What No One Is Saying About Korea's Deadliest Plane Crash!

[@pilot-debrief]

This was an absolutely horrific tragedy but it's a miracle 2 flight attendants survived! My heart and prayers go out to the victims and their families and my hope is the aviation community is able to learn from this to prevent future mishaps. If you want to learn about the 10 DEADLIEST Pilot Mistakes in Aviation History, then be sure to watch this video next 👉 kzbin.info/www/bejne/h6irZWl_esaDnKc

[@pfsantos007]

My thoughts, before watching the video - they panicked and forgot EVERYTHING, including the flaps and landing gear. Maybe even shut off the wrong engine. Not passing judgement, just pure speculation. But it's happened before.

[@YahWay.]

KAL007 You're a young guy, but surprised this didn't make your list. "Korean Air Lines Flight 007 (KE007/KAL007) was a scheduled Korean Air Lines flight from New York City to Seoul via Anchorage, Alaska. On September 1, 1983, the flight was shot down by a Soviet Sukhoi Su-15 interceptor aircraft. The Boeing 747 airliner was en route from Anchorage to Seoul, but owing to a navigational mistake made by the crew, the airliner drifted from its planned route and flew through Soviet prohibited airspace over underground silos with intercontinental ballistic missiles. The Soviet Air Forces treated the unidentified aircraft as an intruding U.S. spy plane, and destroyed it with air-to-air missiles, after firing warning shots. The South Korean airliner eventually crashed into the sea near Moneron Island west of Sakhalin in the Sea of Japan, killing all 246 passengers and 23 crew aboard,

[@meinkamph5327]

Do you do everything off ur phone? Some stuff is very obvious that you're blind to

[@Legomax7411]

@@pilot-debrief somehow survived

[@hankhulator5007]

Hi and happy new year to you and your family, there's another thing nobody's speaking about, @14:25 (the approach), we do not see any sign of hot air going out from engine #1, but we can clearly see it from engine #2, so #1 was either so badly damaged that the crew switched it off, or they switched off the wrong engine, which unfortunately happens quite often. Also notice that the #1 engine reverse was not deployed.

[@TheBillzilla]

Retired 747 Captain here - You echo my thoughts exactly. A *very* strange and seemingly unnecessary crash.

[@REDSHlFT]

I have a feeling it’s very possible they ended up shutting down the wrong engine and then really panicked 😣

[@TheBillzilla]

@@REDSHlFT We'll find out when the initial report is released. But yes, such things have happened before - The British Midlands crash in the UK for example.

[@the.just.able.biker67]

​@@REDSHlFT That's kinda what I figured out from this video as well.

[@REDSHlFT]

@@TheBillzilla Yes, it’s unfortunate very likely going to have been a largely preventable disaster that happened predominantly due to pilot error. I can’t imagine the stress, pressure and panic that can develop in a situation like that but just feels so much more tragic if it turns out it was avoidable.

[@mylastduchess9998]

How unnecessary it appears to be has made me even sadder. I initially saw the video of the crash, not realizing it was severe until the last second. The news referred to it as "an issue." It just looked like (from outside that plane, to someone who is not a pilot) that they all should have walked away. 😢

[@RetiredPilot]

I had a bird strike (actually a goose ) on take off of a fully loaded 737-200 cargo aircraft. The weather was 200 feet overcast and 1/2 mile vis. Initially it compressor stalled and we lost some systems. We would have had a very hard time climbing out on one engine. The engine did not catch fire and remained running by reducing the power to about 50%. I was a training captain and was checking out another Captain who was new to the 737. His job was to fly the aircraft, mine was to manage the problem and work out a game plan. With 1 and 1/2 engines were were able to return to the airport and do a minimums approach and landing. A couple of things in our favour, good training, CRM and two experienced pilots. One thing I had always stressed is not to shut down an engine that is still working and we needed that partial engine that night. After landing we inspected the engine and it was unbelievable that an engine with that much damage still produced some power.

[@KitsuneKiera]

Goose and a 737 200, let me guess Canada xD

[@michaelb2388]

Would have, not would of.

[@Carter2345]

It’s so strange that a bird, duck or goose could do such damage to a powerful engine. Is there anything that can be done to reduce the risk?

[@Carter2345]

@@michaelb2388🙄

[@tech5298]

Maybe have “michael33” read warnings to all Canadian geese, since he’s so good with grammar.

[@CinemaSteve]

That concrete berm is pure insanity. I saw a guy on the US news talking about how over 100 US airports have concrete berms with those systems in them but the type of concrete mixture they use basically turns to quicksand under the pressure of a plane. He explained it like a runaway truck lane. They’re there in case the plane has to be there but they’ll much more gently allow the plane to slide through it, slow it down hopefully, and keep people safer than slamming into pure concrete. I’m guessing the pilots made loads of mistakes but at the end of the day, they wouldn’t have had these casualties if the berm wasn’t made of concrete.

[@tjbeau5462]

We also have Engineered Material Arresting Systems (EMAS) in the USA at busy airports that are surrounded by buildings. EMAS is used in runway safety areas to absorb the kinetic energy of an aircraft, helping to slow the plane down. It's similar to driving your car through a very muddy road.

[@CinemaSteve]

@ that’s what I was talking about but forgot the name of haha. Thank you for providing more info on that!

[@NicolaW72]

It was indeed that massive concrete wall just behind the end of the runway which turned a runway excursion into a disaster with 179 fatalities.

[@SMGJohn]

Its South Korea what you expect? There just so much corruption in construction even to this day, its ridicules.

[@zatomb2574]

I agree. I know little of flying an airplane but even if the pilot made mistakes or the plane was damaged so much that it needed to be landed immediately due to the bird strike, that solid concrete wall is what killed them. That is what needs to be immediately studied at all airports to avoid another disaster where the plane makes a survivable landing but instead ends in disaster. What if there was bad weather and the plane skidded past the end of the runway? Wow all dead? That doesn't seem right.

[@athgt6630]

I've been flying for 24 years and I will never forget my first instructor for PPL saying, don't risk going around if the landing is a safer choice.

[@ottovonb60]

I'm not a pilot but I was a passenger on an airliner that aborted a landing just before we touched down, then when around for a re-do. That was a little unsettling but entailed no serious drama (fortunately). What is the risk in going around?

[@omorin34]

@@ottovonb60 In your case, no risk. The pilot was most likely avoiding a runway incursion, meaning someone was on the runway. But if your flying a stable approach, on the glide slope and something happens, us pilots are trained to land. The damage isn't going to get better and it is unlikely the pilot will not establish a stable approach again.

[@WinterGameplays]

​@@ottovonb60 Well, going around means that you have to regain speed and, obviously, keep flying, maintain lift, so a lot of things can go wrong, you can have a mechanical problem, you can have human error, as pilots have to do a lot of things to get back into the air and try to land again.

[@ETBrooD]

IF the pilot knows for sure that landing is the safer choice, THEN yes. But a lot of the time going around is in fact the safer choice. There are plenty of recorded accidents that could've been prevented by doing another go-around instead of being too focused on the landing. In most instances a go-around is safer.

[@athgt6630]

@@ETBrooD like you said, MOST, not all. This time it wasn't. Being PIC is all about weighing decisions

[@Robinbamv]

With close to 10k hours on B737 I think this is the best explanation of the situation with the facts available at this moment, well done Hoover

[@OdinReactor]

It really looks more and more like a cascade of pilot errors followed that bird strike. They panicked. The whole emergency lasted only 3 minutes and in that time they turned off the wrong engine, misconfigured the flaps, withdrew the landing gear and didn't extend it again, then attempted to land in the middle of the runway much too fast. Can't wait for the flight recorder data to be released.

[@kamakaziozzie3038]

I heard the VDR has been retrieved and listened to. Who knows when it will be released

[@melindaharrington7588]

​@OdinReactor You don't know for sure they turned of the wrong engine.

[@josam4545]

I'm not surprised. They're Asians. They're not built for the unexpected. Anything out of the routine sends them in a spiral

[@salpairadice]

@@OdinReactor first error was not just landing after the bird strike. Why go around? I know its hindsight but doesn't common sense say just put the plane down?

[@splagyetsi3287]

Retired 737 Captain here. Your debrief was very good and considered all the issues. Accidents like this usually occur with the failure of three or more items. This one is no different with potential airport issues regarding birds and dirt barriers, normal airline procedures (eg. land if on approach and experience an engine failure (this may not have been the airline's policy)), pilot training standards and experience levels plus possible aircraft systems failure which may have a maintenance component. This was a terrible tragedy. The accident investigation will discover the reason why and as has happened throughout aviation history any lessons learnt will be added to pilot training and procedures to improve safety.

[@memberwhen22]

hoover is a retired safety manager for the USAF, he knows

[@mortgageapprovals8933]

So as a pilot would you say you could have landed this plane with one engine, no ILS, and no land gear? I hope the answer is yes. You are flying during the day, no weather, run way visual. There is no reason why you could not do a go around, bleed off some speed, and land at a much slower speed.

[@Delibro]

@@mortgageapprovals8933 Commercial pilots not only can, but they train a single engine failure landing/flying/takeof at a regular interval, I think every six months. Lacking ILS wouldn't make a huge difference, no gear makes things more difficult, but we still are way distant from what happened in this accident.

[@misterjazz1034]

The Video was full of unsustained speculations which hurts the victims families. What is good at that?

[@wjkitching]

True most disasters usually have a chain of events very rare it is just one thing.

[@sidserv1978]

I am a retired B-1B, C-130, KC-135, A10, F-16, F-15C/D/E/SJ maintainer. When I first saw this and they said bird strike, my first thought after the bird strike they got over task saturated and changed checklists and didn't complete the landing checklist. I have a feeling that this one is going to be interesting when the black boxes are read.

[@mikes.2471]

What can pilots do if both engines sucked a big flock of birds upon take off, causing both to stall?

[@peted5217]

Ya, no landing gear thing is key

[@margaretmathis4775]

This is my thought as well. Have we heard anything about the experience levels of the pilots?

[@robertoortiz7684]

I thought it may have taken out hydraulics but I dont know much about planes. Its usually something simple like you described though.

[@geoffmarriott4387]

@@margaretmathis4775 Hoover stated in the video(2:25) that the Captain had 6800 hrs and the FO 1600 hrs

[@angelagreen3642]

I know nothing about flying or planes but you explain plane stuff perfectly and I understand everything you say. And you're very kind and compassionate.

[@1linkbelt]

Very true!

[@modernviewer]

Just stumbled upon his channel last night and was waiting for this upload! 🙏🏽

[@user-zp9br7jk9k]

i don't understand much of it... but he clearly knows what he's talking about... i hope investigators watch his videos.

[@VisceralVenom]

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[@richardgreene9220]

Hoover does an excellent job presenting facts while working hard to avoid speculating, which is easy to do. When things go wrong, Time is of most importance. Time to observe, evaluate, plan, activate the plan, evaluate, adjust the plan, activate etc. All of this till termination of flight, hopefully with a safe ending. Crew Resource Management, Teamwork, mechanical operation, and fuel available are important factors providing Time.

[@autoscape1963]

No one could ever accuse you of being rash or judgmental Hoover. You are a real pro. Looking forwarding to your analysis when more information is available. Outstanding work as usual.

[@pilot-debrief]

Thanks, I appreciate that.

[@411Adidas]

Saying I don't want to speculate and then making an entire video based off speculation is counterintuitive. Gotta get them views though, gotta make that content. 😬🤐

[@TheBlightspawn]

⁠@@411Adidasgotta make those snarky comments eh

[@spilot1016]

Can't say the same about the pilots. Seems like extreme incompetence.

[@atomgutan8064]

​@@411Adidas To be fair, if you want to talk about possible factirs that contributed to the accient before the final report, you have to speculate.

[@coolvi6015]

Possibly the most comprehensive video without jumping to any conclusion so far. Love the fact you extensively speak of the RSA.

[@CRASH.CORNER]

Completely agree! It’s refreshing to see such a balanced and thorough explanation without jumping to conclusions. This kind of analysis keeps it real. 🙌

[@lownow7640]

When this happened, one of my first thoughts was what Hoover would have to say about it. Didn't expect an off-schedule video though so thanks Hoover for giving us your always rational, expert and compassionate perspective in such a timely fashion.

[@markmaz56]

Just a picky observation... a flight between two different countries - Thailand and Korea - is NOT a domestic flight.

[@brettbatz695]

Oh good . . . I wasn't the only one that made that observation

[@SuperEdge67]

Yep I noticed that.

[@Megreatbellend]

I noticed that as well! Easy enough to misspeak, Hoover does a great job with this channel!

[@kjws0809]

Americans think thailand and south korea is same country?😩

[@Miick3y]

They both look the same

[@robertoswalt319]

Thank you for making an intentional effort to separate speculation from truth. You are someone I can trust because you don’t resort to hyperbole, or gimmicks to attract viewers and I appreciate that.

[@M_SC]

Yes. Though the title it a a bit clickbaity

[@misterjazz1034]

Its just grifting of a tragedy like usual. Doesnt make it better to say "I dont want to speculate, prayers to over 100+ shattered Families, but here are x speculations what it could have been". 'I wont donate a single cent from the 10k+ I will make with this video. Bye bye' You dont see respectable flight channels publishing Videos, because no one knows before there is a report. And unfortunately his Channel is the ethically low end of pilot youtubers. The glaring errors like "domestic flight" and a bingo card of causes of the accident have nothing to do with educational purposes.

[@ridhosamudro2199]

​@@misterjazz1034how do you know he makes 10k+?

[@ryaneylee]

This whole video is just full for speculations though. Did you even watch it? Or do you lack critical thinking skills to tell that he's been speculating throughout? Starting with trying to tarnish the Koreans on culture by trying to associate the crash with a different older crash by a different airline. Then speculating it could be fatigue. Then speculating whether the airport staff in question were prepared for international flights. And so on.

[@ryaneylee]

@@misterjazz1034 very spot on. I've also noticed his comments section tend to be filled with the ethically low end type too that's often quick to jump to certain biases, when there's female or non-whites or non-Americans involved, when i watched some of his past videos. And a lot of his past videos also lack the same kind of meticulous and unbiased investigation that channels like Mentour Pilot did. This video just confirms my suspicion that he's been monetizing off disasters trying to present it as some sort of 'debriefing', when he's just presenting a bunch of speculations as 'the truth'.

[@babyboomer9560]

Bingo…in the last part of the video he mentions that there might have been so much going on that they forgot to put the gear down. Happened to me in my in training for my commercial certificate. I was in the Mojave desert flying a Cessna 210 . It is VERY windy, gusty, hot, with a LOT of crosswinds and updrafts over the hot asphalt runway in July and dust devils. On final there were so many things going on(dust devils, strong crosswinds, extreme updrafts from runway setting off stall warning beeps temporarily, and wind whistling thru window seals) that I could NOT hear the warning buzzer that my gear was up. I was about to touchdown (only about fifty feet above asphalt ), my instructor thought that I would hear the buzzer and go around…but I didn’t. He grabbed the yolk, put full power on and we went around. He asked “didn’t you hear that buzzer?” I said “No”

[@SurnaturalM]

Is it possible that the wheels were up because it's a go-around item on the checklist? I'm not a pilot, I won't pass the medical test. But a friend of mine is. His plane is a Beachcraft Bonanza, and I remember him telling me that when you go around, you must get everything that can slow the plane down out of the way. That would be the reason why the spoiler wasn't extended, too. The reverser being in function is a sign that the engine was probably working. But the other must have caused huge vibrations, so it was shut off. They were probably in a hurry to get the plane down. So they didn't take the time to do a "landing checklist" It seems they touched down with go-around parameters still in place. I would like to know what you think about this. I remember being with my friend in similar circumstances as you described. It was overwhelming for me as a passenger, so I can imagine how it can be when you are the person in charge. And there was just him and myself. All these alarms were going on and he had to keep his cool. I have a lot of admiration for him. I know him since high-school and we're now both in our 50s.

[@victorowens9150]

A pilot who uses a "yolk" instead of a yoke.

[@c_cain]

@@victorowens9150 Hate it when you're frying eggs on final and the yolk takes off from the pan.

[@stracepipe]

I immediately thought of the PIA plane where they forgot to lower the landing gear. To me it looks like they didn't give themselves enough time to go through the various checklists.

[@Hagop64]

@@victorowens9150 It's possible autocorrect changed it from yoke to yolk. Seems like the past 5 years my phones autocorrect has gotten worse and worse, often times changing correctly spelled words into entirely different words for no reason.

[@jamescoghlan8401]

Factual, objective, respectful. Your stuff is always watchable because you inform in a way novices can understand whilst avoiding sensationalism.

[@Vanisle-cat]

You always acknowledge the lives lost and pain suffered in these videos, which is what makes it possible for me to watch them and learn, even though I'm "only" a passenger on planes. Thank you.

[@CRASH.CORNER]

The respect and empathy in these videos truly make them stand out. It’s not just about the technical details but also honoring the human impact. ❤

[@shitstorm222]

I am so angry at the design of this airport. If the plane had simply being allowed to skid to a halt without smashing into a reinforced concrete wall, it's likely everyone would have survived. Who signed off on this design? It's crazy.

[@KutWrite]

Thank the politicians who "needed" the airport there.

[@steveswell1]

@@KutWriteDesigned as a military base in the late 90s, it was recently "made over" for commercial flights, the BKK route beginning December 8th. Original estimates of 9 million passengers per year never materialized and peaked at half a million, dropping to 200,000 recently. Compared to Incheon's 100 MILLION, hardly a bustling enterprise.

[@erikhaack4123]

Exactly. What's a wall doing at the end of a runway??¿??

[@whisky3k]

Then don't fly. Not all countries have ample land like in the US to have large buffer areas around the airport. There are airports where the end of the runway goes off into the sea or even off a cliff. Even in Scotland, there is an airport where the airport runway faces an embankment, except the embankment is actually a railroad embankment elevating a railroad track. And don't even think about flying in Nepal - you'll not just be angry, you'll sh*t you pants. If people like you were in charge, you'd bi doubt demand a 10 KM buffer at the end of all runways, but that won't happen because not airports have the space to accommodate every accident scenario. My point is that pilots have to understand the limitations of different airfields. Blaming only the design of the airport is you glossing over the fact that a lot of wrong things happened before the embankment became a factor. When the final report comes out, the embankment is going to be just one factor contributing to the accident. You can't just pretend that the pilots weren't at least partly responsible, because the first hole in the cheese was them deciding to go around instead of landing right right away.

[@KutWrite]

@@steveswell1 Right... precisely due to the "political reasons" the narrator referred to.

[@bradshea4895]

Great job Hoover. Very informative and respectful. RIP to all lost in the tragedy.

[@artnull13]

Aside from the clickbait title - bit arrogant imo

[@gandydancer9710]

@@artnull13 I'm still not sure what no one else is supposed to be saying.

[@billydeewilliams9104]

@@artnull13 project much?

[@artnull13]

@@billydeewilliams9104 not at all buddy, but I can see you’re triggered. Don’t worry Hoover will notice you defending him.

[@twogunrider1592]

Decision making and human factor in this kind of situations is actually the most important part. impulsive and emotional decisions can bring you to a moment where you forget even the simple basics. It's always easier to sit at home and saying what they should have done or could have done better. It takes a lot of training, studing and practice to stay calm, analize fast, precise and bring the right decision. On the other hand it is the routine that also brings a pilot to not thinking about the worse case. I am talking in general, not specific for this accident. It is a pleasure watching your videos Hoover. We can learn a lot from you. Thank you.

[@chavale2]

Correct 100% Dude;

[@chavale2]

12-13 rips over 2 days too many ....fatigues death

[@chavale2]

trips not rips my keyboard srry

[@phapnui]

Once panic takes over, the end may be near. I could feel arise it a few times when flying or last time I was backpacking but focusing on task at hand made it go away.

[@jhoughjr1]

Most ppl never get a real adrenaline dump. We need more info to know what hapened though. I do think pilot error could be a factor.

[@priscamolotsi]

Like many others here, I was eagerly awaiting your take on this crash. You didn’t disappoint .Thank you!

[@CraigCholar]

Hoover covers factors that few other commentators think of mentioning. It's why he's the best.

[@TeresaFairchild]

Yes he is. Plus he is such eye candy 🍬! I know your wifey agrees. 👍

[@bodystomp5302]

And why this channel has blown up with 712K subs.

[@maxmackinlay618]

The only new information he provided was to blame the control tower. Apparently it was their fault the aircraft landed halfway down the runway with the gear up 5:23

[@bodystomp5302]

Nonsense.

[@renater.540]

​@@maxmackinlay618 he explicitely said that he did not blame anyone, but that several factors including the tower activities have to be considered during investgations.

[@ruben1808]

You are the one, I was waiting for this video just after I saw the horrible footage. Thanks very much

[@gernottimm4549]

Many videos on youtube about this tragedy from all the well-known and lesser- known aviation pros. Your debrief is the best!

[@michaelshrader5139]

Too many of them are only looking to blame the pilots... that irks me, we don't know nearly enough to blame those pilots not at this point anyhow.

[@JO-qn8gy]

The reinforced concrete wall on the runway was camouflaged to look like a mound of dirt so that the pilot did not even know it was there. Criminal negligence of the city officials who signed off on the airport construction.

[@mdbk2]

I believe this is what happened: On final approach, they encountered a bird strike. They initiated a go-around but, by mistake (as has happened many times before), shut down the wrong engine. Shortly after, they either realized their mistake or noticed that the plane wasn’t producing enough thrust and assumed both engines had failed. Either way, they chose to keep the remaining engine running in hopes of generating at least some thrust. At this point, their only option was to attempt the so-called "impossible turn", a 180-degree turn back to the airport. Fearing they wouldn’t make it, they retracted the landing gear and flaps to improve their chances. After completing the turn, however, they found themselves too high and too fast. In the stress of the situation and focused entirely on landing, they forgot (or realized too late) that they had just retracted the landing gear and flaps, resulting in a landing with the gear up and no flaps deployed.

[@bobbygetsbanned6049]

Seems very plausible.

[@aaronciviris]

nahhh they knew they were landing at 200 knots. They landed like that because they chose to do so. . what they didn't account for.. was the ground effect, the tail wind and of course, the obstacle at the end. . 🤷

[@WallyAMV]

Looks like they already had the Gear retracted though. In that video showing the compressor stall the gear almost certainly appears retracted at that point and that was on their initial approach apparently not the turn back. I suspect they'd initiated the go around during the initial approach after the bird strike, got themselves cleaned up for it and then during the go around something else happened as they did appear to climb, perhaps at this point they started the shut down procedure and selected the wrong engine, found themselves descended due to having very little or no thrust now, then they turned back and either simply forgot or didn't have enough time for any else and were just focused on making the runway.

[@aluisious]

I think you're likely correct, and it's still completely incompetent at several points: turning off the wrong engine, and forgetting the gear and flaps. The pilots killed everyone on that plane.

[@OMGWTFLOLSMH]

Some or all of this is maybe true, and my guess is that's it's multiple pilot errors that caused this. It seems entirely preventable in hindsight. How could this happen when there is around 9000 hours of flying experience between the two pilots?

[@mikenb3461]

I'm a former RCAF meteorology guy. The weather office was a 24-hour operation on all bases. I can confirm that between 4 AM and 6 AM is the worst time for human performance. No disrespect here, but there were many night shift when I would have rather been dead than awake. Criticize me if you need to, but at that point, even with proper rest periods prior to shift, your body is demanding sleep. Humans aren't meant to be awake that long and at that hour. Fantastic video. This is a great explanation of what the cause may be, and this is a deeper mystery than many others. I think your theory that the pilots were so overwhelmed (and fatigued) that they didn't even know they forgot to drop the gear is likely correct.

[@brianwills3757]

Why does no one point to the obvious, the jabs caused brain malfunction or myocarditis!

[@logsreports8049]

Hoover is THE go-to guy for this type of incident...always calm and measured in his analysis.

[@salllu]

Appreciate the fact you were so respectful to the pilots and the people who died and avoided all unnecessary speculations...

[@DaniloBarcenas-n1q]

He knew already Pilot's error

[@pointofXreturn]

but this guy says it was pilot error when it definitely wasn't. So he blamed dead that can't defend

[@ilovestarship]

@@pointofXreturn it was pilot error though

[@Dan-di9jd]

@ilovestarship how so? Regardless of what errors the pilot made, he did in fact did a text book landing and got the plane successfully on the ground regardless of the errors in his decision. The key factor to the crash was the concrete structure instead. The Korean media is not bringing it up at all but the American-Korean news networks are bringing it up. It seems like they are actively trying to shift the blame to the pilots rather than the poor airport design.

[@cdncitizen4700]

@@Dan-di9jd It does not seem "textbook" at all and we won't truly know what drove the pilots' decisions or their rationale, until investigation experts analyze the Flight Data Recorder and the Voice Cockpit Recorder. Why didn't they give themselves more time for a proper approach with flaps, slats and gear deployed? All should have been available to them, instead of a risky belly landing. Perhaps they were too concerned with drag and reduced flight path, instead of configuring for a controlled landing.

[@Worthrhetime]

You always approach the subject with respect. Top notch work.

[@chrisanderson4799]

Jet Captain here. To me it looks like the #1 (Left) Engine has completely failed and the #2 (Right) Engine was failing. It was definitely Compressor Stalling. My guess is they hit the birds, went around, and things started to go very bad very quickly

[@epincion]

You make a lot of sense

[@Grandpa_Boxer]

You never disappoint! Perfect compassion mixed with objective facts.

[@AshorneinAotearoa]

Been patiently waiting for your "debrief". As always, not disappointed. Thank you. I absolutely adore flying and aircraft, but have PTSD & OCD (non flying related) so also suffer a lot of anxiety when a passenger. You and a few other channels have helped alleviate this a little, as well as only booking certain aircraft, when possible, and knowing as much as possible about the airline, route, sounds, changes in sounds etc. Now I feel I have to add runway position/location, layout, obstructions near runways to my preflight checklist. Not really a factor I had thought about before, as I felt it was a given there'd be none. Most airports I have landed in are by the coast and/or golf courses. I'd expected a mudflat runoff, bunker entry, or occasional golf ball encounter. This case has affected me, as seems so completely wrong. I guess as a layperson you think that if you make it onto ground in one piece, you're safe. I imagine the passengers thinking that, also. My heart goes out to all those connected to this flight, in whatever capacity. I wish you, one day, to find peace in yourself with this disaster.

[@theGENIUSofART-understood]

i used to get very nervous flying. now. i just accept the risk of death.

[@Guy-Gibsons-Dog]

Victim Card Bingo.

[@bbaraider]

I've been waiting patiently as well.

[@Mizstreifen]

@@theGENIUSofART-understood Same here. I used to keep count of the number of times I've flown, but I've flown so many times since 2003 that I lost count. I've been lucky in that nothing has ever gone wrong on any of my flights (that I was aware of), but just like driving, you can do everything perfectly on your end and still get caught in a bad situation. I just keep myself as up-to-date on safety measures as I can.

[@theGENIUSofART-understood]

@ yup. then no stress. acceptance of the possibility is key

[@GerryMurphy-sl1ti]

I respectful explaination, thank you. As a 15 year Pilot/sim instructor on the 737-800/Max I would just add one thing. As you mentioned on the -800 you do not require WOW to deploy the thrust reverser and even with loss of hydraulic Sys A&B the reverse can still be deployed thru an internal sys "but" the engine has to be operating for this to work. As you correctly point out the #1 engines thrust reverser is not deployed and not heat track evident. Great work!

[@bsimic29]

How do you explain transponder stopped to send ADS-B data? Does a 737-800 have an automatic switch to restore power to AC bus(es) in case of an engine or a generator failure or pilots have to do it manually?

[@pilot-debrief]

Thanks!

[@GerryMurphy-sl1ti]

@@bsimic29 It is an option for the transponder to switch to #1 in the event of a loss of both generators, my understanding is that this aircraft was originally a RyanAir machine, usually LCC's keep options to a minimum

[@ThePilot_USA]

@@bsimic29 There is auto-tranfer of AC buses on the B-737 NG.

[@Hacktheplanet_]

My favourite video so far. Kudos to you for being respectful and objective

[@weeliano]

This is one of the best debriefs! Not speculative and respectful! Glad you didn't rush to push out this video! Looking forward to your follow up after the official investigation concludes. Your analysis should serve as a aviation safety reference for all pilots!

[@jimhofer8496]

@weeliano lol, Hoover gets laughed out of the avation accident circles.

[@gcharouhas]

A combination of factors, including a bird strike, loss of power, pilot fatigue, panic in the cockpit and poor airport design will undoubtedly all be cited as the causes of this tragedy.

[@dawid1803]

Cause is always singular. If there are multiple causes then none of them is a cause. The only cause that is singular and that is true cause is simply wrong landing.

[@paulsccna2964]

I agree. And as Hover said, CRM might be a factor here also.

[@iwaswrongabouteveryhthing]

Lack of training

[@michaelb2388]

A bird strike shouldn't cause a tragedy unless it affected both engines. The airport design was awful but it didn't cause the plane to land on its belly with no undercarriage or flaps going much too fast and landing long, halfway down the runway. I know we're not supposed to speculate but panic in the cockpit and poor decision making seem like the most likely candidates

[@ezragonzalez8936]

The crew, for reasons unknown, rushed the landing, taking only three minutes from declaring an emergency to the failed landing attempt. They used nearly half the runway before the aircraft even touched down. The ILS wall was inconsequential, as there is a perimeter brick fence just 50 meters beyond it. Whether the ILS wall was present or not, the outcome would have been the same!

[@android1617]

This was a real bad one. Thanks for being respectful and not shoving an ad in somewhere.

[@matthewhill2467]

The pain of 179 souls lost is unimaginable. A very touchy topic few would dare approach but you have absolutely nailed it. Critical thinking and observations made with the right mix of respect and sensitivity backed by a wealth of knowledge. Thank you for your insight and rest in peace to those lost.

[@BamaCyn]

A surprise 01/02/25 upload. Great way to start the New Year. Thanks Hoover for covering this tragic accident. Wishing you and your family a very happy, healthy and prosperous New Year 🎉❤

[@andrewkelly628]

Thank you, Hoover, it's important that someone with your level of credibility sign in on this. Your thoughts and insights are invaluable.

[@henrysawson2165]

This is an accurate and incisive comment. My congratulations to the author.

[@davidlevy706]

Without naming names, I was disappointed to see some of the other aviation KZbinrs rushing out their videos as quickly as possible - and jumping to conclusions in the process. As expected, Hoover took the time needed to compile and present the available information in a responsible, respectful manner. Thank you, Hoover.

[@gandydancer9710]

@@davidlevy706 Name names and tell us what erroneous conclusions were jumped to so that we can evaluate your otherwise empty comment. I'm not fond of this "wait for the report" trope. The tim,e top start trying to figure out what happened is immediately. If further information changes the picture that's fine.

[@davidlevy706]

​@@gandydancer9710 I stated that some of the aviation KZbinrs jumped to conclusions. Which conclusions were erroneous remains to be seen. I said nothing about waiting for the accident report before covering the subject. Hoover obviously didn't do that - but he waited long enough for the initial details to emerge with reasonable clarity and consistency. Then he presented them in the appropriate context, without overstating their significance or understating the ongoing investigation's importance. Others - and no, I won't be naming names - raced to be first instead of striving to do their best. That might benefit from KZbin's algorithm, but it certainly doesn't improve the signal-to-noise ratio.

[@gandydancer9710]

@@davidlevy706 Why this reluctance to name names?

[@hawaiianetops9566]

This is probably one of the best balanced explanation so far.

[@ashokbhagwat8858]

I am a retired Boeing 737-800 & 777-300 Captain . Its better to wait for the FDR and CVR recordings before any conclusions are drawn .

[@TexasStormChaser]

It's pretty obvious the pilots of this aircraft were not qualified to park a minivan, let alone fly a plane.

[@louniece1650]

​@@TexasStormChaserOuch 😬

[@6z0]

Woah buddy. I fly a Skyhawk and know that. I think even PPL trainees know that. Get off your high horse

[@seacradev5400]

Guess you didn't pay attention to the last minute of the video.

[@TexasStormChaser]

@@louniece1650 Not really. They aborted a perfectly good landing approach, only to attempt an impossible turn like bro was flying a Cessna for literally no reason whatsoever. They forgot to lower the flaps and landing gear all while shutting down engine 1, which appears to be the wrong engine. I assume this is why they didn't touch down until mid runway floating at the height the gear would have been touching, they were expecting the landing gear to hit the pavement that never happened. People worship pilots like they are incapable of being idiots. These guys were idiots that shouldn't even be licensed to drive a car. I hope the families sue the airlines out of business.

[@John2801Walsh]

Very good analysis Hoover. A tragic accident. Many questions unanswered. You highlighted many key issues. You explain things very clearly for us armchair (non-aviation) experts. Thank you.

[@shawnas.4459]

It’s unfortunate that people are more focused on correcting the fact that you misspoke, rather than focusing on the actual information being provided…. Absolutely love your channel!! Keep up the awesome work!

[@jimhofer8496]

@@shawnas.4459 speculation is not information. Hoover is speculating for clicks.

[@helenweedon7716]

​@@jimhofer8496well of course he put the video up for clicks. It's how he earns money from it. Like most You Tube videos.

[@FlyingtheLJ]

I think this was an excellent review of the accident without jumping into wild speculation or sending lynch mobs after red herrings. The discussion of the RSA was the most thorough and complete of all the videos on this accident.

[@angelalalley7593]

I think this video was done very respectfully and thoughtfully. It’s so heartbreaking to think that everyone would have survived if that berm hadn’t been there!

[@rogerarchibald2627]

The reinforced concrete wall/berm was devastating to the plane, but the assumption that everyone would've survived if it wasn't there is incorrect. There were other structures in the path before the water.

[@lawrencedavidson6195]

@@rogerarchibald2627 So no structures should be in the path too near the airport. A poorly designed airport.

[@gandydancer9710]

@@lawrencedavidson6195 It was 350 yards from runway end to the localizers, which should be plenty. Putting them on a berm as the way to get them out of floodwater wasn't advisable, but runways aren't planned for end-of-runway 150mph exits. Very few airports have runouts that go on forever.

[@lawrencedavidson6195]

@@gandydancer9710 I now hear that the airport had plans to remove the concrete structure but were waiting on funds. (So they knew it was a danger all along)

[@mmmqua]

​@@lawrencedavidson6195 You obviously haven't been to a lot of airports...

[@victorialawhon2251]

I was waiting for you to discuss this. You are my go-to channel for all things aviation.

[@MADHIKER777]

If both engines went out, I can see the reason to land fast with no wheels or flaps to increase the glide distance. What killed all those people is the airport design.

[@phillarnach9484]

Maybe the too high/too fast approach killed all those people.

[@maxcorder2211]

Thanks, Hoover, from an old B-52 pilot. Appreciate your detailed analysis as always. It will be very interesting to get an official report after the investigation. Probably take a year or so.

[@gandydancer9710]

Should get a prelim report in a month or so.

[@49kittypretty1]

Great video as usual. Pilot Debrief with Hoover is one of the very best channels on KZbin both for aviation subjects and related issues.

[@pilot-debrief]

Thank you, I appreciate that!

[@Evarboi]

I knew you’d have this vid, great job btw

[@MultiSciGeek]

Very well balanced, and crystal clear explanation without overspeculation. Thanks.

[@travelwithus750]

Such a horrible disaster. I was so confused at this accident when I saw the first video. Glad ya covering it. Also Hoover done upped his background game. Looks good. 🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@adamdouglas-j1o]

Thee is a public interest in understanding this horrific tragedy; your impeccable objectivity is to be commended and hopefully will lead to the truth coming out so that lessons can be learnt from what happened and so prevent such a tragedy ever occurring again. Well done on your presentation, Hoover.

[@TheBelrick]

My 2 cents is that should it be pilot error, the focus will go onto the airfield and the true culprits covered up.

[@manfredconnor3194]

​@@TheBelrickI doubt that they can cover up the screwy configuration that they landed with. It sure looks like a case of panic and rushing instead of following protocol.

[@critical_always]

A a European ex First Officer having flown B737-300 / 400 for an Asian airline I can tell you categorically that every Asian airline has this cultural problem. Keeping quiet so your superior can save face is more important than getting things right. This was a source of constant clashes with captains and the chief pilot. It eventually ended my career after 2 years. Nobody would hire me after that as employer references were negative.

[@kevinmoffatt]

I suspect that the pilots will be ex military and training records will reveal regular shortcomings in past performance assessments

[@rameshnaidunooknaidu7810]

💯 it's not only rampant in aviation but in every field. I am a doctor, and I had burnout and left medicine altogether because of similar issues.

[@epincion]

@@rameshnaidunooknaidu7810yup, your comment reminded me of an incident years ago. I’m a retired academic oncologist and during my residency training 30+ years ago in Toronto we had a newly qualified Korean oncologist come with his wife and young family to take up a two year Fellowship. Just 6 months in he got a call from the big boss in the hospital he was to work at back in Korea. Basically he was ordered home as they had a sudden need for a new staff oncologist. He resigned his fellowship in Toronto and packed up and left. We residents, the other fellows and the staff oncologists supervising him could see he was both sad to lose the opportunity to train further in a world renowned cancer center and furious with his boss. I asked him why he did not refuse to return and he told me that if he did refuse and defy his boss then he would never ever get a job as an oncologist anywhere in S Korea. Such is the extreme power of obeying orders without question in the S Korean culture.

[@PAGoTribe1963]

Great job as usual. You always manage to balance your knowledge and expertise against the grief of those impacted. This initial video explains a lot and I’ll be looking for the follow-up.

[@bobbycv64]

Thank you for your professionalism on this video, pointing out other items I didn't think of. I am a Pilot myself, however, WE ALWAYS learn from others. I wish that CONCRETE barrier was not there. BTW, thank you for your service, I believe you were USAF flying F15E. Bobby USN Aviation.

[@AlanMichaelJackson]

Been waiting for you to cover this, thanks Hoover. You're the best at what you do.

[@2nd_of_3]

Breaks my heart.. Totally Survivable 😢

[@joeL-m7q5m]

except for the concrete block wall at the end of the runway.....

[@michaelshrader5139]

Would almost certainly have had a better outcome at least, had they not had that raised earth and concrete berm there. It is true that you cannot provide unlimited free space for a plane to over-run across, but remove that berm from the equation and there would have been a significant amount of extra space for the plane to dig in and slow down and that would have translated into fewer deaths the further out the plane can slide. Just saying.

[@chrisgrundberg9212]

I've been waitng for your take on the crash...thanks.

[@dyates6380]

Hoover, you do SUCH a great job on these, and I especially appreciate your attention to respect given to all the affected victims and their families. Such a sad, sad tragedy.

[@sgtbaxman6720]

Hoover, if you get a chance, see if you can view the longer version of the video that shows the apparent bird strike to the right engine… but give your attention to the LEFT engine. My wife actually picked up on there appearing to be a bit of debris or smoke to that engine, as well. Albeit, considerable smaller and less noticeable - but I saw it once she pointed it out to me. Would love to hear your thoughts on that. This was a very tragic incident, but - as always - I appreciate that you recognize that, and also do not place blame before the facts are known. Could have been pilot error, but it also could be that they were facing far more trouble than we know, and they were heroes for almost getting that thing on the ground (had that berm/concrete not been there, the outcome could have been far different and favorable). Time will tell. Thanks for another great, educational video. Keep up the great work.

[@captaintoyota3171]

Ever with both engine loss they should have had apu/ wind powered hydraulics. Or pull the gear drop manual cables, flap manual deploy. But YOU GOTTA GO THRU CHECKLISTS fully to do these operations

[@mmmqua]

Yes, according to eyewitness reports, it's very likely that left engine took in a bird(s), a bit PRIOR to that clip of the compressor stall out of the right engine.

[@MikeMiller-rw9tu]

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[@GeometryEX-hp9zs]

@@mmmqua If this is the case, the only correct option is to keep descending, even if it means running off the runway. However, I still don't understand why they didn't lower the landing gear and flaps when they were so close to touchdown.

[@SuperBae11]

You are correct. Both engines were failed.

[@KR-ev5lj]

Thank you for this very calm and respectful video. RIP everyone who was lost in this tragic accident.

[@kendrapratt2098]

Thanks for covering this, Hoover. Special edition, on a weekday!

[@scottw550]

That is the most comprehensive explanation of the accident I have encountered thus far. Everyone on board flight 2216 survived the landing; unfortunately, there was a solid brick wall near the of the runway. It is unfortunate that time travel is impossible, but it is often said that rules and regulations are written in blood.

[@drummersagainstitk]

Absolutely fantastic post. Thank you Hoover. YOU'VE TAUGHT ME A LOT.

[@markmedley6849]

I didn't even think about the pilots possibly forgetting to put the landing gear down due to all the chaos. It could have happened. How scary for everyone on that plane and sad it ended the way it did. Thank you for posting your thoughts on what happened.

[@riverwildcat1]

Excellent work, Hoover. You've answerd the biggest questions I've had, which all other commentators don't even recognize. The followup is bound to be very illuminating. Pilot error looms large as the primary cause, considering the fatigue factor.

[@pmatti01]

Yes, So much seemed to be stacking up against these pilots, I really feel for them. In A very short timeframe at low altitude they had possibly both engines damaged by bird strikes and also electrical systems failure, with seconds to react only had instinct to rely on. I wonder if even the best pilot in the world could do any better.

[@albertshilton5336]

Thank you for this video. It’s one of the most precise and concise videos I have ever heard about what could’ve caused this accident. I am also a commercial pilot and appreciate the risks that you took in suggesting what could’ve occurred. Thank you for what you provided for all of us.

[@nomaar1717]

The very first throught I had when I saw the initial reports on this was, "A concrete wall at the end of the runway????!!!!!" How?

[@tt14life90]

Yeah. Why is that there?? Crazy. I've heard other channels talking about that.

[@nickknox.]

Not so much how but why? Good lord.

[@DanOBrien-q1g]

That airport doubles as a military airfield as well .. and apparently there is a flood risk too .. hence a wall

[@favourmiracle7094]

@@DanOBrien-q1g The wall serves to purpose apart from being a cheap alternative to buying strong robust ILS system stilts that can withstand the rough weather.

[@Lakhshamana]

They made an antenna platform from full concrete instead of compacted dirt reinforced by concrete

[@seth1340]

Hoover awesome job, respectful to everybody involved, such a tragedy good job on catching many details and just stating the facts. Possible second video upon release of more information?

[@marycmccarthy6319]

Thanks!

[@jbenthere627]

I always like your reports. You make it clear that you are NOT speculating but discussing known facts at the time of your video. I don't mind you discussing facts about the systems and why or why not they may or may not have contributed to that plane. I can't tell you how many videos have popped up where "It was bird strike that brought the plane down...", "It was shot down by a missile...", "Poorly trained foreign pilots...", "Another Boeing failure...". The biggest issue I constantly see is the retaining wall past the end of the runway. Seeing the last few seconds of those passenger's and crew's life and the impact/explosion of the plane is heartbreaking. It's a known fact that without the wall there, there's a possibility that the death toll may have been far less.

[@godblessamerica7048]

Forgetting essential procedures can have fatal consequences. My three friends' tragic deaths were the result of the pilots neglecting to complete the taxi checklist before takeoff; the first item was setting the flaps, which resulted in the airplane stalling as soon as it left the runway. Northwest Flight 255 crashed at 8:46 PM on August 16, 1987, shortly after taking off from runway 3C at Detroit Metropolitan Wayne County Airport (DTW).

[@johnnunn8688]

Why?

[@respect-b5r]

I recall the pilots were distracted by an unauthorized person talking and distracting them on the flight deck at takeoff.

[@johnnunn8688]

@ that was some hours before the crash, they would have got over it by then, Shirley?

[@jbrubin8274]

6:32 Many years ago I was flying into a very small airport. It was mainly used for private pilots and very small 10 seater planes. Before landing we had to wait as they let out a dog they used to chase the birds away before takeoffs and landings.

[@wingmanjim6]

A superb "pre-analysis". As always, super respectful and very logically presented. No one does a better job of helping us understand and learn from unfortunate circumstances than Hoover - another sincere thank you out to you, sir !

[@ezragonzalez8936]

we need to wait for the final report before making any judgement so many things we are all making ass sumptions!

[@E.V.E101]

@@ezragonzalez8936 you have a reading comprehension issue.

[@wingmanjim6]

@@ezragonzalez8936 I think Hoover made that point quite clearly. We are in agreement !

[@XtermanboyX]

I have been waiting for this video, thank you!!

[@yourgreymattermatters]

Been anxiously awaiting your thoughts on this Hoover. Thanks and Happy New Year! Liking the new office digs! I wonder about smoke in the cockpit?

[@thomasadkins7159]

Hoover, you bring comfort to people. You are a gift.

[@BenRias]

Thank you for covering this one so quick. I know more facts will come out later, but this initial coverage from you is great👍🏽

[@johnalexander4513]

Hoover you are always on top of these crashes letting us know your thoughts and opinions. I came here to hear your opinion on the Fullerton kit build crash. You didn’t disappoint with this overview. Good job.

[@h.v7461]

I was thinking could it be possible they forgot to lower the gear in the chaos and you answered it. Throughly enjoy your debriefs. You are thoughtful, considerate, insightful and a true professional! Thank you!

[@tima.478]

Seems very possible as they traveled almost half way down the runway before touching down...like they thought the gear was down...at least to me.

[@thedocnak]

@@tima.478 the aircraft knows if the landing gear is down and lets you know that its not.

[@notsponsored103]

For anyone curious about where the compressor stall video was shot from: There is a 5 or 6 floor hotel exactly 980m (3215ft) due south of the southern tip of the runway. This is the only building in the area with Glass and Stainless Steel Balustrades. The plane is flying North overhead on initial before the go-around with the Sun to the East.

[@MeppyMan]

Thanks. Was wondering if it could be mirrored, which can happen when posting online sometimes. But if what you say is accurate that would rule that out.

[@notsponsored103]

@MeppyMan yes, the mirror idea was what motivated me to get this detail accurate. If you find the location as I described it, it is a new building that has not yet been captured in Google Street view. However, there are many customers photo's corroborating the balustrade details already in their link on the Google Map.

[@julianholley2358]

Why did they take the video though? Do they film all arrivals??

[@deuce9star]

@@julianholley23581) a lot of people do plane spotting and film planes on arrival. 2) perhaps the person filming heard the loud pop from the initial bird strike compressor stall and pulled their phone out. The engines produce multiple stalls before it either stabilizes or the pilots shut it down. So what we saw on video I believe wasn’t even the bird strike. It was a compressor stall that happened after the bird strike.

[@Sasquatch_123]

​@@julianholley2358 Some people said this video was filmed by a guy who is also a pilot and he was alarmed by the strange noise he heard as the plane was approaching, so he rushed to the balcony and recorded this video

[@Paul1958R]

Thank you for your service. My father was a USAAF B-29 navigator in the Pacific 1944-45. He died in 2016 age 94. He kept - and I have - his original flight jacket with squadron insignia.

[@stonew1927]

You can serve your country without being part of the military. In fact, most Americans do, yet nobody says to them "thank you for your service."

[@michaelbush58]

God Bless you and our country.

[@stonew1927]

@@michaelbush58 God blesses all creation equally. Spirit does not favor one nation or group of people over another.

[@pooryorick831]

Thank You. This really explained the basic mechanics of what happened in a way that makes sense. I'm glad I found this channel.

[@MetsterAnn]

Juan, Denys, and you have all pointed out the same things. It will be interesting to eventually get the cockpit voice recorder and see what truly happened. I suspect that amidst the smoke, alarms and possible power differential in the cockpit, it will be another case of situational awareness lost and the wrong engine shut down-we’ll see. But the berm was the real killer and these petty politicians wanting to turn a nice regional airport into an international airport yet using cost cutting methods like a dirt and concrete berm, not using airplane stopping materials at the end, short runways--those are the real killers. The Swiss cheese seems to be full of holes here, and it starts with whoever allowed it to be built like that. My prayers to the families.

[@4stringmanagmaildcom]

I think you are correct. The right engine is producing at least some thrust. The left doesn't appear to be. Like the Manchester accident many years ago, where the pilots shut off the perfectly good engine by mistake due to stress over load, I think this will be the same.

[@iansmith4184]

"Nice" regional airport. It's surrounded by nesting grounds. The place was a deathtrap that never should have been built.

[@MetsterAnn]

@ Ok, I’ll give you that. But there are ways to handle birds as Hoover pointed out. Were they doing any of them? The point is the holes started lining up long before those pilots got there.

[@bearlemley]

Pilot error. As a test pilot back in the day, I would hate for anyone to jump to this assumption on one of my crashes (or saves) as they were not there. As someone now with 50 years experience and 30 years in CAT d. I do know that with a flap system failure you have to do the checklist and be on the correct speed when you touchdown at the approach end of the runway. Crew coordination. We had great weather in a cat C aircraft landing at OMAD with a ‘interesting’ copilot, when the flaps failed to move 30 miles out. (Tower wanted us to slow down). We asked for a couple of vectors to run the checklist and found we were landing flaps up. I asked for the landing distance and and ref speed from the charts as we were lining up for the finial again. Still fumbling around, the copilot was getting flustered that he could not find the data we needed from the QRH (paper). I tried to calm him down and told him to take his time and that we could just overfly the airport from the FAF altitude to start the missed, and we had plenty of time of fuel (probably about 2 hours). Copilot wanted to succeed and not be the cause of the hold up so bad that he made up the numbers that we needed to land. They were 30 knots to fast with a slightly longer than accurate (at the proper ref speed) adding distance but it was 75% of the field length. When you have to fly it on the runway you know you are fast. Fortunately I put it on just at the 1000’ marker. There was nothing exciting about this landing though we did use most of the runway. The point is one crew member was flawed in order to save face and that could have lead to more mistakes.

[@CorvusHyperion]

Thanks for that anecdote, very informative.

[@TheEngineer404]

Thank you for your coverage. The street view of the airport shows the mounds on both ends of the runway for the ILS equipment.

[@adriandacruz9018]

This is the best, most concise explanation I've seen on this incident. I'm not a pilot, i work in finance, and this is easy for me to grasp and learn from.

[@songbirds3712]

Oh, I have been hoping for this video. Just to have you put your expert eyes on video and stills. Thank you so much.

[@XaverDu]

To be honest I was a little surprised to see a video from you online already about this accident, but in the end you handled it as usual in a very professional way and what is more important to me without throwing any speculations out into the internet, because that does not help at this time when the investigation just started. Keep up the good work Sir.

[@BillAnt]

Once the full investigation has been completed, there'll be a "Mayday Air Disasters" episode.

[@nathanjohnson9911]

@@BillAnt absolutely, i get the feeling we will have regulatory change of some sort when this investigation is complete.

[@ThinkfreeorDie]

​@@nathanjohnson9911no concrete barriers at the end of the runway perhaps?

[@red2977]

@@nathanjohnson9911 We can only hope that given the scope of this disaster changes will be implemented that will help save lives in the future. At least some good can come out of this tragedy.

[@akwasiboat]

1:00 How is a flight from Thailand to S. Korea domestic?

[@CzarTissue]

Americans aren't too good at geography 😂

[@MartinHarvey]

trans- continental sounds better!

[@flowerfallen]

hey bankok is part of korea confirmed

[@ericdraven7857]

Maybe certain groups of aviation consider all Asian countries domestic?

[@323Transportation]

This is a fantastic, well-produced video. Lots of very informative graphics, and superbly presented.

[@ero1456]

Great review as usual

[@bigmotter001]

I agree with another commenter below about NOT using click bait titles. It is starting to become too prevalent within the KZbin community. Long term it will hurt your channel and turn viewers off! Thanks for all of your posts Hoover and take care!

[@edwardlawler9487]

All about algorithms with YT now nothing can be done about it

[@E.V.E101]

@@viciousfish6145 give me another video that is as detailed as this.

[@tin2001]

​@@viciousfish6145 Unfortunately they kind of have to so that the ridiculous algorithm doesn't hide the videos. And I mean from subscribers too. If the videos don't get within a certain percentage of views of their normal viewership within an hour or so, the system decides to not notify subscribers, and doesn't promote it as a recommendation. It can be weeks then before they get their usual view counts, and in that time, other videos stop being recommended as well, because the channel isn't as popular anymore. It's the TikTok-ification of KZbin at work.

[@omally]

​@@E.V.E101Did we hurt your feelings? Can you answer the question, without asking us to prove something unrelated to the question?

[@motrock93b]

@@viciousfish6145 Hoover gave a much more detailed analysis, including more important facts than most other evaluations of this accident. And he did it while adding in some logical possible factors, without directly speculating or making claims of what happened.

[@markbrady2019]

This is the best video explaining of what happened to JUJU Airlines that crashed in South Korea, everything he explained was outstanding but we will wait for more information from the FAA of what happened from the Black box recording. This is an heartbreaking big time, but very sad,

[@DonotBot]

Great unbiased informative video... Thank you for not speculating and just reporting what information we have with your experience to support!

[@NjOntop-d9v]

1. How would a Bird strike affect the Landing gear? 2. Why didn’t the pilot use gravity to drop the gear? 3. A lot of people could’ve been saved if there wasn’t the damn Wall!

[@sentientdogma1206]

Pilot blog said that they were frantic to get on the ground, 7 mins from bird impact to landing. They might have done an engine shut off on the wrong engine, and then had no power. Not enough time to activate APU so therefore no hydraulics. They might have still been able to get a little power from the struck engine since they never shut the struck engine off therefore that one was active with reversers on. Another angle shows the un-struck engine on the left side with no reversers open and no visible heat coming off of it during landing meaning the left engine was probably shut off.

[@ConkerKing]

They might have forgotten whilst under stress... Although uncommon it's happens more often that you'd think.

[@TheBelrick]

If not that wall then the boundary wall. The fault was purely the actions and inactions of the pilots.

[@TheBelrick]

@@ConkerKing Anyone can become a pilot. Literally. They can have long successful careers... as long as everything goes as plan. Then they get Sully tested and their weaknesses are exposed and people die.

[@felolfelox324]

@@TheBelrick the boundary wall could not have that much damage to the plane

[@Serenity_Dee]

I've been waiting for your video on this!

[@bigdogoutdoors4985]

Thank you. You command respect with your professionalism and compassion.