The REAL Pocket Cinema Camera

[@Organalog]

Sony RX0 II with Film Emulation Footage kzbin.info/www/bejne/ipbTaoR5p7Kcldk

[@richardweddle3408]

Thanks for this review. Will this camera record 4K to an external SD? is 24fps possible?

[@CartyCantDance]

For anyone wondering: Slog2, phantom LUTs, zebras for exposure. You can do a lot with 8 but as long as you get your exposure right. Maybe not a “cinema camera” But a cinema camera is anything you shoot a movie with, so whether it’s a phone or an ARRI both could be a “cinema camera”

[@Organalog]

You're right about 8bit especially Sony's 8Bit it can be pushed more than others. The idea of Cinema Camera, everyone has their own definition though.

[@AdmiralSym]

Just picked one up for a good deal. I used to make a lot of videos with my GH4 but just haven’t in a long while. I think this little camera will help me get back into it somewhat

[@outsidebrendan]

Great video. I have an RX0 ii and mount it on my insta360 flow gimbal, the results are excellent and it’s a great durable/packable setup.

[@Organalog]

Glad you enjoy this little camera too!

[@VENAXIS]

Pretty cool little camera! I wouldn't call it a cinema camera since it's a fixed lens and also 8bit, but it is certainly cool and has its uses. I'd call this a compact camera similar to point and shoot but at a very small size. A real pocket cinema camera is probably the Sigma FP since it's close to its size, FF sensor, and 12bit Uncompressed RAW.

[@Organalog]

I love this little camera, still amazed the quality it produces. 8 bit can work if you don’t push the image too much. I wish it was 10 bit though. There have been movies shot with 8 bit cameras that have shown in cinemas. That makes it a cinema camera to me.

[@VENAXIS]

@@Organalog Unfortunately it wouldn’t or maybe in extremely rare cases. The whole point of a high bit depth is to allow for extended latitude in post. If you’re funding for a movie to make it to the cinema, shooting it in 8-bit is counterproductive, and no distributor in their right mind would accept it today. 10/12+ bit cameras today are quite affordable and come in all shapes and sizes for all budgets. However with that said, it can certainly work as a C cam or crash cam.

[@Organalog]

@@VENAXIS certainly most distributors don’t ask if you shot in 10 bit or not. Where did you hear that? What matters most is the story you’re telling, and I’ve seen beautiful 8 bit movies. Blue is the Warmest Color for example.

[@wakkowarner8810]

@@VENAXIS only an editor would care about the bitrate you used; if you properly light your scene you can get away with 8bit footage but if you use an 8bit camera you can’t fix things in post, you need to get things right in camera.

[@VENAXIS]

@@wakkowarner8810 yeah sure show me how to shoot against a green screen in 8bit 420.

[@MartinBleazard]

yeah this guy is begging for a new iteration, 10 bit, autofocus, and sharper slow motion. there's also the ribcage versions which are dope

[@Organalog]

I hope so 🤞🏻

[@Dionne_Sheree]

Gorgeous footage! Thank you for the introduction to this camera! I like the uniqueness of your takes and angles on this channel!

[@arnisbrown5848]

There's a community of FPV drone filmmakers that use and mod this camera mounting/adapting fast vintage lenses as wide angle speedboosters with awesome results. Bummer Sony abandoned this and the X3000. Hopefully DJI makes a 1" sensor version of the tiny Action 2 with D-LOG someday. Love the novelty of a miniature but high quality camera you can stick anywhere.

[@Organalog]

Yes! A super high quality 10 bit in this size or slightly larger would be amazing.

[@DirectingSven]

10 bit 422 960fps in 2.7k at least

[@TheReelport]

Where can I look for those mods?

[@yipyap5456]

@@TheReelport Sony RX0 II FPV or Sony RX0 II Backbones (thats the company that sells the lens kit - everything together will cost you around 1.300$)

[@TheReelport]

Looks like osmo pocket 3 is ticking many boxes actually

[@xdrive12345]

It's amazing that such a small camera has built-in gyroscopes and it is possible to stabilize the image using the free gyroflow program from these gyroscopes. I try it several times and after such software stabilization, the picture looks very smooth even without using a gimbal

[@Organalog]

Thanks for sharing that, haven’t tried it, super cool to hear.

[@xdrive12345]

@@Organalog! you are welcome! you can also correct rolling shutter effect with that program (by changing frame readout time parameter)

[@DronoTron]

Gyroflow gives a new breath of life to this camera.

[@ArminHirmer]

I use mine since a while, have even the Anamorphic (mobile phone) lens with 37mm thread on it. Works great

[@Organalog]

Very nice, I thought about trying an anamorphic on it, how do you like it?

[@ArminHirmer]

@@Organalog amazing quality for the size of the whole package :)

[@ArminHirmer]

@@Organalog I converted my Sony to M4/3, so if you want to have the Anamorphic lens, let me know.

[@Organalog]

Very cool! Congrats, I'm sure you will have a lot of long lenses@@ArminHirmer

[@ArminHirmer]

@@Organalog mostly old Super 16mm cinema lenses. If you want the anamorphic lens, send me your shipping details. I give it away :)

[@nyrubin]

I used to shoot all my vlogs on the rx0ii until I lost it in Bolivia. Image quality is close enough to a full frame sensor, you would only see the difference looking at them side by side

[@Organalog]

I agree people get to caught up in the specs of the thing and don’t see the quality it has, thanks for sharing your experience

[@nyrubin]

@@Organalog I bought the osmo x5R caught up on the specs, the video quality it produced was almost the same as the regular x5 but the cost was 3x after learning my lesson I never again worry about the specs, if it looks good it looks good

[@Organalog]

Well said!

[@SoundOfYourDestiny]

You realize that full-frame is a still-photo format, right? For generations, most major movies have been shot on 35mm film, which yields an APS-C-sized image (AKA Super35). The same goes for most major movies shot on digital cameras. Full-frame results in excessively shallow DOF and a field of view that does not match standard cinema optics. It's useful when you need to achieve a wider angle with less-esoteric lenses, but be aware of the increased likelihood of missing focus at any given aperture.

[@nyrubin]

@SoundOfYourDestiny all the new cinema cameras are rolling out with full frame sensors. Full frame sensors do better in diverse light. I'm not one to care about the specs, I just want w.e looks better and ful frame cameras just look better than smaller sensors

[@FilmSpook]

Awesome camera! This little cinema cam is a BEAST! 😎

[@breakdownentertainem2433]

Nice Video, I didn't know about this camera . Very interesting!

[@Organalog]

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it. Love this little camera.

[@swoopyfpv]

nice video. i use it on my fpv drone (with a zeiss exo x.6 lens for wider fov). in slog2 i push saturation to max, color noise seems to be less. in addition you can import your 4k footage into gyroflow and stabilize it quite quick (similar to catalyst, but i like gyroflow more)

[@Organalog]

Haven’t tested that yet, good to know your experience. Thanks!

[@EposVox]

Neat!

[@dimitrimoonlight]

I use my Android phone with app can shoot raw in casual situation. The image is stunning ❤

[@Organalog]

There’s an app for this camera? I didn’t know. Thanks and yes it is stunning!

[@dimitrimoonlight]

@@Organalog motionCam pro

[@david4563]

Do you know the Back-Bone ribcage rxo2 ? This mod allows you to use 8 and 16 mm c mount lenses. This vintage lenses could help you to get the cine look and to de-sharp the digital look.

[@Organalog]

I’ve heard about it, I do think it’s interesting and looks cool. Although I think the built in Zeiss lens is spectacular. And would prefer a simpler setup for what this camera is made for. Thanks for your comment!

[@exploringgodscountry]

I carry an a6400 but recently switched to a zv1. I really wish sony supported 10bit HEVC though. If I dont nail my exposure and white balance... then it gets hard to grade the HLG shots on the stuff I do on my channel. Love the little package of this camera though... how does it compare to ZV1? Any idea?

[@Organalog]

I’m not familiar at all with ZV1, but I would love it too if the RX0 II was 10 bit as well. Also from what I remember this camera doesn't have the HLG profile.

[@exploringgodscountry]

@@Organalog dang, that is awesome. I was looking at specs on manufacturer website for the RXO but could find bit depth. It makes a big difference in my edits as I cannot always dial everything in perfect. ZV1 is great. It works just like my a6400 but has a fix lens.. although the audio is quite horrible, so I always have to try and take audio from my other canera.

[@Organalog]

the RX0 and RX0 II is 8 Bit only it shoots in SLOG 2 but I don't think it has the HLG Profile. @@exploringgodscountry

[@ValleyFPV]

Its not a Real cinema camera. Its a tiny toy. Internal recording is 8 bit. No thank you. Shooting flat log in 8 bit breaks down fast when graded. No swappable manual focus lens. I desire comple control to shoot true "Cinematic" images. "cinematic" is an over used term these days.

[@Organalog]

To each their own, I think it produces great images for 8 bit

[@hiteshchand]

Atleast in this video quality looks good

[@Organalog]

I appreciate that thank you@@hiteshchand

[@blacksolidChrome]

@@Organalogalso you have to keep the size in mind! Yes 8bit, but at that size and weight I would say it’s probably one of the best video signals you can get for this parameters!

[@Linked02]

Someone could do a lot with a toy. You likely have more expensive drones and cameras and come out with bland and uninspiring footage. Cope.

[@mitchhifi9192]

Sony is about to release a mirrorless small form factor Camera, makes the 7c look large

[@BlaineWestropp1]

well I need one.

[@godsakes]

High end gopro yes but cinema camera is quite a stretch... if you're happy with the image quality, outside of the action camera situations most people would be better off with a sony ZV-1

[@Organalog]

Nah, GoPro isn't even in the same quality as this little camera. IMO

[@jroar123]

The DSC-RX0M2 cost $750 dollars. It's way too expensive for what it is.

[@Organalog]

Find it used for cheaper!

[@DronoTron]

You can find used ones for 100

[@greenlightstudios3469]

Its good if you plan on vintaging lutting your footage, seems like it breaks apart easy you you might as well destroy it :)

[@Organalog]

No it's just good in general too.

[@GreenishlyGreen]

Ugh, i want one of these with the c mount mod so bad 😭

[@Organalog]

I’ve seen people do this modification with the kit, I love the built in Zeiss lens too much to do that haha but I understand why people like that mod. Thanks!

[@shiokhabdullah9619]

I have one.Image quality is great! Otherwise,No auto focus, no stabilization, worst battery life also it has sever heating issues,no 4k 60, no touch screen,Has some audio issues. And it costs around 700usd. Truly disappointing!!

[@Organalog]

If you find it used you can get a good deal. It’s not a perfect camera but for the image quality to size ratio, haven’t found anything better

[@costagf]

At that price wouldn't a Sony RX100V or ZV1 be a better buy? both have a f1.8 to 2.8 24-70 equivalente lens, same 1" Sensor but better AF/processing etc

[@Organalog]

It’s something to think about, but the RX0 II has other options like waterproof and also being even smaller than those cameras.

[@z352kdaf8324]

Xperia Pro I has the CAF and dual f/2.0 f/4.0 manual switch. Those might not survive in a drop test in the RX0 body. There's a lot going on inside the RX0 series on AF.

[@cnproductions1288]

Could you share Pinwheel Park and Our Private Portugal? Would love to see them!

[@Organalog]

I appreciate the interest, I just didn’t want to link them directly cause they are intended for different audiences, but if you search them on YT I’m sure you’ll find it. Thanks again, hope you like it.

[@cnproductions1288]

@@Organalog I found Pinwheel Park, but couldn't find Our Private Portugal?

[@cnproductions1288]

@@Organalog Thank you!

[@Organalog]

Thanks for checking them out!

[@linuskarlsson9449]

Does this camera have genlock?? It looks perfect for shooting 3D drone footage if it does. :)

[@Organalog]

Hey, I don’t know if it does.

[@EternalMedia]

RX0iii is desperately overdue. Is anything in the pipeline for Sony? The marketplace clearly has an appetite for non-traditional form factors for cameras. DJI Pocket 3 is going to be very disruptive.

[@Organalog]

There’s something about this camera maybe it’s the Zeiss lens or the 4K oversampling that puts it above the rest in my opinion. I hope they update it, in fact I wouldn’t mind a version of this camera that was 2x bigger haha. Who knows what they will do though.

[@SuperSonsinho]

Nice video. How's the ISO?

[@Organalog]

in SLOG 2 I believe its 1000, so you need ND filters but it's not the cleanest at all in low light, but I like the noise in grain in higher ISO, it feels filmic to me.

[@gordoncasey7490]

That thing has a look wow

[@Organalog]

Yeah I know! It's beautiful right, I really hope they make a 3 Version with 10 BIT color

[@otter-pro]

Skip to 5:59 for footage from the camera.

[@jan-k7x1c]

I think if Sony would have managed a Rx0iii it would be amazing… sadly the facility that made them burned down (at least from what I’ve heard) I own one just because it’s such an obscure little camera :)

[@Organalog]

Oh I hope they don't give up on this little camera. Would love a III version, with 10bit and a little bit bigger. One can dream. 🥲

[@DoubleMonoLR]

It was the AKM factory, which makes ICs (seemingly mostly or entirely for audio) for cameras for different Japanese brands such as Sony, Canon & Nikon, despite some news reports referring to it as a "Sony factory" They started up production again of at least some chips last year. It doesn't seem it should've affected this camera any more than other cameras Sony makes.

[@mirrorlessny]

@@Organalog + continuous autofocus & GoPro hypersmooth stabilization 😁

[@Organalog]

and 10BIT! Please@@mirrorlessny

[@mirrorlessny]

@@Organalog that too of course, it's 2024 😅

[@AndreGranjo]

Shooting in Portugal? NICE!!

[@Organalog]

I'm Portuguese!

[@AndreGranjo]

@@Organalog oh... Desculpa!! Não percebi isso imediatamente pelo teu canal... e pela excelente qualidade do teu inglês!

[@Organalog]

Não se desculpe, nasci nos Estados Unidos, mas minha família é de Portugal. Obrigado por escrever para mim.

[@manoskor1979]

Its so cool but i wouldn't pay 800 for an 8 bit camera to be honest

[@Organalog]

I understand it's not for everyone. There are good deals of it used sometimes. But yes, I would love for a 10 bit upgrade to this camera.

[@theowlfromduolingo7982]

Pretty interesting camera. But for the price it doesn’t make much sense for the majority of videographers - a misunderstood niche camera. I also wouldn’t call it a cinema camera even though it has some interesting features.

[@Organalog]

I understand the price point, but I think it’s a really powerful camera that holds its own against other professional cameras.

[@gmuk101]

I am waiting for mark3

[@Organalog]

I hope there is one and it’s 10Bit

[@KptnBlowFly]

Far too expensive. I just say dij4action, less than half price, 10 Bit color depth. How old is this model?

[@Organalog]

2019 I think, I would love a 10 bit upgrade, but this camera is beautiful now.

[@quazar912]

so far I saw a lot of grain in video...and why dimming after 1 second? at the end if this camera don`t have image stabilisation - it`s useless

[@DoubleMonoLR]

From Sony's specs it is a *nominal* 1" sensor, but it's physically considerably smaller than that (just under 2/3" diagonal): 1.0"-type (0.52" x 0.35") Exmor RS® CMOS sensor It seems it's the same (size at least) as in their very popular RX100 cameras. Seemingly all "inch" size named sensors (1", 2/3", 1/1.7", 1/2.5", and micro four thirds aka 4/3") are likewise physically about 2/3 the size of their name, due to retaining the antiquated measurement system from tube sensors - which almost entirely stopped being made in the 1980s.

[@youranonymous931]

When you say "cinema camera", what is meant by that term? That it can shoot 24fps? Just curious as i always here this term being thrown around but don't actually know what it means

[@Organalog]

Thanks for your comment, the term varies widely from person to person, there is no specific universal definition. For me, a bare minimum is things like a Log shooting format, 24fps (23.98), build quality and just the subjective look of the image that far exceeds other action style cameras in my opinion.

[@youranonymous931]

@@Organalog Thank you for the reply!

[@NEOGRAYFILMS]

I think can be the perfect camera for a drone! Great review. Thanks!

[@Organalog]

Thank you!

[@upcloseoutdooradventures]

@@fosterbuster2840great camera for fpv drone. Strawhat aerials has a lot of KZbin videos w it

[@DoubleMonoLR]

Only if you know, and can set it to, the proper focal distance beforehand(unless it had a way to be remotely controlled), due to the lack of continuous autofocus. It would seem a pretty awkward solution.

[@upcloseoutdooradventures]

No...dont speak as an authority when you have no clue on the subject. This is becoming a increasing popular viable lightweight solution on fpv drones that fit certain use case scenarious (though i think there are much much better options for various reasons). Most fpv drones utilize manual focus when carrying full frame/apsc or cinema cameras@@DoubleMonoLR . Sony cameras (not this one) are one of the few reliable enough af systems for autofocus on fpv drone(even still not always utilized unless in specific case scenarios); even then the ibis can be troublesome so you either have to permanently lock the sensor or fly very conservatively and smoothly . If you fly fpv cinelifters with arri, red komodo, black magic or just about any other camera you are utilizing manual focus even if its dual op gimbaled fpv cinelifting w a focus puller.

[@Juventinos]

dji zenmuse x5 has a Micro 4/3 sensor and an interchangeable mount , i think x7 has an even bigger sensor, Super 35mm. I don't think this camera has any justifiable uses in 2023, especially for the price

[@kipling1957]

Exspecially?

[@StephanBuchin]

Get the much more versatile RX100. Basically the same video features + zoom lens and great AF. Both are far from perfect though.

[@Organalog]

I remember some of those line of cameras had a lot of overheating issues though? Thanks for your input, those cameras make some great images too.

[@Shuttterbugg]

It's barely a webcam...webcama at least dont overheat and the kiro ultra has the same sensor

[@Shuttterbugg]

It's not a cinema camera buddy period

[@isaacroberts9089]

i wouldn't call that good dynmaic range at all tbh--still a cool camera tho

[@Organalog]

It’s really good for what it is!

[@Shuttterbugg]

U csnt record 4k longer than 10 mins the battery sucks and literally it isn't a cinema camera period

[@janmaker227]

It's called an action cam and sony is not the only one making them. clickbait

[@Organalog]

If you watch the video, I give you my opinion why I feel it’s more of a mirrorless quality camera than action camera. I can see that it’s sold more as an action style camera for sure but I feel it’s pretty superior to most of the competitors.

[@BIMGeeks]

DJI OSMO Action 4 is a way better :)

[@Organalog]

Haven't shot on it, but thanks for your input!

[@DynamicPhil84]

A one inch sensor, micro-HDMI, miniscule screen, barely any ports, and micro SD card slot... a cinema camera this is not.

[@Organalog]

Certainly there is no global consensus on what's a cinema camera.

[@Juventinos]

with the DJI pocket 3 this camera is just not worth it

[@Organalog]

That DJI camera looks different than this Sony, more action camera like, although I've recently also seen some really nice footage from the Osmo 3 too! If you need a built in gimbal and other new camera features then the RX0 II is probably not worth it. It is nice the DJI has 10 Bit, I hope Sony updates this camera to have that.

[@ILYUHA16]

Funny that image quality of camera, that you are shooting yourself on, not even that good that image quality of that camera, what you are talking about.

[@Organalog]

There’s a film emulation on that footage I shot myself on.

It is definitely a cool camera, definitely not a cinema camera.

[@Organalog]

What’s your definition of a cinema camera?

[@davida5296]

cool camera but definitely NOT a cinema camera.

[@Organalog]

So what’s your definition of a cinema camera?

[@davida5296]

@@Organalog there are a ton of resources on line which will help in explaining the differences, but a few hallmarks are a lens mount (personally PL is probably best and most widely used professionally) which allows for changing lenses , a large sensor, wide DR, gen lock capabilities (although not a true requirement) and a lot of other features that pros use. Interestingly, I don't count resolution as a make or break factor. For years the Alexa had a relatively low resolution and was an absolutely amazing camera that shot network TV and features. If you Google "features found on cinema cameras" or something like that, I'm sure you'll see. Hope this helps!

[@bruintoo]

Focus auto lock. No thanks.

[@Organalog]

it's a compromise, to each their own.

[@gregv2821]

Repeatedly calling this a "cinematic" camera isn't going to make it any more cinematic than an action camera. Sony has abandoned it because most people realize that and aren't falling for the ruse. This camera has issues: crappy battery life, crappy audio, overheating, focus problems, 8=bit, no stabilization, limited frame rates, fixed lens, and a ridiculous price tag. No thanks.

[@Organalog]

Sorry you feel that way. I love this camera! Wish it was 10 bit but 8 bit but works if you don’t push too much. There have been cinematic movies shot at 8 bit. A cinema camera is not a universal definition.

[@sebw3964]

F4.0🚽That thing is over 5 years old.Why Somebody should talk about that

[@ColdenRaney]

Bad bad video. It’s a dam action camera.

[@Organalog]

no, that's just like your opinion man

[@BryanMiraflor]

Nobody uses this camera. Overpriced, old tech.

[@Raymond23rdOBC]

@caseyneistat