!

[@ComicusFreemanius]

@@metrolinamartialarts probably "ejected" English is lacking on this lol

[@Raiden4019]

@@metrolinamartialarts I would submit "expelled from" as another alternative to float in your brain.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

@@Raiden4019 that's a good one too lol

[@metrolinamartialarts]

@@ComicusFreemanius I think that's it lol

[@dustinjones5146]

If there were any tournaments in MO, I'd definitely sign up.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

For sure!! Do ittttt

[@manuelzapata1192]

That sounds fun.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

It's a ton of fun!

[@MarkoObradovich]

That's cool 😎 I like it 💪👊

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Thank you!!

[@MbisonBalrog]

MMA gloves are the JKD gloves invented by Bruce Lee who learned KF

[@EazyMac]

Very intriguing that you say Lei Tai is your "next competitive step" after Kyokushin- I've somehow been under the impression that Kyokushin guys are very tough and bang hard? Might you please expound on why you feel Lei Tai is your next competitive step? Thanks in advance! 🙏🏼 Also, it's so great to hear that Chinese weapons fighting growing- As a Xingyi enthusiast, I've learned that the spear was very crucial in Xingyi's development.. I've even read someone go so far as to say "If it can't be done with a spear, it's not Xingyi" 😅 Either way- It's exciting to hear that Chinese weapons are growing in attention! Keep up the good work, and I wish you the best in your goals to fight in Lei Tai! Jiayou!!!! 🔥🔥🔥💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼

[@metrolinamartialarts]

I'd say because of head hits - even in head gear - upgrade it to slightly more realistic full-contact Kickboxing so it's an intermediary step between kyokushin and full-contact.

[@themetal]

I've always liked the Lei Tai.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

It's definitely cool

[@THEANPHROPY]

Most realistic & open all rounded form of Sanshou is the Military Sanshou as elbows: throws; ground fighting ergo grappling, chin na ergo muscle division nerve trapping & joint locking is allowed & of course as are all types of throws!!!

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Sounds awesome!

[@HealerTheMaroon]

Is that “The Real Folk Blues” in the background slowed down

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Yuuuup! Good ear.

[@Machina03exe]

I would love to compete in something like this!

[@metrolinamartialarts]

It's a lot of fun!

[@lady_draguliana784]

Like number 40! woo! 👍

[@metrolinamartialarts]

🤜💥🤛

[@CombatSelfDefense]

Also shout out that roomba

[@metrolinamartialarts]

It made an appearance!

[@adim00lah]

Yeah, people think all gung fu guys can't fight, lol. We had a lot of people from our lineage compete in lei tai, sanda, boxing, muay thai, and even mma.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Very cool!!

[@adim00lah]

@@metrolinamartialarts www.youtube.com/@alanorrwingchunacademy1302 Sifu Alan Orr is one of the lineage holders, not sure if you know of him. It is a more "internal" style of wing chun. All of us learned from Hawkins Cheung, Bruce Lee's best friend growing up in Hong Kong. Hawkins was like our Ip Man, the guy was the real deal.

[@gw1357]

Are there standing submissions?

[@metrolinamartialarts]

I believe so - but perhaps limited

[@ThatFreeWilliam]

I am suddenly interested.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

It is ton of fun!

[@ThatFreeWilliam]

@@metrolinamartialarts What do you think the best way to find that energy (people leaining into their own weird thing and then mashing it together on the mat to see what happens IRL) over in Sacramento, and maybe connect around the nation/world? I and a few others had been noticing an empty space where an Epic Anime Dancefighting League would fit (Amtgard/Belegarth but without the pool noodle weapons and with rulesets that encourage us to get caught on camera doing more uniquely awesome things...some of those kids have skills!) and this feels like mostly the same energy with a little added 'maybe-I-can-finally-turn-a-liver-shot-into-a-Hadouken' on the side.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

@Will Holz I'd say it probably exists in some regard. You just have to find what works! I know a few schools out there with different energies - so you just gotta start looking!

[@ThatFreeWilliam]

@@metrolinamartialarts I just finished a couple of long delayed surgeries and the PT's mostly done so that's exactly where I am! I'm a big fan of JKD peeps (they're disproportionately fun to try outside-the-box stuff with IMO) so I was just going to start there and with anyone who has one of those cool Karate Combat pits :)

[@dbuck1964]

Every martial artist, no matter the style, should do themselves a really huge favor and go spend one month training in a real pure boxing gym. The results will be incredible.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Definitely!

[@Tibosan2]

Exactly! I use to practiced kung fu and I went to a Savate training session (I'm from France) and I get my ass kicked in sparing by a 15-16 yo kid with a year of practice! Savate made me way better!

[@KingoftheJiangl]

How come people are coming so close without caring about eating a side kick or being thrown? Feels like a bit brawly, could someone please explain this to me?

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Not a whole lot of kicks thrown and plus the full-contact nature- I mean, they are generally amateurs lol

[@KingoftheJiangl]

@@metrolinamartialarts Ah gotcha thanks Sifu. We had world star chinese martial arts competition here in houston the other day, and it was bit like this as well, I think that's because people were wearing chest protectors so side kick or front kick didn't seem so bad, and also throws were banned. Thank you ~~

[@kennethchapin8722]

You own the Wutang guy, or does Rza?

[@metrolinamartialarts]

🤣🤣🤣

[@makaiev]

Damn Lei Tai is cool... Still don't wanna lose another teeth in a scrap, but woukd be awesome to fight in one of those....

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Yeah, without the mask I'd imagine it could cause a loose tooth lol

[@landoftheninja]

Yo you'd like karate combat if you like this

[@metrolinamartialarts]

I've liked what I've seen so far!

[@christophervelez1561]

Those cats were fast as lightening

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Wataaaaaa

[@Zack1440]

👍🏽

[@metrolinamartialarts]

🤜💥🤛

[@alexdow8042]

Can you grab the clothes? How long standing grappling is allowed?

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Standing grappling seemed to be allowed for 5 seconds or so - similar to K-1. You cannot grab clothes.

[@alexdow8042]

@@metrolinamartialarts Seems to me it's almost identical to Sanda in closed mask and mma gloves. I'm not expert though, but i think it's much closer to kickboxing/Muay Thai, than for Wushi skillset. Kudo/Combat Sambo rules are more Wushu relevant

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Interesting! Yeah, it's pretty much Sanda

[@varanid9]

I didn't know Russell Crowe knew Kung Fu!😮

[@metrolinamartialarts]

😅🤣

[@balamohammed5947]

so this to sanda like kudo is to kyoukushin, leithwei to muay thai

[@metrolinamartialarts]

I'd say yes, that's accurate

[@balamohammed5947]

@@metrolinamartialarts say you guys should do how a martial arts or combat sport becomes a new or different one due to change in rules and additions or subtractions of techniques.

[@THEANPHROPY]

Sandia aka Sanshou aka San Shou aka Lei tai!!!

[@metrolinamartialarts]

🤜💥🤛

[@kevinomahoney]

That ponytail, bruh…

[@metrolinamartialarts]

In the ref? Lol

[@Muay-MMA]

Today Kung fu is mordern Kickboxing/Muay thai and Boxing? Suppose one inch push, tiger claws, and such fancy movie moves just dont work anymore.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

I mean, they probably never did 😅🤣

[@AztecUnshaven]

Tiger Claw with a well conditioned bare knuckle hand is pretty nasty. It's not emphasized in competition because it's a "dirty" attack. It gouges orbitals, nose, etc. You absolutely CAN use it when you drill it enough and pressure test, but you gotta put in work. And if you're wearing wraps and gloves, it doesn't make sense to use it as much. If you think it's not real, go visit Sifu Don Hamby in Los Angeles, and let him land a Tiger Claw on you lol; you'll open your mind to it real quick. Want a video example? Onassis Parungao, a fighter from the early day bare knuckle UFC days, fought in those NHB UFC bouts TWICE and won both by finish. He Tiger clawed one of the guys in the eyes and immediately followed up with fast punches, a takedown and strikes from top position. Onassis is a Hung Gar/FMA fighter (he also used to spar with Cung Le regularly in the 90s).

[@Muay-MMA]

@@AztecUnshaven So, Kung fu means dirty fighting? I suppose everybody is Kung fu fighting and their mind becomes fast as lightening. You might as well take out a knife and just stab 😂

[@AztecUnshaven]

@@Muay-MMA No lol, Kungfu doesn't mean only "dirty fighting". It contains dirty fighting methods, but it also has plenty of "sport friendly" techniques too. There are 150 plus styles of Kungfu out there lol. It's extremely vast. The key here is to adapt your Kungfu method to whichever sport format you compete in. If your focus is self defense, then yeah you can and should train the dirty stuff too.

[@tjsho417]

Awesome video Coach! Pro Sanda fights can get as intense as Muay Thai sometimes though. There are video compilations of Sanda KOs on KZbin.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Yeah they're wild!

[@tmoss1900]

Tien Shan Pai.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

🤜💥🤛

[@harlemdeni]

Great video as always, just one thing and I'm gonna die on this tiny hill if I have to: barefoot vs shoed opponent should be banned forever, no matter the fighting style and/or level.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

I definitely didn't know about the shoe thing 🤣

[@Silversmith70]

Pretty sure if I got into the ring with any of those guys, I would have gotten my ass kicked =)

[@metrolinamartialarts]

They all are pretty good 😅🤣

[@budianto9874]

Hmmm?? 🤔

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Mmmmmmm 😳

[@alexfpower]

Dragon ball baby.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

You know it!

[@deadmeatgames2]

For the Algorithms

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Thank you!!!

[@ziggydog5091]

Real application of CMA is not sport centered it is combat oriented, if you are looking to sport you are looking at the wrong place, if you want to do that box and do Savat.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

It is MARTIAL arts after all. But if you can't prove it in a sport setting you can't prove it actually works.

[@ziggydog5091]

@@metrolinamartialarts I think it is funny that modern sportsmen assume when I say these thing that I don’t mean train with contact, or don’t train with opposition, I mean do those things, you and others will be injured without rules, without the safety equipment, but you will learn, this is how soldiers train, not actors, not “sportsmen” that want to relive their glory days. Real combatives that is the root of CMA. If you haven’t been taught these things you are either afraid, or your teacher doesn’t trust you.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

@Ziggy Dog that last line is unnecessary - why are you attacking? The point of Martial Arts is fun - but it must be practical. And if it is some hidden crap that only works in the dojo, then I've got news for you. It won't work outside if the 道場

[@ziggydog5091]

@@metrolinamartialarts I should maybe apologize, done martial arts for many decades with military people. I have seen a lot of people make assumptions about training and applications that got them injured and in a couple of cases killed. Sport is not combatives, “fun” is one of several important reasons to do martial arts, but not the most important, unless you are running a business for the public. Confusing sport and combatives can be a horrible, dire mistake in a true emergency. I think you are probably a nice guy, sorry if I gave offense.

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@Ziggy Dog sorry - the number 1 reason to train is fun. Maybe not to start, but definitely why you keep training. Combatives is cool and all but like, sport is a measure of veracity. Like sparring. Without it it becomes choreography. I get what you're saying, but no one was attacking CMA here. It's a video about CMA full-contact competition and how fun it is.

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ofc no real kung fu here but just the same kickboxing sanda stuff (cool sport nonetheless btw)...save yourself the hassle xD

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Is.... Sanda not Kung Fu?