THE REAL REASON Ariel Helwani vs Chael Sonnen Went OFF THE RAILS & Got PERSONAL..

The Chael Sonnen & Ariel Helwani Interview Got more personal that I ever imagined it would, here's why both are wrong.. and right.
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[@samuelcroissant87712]

Ariel can never just be a cool dude, always takes the chance to be weirdly passive aggressive every chance he gets.

[@vangoghsseveredear]

Dude D rides certain people so hard, it's cringe af

[@ThomasBlaa]

Dude calls himself heelwani

[@Cultofpersonality09129]

@@ThomasBlaaya, he’s net a good heel.

[@RunForPeace-hk1cu]

@@vangoghsseveredearlike you to DW and the UFC? 😂😂😂😂😂

[@ericswag8465]

​@@RunForPeace-hk1cuthe fight sold 67,000 ppvs Now what?

[@ArkusVI]

Honestly, the way Ariel began the interview he was pretty much looking to spark an argument.

[@Tristenc]

That’s what Ariel does, throws subtle jabs to get something going

[@ArkusVI]

@Tristenc yeah, he legitimately is a weasel. Says some shit and then acts like the victim afterwards.

[@adequatequality]

He's an entertainer before being a journalist, and Chael was so pressed cuz he didn't get an outcome his way so he's taking his frustration out on Ariel

[@cuyxjrplays]

True but Cheal took offense to that and didn’t catch Ariel joke or sarcasm from the start imo.

[@onlyifyouknew4508]

@@adequatequalitythat’s the dumbest take on this argument I’ve ever heard, it’s pretty obvious that Ariel is a straight up weasel I mean he’s been known to do this kinda shit he’s a slimy journalist. You saying he’s a entertainer first then a journalist doesn’t apply because most entertainers don’t act like douchebags for clicks constantly.

[@teddyjackson1902]

Ariel has been known as a passive aggressive instigator since he showed up on the scene more than a decade ago. People keep acting surprised when he ends up in the middle of every beef in MMA. I wonder when people will realize he’s the common denominator.

[@RiceCooker-ge2te]

That’s literally Wade

[@REL-420]

​@RiceCooker-ge2te if that's how you feel, then why watch his video and support him??

[@boogiesarmiento7364]

@@RiceCooker-ge2tewhen has Wade ever been passive aggressive

[@TheSakufighter]

Ariel thinks tough guy rubs off on you and it doesn’t. Such a punk 🤡

[@MimiPipoo]

You can't deny he is one of the most entertaining of the MMA media. It was fun to watch and Ariel as always isn't completely wrong or right which makes it interesting.

[@albertoamoruso7711]

The worst part of the whole ordeal is that Chael and Ariel used to be both great friends, with Chael even being the only "insider" backing Ariel when the UFC was banning him from everywhere. And Ariel just sacrificed his friendship with him for a few views.

[@Hairynibba777]

He clearly wanted to argue to argue in the beginning Ariel is clowning himself rn.

[@AFjwdhfkusdhfkwudf]

They are grown men, and both said they are cool with each over

[@albertoamoruso7711]

@@AFjwdhfkusdhfkwudf I would describe Ariel many things but not a man.

[@edsherwook5196]

He’s a weasel through and through

[@Big_Stink]

Ariel's main character energy takes away from his journalistic integrity

[@MrSolcross]

But also, if chael is a student of the game, then so is Ariel. He's brash and cocky, just like the fighters he covers. Maybe he knows what he do.

[@Big_Stink]

@MrSolcross the problem with that is he makes himself on the level of his interview subject. He has to maintain the distinction that he is not a fighter, he is a journalist. He turns it on and off when it suits him

[@Marcnshae2011]

Both guys cared more about being right, as opposed to hearing each other's points of view.

[@myword787]

He has no journalistic integrity

[@RiceCooker-ge2te]

Yet y’all are defending Wade

[@zachmccabe7510]

Saying "my source is me" is something you never say in an argument

[@DCshandle]

Fr like when the fbi investigated itself and found no foul play

[@LegendaryBilly]

@@DCshandlethat happened, more than once

[@Ellefsen97]

When you’re a journalist, sure you can

[@DCshandle]

@mattm6200 he’s too embedded with what he reports. Real journalists report. Ariel tryna say “WE proved everyone wrong” bro didn’t do anything. Saying Francis making 10 mill is a W is true but chael saying the Saudi lost money is also true. Bruh Ariel is a literal rat

[@captain_malaria]

​@mattm6200 oh, is that what we were meant to think by hearing, "it's been reported"? Moron.

[@Senseijohn84]

I think Chael would've probably conceded he was wrong about Francis IF Ariel approached the interview like a friend with journalistic integrity. Instead, Ariel, like a weasle with a vendetta, premeditatively ambushed Chael and attempted to humilate and publicly shame him before having a conversation. Ariel basically started the conversation with 'nanny nanny boo boo'. You can't approach an alpha male like that. Chael's ego flared and he defended positions he most likely would have admitted to being wrong about. Both guys were wrong but Ariel is one manipulative, shady character. I don't blame any pro fighter not wanting to talk to him. Dude always has motives.

[@chrisbrovold5888]

I hold no reservations on how Ariel approached Chael for 2 reasons. 1. Ariel is just spoon feeding Chael his own medicine. You can’t dish it out and not expect someone to not feed it right back to you. Just because Chael would win in a physical fight against most people he holds a sense of entitlement with how he speaks and acts like he is invulnerable to any verbal attacks. But when he enters into debate that’s Ariel’s octagon. In fact it was cool to see Ariel not back down. Very David and Goliath. 2. I would rather have a friend who calls me out on my B.S. then a friend who just becomes a “yes man”. I want my friends to want me to improve and grow even if that means at times it warrant’s uncomfortable discussions.

[@coldtouch]

They supposed to be friends , every good friend grills his friend and sometimes fight. Ariael maybe took it top notch that's because probably he respects chaels opinion. and him being right so maybe that led him to this situation...

[@bappagone299]

​@@chrisbrovold5888yeah your comment is very Bs lmao😂 "call you out on your bs" or bring you onto a public platform, ambush you and try to force you to apoligize? When has cheal ever done that? You say he's getting his own medicine but chael has normal conversations with people and doesn't try to ambush his guests with out of context clips to try and spread a "I'm right so concede" narrative. 1This is not David and Goliath 😂😂😂 this is embarrassing.... Ariel didn't hold his ground, he tried to play mental loopholes to spread his narrative onto someone who's supposed to be his friend, don't believe me? It's clear the moment he said "The standard? Saudi is the new standard.", "IM RIGHT, IM RIGHT" -Like bro this is your friend and not a reporter.... What are you saying rn....😂 2 Also chael was never trying to force his opinion because he was alpha and could beat ariel in a fight😂 Ariel lies, FORCES HIS OPINION on chael and then starts being disrespectful to his freind after he defends himself, which just so happens to be someone he would never speak to like that in person, AND someone who worked in the industry for years AND works with the promoter of the event 😂 Cheal is the last person you should try that bs with, just because ariel had the saudi president on for 45 mins does not mean he is instantly right and gets to do whatever to prove that....damn. Have a conversation, don't pull your friend onto your show in front of thousands and try to get him to apoligize publicly for his opinion on what was going to happen. Just because ariel was right doesn't give him the right to be outright disrespectful to anyone who wasnt.

[@semyaza555]

@@chrisbrovold5888Total nonsense.

[@stoicsavage509]

This is anti semitic

[@PMraz]

Considering the fight did below 100k ppv sales, I have to give it to Chael. He was right all along.

[@liamanderson6191]

Surely that’s only in America, I know a lot of people watched it over here even in UK though originally we didn’t want to

[@gemknight2193]

To be fair, Ariel’s point was not whether the fight sold high numbers it was if Francis won by being paid big money.

[@aidanthomas2510]

It pains me that it did too because that is going to feed into the argument of the likes of Dana. Jones vs Francis would have done way more, let's state that off the bat. However, Francis to me still made the right move. Because even if that $8-10 mil figure for the Jones fight was right, that would likely have been the only time he made that. So should he keep boxing, which I have no reason to think he won't, he'll almost certainly make more than he ever would have made in the UFC. The other thing I have to admit I admire, is that he said on JRE that he negotiated a minimum amount that his opponents would make into his PFL contract. Plus, as doomed as his healthcare and sponsorships arguments probably were, again I have to admit I admire the fact that he's at least raising them because as much as I love the UFC, I have to say they've taken as much money from the fighters as they possibly can (the sponsorships was a great example and Francis wasn't the only one to say that), and the fact that they don't get healthcare given how dangerous what they do is, is criminal honestly. You might agree or you might not, but I love that Francis was willing to bet it all for this and I hope it inspires other fighters to do the same.

[@freendysinaga9762]

yeah barely.. he's just technically right. this sonnen guy's voice is so irritating and he doesn't look like the smartest guy. how is he so popular 😆?

[@PMraz]

@@aidanthomas2510 realistically speaking the only reason he made $10 million was because it was given to him from the Saudis. Going forward and promoters taking in account of the flop, I am not to sure if Francis makes that number again unless it's under another Saudi event. Time will tell if Francis actually made the correct move. But I wish nothing but the best for him, he deserves it!

[@alxhades6231]

Ariel's 10-20m didn't age well. Has the nerve to call himself the source in front of a guy that works for the distribution company, then as a "journalist" tries to intimidate Chael to give his source. lol.

[@will.42069]

Chael wanted to say the number so badly

[@johnjackson8740]

Not sure where your going with this completely, I mean he is a source regardless if he’s correct or not?

[@jacobmcdermott55]

@@johnjackson8740 Hahahaha that's not how that works. You can't cite yourself ESPECIALLY if you're not actually right, that's misinformation

[@johnjackson8740]

@@jacobmcdermott55”a place, person, or thing from which something comes or can be obtained.” Looks like ur wrong.

[@jacobmcdermott55]

@@johnjackson8740 This isn't about the literal definition of the word source. Like the source of a lake. This is within the context of journalism. Are you stupid John?

[@Gaboxxy96]

"Sometimes peace is preferable to being right". Ariel could definitely learn a thing or two from that quote.

[@nicholaschristodoulou3821]

Bru… If that was the case nobody would watch

[@wardogsmokes]

​@nicholaschristodoulou3821 wrong! You don't need to be a weasel to get views. There are plenty of sports commentators I can mention..

[@KenRFoxNashvilleSEO]

The giveaway here is the sheer glee and excited way he intentionally tried to set up a friend at the beginning to attempt to make himself look superior. That was Aerial's true self - manipulating, opportunistic and happy to embarrass someone coming on his show in a dishonest way but framed to intentionally highlight himself and make a friend look weak. Aerial is classless and dishonest while claiming to be authentic, brave and even the victim when it suits him. I remember when he turned on Gina Carano when it became the popular thing to do even though she had always been kind to him. The punk is snake.

[@vincentdigirolomo8056]

Chael said a million times “today needs to be about Francis being celebrated as a competitor” indicating to Ariel bragging talking about the business of the event being top level is dead wrong.

[@waynesparks9660]

Sad to see a genuine friendship seemingly fall apart live. Like both guys and both made good points but Ariel starting the interview the way he did was pretty selfish. Chael definitely tried to keep it respectful until he dropped the ESPN part 😂

[@wikkyyy6927]

Not even proper mates ya weasel

[@JosephTongret]

There is never a genuine friendship between Ariel Helwani and another human being. The type of person Ariel has proven himself to be does not have the ability to be a friend to anyone.

[@lukaslorenc]

I think there is mutual respect and maybe a growing friendly/work relationship between them... I think that this is just really heated debate, nothing what either of them had not experienced before. They will be fine.

[@williamboyle8918]

U guys believe this is a real beef ? Lmfao

[@PicaPauDiablo1]

​@@williamboyle8918thank you. They are closed and they both played the beef drama

[@Ignornaceisntbliss]

How Wade can say Ariel's genuine is beyond me. Ariel is as disingenuous as can be.

[@rais6036]

I like Wade but he does some dumb things man

[@KevinJames-p1j]

@@rais6036You gotta give Wade a little leeway. Him and Ariel are forming connections, it would be bad for Wade to possibly burn a bridge and go all out of Ariel, and possibly the same towards chael. i think there’s more that wade wanted to say, but he kept some of it to himself, which is the smart move

[@will.42069]

Ariel is somehow well respected so you have to lick his boots a little

[@Ignornaceisntbliss]

@@KevinJames-p1j He didn't have to diss Ariel, but calling him genuine is a bit too much.

[@bball5104]

I gotta give wade some record credit, he actually knows him - we’re just viewers

[@TheBeardedSage]

In hindsight, the numbers came out and the ppv literally did bomb... Genius Chael strikes again 😂

[@wedontagelikemilktho.7839]

But Francis still didn’t fumble the bag.😂

[@Era-lk1lo]

​@@wedontagelikemilktho.7839it's crazy 😂 no Saudi event has made profit but they are using the Saudi event not making profit to discredit Ngannou.

[@nounalmonds408]

Undisputed. Never lost a round

[@bulletproof1581]

It's not a Genius move lol, someone who doesn't watch boxing or MMA AT ALL could tell you the exact same thing. Francis isn't a professional boxer, and he's facing a top 3 boxer, so it was logical for people to think that his chances of winning were low, also Fury has been piss assing around and pissing fans off for years, so it would be stupid to think that the PPV numbers would be high lol

[@Mrwm117]

You totally missed the whole point of this argument if all you took away was that the PPV bombed dude

[@TobiBub]

Ariel and chael both made solid points but Ariel’s wormy and weasel ways Cost him so 10-9 chael

[@retrac3147]

Eh I don’t know, the first round the knock down made it a 10-8 ariel in my book. The following rounds I think chael changed up his game plan which helped him a lot. Close one to judge for sure.

[@HelloThisIsMyStory]

How did Ariel move like a weasel am I missing something here Kind off looked like Ariel started saying Chael got it wrong but Chael took it so personal ifk why

[@Lyxro]

Ariel would never talk like that to chael in person 😂

[@fightflow21]

Absolutely not 😂 he would be the bitch in the corner

[@LordColeslaw]

He would. And if confronted, he'll accuse him of being an anti semite

[@loutboyxoxo]

Someone commented about how "wade should use his platform to talk about Palestine" and got absolutely bodied and deleted his comment. This is a combat sports channel!!!

[@ThePassionateDisciple]

Exactly

[@codyjohnson6427]

Yea. It's not about the movement itself, it's just the context within this channel makes no sense. I wish people had some common sense

[@VolkovAlexandernovskiOfficial]

Yeah but Israel are doing their best to make Antisemitism a justified reaction to their behaviour. Israel is good but Russia Bad? Na tuc all of them especially you Yanks who justify the BS Maybe stop focusing on a fight between KZbinrs and fix your government funding these wars. You effing nothing khunt

[@FlareDope]

That was me. I didn’t get “bodied” you selfish and unsympathetic scumbag. I deleted my comment because there was people like you in the replies just spreading hate & negativity, so I thought it was pointless trying. Yet you still found a way to spread hate after I deleted the comment 😂 pathetic

[@FlareDope]

@@codyjohnson6427It does make sense. I said it wasn’t a religious, nor political matter. It’s just about being a human. Wade can speak up about it. But I deleted my comment because of people like you who just didn’t get my point.

[@FamousActor_AlPacenis]

The numbers of PPV buys were released also. Chael was 100% correct. If anyone but the Saudi’s put that event on they’d be filing for bankruptcy. So he’s doing a touchdown dance on an event that was massively in the red. It’ll never be repeated because of how badly it went.

[@Era-lk1lo]

Only thing Chael was right about, Ariel didn't disagree with him about it, Ariel never said the PPVs would do great or even good, he just said you don't have a source for it and your self reporting it just like me... Where as Chael made multiple videos saying Ngannou would fumble the bag and he already had by leaving UFC.

[@seanking6184]

@@Era-lk1loyes he did, Chael said it would do low numbers and Ariel was defensive like “how do you know?!” And then has the cheek to say Francis made between 10-20 million… $10,000,000 disparity for ppv is disingenuous

[@Era-lk1lo]

@@seanking6184 he factually did earn between 10-20mill, he worded it slimy but he wasn't straight up wrong like Chael was, and has been for months.

[@seanking6184]

@@Era-lk1lo factually I earn somewhere between £1 and 100 million a year… To even suggests that the ppv points essentially earned him another 10 million when in reality they probably earned him less than 500k is absolutely being disingenuous to the point of bias. And Chael wasn’t wrong either, because you can make the argument that 1) he would have earned more vs Jones and 2) he’s pigeonholed himself perhaps 1 more boxing match. Saudi’s gifting him money doesn’t change the fact that it wasn’t a smart decision for 99% of fighters… Ariel is operating purely on hindsight

[@Era-lk1lo]

@@seanking6184 I think let's keep it realistic here 10-20mill is 100% difference your difference is like 1000000% It's like if an entry job for an IT technician was 40k a year without bonuses and someone is just getting into it says "I should be making 40k-80k when I get this entry level IT technician job", he knows he could make 40k in bonuses but he knows it would basically be impossible at it's not going to happen, but it doesn't change the fact his theoretical possible earnings are a minimum of 40k and a max of 80k and on a job advertisement they would 100% say "earn 40k-80k as an entry level technician" they know nobodies warning 80k 😂 Did you forget about the PFL deal Francis signed? And Jon Jones has career earning of $14.3m and has contributed more than 7,000,000 PPVs are you serious??? How tf would Francis be getting 20m+ for the Jon Jones fight?

[@bradahsean]

Ariel telling Uncle Chael to grow a pair is pretty crazy lol. As much as I love Ariel, Chael would strangle you in a heartbeat lmao

[@choreomaniacle]

Areiel: Ima buy this lottery ticket Chael: all evidence points to that being a bad choice. Ariel: I won! See? I was right all along Chael: doesn’t mean my original assessment was incorrect

[@Rapido20]

Incredibly du mb statement the chance of Francis beating the guy was immensely bigger then the chance of winning the lottery

[@kevinbjorkman7225]

​@@Rapido20 Its not a dumb statement. The point, which you clearly miss, is that its a stupid move due to the fact that it is in a fact a gamble of which you did not have odds of winning. The odds that this would be a one off for Francis, he loosing and no more offers comming his way was a real and the most proable outcome. That would make this a "stupid" move. Now, that did not happen, but the move is still a loosing one. If I go all in during a poker game with a loosing hand and end up lucky, the move itself was still the "wrong" move cause the odds were higher that I would not benefit from it. Same as I can do the "right" move and still loose. But its about doing the highest likely move cause that move would benefit you more times than not. Doing boxing is more a gamble for his economy than what UFC would have been. As such, its the "dumber" move if you look at it like that.

[@wardogsmokes]

Well said

[@dianeaustin2414]

Exactly

[@gordonramsdale]

Completely irrelevant point, since one is a lottery based on probability and the other on skill. It wasn’t luck…

[@jaymallo7859]

Ariel has a huge grudge that he’s not “part of the team” and was pushed out by Dana and he uses Francois and anyone else he can to have so called victory laps.

[@akatzzki]

I watched the interview on Ariel’s channel but I can’t stop laughing at Chael man he’s hilarious

[@twiss9341]

😂😂😂 Uncle Chael makes it seem like it’s his own channel monologue even when in a two person convo

[@skiwlkr9928]

Makes me feel like I’m watching his own video

[@Pdog7293]

Never lost a round

[@DmDaPDm]

All I know is Francis didn’t fumble the bag 😂

[@patricknez7258]

Facts

[@wedontagelikemilktho.7839]

People are just coping cuz Francis silenced them.😂

[@04ngsnake]

Facts

[@haydenroyer]

Connor earned 4-6million in his last 5 fights or so. So what's to say Francis wasn't capable of earning more, and that number compounding each time? What if this is Francis one and only fight, then he fumbled bag Givin he could have made 20 million in paychecks, not considering all sponsorship and endorsement deals

[@YappyDK]

The ppv were extremely low, he did get the bag tho

[@suj1201]

They both made good points but at times were talking past each other. Even 30 minutes in, I was thinking that Chael was in on what Ariel was going to do - that this was all part of a work. But clearly, based on the last 5 minutes especially, there was nothing scripted about this one. Uncle Chael was ticked off.

[@daquandavis5498]

“Both made good points blah blah blah”… the fact that Helwani even did this shit in the first place shows his journalism is suspect n always will be. 🤣 “independent Helwani” is just a name for a guy that’s clearly terrible to work with😭

[@filthynumber1]

​@daquandavis5498 they did both make good points. They just weren't listening to eachother. Then it went past the point where any reasonable conversation was happening I dont blame chael for bailing. As entertaining as it was for us to watch, they weren't getting anywhere as far as resolving

[@KevinJames-p1j]

@@filthynumber1Overall, Chaels original statement that the business side of the fight bombed is true. the Fight did 67,000 ppv buys. that’s horrendous. if you wanna blame the time zone and location, you really can’t. a week or 2 earlier, islam makachev vs alexander volkanovski happened at the exact same time zone did way more. Ariel trying to use himself as a source is bullshit, and he was way fucking off. that’s terrible

[@suj1201]

@@KevinJames-p1j yes, Ariel exaggerated regarding the money & when he was challenged, cited himself which was a bit 🤨Francis likely got between $10-$10.5 mil. Still, that could be more than all his UFC fights combined. So, there’s no need to embellish. I honestly did not think this fight will do well in the PPVs, but I still had an expectation of 200K buys which this did not reach. there was not much promotion for it; and most didn’t think Francis would do well in his pro-boxing debut against arguably the best HW boxer of the past 20 years. If we’re talking about personal financial gain for the individual to determine if this was a successful decision, then it’s evidently clear: Yes. If we’re talking about immediate business success, then it’s evidently clear: No. But the key word there is “immediate.” that doesn’t mean the rematch will not do well. I think it can. What hurt the last fight was the idea that Francis didn’t stand a chance. But now that he has seized that opportunity & demonstrated it wasn’t just a lucky KO punch, but rather he can be competitive and go the distance w/ a highly skilled boxer, it has now sparked intrigue. This fight has garnered far more discussion in the week after than in the entire month before, ya know? I think the first fight just became the promo for the second. Or whatever fight Francis decides to do. He may not necessarily need to go to Saudi next. Perhaps he can fight in Vegas or Africa. It’ll be interesting to see.

[@semyaza555]

@@KevinJames-p1jThank you.

[@bluejay9235]

Ariel was right clear up until he played the antisemitism card, then he lost credibility.

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

Chael wasn't listening to what Ariel said he got so damn heated that he didn't listen to the questions properly

[@nick4942]

Was he right when he said “it’s reported Francis made between 10-20 million”, or was he right when Chael called him out on lying and then Ariel lies once again twisting his words saying “Francis made 10-20 million as reported by ME”, or was it when the ppv sales came out and they ONLY SOLD 67k . Ariel is so full of shit , he’ll form his opinion just in spite of Dana.

[@MrJojoringo]

Ariel is never right

[@len3169]

Ariel is a goof.

[@charlesgraham9954]

ofc the crybaby is going to play victim.

[@JMolina335]

Shoutout to Christian for editing the 2 hour live react😂

[@bearInMind.]

Stream was jokes

[@taylor_o]

I swear internet historians from the year 2150 are going to be researching public sentiment on this fight and come away thinking ngannou actually won... 😂

[@NirvanaNimbus]

"There is not a word, of what you just said, with the tone and narrative that you want it to be interpreted, that was correct." He probably could have turned the camera off at that point and called that a wrap. lol. No one will ever out talk Chael. 🤣😂

[@jordanmiller5946]

That ppv did 65k buys ☠️ holy fahk that’s a bomb

[@Coreyinthehouse]

I really like Wade, not just his videos and but as a guy. He’s honest and straightforward. I saw a comment based on Wade saying Ariel is genuine… it said “You gotta give Wade a little leeway. He’s forming connections, it would be bad for Wade burn bridges… I think there’s more that Wade wanted to say” I hope that’s not the case. I really hope Wade stays genuine and 100% honest with his takes & doesn’t filter himself just to appease assholes like Ariel.

[@nunchuksteev9811]

Chael works at ESPN, he knew that the PPV was a bust. Ariel literally made stuff up.

[@rigovalentine]

so chael sonnen is the guy to break the PPV buys, the guy who literally had nothing to do with the event, also his numbers were cap, there's already different numbers coming out, nothing official from the actually people managing the numbers from the event

[@ChrisBenhardt]

But to Ariels point, Francis still won. He got paid.

[@dallasalexander8112]

@@ChrisBenhardtbros defending a liar 😂

[@ChrisBenhardt]

​@dallasalexander8112 I don't think really anyone is lying. The PPV could be a bust, so Chael is right. Francis made more money in this fight than he would have in the UFC. And will made considerably more in his next boxing match. These two just argued completely different topics.

[@nunchuksteev9811]

@@ChrisBenhardt the numbers are out, it sold 67 k. Ariel said it's being reported Francis would get up to 10 mil in ppv buys, he just made it up.

[@antonybroster7032]

Why ariel acting like he was the one fighting

[@DMtheDM93]

Because Ariel is in a fight a long long fight. A fight against Dana a fight against the UFC. Here’s the thing Ariel does this all under a guise that he is doing it to better the fighters; but the reality is that when Ariel was Dana’s lap dog and he was getting scratched behind the ears he wasn’t speaking out against the UFC. Honestly Ariel was one of my favorite people in mma; but for about the last three years I can’t stand to watch him.

[@Romanus-]

Because he’s an absolute worm

[@rappodp]

67K PPV buys btw

[@P4RT4RI0]

i wish i could watch these breakdown videos but ariel is so annoying that i can't listen to this interview anymore

[@DonaldGreer84]

It sold 67k PPV. So it was in fact NOT 10-20 million. So Chael was right the whole time.

[@Massacre2k11]

In America! The fight was bigger outside the us

[@anujkalipdewsing4033]

10mil was regardless of the ppv

[@ericswag8465]

​@@Massacre2k11source? Or did you report it, just like ariel did?

[@Massacre2k11]

@@ericswag8465 cause espn is only in the us idiot. Common sense it’s only the espn ppv

[@mr-anfosh827]

bro its 55k us and 11k espn so no its worldwide@@Massacre2k11

[@erickhernandez4511]

They were both making points for 2 different arguments, the whole point from Ariel was that Francis came out with a win when everyone was saying that he wouldn’t and doubted him while Chael is arguing the whole business side of the event

[@zOmEn616]

In my opinion i think is vice versa, ariel’s arguments was about the buisiness side, and lets be honest, anti ufc more importantly anti dana white, and chael even said that the event was gonna fumbled and it was a one sided fight but he got proven wrong by francis and he chael does believe francis won the fight, BUT he was right that the event fumbled in ppv buys.

[@Inyourbox-kr5uf]

@@zOmEn616but Francis still got paid 10mil. So he didn’t fumble the bag

[@erickhernandez4511]

@@Inyourbox-kr5uf exactly, Ariel is and had always been backing Francis, that’s his whole point,

[@curtharakaly4620]

He wasn't backing Francis...he was mocking the UFC. Huge difference.@@erickhernandez4511

[@curtharakaly4620]

He would have made double that fight Jones...@@Inyourbox-kr5uf

[@ManBat420]

I'm pretty sure Ariel just always starts feuds with someone new any time his viewership starts to dwindle. He's a black belt in starting problems then playing then victim.

[@mewgiah8057]

Helwani was in the wrong this time because he set Chael up with the interview by ambushing him. Him saying Chael was the only one who believed in the fight and then playiny a clip of Chael saying the opposite was a bitch move in journalism. If Helwani had just been up front and asked him why he didnt believe in Francis and whether he regrets not supporting it - then ok. But instead he went about it in a deceptive way. So Chael had every right to call Helwani a weasel and a rat. Because it was a weasel move. Now Helwani is trying to claim Chael is antisemitic because he said weasel. Ambushimg someone in an interview is bad practice. Literally everyone knows to not do that because they wouldn't want it done to them. Again Ariel showing the clip wasn't the problem. It was him lying about it to embarrass Chael. Despite all the hate Helwani gets ive always stood by him because I do think he is the best MMA journalist and has been treated unfairly for doing his job. But he absolutely did not do himself any favors with this interview. He just proved all his detractors right by acting like a weasel.

[@wardogsmokes]

No way he called him antisemitic for calling him a weasel 💀

[@benschmelzer7748]

Seems like a mountain out of a molehill…

[@Jofan03]

Chael knew he was right about the PPV underperforming. Look at his “I know something you dont” smile as Ariel talks nonsense about knowing differently.

[@jaydenwatrin3294]

I’m so glad you brought back the og background music! Missed it.

[@youngeeneden1594]

Not gonna lie Ariel knowing chael has had a bad encounter with Francis and throwing it in his face and asking him to apologize to clown him to his audience is pretty messed up when you think about it. Ariel was right about Francis but he clearly isn’t arguing like this because Francis deserves more credit…. Everything he did was snaky, ofc he was right he set the interview up for him to be right and for chael to be wrong, from the very beginning.

[@GrisGrisPhill]

I find it funny how Ariel has a hate boner for the ufc and Dana when in fact he got to where he is at from interviewing popular ufc fighters

[@jasoncoomer1226]

When you pull the race card, antisemitic card or the gender card when is clearly not warranted in the least.... *You lose by default and are never taken seriously again* Chael left the argument somewhat wrong.Its ok to be wrong. *Ariel left the argument looking like a complete POS that tried to have someone he calls a friend cancelled*

[@comixof2morrow]

Ariel was wrong about ppv buys but was right about Francis...But Francis only made 1 to 2 million dollars more than he would have had he fought Jones. He'll make more going forward and he exposed boxing...But the ppv buys were less than 70k...not good.

[@rustyray420]

But with his performance, you can expect much higher ppv going forward if he gets a rematch or another match up with a pro boxer

[@wedontagelikemilktho.7839]

@@rustyray420Yeah this is just the start, ppl ain’t overlooking him anymore.

[@comixof2morrow]

@@rustyray420 ,Yes.. That's why I stated he will make more going forward. Francis made the smart decision for himself. It could have been disastrous but it wasn't for Francis. Good on him. I was rooting for him anyways but Sonnen is absolutely right about the ppv buys and that's what he was arguing. In reality, Francis didn't make as much as he could have made had there been more people buying the ppv's. People will want to tune in next time and the promotion will give him a bump up in pay. If Ngannou starches the next opponent then WOW...he will be huge in boxing. We are talking $50 to $100 million a fight.

[@abs2fast2furios]

Keep in mind, no taxes in Saudi

[@ericswag8465]

​@@wedontagelikemilktho.7839did you buy the PPV? Please be honest

[@emmanuelmakoba6085]

You're the best reactor to this interview I've seen so far. You got the intricacies of both arguments - most people miss some of Chael's points.

[@360blur9]

The reason Francis didn’t have to sign a multi fight deal is because they were sure he’d lose. Now nobody will sign a fight with a guy from another sport for a single fight without a signed rematch incase it doesn’t go their way. They can’t even do that with other fellow boxers, so there is almost no way they will take that risk with someone who might just go back to mma after killing a cash cow

[@FlawlessFairways]

No body brings the breakdowns like my main man wade!

[@PeepersonCreedo]

ariel was never in the right here 😆- there should be a level of respect and professionalism when you’re having someone on a podcast (who is also your friend) rather than trying to get a hit piece on them… Ariel comes off super childish with his “look at this clip where you’re wrong and I’m right! Apologize and admit you’re wrong!!!” 🤓🤓🤓 what a goofball

[@ryanfruge8819]

And then he never admits when he is wrong. 🤣

[@PeepersonCreedo]

@@ryanfruge8819 exactly dude like cmon 😆 80% of people said the same thing as Chael but ariel wants to call out all his friends like a cornball 😆

[@SamLikesE30]

I don't really care abt who was right. But Ariel talking crazy instantly made me wanna side with chael. Like chael was also talking crazy but at the very least we know he can back that up. Ariel just can't💀

[@luiscypher9657]

Ariel set the tone for the interview from the off and the rest was basically a draw cause Nganou never made 10 to 20 million but at 76 thousand ppvs which chael knew as he works for espn which sold 50/60.000 its not hard to deduct it would bomb Which is why dana wasnt offering him 10 mil a fight and no other promoter was quick to sign him leaving the ufc , not onefc pfl who signed him eddie hearn and rest Watch the rematch and his future boxing fights disappear after the recent ppvs numbers of 76 thousand , nevermind promoters losing hundreds of millions. What opponent is going to fight him aswell if there not getting paid its a lose lose. Amanda nunes vs Aldana did more ppvs than Nganou and Fury and thats using Fury's fanbase in boxing n Nganou's in mma so it not just bombed it really bombed I loved when youtube guys try to take stuff as there own knowing there getting all the information thats already out there , yet say nothing but try and pass it of as there own 😅

[@mattb5846]

I think a rematch would actually do much better. The reason the ppv bombed was the time it came on, but also the fact that nobody thought Ngannou was going to make it competitive. Everyone doubted him, and such, no one wanted to pay 80 bucks (in the US) to watch a boxing event at 2pm which had like 3 okay fights and the main event, with a weird musical performance before I might add, that everyone expected to either go to a boring Fury decision or for Fury to KO him early. Everyone was just waiting for the social media announcements of “Tyson fury by decision” before Ngannou started giving Tyson a run for his money. In light of all this, now that we know that the matchup is competitive, and that Ngannou can hang with top boxers, I believe people will be a lot more interested a second time around. Of course, I don’t think this will happen anytime soon, maybe not at all for that matter.

[@johnbutler2780]

Saudi want him to fight in December lol.

[@kennyfnpowers707]

There was no real promotion for this. All I heard about was the Paul v Danis and the funny thing is that KSI v Fury was supposed to be the draw.

[@gordonramsdale]

Your point is null because it’s based on the low ppv numbers, but although they WERE low, they sure as shit won’t be low now!

[@benschmelzer7748]

That was the ESPN+ buy rate, traditional PPV outlets in the US put it above 200,000, much higher internationally. PPV cut puts Ngannou’s pay somewhat above ten million most likely, we’ll know soon…

[@Ignas3runner]

Inviting a friend to publicly shame him is such a snake move. Does not matter who is right, is it worth it?

[@antoniopozo9311]

Sonnen was right and he did not get the info from hidden sources. It is all over the internet. The PPV numbers were really disappointing. And Sonnen was right again. The time of the event had to do with poor PPV numbers. I am myself a hard core MNA fan and have missed a couple of PPV because of the time difference. I just forget. Sonnen was right all along.

[@JosephTongret]

I understand the criticism many people have had about Chael's behavior and I'm sure in hindsight Chael himself wasn't crazy about it being on camera. But c'mon man, Ariel brings this out of people! He absolutely used a video chat as a safe distance to behave in a way he wouldn't in a face to face interview. Not to mention his perpetual victim persona.

[@akatzzki]

Chael was in the wrong with the whole Francis being successful deal, but Ariels antics and arguments at certain points were kinda shotty. Love them both tho definitely a top tier segment

[@zach5751]

I really haven’t laughed this hard in a long time and really needed that. I’ve seen this a few times now and keep laughing harder and harder every time I listen to these 2 knuckle heads lol uncle Chael is HEATED and I’m here for it lmao

[@rogelioherrera3325]

This was beyond the Francis fight..this was personal for Ariel. Chael's body language made him seem like he knew at that point Ariel knows hes been talking shit about him behind his back. He even nearly chose flight over fight when he tried to leave the interview. He tried to stay composed because he remembered he has a KZbin channel where he'll have to face his fans

[@ericswag8465]

Its always personal for ariel. Thats why he lied about the PPV numbers, and cried antisemitism when he was called a weasel for being a shameless liar. The dude just hates dana white.

[@yeahkevinn]

Ariel the instigator. Acting like it was all unprovoked. Walking away doesn't always mean you're afraid. He just gave up on Ariel.

[@derrickmonster95]

What’s the point for Chanel to staying sitting in voice chat with someone who is just trying to argue do has better things to do

[@Era-lk1lo]

​@@yeahkevinnWhat was Ariel even wrong about? People keep calling him names but nobody can tell me why Ariel is wrong... You could say "the PPV flopped" but Ariel never said it would do good, he never said it will sell 800k+ PPV buys, Chael is arguing against a strawman the whole argument.

[@dannyboyyy5402]

@@Era-lk1loAriel was wrong the minute he opened the interview how he did. You can be right all you want but it’s not an excuse to be a slimy little dickhead about it. It’s called social awareness and goofs like you clearly aren’t outside enough to know how to properly talk to people.

[@user-dh1rk4xp4v]

Ariel started with a fckn low blow ….what a weasel move on someone that he’s called a friend n standing up for him in the past

[@5mcory976]

Since this argument took place 2 things have happened. The PPV numbers came out and Chael was right. AJ said hes no longer interested in fighting Francis so one of his matchups is off the table.

[@Sebshuffle]

I hate when people say nobody thought Francis was gonna win or had a chance whatever. I can’t have been the only that truly believed he would make the fight a hell for Fury. I thought Francis was gonna KO Fury.

[@scottjohnstone5551]

Bullshit

[@Trevis2005]

Ariel would not talk like this if Sonnen was their ‼️

[@jpenagal]

9-9, no one won, hating on ariel doesn’t mean chael won

[@InterYamah]

They both had points they were right and wrong with, i honestly dont understand why everyones talking about this so much tbh

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

Its a tie both guys are fighting over sources

[@Era-lk1lo]

​@@InterYamahOnly thing Chael was right about, Ariel didn't disagree with him about it, Ariel never said the PPVs would do great or even good, he just said you don't have a source for it and your self reporting it just like me... Where as Chael made multiple videos saying Ngannou would fumble the bag and he already had by leaving UFC.

[@InterYamah]

@@Era-lk1lo ariel literally said ngannou would make 10mil from ppv buys alone, chael was also right about ariel lying about having ngannous best interests at heart when encouraging him nd it was obviously just about getting back at the ufc for him

[@Era-lk1lo]

@@InterYamah That's a complete lie he never said that, I guarantee you cannot find me a quote of Ariel saying "he would make 10m from PPV buys alone

[@TheIvanMilky]

Ariel just blatantly lied in this, if you still can't see through Ariel you are the definition of naïve at this point

[@gordonramsdale]

He said 10-20 million, when 10 mil is guaranteed from Saudi, so idk if it’s a lie because that’s true

[@theb.o.a.t.8225]

Here’s the truth…Chael is not wrong. Francis was given that money and not earned. But! He did not “fumble” the bag, he made more guaranteed dollars than he MIGHT have with the UFC.

[@curtharakaly4620]

No, he actually didn't. $10m from boxing isn't more than $8m plus PPV shares of over 1m buys as well as backdoor money that isn't disclosed. Francis would have easily made at least $15m fighting Jones just from the fight alone, never mind the increase in everything else afterwards if he had beaten Jones like he thought he would have.

[@theb.o.a.t.8225]

@@curtharakaly4620 if that fight happens, I agree. But to hang the balance of your financial livelihood in the hands of someone you don’t trust is tough. He made the right choice. He’s in control of his career and has earned life changing money.

[@craigronald]

Ariel told him to grow a pair of balls and called him a coward, that’s fighting talk. Then tries to paint Chael as an anti-semite, something which could have drastic implications on Chael’s career and livelihood. Ariel took a massive L here

[@pandacat6276]

Lol thank you. It was so weird to see after.

[@aidanthomas2510]

We've just witnessed the last time Ariel interviews Chael... Wade was right, this was not a work.

[@theKashConnoisseur]

The moment you declare yourself the winner, you've lost.

[@jstChase]

10-8 Chael. What you think of the Buakaw vs Saenchai BKFC bout coming up?

[@matthunter5710]

No way that's a real fight coming up .... is it??

[@jstChase]

@@matthunter5710 it happened earlier today. Well yesterday now

[@MacBobby1408]

Ariel started the interview off like “here’s some crow, apologize.” Essentially he’s using his “friend” as a vehicle to stick it to Dana White. That’s literally what Ariel just did. Regardless of how right or wrong he was in many points, that is dirty, and that’s not what you should do to your friend.

[@Onlybadtakes2589]

Ariel starting off the interview poorly and kept pressing the issue whenever Chael tried to change the discussion. Made sense why it escalated, but both are in the wrong for not backing down. Also, Chael used the nuke on Ariel and called him a weasel. Dana White used to insult Ariel with that term, so it struck a nerve with him. Even after interview Ariel kept taking jabs at Chael throughout the show. Dude was deeply bothered by it all

[@wardogsmokes]

Thanks for sensitive word insight👍

[@kylecashen4132]

I used to be such an Ariel fan, but he has shown over and over in the last years that he would rather BE the news rather than REPORT the news. Also, the perfect way to explain what Chael is saying is the difference between a successful small business that is built the normal way vs. a successful small business that is seeded by " daddy's money".

[@antwandixi]

I cannot stand Ariel

[@paramrm]

Best way to start my day w wade's video

[@crispyrock6754]

ariel is such a little girl dude wants to argue against these fighters then cries when they say something back

[@Of_theleaf]

Chael coming with the motions tho 😂😂😂… also that slight smirk he gave knowing this PPV royally bombed

[@rhysjeffery1630]

Mathematically speaking, which is the point Ariel is trying to make - he is completely wrong. You don't invest 100k into a 1% probability outcome for the exact same payoff that you could have got for a 50+% probability outcome I.e. 2 - 3 more fights in the UFC

[@sirtoby4939]

The 2-3 fights is complete fiction. Nobody has 2-3 title fights in 18 months, while having knee surgeries. Show me where and when that's ever happened. Go on. I'll wait.

[@resimatemaluleke9096]

@@sirtoby4939as if Dana was ever going to give Francis 10 million over 3 fights , while his last fight as CHAMPION he got 600k like be realistic over here

[@rhysjeffery1630]

@@sirtoby4939 thankyou for waiting. Connor McGregor fought 4 times in 18 months post knee surgery.

[@darkhorse1086]

You didn't play the bet on the lottery part. That was a good point

[@michail44]

ok real opinion Chael is right what he saying broadly is that this could and would be highly volatile for the common pro boxer. Ariel is super annoying and just trying to beat his own drum with no logic.

[@godusopp2752]

I kinda got the vibes the event wasn't doing well, no one talked about it till the day of, but it doesn't even matter because francis got paid big and his next fight he will get even more money

[@loudenlaffnite246]

Just saw (over on the MMA Guru) the new clip of Ariel accusing Chael of being anti-semitic for using the word "weasel." I agreed with most of Ariel's points during the argument, but this accusation of anti-semitism is just fucking disgusting. Exploiting the current war -- and frankly the holocaust -- to win an MMA argument?

[@seanking6184]

Weasel has no bearing to Jews, Ariel is a fucking slime ball at the best of times.

[@MrBrknsyt]

Francis did get his bag. Though Chael was ultimately right. Less than 70k PPV buys? Plus Ariel did instigate the childish banter. Chael made Ariel look stupid when he hanged up on him. So 10-0. For Chael. Because Uncle Chael never lost a round. Never even lost his sock on the dryer. Still undefeated.

[@DylanA-2221]

I’m so glad we got this video. I couldn’t believe watching this the live.

[@budbundy1552]

Chael was a composer in his past life 🎶

[@TheHardcoreCasualist]

Cheal "do you wanna talk about things that we haven't said today to find out who the badass and the who the weasel is Ariel "I haven't said anything you haven't said in public" WHICH MEANS don't expose me and embarrass me please funny how wade glossed over that little interaction

[@bearInMind.]

This stream was hilarious

[@DatBoiGloomy]

Ariel was on smoke instantly, getting up and putting shit up to chaels mouth is wild, chael didn’t deserve any of it, but im glad he so good with words.

[@Kedvin7]

What a 10-7 from Chael, absolutely killed Ariel. Exposed Ariel's clear intentions. Ariel's first reaction after the fight was how much he hates Dana for his past comments since the fight was a great outcome.

[@ArganawkTLOD]

🤓 "past"

[@Kedvin7]

@@ArganawkTLOD thanks, my brain had enough at 3am lmao

[@slavche]

Ariel being wrong, knowing 50% + of his audience DOOO think now he just brought up this Francis thing, and Chael on to try to STAB at his ex- (employers) ufc is not the worst thing, the worst thing, is him at the end acting with the hands to mock a guest when losing... weird. I'm not always a Chael guy either, but props. Not too much dis-respect shown

[@jordanrussell5797]

Where the hell are Ariel and Wade getting this 10-20M range payout for B-Side. The PPV sold ~70k and at 79.99 a buy that’s less than 6million $ lmfao

[@timlett99]

I love Ariel man he's one of the few people in the sports scene let alone the fighting scene who is just undoubtedly himself. He's not afraid to poke any bears, he's not afraid to stand on business and he for damn sure doesn't let anyone intimidate him like you'd think from a non fighter. I know its not cool to like him right now for whatever reason but his ability to get under idiots skins like this is why I love him, no one can push these guys buttons like he does and its some of the best entertainment out there

[@shable1436]

You said if they did it once then it could be done again. I offer you this😂 what if it didn't sell ppvs, then it would be not beneficial for investors to pay that much again. According to MMA guru vid, he quoted a guy who knows the ppvs were 64.5k and that's considered a flop. Although it could be because no belts were on the line, it was an exhibition bout, and plus Francis wasn't supposed to be competitive so not many fans were interested in purchasing it, and now he showed he has boxing skills so the next match will go nuts in buys, but that's speculation until they figure out the next, and right opposition that can stir up interest enough to engage fans to drop a hundo

[@mcormickdevinmysteriiijr2084]

Ariel is 100% right.. his whole point is Francis won and made THE right choice. And yes the right business choice.. PPV has nothing to with it, the Saudis are willing to pay and the business was between Francis and them. Not only this but what Francis did in the ring is historical, and will set him up for huge paydays. I don’t care what Chael says about 3 fight deals or whatever. Eyes are on Francis and he could put up numbers on a real PPV event. Chael refuses to talk about this situation and instead talks about industry standards.. things change.

[@jamesmon-wi5hj]

Exactly.. Chael is talking mostly nonsense. Comment section is delusional. There is no way you can spin this as a bad choice for francis

[@Pdog7293]

Its a bad deal because he would’ve made more in 4 more fights in the ufc , yeah he got a bag , but the ppv bombed, Saudis have a lot of money but how much are the willing to lose

[@Pdog7293]

He didn’t make ten million he was given ten million he would’ve gotten at least ten either way

[@mcormickdevinmysteriiijr2084]

@@Pdog7293 you make no sense.. he would have maybe made that in the 3 fights he could do.. but again that’s 3 fights! This is one! Three fights is 3x the work! He is going to get more boxing fights with good paydays as well. What do you mean how much are they willing to lose? They do this shit for their entertainment, they have seemingly endless money. If a boxing promotion wanted to put on a real ppv event in the US it would sell fine. You can’t judge this event on ppvs because it wasn’t made to sell ppvs

[@mcormickdevinmysteriiijr2084]

@@Pdog7293 no he made 10million because he got paid to fight for 10 million. If you do a job for 10 million you made 10 million

[@nottoday4265]

Ariel trying to be a tough guy and telling Chael to tell him to his face is pure comedy. A 12-year-old could beat the crap out of Ariel - Chael would murder him.

[@ibomb6232]

Respect for both Ariel and chael for giving us this entertainment 😂 it was a banger 😂

[@Joe-j1f]

Monday morning cop?😂 I think you mean Monday morning quarterback.😂😂😂 my man’s got a Monday morning cop, going to work with a lunchbox

[@yaduboakye3093]

Chael just say my bad, you seem like you’re focusing on the 20% you got right and not the 80% off rubbish you have said prior to the fight

[@Nixha98]

To me Ariel very much is on an “I was right and you were all wrong” victory lap he’s not speaking on behalf of Francis

[@adequatequality]

I genuinely think Chael had intended to approach this interview in a civil manner by giving props to Francis but also re-iterating that this fight, although Francis got paid, was NOT a commercial success in the way Ariel had propped it up to be. That's all. But noooo, Ariel had to try and play the "gotcha" game and press Chael to admit he was wrong...which he wasn't because the whole argument was that the PPV would bomb.

[@Letscrye]

Wade jus helped me understand both of these niggas