The REAL Reason Lebron Will NEVER Surpass Jordan

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[@niallheaton2724]

Somehow James harden got fouled in this video

[@onenaghi]

4 point play

[@westbrookokc7075]

LMAO

[@hakeems_goat7753]

For real though

[@equalspro]

Lebron James Harden 🤔

[@DruMUSIC06]

LMAO!!! Bruh!

[@AcesHunteRRR]

You forgot to mention he left to play baseball and returned to win 3 more rings lmao.

[@mattlombo4900]

Suspensed for gambling but called it a break for the PR, Stern had his back

[@uchihamadara2329]

With a great bulls team yes.

[@itsdavidfr2594]

Uchiha Madara they were not great, they were just good

[@Louis.DeGuzman]

@@itsdavidfr2594 Jordanites would make all sort of alibis so as not to make their god look bad 😂 keep tryin'

[@cr_rg1525]

Matt Lombo HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THATS FUNNY

[@r1ckastleyhehe651]

Kobe is the only one that can surpass my work ethic and mentality -MJ

[@duncan1887]

Kobe is the 2nd GOAT. Change my mind (MJ is the GOAT).

[@AndresGomez-rm8nf]

My top 3 1. MJ 2. Kobe 3.Lebron

[@leikeize4781]

1:MJ 2:Between Magic and Kobe 3:LeBron or Kareem

[@Sg6CrossOver]

MJ never said that.

[@zorianjay3094]

1mj 2 LeBron 3 Kobe

[@RNSerindipity]

"You don't get to call yourself a GOAT. You let your peers call you that." - Scottie Pippen And Jordan never called himself that because he respect those players who played before him. And James does flops. MJ never did that. That's another reason why MJ is THE GOAT. NBA before is so physical compared to today's NBA. When you get fouled before it is because it's real. Now? Some players including James, pretends getting hurt even if its very obvious that they were not even hit

[@S1raajthabest]

thats not lebrons fault that the rules have changed plus lebron has already surpassed mike and it doesnt matter has many rings MJ has he brought the cleveland cavaliers to a championship which is a way worse team than the bulls that mike lead

[@ashmat2259]

thunderflash O7 MJ >

[@Lord_Cynrik]

I don’t even agree that lebron is better than Jordan, but you wrong my dude, Jordan had said he thinks he’s the greatest player ever

[@tharealest8190]

Ironically pippen himself later said bron has surpassed Jordan

[@sakuragiibanez4579]

@@S1raajthabest find someone who will believe to your foolishness

[@chelsea9877]

If your reading this i hope you have a successful life

[@capo6777]

Thanks bro

[@Wasel-bk1ub]

Lit

[@jahimcgregor4916]

Thank you, because of this comment it is now 100% guaranteed

[@chelsea9877]

I didn’t do this for the likes i just wanna inspire people

[@seangabrielperalta1001]

Best comment I've ever seen. Simple yet powerful. ty and you too Chelsea have a successful life

[@Jrl831]

You forgot that MJ makes free throws with his eyes closed. Lebron Barely Makes them with both eyes open.

[@bastardjustice]

MJ closed his eyes just to troll Mutombo, cause MJ knows he can shoot freethrows in his sleep while Bron probably needs to pray in every clutch free throws.

[@joebanks3463]

IKR😂😂😂

[@Jrl831]

John Mcgee and MJ IS 6-6 in finals. Never lost, never saw a game 7.

[@Jrl831]

John Mcgee never choke

[@Jrl831]

John Mcgee and tell me what playoff season did jordan shot 77%?

[@antinoob3501]

Can he stop Jason Terry?

[@socorroestrada1236]

😆

[@yessirkilo7017]

He dunked on Jason terry

[@antinoob3501]

@@yessirkilo7017 at least terry didn't "CHOKE". 🤭🤭🤭

[@jakedooley5300]

@@yessirkilo7017 no he didn't dunk on Jason Terry you bronsexual, that was a 3 vs 1 fast break where Terry had to guard leflop and 3 of his teammates, not impressive at all, leflop couldn't even guard Jason Terry as Terry drove by lebron scoring lay up after lay up as leflop stood there embarrassed and defenseless, leflop only averaged 17 points per game to Terry's 18 and Terry averaged 11 less minutes of playing time than leflop, enough said

[@Jbf-76]

I can say as a Celtics fan since 1981. I have seen them all. I watched Jordan's entire career. I've seen LeBron his entire career. Guys, just stop. Trust me. I am no Bulls fan. If you actually watched both players during their careers this isn't a debate. Jordan was superior by more than you think. Honestly, LeBron is great. Fantastic. All time great. He's not Jordan. Never was. Never will be. Don't listen to Shannon Sharpe, or Nick Wright.. they have zero credibility.

[@Chevy-hw6lw]

lil nug wilt was better than lebron. But you’re right about mj, there will never be another mj.

[@Evan-sm7qs]

WhatIfFloyd WasWhite Kobe?

[@Evan-sm7qs]

lil nug Kobe is literally Mj

[@wavy__productions]

I never got to watch him but my dad did and he said Jordan is better

[@wavy__productions]

Evan Walker Jordan has more MVPs and championships and better stats

[@rocket208]

People never mention the defense as much as they should, defense is half of the whole game. Imagine being absolutely feared on both ends of the court for almost a whole career. MJ would lock up whoever he was defending and easily put up 30 points. Even if his efficiency was lower than Lebron's, his defense would make up for it by creating turnovers for the opponents and more points for his team. The Bulls in the MJ era were known for being an unreal defense and that's how they got a lot of points, but also imagine MJ averaging 35+ ppg while also wreaking havoc on the defensive side as well.

[@gilbertalvarez5917]

His field goal percentage was less than a percent below Lebron. For a guy scoring 30 a game, that is negligible

[@Chevy-hw6lw]

Agreed, led the league in steals 3 times. 9 time all defensive team , ... that’s nuts on defense man.

[@rayrza2]

There's a big difference between Greatest of this Era and Greatest of all Time.

[@xdgaming70]

rayrza2 delete this before bronsexuals see this

[@ronaldsanjose9037]

He's (LEBROOM) not even the greatest in this era!

[@TheKingcardo]

N21 dont waiste your time arguing with idiotic ignorance, if they can’t see that Lebron is the greatest of this era they just simply don’t watch basketball

[@phaminator2031]

RcDw Yeah Lebron is the greatest of this era but definitely not the greatest of all time

[@TheKingcardo]

Phaminator there is no greatest of all time too many eras different rules different playstyle. Centers weren’t shooting 3s like that in the 80s and 90s now almost every center can shoot 3s.

[@SonnyK248]

Jordan only played 13 full seasons for The Bulls. He missed almost all of his second season through injury and still got ten scoring titles. That's basically ten out of twelve where he was top scorer and nine out of twelve where he was all defensive first team. and 2 threepeates with 6 finals MVP's. How can this guys goat status be doubted?

[@BallerBrain]

His only competition for the GOAT is Bill Russell and Lebron

[@easymoneysniper6ix920]

After 2011 nba finals lebron would never be the goat

[@tylerweems5665]

Thinojan Sriranjan well I’m not a LeBron fan and Jordan had to overcome the Pistons before he could win. He could have made up for it and he has but not up to the degree to be in contention with Jordan.

[@lucasmilligan5615]

Tyler Weems Jordan wasn’t outscored by a roleplayer like Lebron was

[@Phoenix-pm2qr]

You know KOBE was SWEPT by this same Mavs team, right? They also beat OKC with KD, Harden, and Westbrook. Don't sleep on the Mavs.

[@easymoneysniper6ix920]

@@Phoenix-pm2qr dude that heat team was heavily favored to win that series

[@manuelgutierrez3747]

So what about 2016 and being down 3-1

[@Zamppa86]

LeBron lost his chance to become the GOAT when he lost to the Mavs back in 2011 and became outscored by Jason Terry.

[@adamzahran7987]

Ok boomer

[@aziz7461]

OuTsCoReD By JaSoN TeRrY. You all blame LeBron James for choking in the 2011 Finals. What about the “clutches player of all time”, Michael Jordan? this list might explain why Michael Jordan wasn’t so significantly clutch. 1986 R1 G3 19 points 40% 1987 R1 G3 8/30 shooting 1989 ECF series tied 2-2 away game Jordan takes 8 shots the whole game going 4/8 1989 R2 G2 6/19 1990 R1 G4 6/20 1990 ECF G2 5/19 1990 ECF G7 11/28 1991 Finals G3 10/27 1992 R2 G6 9/25 1992 ECF G2 6/22 1992 ECF G6 10/27 1992 Finals G4 11/26 1993ECFG1 10/27 2reb 4ast 1993 ECF G2 12/32 1993 ECF G3 3/18 1993 ECF G6 8/24 1993 Finals G3 57min 44 points on 43 shots👌 1995 R1 G4 8/24 1995 R2 G1 8/25 1995 R2 G4 9/24 1996 R2 G1 14/35 1996 R2 G2 7/23 1996 R2 G3 15/35 1996 ECF G3 5/14 6reb 2ast 1996 Finals G2 9/23 1996 Finals G4 6/19 1996 Finals G6 5/19 1997 R2 G3 7/20 1997 R2 G5 8/23 1997 ECF G2 4/15 6reb 3ast 1997 Finals G3 9/22 1997 Finals G4 10/27 1998 R1 G1 11/27 1998 ECF G1 11/28 1998 ECF G3 9/22 1998 ECF G7 9/25! 1998 Finals G2 14/33 1998 Final G3 7/14 3reb 2ast 1998 Finals G5 9/26 1998 Finals G6 15/35

[@Zamppa86]

Jordan faced a tougher defense in every game you listed than LeBron and his superteam Heat faced against the old Mavs.

[@aziz7461]

Zamppa86 hahaha 😂 zone defense didn’t even existed back than, and all of the nineties defenders are suck so no one could guard mj... mj wouldn’t survive the skill era of the ‘00-‘20

[@Zamppa86]

Claiming "MJ would not survive the 00-20 era" just proved you know nothing about basketball or simply are way too young to know and understand. The era when MJ played, 80s and 90s, was dominated by big men, centers ruled the league. There was physicality and real defense. Smaller players were punished physically when they drove to the paint. Contacts were allowed. Hand checking was allowed. Yet still MJ managed to score the most points and did it efficiently. It was 'unnatural' for a shooting guard to score with above 50 % shooting during that time but MJ did it. His averages also went up during the playoffs but of course he aswell had bad games as he was also just a human. The best basketball player of all time but still human. This "skill era" as you call it began around 2003 when less contact was allowed and hand checking became prohobited. NBA did this because they wanted more scoring and highlights to sell more tickets and to get more money. That made it easier for guards to score and harder to defend when less and less contact was allowed. MJ averaged 35 ppg and 37 ppg efficiently at the late 80s when contact was allowed much more and hand checking was allowed along with real paint protection. So don't come claiming he would not survive this era :D Several former players have announced that MJ would average 40 ppg during this softer era. Your claim has now been totally destroyed.

[@weirdboymarc7753]

Honestly I think Kobe and lebron is a better matchup Jordan is just on a whole different level

[@hallofjames43327]

Agreed

[@phraze410]

Agreed

[@FalseOracle617]

Kobe is on another level than LeBron.

[@rllmgr6117]

He's not even the best Laker of all-time 🤣🤣🤣

[@philohlrogge4207]

@@FalseOracle617 Stop it

[@SILMANTV]

Jordan had to retire 3 times for this to even be a DISCUSSION

[@wavecity7487]

TwArDxL people use that as an argument . That was his choice to retire three times. So if lebron chose to retire 10 times. People in the future would say well he did retire 10 times right? So he should if won more rings no that’s an invalid argument next!

[@SILMANTV]

Wave City lebron can do whatever he wants but what Jordan did in 11 years wit the bulls is untouchable the fact he retired 3 times and it’s still the way it is, is sum 🐐 shit so like I said if he doesn’t ever retire lebron isn’t even talked about I got lebron top 5 but not near Jordan

[@vernonherb]

@@SILMANTV good point

[@nikoszolotas3486]

So what? If he didn't maybe we all would believe that he is the goat but did he retire? Yes , so this comment its stupid

[@jdapaul1351]

TwArDxL If MJ didn't retire 3 times, I'm sure he'd be an 8-time champion. He'd win in '94 and '95.

[@MrJayt0625]

I already knew he wasn't the "Goat" but when he said "that one made me the greatest ever" it cemented his legacy as the "Donkey". This shouldn't even be a discussion anymore!!

[@damebandwagon4323]

No LeBron goat

[@peer2k408]

@@damebandwagon4323 why? Lebron not even in the top 5

[@nirangatang7759]

@@peer2k408 delusional

[@brandon.crotchett]

Why do people continue to say Lebron is faster...he’s 50 lbs heavier, I doubt he’s faster than MJ. People also say LBJ jumps higher, even though Jordan has him beat by 4 inches...just saying.

[@kcire-tv3wy]

They say this because they watch him in the open court. MJ is much quicker/faster.

[@brandon.crotchett]

kcire10 10 agreed, it’s easy to look fast when you’re in transition. I think you could also reason that cameras 20-30 years ago couldn’t quite capture the speed of the game, which is why games appeared slower back then!

[@sroland3533]

Why they say he's faster is bcse of his height & weight and the way he moves comparing him to the fct tht this era of players tend to be on the same level for say while in MJ's era he played against a lot of White Dudes who we wud always say aren't ready for this shit but imagine wen comparing the LeBron Lovers pull out all the stops and only speak abt " STATISTICS " but on the nxt end wen comparing the MJ Lovers just speak abt " FACTS ". Flu Game, Never Been Swept, Slam Dunk Champion x 2, Plain out Greater Offensive & Defensive Player, Never Quits whether Win or Lose, Never let's the Media Shake his play in which I've seen them change the play of both Kobe & LBJ, I mean come on Guys we're still going thru this Debate aftr wht we've seen over the last Couple Yrs of LBJ in the NBA. He went bck to Cleveland and Lost then all of a sudden he becomes GOD bcse he the same Team tht beat him the yr b4 a mean just bcse they had broken the NBA's all time Regular Season Winning Record ok cool but hey the following year he got beat by the same team in 6 games and the yr aftr he got " SWEPT " by the same Team then he left Cleveland for LA and cudnt even make it to the Playoffs and y'all still comparing. Come On Guys Y'all Need To Stop This Shit OK MJ all day every day any day anywhere any time .

[@LonnieReacts]

Lebron has a 44 inch vertical wtf is wrong with you💀😂 MJ doesent have a 48 inch vertical

[@deciphertwentythree7726]

@@LonnieReacts MJ has 46-48 his measure was on college. Still a better athlete than Leavebron

[@onedayyoumay95]

MJ retired 3 times he still had like 4-5 years in his prime he could’ve played imagine what he could’ve accomplished.

[@alexjames6412]

not really,by then MJ games already declined

[@baudrex]

I really think 2 three peat is enough

[@alexjames6412]

if MJ continued playing he will severely damage his career since,hes the goat in his prime but out of it hes just another super star

[@baudrex]

@@alexjames6412 MJ literally win everything possible. He was bigger than the nba, winning more don't even make sense. It like GSW if we add KD they were unbeateable and the game lose its sense. When MJ first come back, he was some old, but with his team they was too strong because he was like Mozart among musicians. After a second 3peat, why staying ? It's like Bill Russel, Kobe and Duncan, after 5 titles what does it matter. Bill 11 maybe 7 or 8 is enough to understand they was no competition there...

[@alexjames6412]

@@baudrex not really,they retires due to old age or their games has declined greatly

[@ericvanjames8395]

I'm not sure LeBron is 'faster' than Jordan. Stronger: yes. Faster: not sure??

[@Ace.of.Rage.]

Lebron being faster than MJ is media narrative. Does anyone know what's James' 40m sprint time?

[@thefatcat6695]

Eric Van James I promise Lebron James is faster than MJ lol, man was made in a lab

[@uchihamadara2329]

He is, he used to play football is 40-yard dash was quite impressive so yeah. ( And he wasn't in his prime.)

[@Ace.of.Rage.]

@@uchihamadara2329 What was his 40? Jordan ran a 4.3 40m.

[@aidangriffiths5075]

Definitely not faster

[@hateraid6320]

America ... first of all. He will “NEVER” be in the neighborhood of “MJ-23”.

[@drrydog]

MJ changed the game. LBJ changed the entire Lakers Roster, and.. maybe the coach too?

[@cedrickfk1627]

@Patrick Lorei '19 cry kid

[@kyoumeister8996]

@Patrick Lorei '19 Jordan 4-0 Shaq and Penny in 1996.

[@evilraskal5323]

Lindon b Johnson? Yeah is more qualified than Leprechaun James.

[@dmv118]

@Patrick Lorei '19 MJ changed the game. You see how players play today? Yeah, they came from MJ, AI, Shaq, etc.

[@mikelewis4529]

Jordan didn’t change shit, dude your just stupid. He still has the best selling ssneakers. When did he play last?

[@Zett76]

One important point gets overlooked all the time: Jordan pushed his teammates like hell. Some former co-players say the training was even tougher competition than the games. Jordan MADE the bulls become great. He MADE a very good and talented Pippen, and others, great. Those guys had to compete with him. „Get to my work ethics level, or get off my floor!“ So the Bulls had a great season when he left. They had the best possible training, all the time. ...Lebron is more the „lean back, relax, I got this“ type. So, of course, his mates don‘t thrive.

[@ThiagodMoraes]

That's true,during Pippen retirement ceremony Phil said,Mike gave his teammates hell on practice,while Scottie a only pat on the back hahaha But that's why they succeed

[@Jaoken]

No Lebron pushed his teammates kyrie even said it and dwane wade too

[@seahawksfan1928]

Exactly zett

[@mrkkilla7304]

@@Jaoken they were allstar already

[@chilled99]

Wasting your time bro. Everyone already knows Jordan is the greatest. Every player has confidence in themselves to become a top pro. LeBron is entitled to think he’s great, he’s done a lot.

[@miguelcp9453]

Entitled yes, saying it well thaths another thing

[@SPAC3CAD3T4]

Incorrect

[@joelburgos69]

Any man who must say, "I am the King", is no true king

[@Sam-tj9np]

Im pretty sure in the Bible God says "i am the lord your god" many times.

[@tyronelorenzovalentio3414]

@@Sam-tj9np well is god man

[@cartiughhh]

Dude MJ changed the game lol And LBJ changed the players Soooooooo...... Mj still the goat

[@jthehoopgod9152]

Zebra Gamer so curry the GOAT?? Ok

[@nickmeadows4414]

But changing the players is changing the game factttttttttttts

[@dektran4843]

gordon gund/dan gilbert vs krause and reinsdorf

[@harisnaufalia3430]

@@nickmeadows4414 yeah...when he's playing and his team won, he takes all credit But when.he's not playing...all his team mate get blamed for losing a match

[@grosskopf2779]

Changed the game? How?

[@j.r.z2836]

Get ready for a hole bunch of dislike from LeBron fans 😂

[@jhyquaviousshavers9400]

What your point

[@j.r.z2836]

@@jhyquaviousshavers9400 do I really need to tell you what my point is because I think it's obvious if you read my comment

[@charlesdavis5079]

damb right

[@papistokes_3788]

I'm a Lebron fan but its Austin dude

[@yohaanmungroo3552]

Michael Jordan has never carried a team by himself and lebron did that last year just because lebron doesn't have as many rings as michael don't mean nun bill russell has 11 and tbh if that's what yall goin by bill is better than mike soooo

[@mscottlawrence2037]

And real goats don't call themselves the best, mj never said he's the greatest even tho he's got the right to say it, he's had all the other greats call him the best

[@nbathekid4509]

He did say it once

[@mscottlawrence2037]

@@nbathekid4509 nope but all the greatest always said it about him that's the difference mj didn't have to brag on himself

[@cunt2092]

@@mscottlawrence2037 yeah he called himself the goat before, not saying he isn't but you gotta actually look at the facts

[@Phoenix-pm2qr]

He says it ALL the time. WTF are you talking about

[@manuelgutierrez3747]

Being humble has nothing to do with the argument of who the goat is

[@LatinOz23]

The mistake of people and media is that Mj should be compared to Kobe, Magic, Bill Rusell, Wilt and maybe others. This lbj vs Mj is basically like comparing a kia vs a Lexus :/

[@domination4892]

Fher 23 ???

[@domination4892]

Fher 23 It’s more like comparing a Mercedes to a Rolls Royce. They are both great and amazing, but the Rolls Royce has little more worth.

[@vishishtg3062]

Seriously y do u hate lebron so much

[@LatinOz23]

@@domination4892 yes, better analogy yes.

[@cmusa9677]

LeBron isn't faster. He runs a 4.6 and Jordan ran a 4.3

[@shawnberry3758]

Jordan is the GOAT....PERIOD.

[@AcidDizzy]

Teue

[@matthewpranata804]

Imagine thinking LeBron is the goat...

[@Cheapness360]

@@matthewpranata804 Imagine being a Jordan sexual.1-9 with 3 straight first round exits.

[@baldhead7759]

The boss man Seriously? Imagine being 3-9 on the biggest stage with 2 other all stars on your team. Imagine trying to say being 1-9 in the 1st round is comparable to losing on the biggest stage, and then trying to say Jordan fans are sexuals when they’re just using facts and common sense.

[@sentii8131]

@@baldhead7759 Jordan had a superteam that won 55 games without him and 57 with him. Lebrons Cavs won 61 with him and 19 without him. Don't compare

[@ral3514]

I'm 46 for those that are younger let me explain jordan, every game felt like Christmas morning,it always felt special,I didn't get those feels with James

[@redhotstickyphlegm270]

As far as I know, Jordan never encouraged players to join his teAm just to win an nba championship.

[@Blood-zz2kt]

Cause he didn’t have to

[@Sam-tj9np]

Jordan's gm's did that shit.

[@blaparty5514]

@@Sam-tj9npThat is good if it is true which it seems

[@phoenixrising7777]

Ironically, there were quite a few times MJ was pissed at decisions the GMs made and just had to deal. He didn’t like it when they traded Oakley, picked up Kukoc (I mean him and Scottie made it their personal mission to embarrass him at the Olympics after hearing he might come on the team), and especially Rodman (the pistons need I say more). Also keep in mind, when Jordan came to Chicago Bulls, the basketball team was so bad that the soccer team was getting a bigger draw at the stadium (no offense to soccer but you get my point). MJ worked with what he got whether he liked it or not and actually made his team better (compare the bulls without Jordan compared to Lebrons teams when he leaves). Lebron has had more control over his team than any other player in the NBA yet he still has excuses about how he doesn’t have a good enough team despite creating super team after super team. Lebron should listen to Nike and just do it instead of making excuses.

[@Triplexxx9081]

Jordan= GOAT Lebron= Greatest hairline in the nba

[@damebandwagon4323]

Lebro goat

[@damebandwagon4323]

LeBron goat

[@iamyug]

If this picture is ur real picture than my buddy you don't have a great hairline either.

[@Viper-jf2ob]

@@iamyug that's flight you mong

[@1ksprite963]

@@iamyug Thats FTC

[@terrymcneill9639]

I would like to know why I hear people always saying LeBron was a more efficient shooter Jordan still has a better field goal percentage on his career

[@kcire-tv3wy]

Lebron is slightly higher, percentage-wise, from the field than Jordan. This is mainly due to rules changes that benefit the offensive player nowadays and clears the lane for easy baskets as opposed to when Jordan played. Also, if Jordan didn't come back to the Wizards, his lifetime fg% would be somewhere around 52%. That is amazing for a 2-guard who shot that much in the era in which he did it in.

[@GattsuFTW]

​@@kcire-tv3wy I don't see how much easier is now a days in comparison to MJ era. Why do you think there's a lot more 3 points than on those days? That's caused by rules restrictions that used to be on defense that allowed the better players to score easier (isolation era). Zone defense or leave guarding a player wasn't allowed (what a joke). Current era is much more tougher. All 1 to 1 great players like mj and kobe thinks the same. All things about it was much more physical or what ever is bullshit. Watch a match and come again.

[@ericjordan6059]

@@GattsuFTW ... LOL I've been watching the game for close to 40 years so I'm not speaking from heresy. And you have absolutely no clue as to what you are talking about. In those days, the 3 was looked at as a novelty shot because you can never be super efficient using it. Also, if you did get fouled shooting it back then, you only got 2 shots (As I can recall, in 86 when Chicago and Boston played in the playoffs, Jordan got fouled by McHale shooting a 3. Jordan went to the line with :00 left and they were down by 2. He made em both but the Bulls lost in OT. Imagine if he'd had that 3rd shot!!!). Nowadays, rules changes allow for players to push off, iso-play and take extra-steps so they can get open shots more easily (along with the lack of physical presence consistently in the lane), assisted by weak defensive efforts these "stronger, bigger, faster" players play. Back then, you had more than a few teams who played what was called floating zones, which allowed help for players who weren't apt at playing tough defense (the Celtics AND LA ran the hell out of it and you see what Jordan did to it when he scored 63 against Boston in the 86 playoffs correct?). And yes they could also use trap defense to double and triple team. You had to commit to it. You couldn't stand in a space where you guarded no one at all. THAT is how that rule worked. Learn it! Today's league and players are a fucking joke and a lot wouldn't do well. Look at Russell Westbrick. He had a bitch fit a few weeks back when they played GS and he was fouled by Thompson. That was 1 fucking foul. Imagine getting handchecked or an arm-bar your whole career. It takes a lot out of you and can affect your game. The rules have changed to make it easier for the offensive player to get to the basket (League officials and higher ups have stated this plenty of times years ago. You didn't get the memo?!?!). Look at the proof, Lebron and Kobe's scoring jumped around 2005-2006, Tony Parker was waltzing into the lane like he lived there. Steve Nash got 2 MVP awards waltzing up in the lane. You have no clue. As I've stated before, I have been watching this game for a long time and the shit these new players get away with is a fucking travesty. You know it is. Do some more homework before you come talking to me.

[@ericjordan6059]

@Allan Dos Santos ... Incorrect. Lebron scores 70% of his point from inside 10ft. His shot is not better and you've been deceived by the ESPN hype machine my friend.

[@mrkkilla7304]

@@GattsuFTW whatyou trying to say...please

[@josegerardosamia9274]

Lebron is a good player but Michael Jordan is the greatest player in history of NBA. Why? You can see how he play its different to lebron. Michael Jordan can shoot everywhere and no fear to drive inside. His mentality and high IQ tnats why M.J. is the GOAT Period.

[@TenaciousZen]

plus LBJ has bad footwork, suspect handles...and he is super stiff...and shoots sideways...its painful for me to watch sometimes

[@alba558]

LeBron can do anything finish lobs logo shots dunks ankle breakers jelly layups pass like magic post up and has the better basketball IQ

[@TenaciousZen]

@@alba558 ankle breakers?!?! when? LOL

[@yvanazastrasz9013]

The real Reason Lebron Will never Surpass Jordan fits in 1 simple word : ATTITUDE. One has a winner's mentality and attitude, the other one's got that of a quitter.

[@rolan5333]

Amen to that!

[@christianhenry4173]

Goats and Chickens don't share the same skin. MJ is 🐐 But LeBron he's the COAT 🧥 The chicken 🐔 of all time.

[@jhuntroydeleon8102]

u are damn right

[@arjunpatel9196]

Respect greatness. You can push mj up without pushing lebron down. By no means is lebron the goat, but calling him chicken is plain stupid. He was an amazing player, and we shouldn’t criticize him because he is the only way to make this goat conversation interesting

[@yvanazastrasz9013]

@Mr. Layth Adrian I'd put Larry and Kobe on equal footing to MJ when it comes to the will to win.

[@austindorsey-steele1368]

The crazy thing is when people say mj had no competition! I look at them for a second and just walk away

[@imnotasfunnyasithinkiam1445]

That's ludicrous. He played in the era of the bad boys from detroit where they didn't just want to keep you from scoring, they wanted to punish you. Remember the Jordan rules. They put him on the floor virtually every time he drove to the hoop. Today's NBA is a powder puff league where you can't d up like you could back then. Imagine Detroit playing GS. Steph would be on his butt every time he'd try to put up a 3. I doubt he'd be posing for his 3 point shots much after getting hard fouled. Not saying Lebron isn't great, but you are right in that defense back then was so much rougher. And oh yea, Jordan had to play through Isiah Thomas, Barkley, Ewing, Malone, Drexler and the list goes on an on.

[@austindorsey-steele1368]

Exactly, and mj had to play with a league full of dominate big men, there is big men now, but its mostly SF, SG,PG that are constantly dominate year after year. Therefore, jordan had to play against people who were 6 to 8 inches taller than him

[@barisk6855]

@@imnotasfunnyasithinkiam1445 man that Detroit defense was a joy to watch

[@imnotasfunnyasithinkiam1445]

Unless they were beating up on my Bulls :). It was so much fun watching games back then. Now it's just a 3pt contest. Oh well we must adapt or stop watching.@@barisk6855

[@airforcex9412]

The Blazers, Jazz, Suns, S-Sonics were not Golden State. The Bulls did not, ever, go to the finals against a superior team. They went against good teams, with great names.

[@MyMjtaylor]

Jordan is a whole different level of player. His drive alone is second to none. No game 7 in the finals

[@AmanSingh-bt1rx]

But why 55 wins without goat, 57 with him... Only 2 games difference .. I get lebron's teams are built around him, but Jordan had Phil Jackson , do not forget that

[@theephraimite]

Aman Singh, the bulls were 55 without Jordan, but didn’t event make it to the eastern conference finals. The season that followed, the bulls almost did not make the playoffs until Jordan returned late that year to give them a winning record with a playoff spot.

[@jasonturner6459]

@@theephraimite This. You beat me to it. They also gained a few key players while still retaining Grant. A lineup Jordan never had and Pippen played great. But you got the nail on the head.

[@jasonturner6459]

@@AmanSingh-bt1rx LeBron is great but aside from what the previous commenter said, His team fell so low because he left, several teammates left or got injured and they lost their coach. Not just James leaving. That and the LeBron system tends to rely heavily on James ball dominating with a bunch of shooters

[@MyMjtaylor]

@Lisa Rose you have no idea

[@arnabsinhababu3917]

Jordan guarding Grant Hill still give me chills....

[@bgmck349]

Michael is actually faster...ran a 4.3 in college...bron clocked 4.6

[@yessirkilo7017]

LeBron is the fastest player of all time. It’s a fact bro

[@tyresejavin4160]

@@yessirkilo7017 no he’s not.

[@yessirkilo7017]

@@tyresejavin4160 search buddy. Lmfao he is

[@chaihavertz9203]

@@yessirkilo7017 lmfao no hes not. Go "search" buddy, its between Derrick Rose, John Wall or Russell Westbrook.

[@AmanSingh-bt1rx]

It's actually de Aaron fox who is the fastest player ever

[@97phenom13]

Can you imagine Lebron playing against the Detroit Bad Boys or the Knicks with Ewing, Oakley, Mason, & McDaniel? He constantly cries for fouls in today's NBA, 5 minutes against some of the defenses back when defense was allowed would have him going home in tears. Try flopping back then and those guys will give you a reason to be flat on your back.

[@fighterck6241]

Lol, remember the "Jordan Rules". LeBron would probably quit basketball if teams did that these days.

[@aydenmartinez360]

Lol so tru

[@mr.z6252]

@Patrick Lorei '19 do you see Kobe Flop ???? Yeah right the answer No

[@Noofizz]

You do realize that what defense was back then was literally just hacking and grabbing people

[@mr.z6252]

@@Noofizz back then there's no such as thing as "Zone" back then Defense was "Man to Man" so you have to Rotate all the time.... If you stay to far from your men.... You're gonna give enemy free throw because of Illegal Defense

[@phraze410]

It's not even debatable...😩😩😩😩 This generation don't read or get facts....They ride of emotions and "VIBES."

[@aaronaiysen7534]

He’s not faster than Jordan. He ran a 4:2 his freshman year

[@chriswells2690]

he is dude anybody can tell u tht 😂

[@petarprskalo45]

The basketball goat is Patrick McCaw 3 season 3 rings 🤣🤣

[@BeeSuwun]

Imagine the current lakers against the 95'-96' Bulls. Just imagine..

[@josephprather9837]

The lakers would get killed

[@pizzabagelz1204]

Imagine them getting destroyed

[@laytakeswalls4518]

Oh boy

[@juilliardchrisv.sitjar6361]

@@pizzabagelz1204 lmao who are you to talk???

[@juilliardchrisv.sitjar6361]

@@pizzabagelz1204 i mean are u a basketball player or something?? just asking

[@bobomakhoro8180]

I’m from South Africa where basketball isn’t too big and honestly your videos have made me a big NBA fan . I now follow the NBA religiously . Keep it up bro !!!

[@zzz.tyrone]

Bobo Makhoro you should follow God

[@thatomakoro3727]

Hey, I'm using my mom's account but I'm also from RSA🤘🏽🔥. I've decided to return to basketball because of this gent. 🙌🏽

[@Tolstoy111]

Lebron’s assists numbers are a function of him being the center of the offense. He brings the ball up the court. Jordan didn’t play in that sort of offense under Phil Jackson. When Jordan actually played point guard for the latter half of the 1988-89 season, he put up crazy numbers. He averaged nearly a triple double.

[@jayman6157]

As far as stats go as a scorer that’s what MJ did. in an age where as you said hand checking was key. MJ was a big 2 guard (6’6 210-220) in the 90s so he just abused some of the other wings and Scottie was usually guarding the best offensive player on the other team also so.... that’s why I think because accolades count MJ is the “greatest “ but the best player is Lebron

[@meg-k-waldren]

The LeBron more athletic argument doesnt hold water either. 1. He's not faster than MJ 2. He doesnt have a quicker 1st step than MJ. 3. MJ great leaper off both one leg and two legs. LeBron just off one leg. 4. Lebron's strength shows in transition, but his low post game weaker than MJs. He even had to go take post up lessons from Olajuwon. Facts. Case closed.

[@Bionic_Fonzie]

MJ has the highest recorded vertical in the NBA...48"

[@kirkcallanta1285]

5. Lebron can't walk on air like MJ 6. He doesn't have the original mamba mentality 7. Lebron is not a reliable free throw shooter in the clutch like MJ

[@vernonleewarren280]

Agreed my man. Absolutely truth!

[@jordyngbv2070]

Preach

[@jordyngbv2070]

@@kirkcallanta1285 8. LeBron can't shoot free throws 😂

[@davidg7283]

Jordsn ran to the gym when things got tough. Lebron ran to another team. Facts youngsters, it is what it is. Jordan the 🐐

[@collosaltitan6466]

David Gurganus different situations and circumstances his first stint in cle the gm gave him nothing to stop the big three boston celtics we all would’ve left that team after 7-8 years of no help

[@andrewliu111]

As a Lebron fan, I completely agree with the fact that Jordan is the goat. Cause he is a better two-way player, better clutch player(Lebron is more clutch than people think). But Jordan is the most legitimate one who has almost no meltdowns, far more accolades and team sucess. But one reason I can't endure is to say Lebron formed a superteam. Cause if Lebron's team is a superteam, than Jordan's Bulls which gain more sucess is a super super super team. Plus, Jordan teams are usually the favorites in playoffs despite the first few years. But the only time Lebron's team has been the obvious favorite is in 2011 and 2013 and he chokes in 2011 which I am sill mad of and 2013. I mean if you compare (Jordan's team vs his opponent) vs (Lebron's team vs his opponent), Lebron is in the downside more.

[@jacklindsay9395]

That is so true lol

[@sherwinmondesto7811]

Hahaha.ur right.

[@darrin6057]

@Donovan Torres mj threatened to leave several times stop this shit

[@weaponx2980]

I love this vid because it’s all context that nobody ever mentions when it comes to Lebron or just the comparisons

[@codymounsey7845]

The 2011 Miami heat team without bron would still put up a fight against the mavs but with bron, THEY STILL LOST

[@gjlipana881]

Dude lebron beat a hurt and short handed warriors man.

[@tres445]

Yes curry was injured and prob if Draymond wasnt ejected they wouldve won in game 6

[@gjlipana881]

@@someguy4046 nahhh, iggy was wobbling so is curry, its hard for him to recover and play all out while playing kyrie and dame in back to back series, draymond got suspended then bogut got injured (which by the way controlled thompson in the first four games from offensive rebounds) thompson averaged almost 10 offensive rebounds per game after just 3 when bogut was okay.

[@gordonburt4414]

@@gjlipana881 LeBron block, Curry played, and Iggy wobbling? Man you just a hater

[@gordonburt4414]

@@gjlipana881 LeBron block, Curry played, and Iggy wobbling? Man you just a hater

[@gordonburt4414]

@@gjlipana881 also Draymond played in game 7, no excuses for the warriors

[@grizz6099]

He won mvp scoring title and DPOY in the same year Mj is the greatest

[@williamtoad8040]

RBG yea but it was kinda odd that he won the MVP that year when his team was only 50-32, tied for 7th best record that year with the Atlanta Hawks. I’d say switch 1988 with 1997.

[@theballereli]

LeBron won MVP and got robbed for DPOTY twice in 2008 and 2013. DEFINITELY shouldve won DPOTY in 2013

[@darthkage2163]

@@theballereli nope

[@cdplaya1973]

Steals leader that season too

[@jerrygranvillejr.5137]

He still isn't a better scorer than Kobe. See, Kobe is the real Goat.

[@kirillknyazevknyazew1634]

MJ never lost while being the favorite, or even remotely close to favorite. LeBron did, twice.

[@sdude0572]

And Chicago was one game away from the eastern conference finals

[@manninghascool2715]

I hate when people think LeBrons the best

[@phsefp]

Yeah mj still got his game

[@phsefp]

He's playing well without dunking rn

[@rocmcgee8314]

He's not a top 5 player LeBron

[@ralphwiggum1982]

Manninghascool he’s the best just not the greatest of all time lebron is easily a top 10 player with past an present players included but just not better then Jordan

[@fysmike1998]

WO0 yEAHHH Lmaoo u must be talking for bron bc their are solid stats and facts that prove mj Better, u don’t wanna hear ppl say mj the goat fine , but there’s no doubt who’s the better player

[@kevinsmiley7069]

Skip Bayless sounds pretty young in this video

[@redgoo7286]

😂

[@emmanuelmartinez7973]

😪😪😪😭😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@cowboyninja2271]

R.I.P.

[@Yungdarius]

Thats fucking hilarious but i hope its not serious.

[@Yungdarius]

@NonyaBusiness! I agree

[@danieldilawri2711]

3:02 lebron could easily have 6 mvps

[@1ksprite963]

How come he couldn't tho? Jordan got robbed in 89', 90', 97', 93', by your logic MJ should've easily had 10 MVPS, just stfu kid, there's no IFs or BUTs.

[@lamalah8499]

But, he didn't...... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@danieldilawri2711]

@@lamalah8499 he should have. Both him and Jordan could easily have 6-8 mvps. Using Jordan having 5 mvps to lebron’s 4 is a bull shit argument

[@lamalah8499]

@@danieldilawri2711 again.... But, he didn't got it... U can give him...... 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@1ksprite963]

@@danieldilawri2711 Okay buddy, and MJ would easily win 17 rings and 18 MVPS

[@DJQuan718]

10:30 Bruh 😂

[@dirtyguy4176]

Idk why people always compare. There will be no more other MJ and there will be no more other LBJ they both great. but theres always a Steph Curry with 40 inch vertical 😂

[@steve7131]

Who, Lonzo? 😂

[@johnnyboi331]

in the future there will be a steph curry with a 40 inch vertical. people are training kids to shoot 3s from super young right now. and that guy will surpass MJ and lebron.

[@wearethe9947]

@@johnnyboi331 they will surpass them in shooting 3s. NBA will be just that. Drive and kick. Gets really boring....

[@Zero-wy2gx]

Where did that meme come from?

[@brucestolemyzen6829]

@@Zero-wy2gx young precise

[@ellisv75]

Could you imagine in this era how many points Jordan would score with no hand checking and him going to the line after every shot because, offense.

[@gilbertalvarez5917]

Probably around 40-5-5 with a 53% field goal, and around 36% from 3

[@snowdad2346]

Fun fact most players that that went from hand checking to no hand checking said it was harder to score in the no hand checking era. Jordan would probably be doing around 23-5-6

[@ellisv75]

Tobias Chambers fun fact, the actual stats on PPG disagree.

[@snowdad2346]

@@ellisv75 if tgeir ppg went up why is the score of basketball games going down? There was a time were 120 was normal before hand checking, now in the 2000"s 120 games are rare. The interviews with players before that played in both eras said no hand checking was harder

[@BobBob-wd6hn]

Tobias Chambers bra stop

[@jdapaul1351]

And Jordan played with good coaches and management. The Bulls focuses on playing as a team with Jordan taking the lead. Bron's was built around him alone. There's a big difference.

[@fa1509]

Coach yeah but management hell no, it had been terrible since Jordan came to the bulls but Jordan only cared about winning and playing basketball

[@Brownieboy-bo5mg]

Not even coach where was phil jackson before mj lmao the reason phil is one of the all time great coaches was because his 2 3 peat with the bulls

[@ericjordan6059]

Yep. Phil Jackson was an assistant coach for Chicago before taking the head coaching position. He learned the triangle from Tex Winters and asked Mike to try it out. The players on that team were rookies and journeymen. They worked together for years to build that cohesiveness up, the confidence and people want to say these players were great from gate? Bullshit!

[@dauntejames8617]

“Fouls for passing gas”😂😂😂... this is so true!👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@hectorrodriguezrivero7589]

You kill it once you show the facts= 13 years vs James 16 years. And like I always say, if MJ played for 20 years imagine where would he be on the leading points list? MJ is the truth and the real G.O.A.T

[@higharchbishopofteatasting6217]

Except he didn't play for 20 seasons so no it doesn't matter how long they played it matters what they did in that time so if LeBron surpasses Mike in his 22nd season he still beat Mike but LeBron has not passed Mike yet but he still has the chance

[@donknife6213]

Connor Jacobson Literally matters as it took Lebron many more seasons to finally reach or surpass Jordan’s records which he set in less seasons at just 13. Imagining calling yourself the GOAT when you need more seasons/more advantages to beat the stats of the actual GOAT. This further proves the point of MJ being the GOAT LOOOL

[@riosiscold9865]

@@donknife6213 Thank you, people forget to use logic nowadays

[@donknife6213]

@@riosiscold9865 trust me bro

[@donknife6213]

Some Guy ohh stop with this nonsense, no matter which era, MJ would have and always will ball 🤷🏻‍♂️🤫

[@thejd9556]

I love LeBron James but MJ is apart of my childhood, still love the Bulls and Space Jam

[@rickyeldiablo800]

"apart of my childhood"

[@P4p775]

Ricky this how you know these guys don't know shit about basketball. They are just living in the moment.

[@keshavdoobay5511]

Brush

[@AmanSingh-bt1rx]

So if you saw him in your childhood that makes him the greatest player.. that is biased as hell

[@simasima9455]

GrumpoGrump You don’t know anything about basketball if you like MJ for Space Jam... What a dumb ass

[@user-rr5ju6lg6z]

Thank you

[@jlshine17]

EXACTLY!!!

[@ewjomega2596]

LeBron is not better than Kobe, Magic or Kareem. Right now LeBron is neck and neck with Larry Bird

[@darthkage2163]

Don't be disrespecting bird like that

[@urbnwvy484]

ewj omega kobe is not even top 10

[@hardkore360]

Lebum got swept in the finals.... yeah,let that sink in... a GOAT would NEVER allow that to happen, end of story.

[@bigmon1826]

Mj would have gotten swept but he didn’t even make to the final by himself

[@hardkore360]

@@bigmon1826 "would have" does not mean it HAPPENED, stop making excuses for Lebum

[@5at5una]

@@bigmon1826 so youre saying LBJ got to the final by himself? Curry, Duncan n Dirk? n all these (curry is debatable since KD) just going around recruiting superstar player to play with them?

[@hardkore360]

@@5at5una hes a Bronsexual, another Lesbro, that explains it ALL

[@bobjeff6899]

Jordan got swept in the first round lmao

[@razza1580]

Love that thumbnail

[@C_2424]

What about Kobe? Rip Kobe and Gigi and 7 others

[@dbz4735]

Kobe is the 2nd greatest of all time lebron is just overrated

[@manuelgutierrez3747]

He was a micheal jordan clone

[@stealthiscool]

when you look deeper James IS NOT a better rebounder than Jordan. He pads his stats with defensive rebounds whilst MJ was far better at offensive rebounding which is a better indication of how good a rebounder you actually are

[@MINK2393]

stealthiscool Lebron James is a Small Forward he’s supposed to be a better rebounder than MJ who is a SG.. Lebron stans don’t know basketball so they never bring this point up

[@matthewmitchell664]

stealthiscool ur dumb and prolly don’t even play basketball

[@allanafuang5731]

@@MINK2393 Ok Jordan is a shooting guard so he's supposed to be a better scorer than Lebron.

[@cesanael]

2 things. 2011. And the disrespect to kobe.

[@dotachin93]

and to kareem.

[@jordanb3120]

@@dotachin93 And to Tim Duncan at that

[@lebronblew5finalsnottop5ne22]

@@dotachin93 definitely towards Kareem

[@johntubb9567]

James has surpassed Kobe. MJ however is on another level

[@jordanb3120]

@@johntubb9567 5/2 > 3/6

[@bryantmiller6390]

How can you say someone has a better overall game but not call him better?

[@davidcorrea7888]

i love jordan and love debating him and lebron but everyone always says “the only thing jordan has on lebron is rings and lebron played on much tougher competition” and i honestly don’t know what to say to that

[@mattfenske9132]

As us kids who where born in the 80s remember the jordan days the most it was pure magic from the fade aways to him soreing through the sky its like time stopped when he did. He had and impact on all of us in those days he was a true player and all around athlete. I never felt anything from lebron but me me me its all about me no memories to keep or moments to keep it was all about him and his greed. Mj is the goat plain and simple but unless you were is his era and watched or went to his games you will never truly know the feeling we all got when he stepped onto that court we knew it would be special.

[@Bballfan1992]

Patrick Lorei '19 we aren’t talking about how they are as people. We are talking about on the court. Yes Lebron does way more for the community, and is great with people, but that shit don’t matter on the court. You either ball out, or leave. I’ll take a closer in MJ than a nice person outside the gym to win me a championship.

[@kyoumeister8996]

@Patrick Lorei '19 And Jordan donated his whole year salary for the 911 victims. So?

[@JohnAmaro_Official]

@Patrick Lorei '19 lebron is not even in the top 10 dude..there are much better players,kobe even pippen,magic,shaq all these guys are way better..i read all your comments in this video and you are hating Mj.but Mj is the best player ever end of story.Everyone on the planet knows Mj,the number 23,the "air jordan",the nike air shoes..i mean cmon...I live in europe and Mj is the reason that everyone in europe started watching NBA..now nba is just borring so just pls stop posting bullshit...its a really hard road to become the best so yes you have to be a strong character as well,otherwise other people will easily put u down.Mj was a leader thats it,he was not a bad person,he was smart..He would put you down with words,he would do anything to win.but it was also the way he was playing,the way he was shooting,the way he used to stay up in the air,his style was unique...none can come close that..Lebron is just a good player..i dont understand how can u compare him with MJ,forget the stats..just watch them playing. I dont see anything special with lebron just a good player... Even kobe was more impressive in everything.. Magic once told "its mj and then the rest of us"..ask people in europe,believe me 90% dont even know who lebron is..ask about Mj everyone knows him..because he is the best,ge is the person who made chicago bulls really big,he played against some of the top players in nba history and manage to win and stay on top..even the usa dream team "all star" was unbeatable back then..

[@JohnAmaro_Official]

@Patrick Lorei '19 i never said lebron is average. I said he is a very good player . But thats it. He has a good story about how he grew up i understand this.he is a good guy i also understand this. But watching him playing,even his best off on youtube,i have never said "wow how the f@ck did he do that" ..after 25 years watching mj i still say that after watching him playing.Thats what i am trying to say...He is missing that "wow factor" in his game that MJ had. Everyone can score but not many players can make you say wow how did he do that

[@JohnAmaro_Official]

@Patrick Lorei '19 lets move forward with this subject. You already said that jordan is the goat so we agree on that:) Lebron at this moment is probably the best player on nba i guess we also agree on that as well:) so of course we are 2 completely different persons we canot agree on everything but neither of us is right or wrong as its subjective how each of us see things) but we both love basketball and that is all that matters..:)

[@solomongrundy1616]

Your arguments were very on the surface and simple....But honestly they all make sense and have great bearing. LeBron is clutch but isn’t AS CLUTCH as MJ. He’s skilled but not AS SKILLED as MJ. The standard isn’t to be as good or close to him, it’s to be better than Mj. No one can really say that LeBron has definitively shown to be better than Jordan. He has holes in his game, can’t humble himself to play in an actual system, padded his stats in losing situations, and had a choke job in the biggest stage. 2011 was fucking horrible and just because it happened a long time ago, doesn’t mean it’s gonna go away. From the wise words of Magic Johnson. “Because the keys is. CAN HE STOP JASON TERRY?”

[@kcire-tv3wy]

*Applause* Now here is a man with brains!

[@solomongrundy1616]

kcire10 10 thank you sir lmao

[@rokozaki]

The real reason really lies in the first minute of the video. Back then, things were different, or more specifically, much harder. Tougher defense, more aggressive and no easy baskets as of today. It’s more of a show today’s NBA where it’s more about generating spectacular content rather than the sport it was set out to be. Just go back to the 97/98-finals and watch the level of roughness the players had to deal with. I think true basketball fans truly miss ideas like hand-checking, because it allowed for great dynamics and balance between defense and offense. I cannot put Lebron higher since Jordan would totally obliterate all competition if he had played in today’s era.

[@joshjones9749]

The league was as oppressive on Defense as the current league is on offense. There are nights offense doesn't work out. Hard defense is alot more consistent and can only be much harder to win against. The league of today simply doesn't deal with that level of defense at all.

[@felixjenkins4521]

If lebron played back then he wouldn’t do near as well

[@jo9354]

Very true. Opposing teams defensive strategy against Jordan was to literally beat him up. And they did. James has never faced that. If Jordan, Magic, and Bird played today, Lebron James would be thought of as just another player.

[@legendarywiimaster]

@@felixjenkins4521 man dominated the 2000s, is that era soft?

[@joeycheng8147]

3-5 VS 6-0 End of story

[@joeycheng8147]

@KobeDropped_81 oops LOL

[@joeycheng8147]

@Ta wup the greatest shooters of all time ... Clay curry durant LOL Dude are you 12 years old?

[@JohnCena-vn5xm]

4-7 now

[@simpled3308]

@@JohnCena-vn5xm 4-6***

[@BitsBlitzPH]

@@JohnCena-vn5xm still 6-0 and 4-6. What a shame to even argue

[@paorawatene3078]

Lebron and Jordan be arguing over who the goat is and Kobe is crying in the corner 😢😢

[@seahawksfan1928]

I know it’s funny cause Kobe is still better than LeBron

[@philohlrogge4207]

@@seahawksfan1928 L

[@noahvanherik5121]

@@seahawksfan1928 fax

[@imjr8o8]

@@seahawksfan1928 lebron on another level

[@andrewliu111]

@@seahawksfan1928 I know I might have a fight with you on this and I know what you are going to say to put Kobe over LeBron. But I believe we are arguing who is the SGOAT.

[@aziahashley4902]

No matter what anyone says Jordan will always be the goat and nobody can ever say different because he played in the hardest time in the NBA if lebron played in his time we wouldn't be having this discussion it wouldn't even be close

[@bobjeff6899]

Hand Check didn’t make the game harder. It changed the game, but getting to play in nba is way harder since the skill requirements are so much higher than in Jordan’s era

[@dylangodwin3587]

Not saying LBJ is the goat, but he played his rookie year with hand checks and still put up insane numbers for a rookie

[@NotTheWheel]

I've seen Lebron quit in championships where the games came close and he couldn't make the difference just sat on the bench pouting... I saw Lebron blame his team for his losses instead of taking it on himself. Plays in a softer era of Basketball (where they apparently also ignore traveling) The guy is a Talent vampire, took players away from their teams to play with him for ridiculous amounts of money so he can have an easier time getting to championships and yet still loses more than he's won with super teams built for him for all except for his first one which he lost btw. It's because of him we live in an Era of Super Teams.

[@morsteen]

I think you meant "built for perimeter players to excel "

[@jon8015]

All of this is 100% accurate, the perfect video supporting the Jordan argument, however, for longevity, Jordan played every game like it was his last, he never took games off during the regular season, and always pushed himself, even in practice. LeBron is always taking breaks, and not really pushing himself unless he’s in the playoffs.

[@lunar3055]

Thats totally true. I think a lot of modern player takes a lot better care of their bodies and are able to be healthier and have longer primes because of it. Lebron doesn’t care to much about the regular season because he knows the playoffs is where it matters most

[@aronneibarra]

If your're watching the NBA Finals right now, it's easy to see that three-peating is not easy. Warriors having a hard time but MJ did it TWICE with teams with a maximum of 2 all-stars (him and Pippen). That just shows the drive Jordan has. From this perspective, there's no way LeBron is the GOAT.

[@gunveersinghdhir6186]

Ever heard of these two guys called Dennis Rodman and Horrace Grant I think they mightve been all stars too just saying. Oh and there was also one more player Steve Kerr. The fact that you actually said he never had more than two all stars on his team just shows that you never even watched him play and probably know about him through nba2k games so just shut up . LBJ having just one more all star on his team in Kyrie Irving (who wasn't even in his prime yet ) beat a 73 win team . Y'all are just salty and like mj cause everyone tells you to

[@princeeissac6987]

@@gunveersinghdhir6186 You have a point.. but didn't bron have another allstar teammate (Kevin Love) during that time.. oh yeah.. I forgot to mention that MJ never had a superstar meltdown during his career unlike LBJ in 2011 Finals against the Mavs.. maybe you forgot about that fact?? MJ is the G.O.A.T..

[@gunveersinghdhir6186]

@@princeeissac6987 Kevin love was out injured for most of the season and he never really returned to his all star self. Plus while you're right LeBron did have a meltdown in 2011 but Mj did too not in the finals but prior to 91 when he couldn't even make it out of the second round in the playoffs and would be bested by the pistons

[@princeeissac6987]

@@gunveersinghdhir6186 Are you sure MJ had a meltdown during a playoff series? Or was it a game? Which game, year and date was that? I dont remember anything like it.. Unlike LBJ who melted down for a Finals series... the coach even said that LBJ basically wasnt felt there..

[@gunveersinghdhir6186]

@@princeeissac6987 what I meant was mj also couldn't make it to the finals let alone win a play off series till he got some help .I just hate when people are like LeBron can only win on a good team but what they don't realise he took a bum ass team to the finals and even after that they refused to get him some help so he left . Mj always had good management with one of the most legendary coaches ever . I'm not hating on MJ I still think he is the goat and lebron is second but it's really close like really close and people don't seem to realise that and once it's all said and done LeBron might actually surpass MJ cause he's showing no signs of slowing down

[@nickcross2684]

Already knew this but it’s nice to know others do as well

[@user-bh4yc6dp4s]

You can't compared this two guys since they play in different era

[@rjbenitez1025]

Kevin Garnett: NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!!

[@afrosamurai64]

It's ANYTHING IS POOSIIIIBLEEE

[@lucas_otero]

ITS ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE YOU NINGUS

[@user-te3gs4iz6q]

It’s anything is possible

[@patrickconlon9213]

I like lebron but you just can’t argue any of these points he brought up, in the end MJ was a psychopath when it came to being competitive but lebron doesn’t have that same mentality and the accolades show that

[@patrickconlon9213]

He can definitely be the number 2 spot for greatest of all time

[@zionzero7117]

Debatable

[@jaahnnn]

Tim Duncan is better than any pf jordan ever beat. Kevin Durant is better than any sf jordan ever beat. Steph curry is better than any pg jordan ever beat. Jordan's teams were never an underdog in any series they ever won ..look it up

[@bigodawg6536]

John Perkins okay so your Definition of Greatness is Being number 2 I'm confused I thought The object of the game was to be the BEST Not beat the BEST Jordans Bulls was Never an UnderDog Because he Made Sure they was da BEST by being the G.O.A.T. Every night U can't Slay da Giant if U are da Giant think 🤔Before u speak 🗣Because Dat was da Dumbest Shit I ever heard

[@jaahnnn]

@@bigodawg6536 lol my comment seems dumb because the point went way over your head haha. My point is that lebron is playing against way better players and teams than jordan was playing against. I've already wasted too many characters. Bro jordan lost to shaq and penny, just imagine what Duncan's big 3 or the Warriors would've don't to him ..Jordan was 1-3 against the bad boys, never beat larry bird in a series, only beat the Lakers when kareem wasn't there so that don't count

[@blah7958]

LeBron has only had one other all nba player with him every time he’s played meanwhile Jordan had Toni kukoc Scottie popper and Dennis Rodman

[@paulthomson9709]

Then lebron should be on his teams backs getting the best out of them the way jordan did with bulls , the rest of the bulls were that good because jordan let them and encouraged them to be that good , lebron is incapable of doing that

[@edwardw6811]

Jordan made his teammates better MJ was pushing them to be better because he wanted to win, ever watched the last dance? I recommend you to watch it.

[@blah7958]

Edward W yes I have and lebron actually does the same thing but he has only had 1 other all nba player and he can still win championships and Mj when he was in the same situation as lebron with only 1 all nba player couldn’t win

[@paulthomson9709]

@@blah7958 when did michael jordan lose a finals?.

[@Mike-ts2eq]

Sure sure. Did you know how many allstars Lebron played with? Or you are just commenting without knowing facts?

[@mr.authentic2505]

And the dude went off to play baseball 😂🤣😂🤣😂GOAT

[@Calilou52]

Jordan would have never left chicago to form a big 3. He stayed loyal and brought them 6 chips. Thats why Lebron will never pass him. Also MJ is 6-6 in the finals, Lebron is 3-9.

[@Calilou52]

@keepnitreel 4me yeah i meant 6 of 6 thats why i said 3 of 9 for Lebron

[@wild9581]

7 rings if he wanted to like in 94

[@vt248]

Cuz he keeps losing, fails under pressure and switches teams every 3-4 yrs?!?

[@johnlaceda6542]

I can't tell if you're joking but yes.

[@jtgaming8651]

Skanks

[@meciasrivera4769]

Can someone send this to the editors at ESPN or who ever is running ESPN so they can end the debate once & for all!!!!!!!!

[@lone4386]

Not mentioned his buzzer beater in his last all star game that may have been an iconic shot of his career showing his killer instinct

[@henrylacaba9795]

MJ by far is the GOAT over Lebron. PERIOD

[@moneyhands2339]

Even NBA 2k19 thinks MJ is G.O.A.T in franchise mode with Jordan on social media he’s referred to as G.O.A.T

[@rikaiturner2713]

Nah

[@wornoutshoes11]

How can anyone say that lebum is better than MJ in rebounds and assists when MJ is a SG therefore distributing the ball is not his role... Its scoring. While in rebounds obviously lebum is a small forward so he should rebound more being the "bigger" player as they say... And assists, lebum should have more coz he holds the ball too much, being his teams point forward. Being the G.O.A.T only has 2 qualities... The player should be great at scoring and at the same be as great in defense... Other stats are there for the other teammates to accomplish. Lebum is nowhere near MJ, not even better than LARRY LEGEND LOL End of debate... If there was one. Smh

[@daygrindmike8913]

Spot on bro MJ is goat even Bird was better than Lebron.

[@davidg7283]

Thank you, it's nice to read a comment that is true.

[@feetyeetmeetfeetyeetmeet1266]

Your soooooo right

[@donmiguelarkanghel9537]

this is the best argument ive seen by far.