The REAL Reason Why People Don't Want To Work Anymore

[@ALifeAfterLayoff]

The reason most people feel stuck in their careers is a lack of strategy. I've created a detailed step-by-step guide on how to implement a concise career strategy: a-life-after-layoff.teachable.com/p/the-ultimate-career-blueprint

[@nicholausbuthmann1421]

Pushing "UNION'S" for BOTH BLUE & WHITE COLLAR JOBS alike across the board would be a good start. ON ALL CONTINENTS !

[@pamgodsoe9076]

I got your resume rocket fuel, completely redid my resume and LinkedIn profile

[@returningtoperfection]

This is probably bound to fail.

[@AnonymousSquirrel123]

*Inflation has reached a point where we can't eat. We have been living on pork for years now, since it was cheap (around $1-$2/pound), but yesterday it tripled to $5.50! That's a slice big enough for two people for one day.FIVE FIFTY??? We are being screwed at every turn. And it's clearly going to get a LOT worse.*

[@905JimRaynor]

@@AnonymousSquirrel123 my wife grows vegetables in her garden. I catch my own salmon. I also hunt. During certain times I can reach into the Port Credit River and pull a 20 lb salmon right out of the water. Anyone paying $20 for Salmon is out of their minds. I get it for free. I acquire the meat. My wife acquires the vegetables. We get what little else we need at the grocery store. Quit relying on corporations for food.

[@oneillbilder]

The recession is here, where do investors look at for wealth gains now? mortgage rates still on the rise with higher imports and lower exports, yet the Fed is to lessen cost. Something will eventually break if they keep raising interests and quantitative tightening.

[@philipr1759]

if you want to hold on to cash, put it in a safe deposit box, if you want assets, buy things people need in a shtf society, food, ammo, wood, water filters, tools, have a skill at building and fixing

[@DavidRiggs-dc7jk]

when we go into recession, tech will do poorly as a sector considering what's going on in the world, while defense stocks should be doing good, but always do your own research, or speak to a valid advisor before investing your money

[@HarrietBemish]

Agreed, I've always delegated my excesses to a pro, ever since suffering portfolio steep-down amid covid-19 outbreak. As of today, I'm semi-retired with barely 25% short of my $1m retirement goal after subsequent investments, and only work 7.5 hours a week.

[@EllenAbrex]

truly appreciate the implementation of ideas and strategies that result to unmeasurable progress, thus the search for a reputable advisor, mind sharing info of this person guiding you please?

[@HarrietBemish]

My CFA Vivian Jean Wilhelm, a renowned figure in her line of work. I recommend researching her credentials further. She has many years of experience and is a valuable resource for anyone looking to navigate the financial market.

[@tonysilke]

A job honestly doesn’t gives you the time, space and opportunity to chase your dreams and achieve your goals. From personal experience i can tell you working a serious job is modern day slavery. they pay you a small amount for doing a significant amount of work and promises you promotion. Best advice make investments and take calculated risks that would guarantee your success.

[@mikeroper353]

Understanding personal finances and investing will most likely lead to greater financial independence. By being knowledgeable about money and investing, individuals can make informed decisions about how to save, spend, and invest their money.

[@PatrickLloyd-]

Investing Is more than reading quarterly reports. Learnt this from reading Peter Lynch's book. I believe there are people who do this for a living, and I just delegate the task to these professionals. That's how I make money from the market to be honest.

[@PhilipDunk]

I've been getting suggestions to use one, but where and how to find one has been challenging, Can i reach out to the one you use?

[@PatrickLloyd-]

Sharon Ann Meny is the licensed fiduciary I use. Just research the name. You’d find necessary details to work with a correspondence to set up an appointment..

[@PhilipDunk]

She appears to be well-educated and well-read. I ran a Google search for her name and came across her website; thank you for sharing.

[@nicholasrosen6342]

Bottom line: It's not that people "don't want to work anymore" - they don't want to be exploited and underpaid.

[@paulettemoore47]

That’s it!

[@pamgodsoe9076]

So true

[@ludvigbydal7812]

Very well said people don't want to be exploited. Meaning giving your life to the company for not worthy compensation.

[@Jupiterxice]

Mic Drop....................... the TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@rra7490]

💯

[@PianoDentist]

Loyalty in the workplace only goes one way. The worker is expected to be loyal to the company, but the company is not loyal to you - you're just a resource.

[@bjung8858]

I think people live for rewards like title, medals, and pats on the back. It doesn't matter who YOU are and want. Oh, you also get funny money to acquire objects that make you happy. If you survive you will be a Saint, or a Sir ( like in England ), or a billionaire.

[@nightmareTomek]

@@bjung8858 tf?

[@henrybarnes2678]

A human resource :(

[@xtrwombat4876]

I don't want to work anymore. The modern workforce is depressing.

[@TwoP-o8q]

Low wages, no benefits, no work/life balance, you're expected to do work of at least 3 to 4 people, you can get fired at any moment, yet some wonder why people don't want to go to work?

[@amacot656]

And i am sure getting the goverment financial help like the food stamp and other disability is a better pay than most job at this point. So, why go work if it's less advantagious?

[@HH-le1vi]

​@@amacot656the government help is basically nothing unless you have a ton of kids

[@zofiajaneczek184]

@@amacot656yes as a single person you get very little help, most states figure a way to kick you off assistance as there are work requirements in many states that you have to have in order to get medical insurance and food assistance! The state where I reside has both! If don’t have a bunch of kids, you’ll get nothing but a food pantry beyond 3 months. The state is set up to where even fewer get healthcare or Medicaid! The government doesn’t want to assist you if you’re poor, it wants you dead!

[@amacot656]

@@zofiajaneczek184 that bleak but thank you for the information.

[@j_p_stratorus211]

All of that is also why some companies are tying to incorporate more AI. Easier to get computers and robots to do the job. Most 9-5 jobs are meant for robots anyway.

[@WongWho]

You know what's the reward for working hard and staying late at the office? You get to do it again tomorrow!

[@maynnemillares]

Assuming you boss won't lay you off tomorrow.

[@BillClinton228]

But but but we are a family and we buy you pizza once a year... 🤣

[@f4ll3nzr0]

Or get laid off anyways.

[@Autotad]

And if you’re really good, they’ll give you even more work for the small possibility of raise in the next 3-5 years!

[@drew9073]

That's true! I use to do that back then when i got my first job. I was so used to college life on where when you get your work done early you get to chill and have extra time to do other stuff. Boy, i was wrong their expectation from me was so high because they saw me get things done early and whenever thing get delayed they put me on PIP. Never again!

[@charlesdavis1080]

The problem is that employees are regarded as an expense rather than an asset. They are not willing to invest in their people, but they expect you to invest in them. They expect you to be loyal to them, but they have no loyalty to you. They regard you as expendable and easily replaceable. They feel you should be grateful to even have a job.

[@marikothecheetah9342]

Human resource. Just like water, wood, metal parts... A resource.

[@anamirilovic9300]

@@marikothecheetah9342 Human resources, I hate that phrase so much. Like we are worse than slaves.

[@marikothecheetah9342]

@@anamirilovic9300 yup, a thing to use, when needed. :/ It has been proven, that language impacts how people see other people, the Hutu Tutsi conflict being one of those examples. :/

[@billyehh]

It was over when the defined benefit pension was abandoned.

[@softhotty]

Well said. I just quit my job of 15 years and you described why right here.

[@leondonald]

The primary reason most people invest in stocks is the potential return compared to alternatives such as bank certificates of deposit, gold, and Treasury bonds. For example, the average stock market return has been about 10% annually since 1926; long-term government bonds have returned 5% to 6% annually during the same period.

[@DavidRiggs-dc7jk]

Stock market's returns often significantly outpace the rate of inflation. For example, the long-term inflation rate has run about 3.1% annually since 1913. That compares to a double-digit annual return from stocks. Stocks have been a good way to hedge against inflation.

[@HarrietBemish]

Many companies pay dividends, or a portion of their profits, to investors. The majority make quarterly dividend payments, although some companies pay monthly dividends. Dividend income can help supplement an investor's paycheck or retirement income.

[@EllenAbrex]

A share of stock represents fractional ownership of a company. You can own a tiny slice of a company whose products or services you love.

[@HarrietBemish]

Personally, I've stuck with Vivian Jean Wilhelm and her performance has been consistently impressive. You can confirm her basic info on the internet, she's quite known in her field with over 15yrs of experience.

[@shamrock241r8]

@@DavidRiggs-dc7jk 3.1% ??? You been to the grocery store lately? I was paying $1.98 per gal. of gas in 2019. Fast forward to 2024 $3.50 gal. I SAY AGAIN 3.1 %%%%%%% SMH.

[@Aieshoo]

The reward I got for working hard was a layoff.

[@Patrice11300]

Ditto

[@LittleKitty22]

Same here.

[@MonsterJuiced]

So what they don't tell you is that businesses change their models and plans regularly which means they won't need the staff anymore, or they have to remove high paid staff to replace them with cheap ones straight out of school. If the rule was that if you work hard you get promotions and you're secure, then how do they remove or replace staff if everyone is working hard? Schools, colleges and universities constantly forget to teach the realities of the world and they're failing people all the time by not arming them with any wisdom to help them stay grounded and have a plan just incase things go bad

[@olencone4005]

@@MonsterJuiced Yep, a printshop I once worked at did exactly that -- they decided to reduce headcount to lower their operating costs, so they fired the most highly paid person on staff, the guy who single-handedly was the entire finishing and large-print department. They figured the press operators and other production staff could easily cover his job. Annnd... we very quickly fell behind schedule, because the other staff just didn't have enough time in their day to do it all, and none of them were as good at it as this guy had been. We were a solid month behind schedule, and well on our way to two -- so, to keep our customers from complaining, they started sending stuff out to a vendor... who charged over four times what it cost us inhouse. Our manager tried to maintain this particular level of financial fail for a year before he finally reached out to the former employer to see if they would come back -- and he did... with a nice comfortable raise :P And despite all the regular "team loyalty" hoo-rah, everyone there saw with crystal clarity just how one-way that loyalty was, and how disposable we all were to management.

[@HungerSTR1KE]

Yep, same here.

[@GentlRebel]

I’m Gen X and have been grinding away at my career for longer than I care to admit. I put my health and sanity in jeopardy for too many years with 65+ hour weeks. Last year a colleague died in their sleep. And you know what happened? Nothing. Literally, nothing. Barely a word was spoken about this person. I was shocked, as this was a kind and good person to work with. But it was as if they never existed. This freaked me out. I could no longer deny that I am simply not important to any organization. Now I am working hard to break years of bad habits and to prioritize myself and my family first and foremost and keep my job in perspective.

[@goro9942]

You're not alone brother. No more.

[@2309desertrose]

It’s very scary how much time is devoted to a job only to be disregarded when you’re no longer here. I agree with keeping work in perspective

[@SoulfulVeg]

Two guys committed suicide after layoffs in 2008. Management never said a word. I use to work so hard, but now I do my 40 and bounce. I'm mad that I gave these people so much free labor, but we were socialized that way.

[@meganstanley5589]

Two years ago a colleague had a cardiac arrest. A low level manager did CPR until paramedics could get there. He was pronounced dead at the hospital, at 34 years old. It BLEW my mind how quickly everyone moved on. The store was back to normal operations after he was taken away in the ambulance, as if nothing had happened. But his family was devastated. His father came into the store a few days after his son’s death, I could see the sadness in his eyes…And his father died almost exactly 2 months after his son. Since obituaries stay up for a while on a funeral home’s webpage, they were on the same obituary list. I have never thought of “work” the same way again. I’m still pretty young too.🫤

[@craigkennedy5328]

Sad but important story. Thanks for sharing. Realised the same a few years ago in early 50s. You’re soon forgotten and the work you had proudly done isn’t long disregarded after you leave. I’m semi-retired Gen X, with very different priorities now. Time, family, health and interests are more important to me than work by miles. It was the other way around for far too long.

[@Jenjenn1111]

People are tired of working hard and getting nowhere. Not to mention the hoops you have to jump through for a job you really don’t even want in the first place. Even if you do get the job, then you have to deal with being overworked, unappreciated, nepotism, workplace narcissism and abuse. All that, just so we can live in a system where we HAVE to work for a place to live and food to eat (basic necessities). Employers take advantage of employees because we are in a position where we need a job to survive. It’s an abusive relationship in most cases!

[@teneshiadavis6039]

Well said. I can relate to exactly what you mentioned.

[@rejectionistmanifesto8836]

The only solution is for BILLIONS of young people to REFUSE HAVING KIDS (who will become wage slaves) and REFUSE ROMANTIC RELATIONSHIPS (endless debt)

[@shanecash7257]

@@rejectionistmanifesto8836 This is by far the best solution that I have read in a very long time. Well said!

[@yesterdayingaming]

This is why a farming society is spiritually sustainable. You can at least choose not to socialize to feed yourself. If you’re raised with the proper education, you’ll be able to live independently. You won’t have to sell your soul.

[@schuylergeery-zink1923]

People do have to labor to grow food and build houses, chop wood for a wood burning stove or invest in other sources of energy. Someone has to invest their time and energy into producing something. But the question is, what is the value of what the empower is asking me to produce to them? On a free market there’s a reasonable exchange of money for labor/product/service. When people aren’t willing to pay for it, then prices come down. Simple supply and demand. So if I can grow most of my veg and fruit myself and eggs with backyard chickens, then I’m no longer going to pay for those items in the store. If I can limp by repairing my 2006 Prius and 2004 CRV, and own them outright and I’m not willing to purchase a new vehicle, if enough people do that eventually prices must come down. If I’m not willing to work a crap job for scraps, eventually the salary and benefits and working conditions must go up. Of course people complain bc they’re the ones who are offering low balls to workers. You reap what you sow.

[@Weldingartifact]

I worked in a welding fabrication shop making $15 an hour with 15 years experience. I asked for 3$ an hour raise so i would at least make the low end of the national average. Gave 6 months notice. For the next six months all i heard from the boss was how expensive the lowering kit on his new mustang cost, the new wheels and tires for his new mustang cost, how much the custom exhaust on hos mustang cost. I couldn't afford to put new tires on my 20 year old pick up truck i used to get to his shit job. I eventually did leave and went back to say hello to a couple of the people who worked there that i liked and the owner asked " why did you leave? We always congratulated you every time you did a good job.". It took them three people to replace me with all my skill sets i took with me when i left.

[@jamesgardner2101]

6 months? You're a better man than I.

[@Weldingartifact]

@@jamesgardner2101 I liked the people i was working with.

[@siangmingalexlau8220]

That was an expensive boss with a cheap attitude.

[@SuperHappyAmazingFunTime]

I don't want to work FOR anyone anymore because of incompetent leadership and a toxic workplace. It's soul crushing.

[@bobbarker1798]

Absolutely!

[@AshtasticAcrobat]

I feel you!!

[@alanroberts6918]

Cry baby!

[@donm2067]

@@alanroberts6918 I literally almost cried last night because of my shitty work place. I've endured incompetent bosses and work mates for over 4 years, covid made everyone re started and now everyone wants to bicker everything, especially gen x/boomers. It's so soul crushing.

[@keithakers5871]

@@SuperHappyAmazingFunTime Same here! Been a literal nightmare! There's got to be a better way.

[@austinbar]

I am in my early 60s and retired at 53. Lots of people gave me pushback because they had difficulty grasping the concept of not working if you don’t have to. I looked at my life as stages. I earned everything I have now through a lot of hard work, but I owe it to myself to “stop and smell the roses” in my final stage of life. In my case I left the country after I retired and live in Latin America. It allowed me to get away from all the negative things happening in America while appreciating my new environment. I have yet to meet anyone who regrets retirement.

[@eloign7147]

Nice way to retire. For me, I believe retirees who struggle to meet their basic needs are the ones who could not accumulate enough money during their active years to meet their needs. Retirement choices determine a lot of things. My wife and I both spent same number of years in the civil service, she invested through a wealth manager and myself through the 401k. We both still earning after our retirement.

[@joshbarney114]

This is true. I'm in my mid 40's now. My wife and I were following this same trajectory. Last two years, I pulled out my money and invested with her wealth manager. Not catching up with her profits over the years, but at least I earn more. I'm making money even before retiring, and my retirement fund has grown way more than it would have with just the 401(k). Haha.

[@rogerwheelers4322]

It's unfortunate most people don't have such information. I don't really blame people who panic. Lack of information can be a big hurdle. I've been making more than a million dollars by just investing through an advisor, and I don't have to do much work. Doesn't matter if the economy is misbehaving; great wealth managers will always make returns.

[@FabioOdelega876]

I think this is something I should do, but I've been stalling for a long time now. I don't really know which firm to work with; I feel they are all the same but it seems you’ve got it all worked out with the firm you work with so i surely wouldn’t mind a recommendation.

[@rogerwheelers4322]

I definitely share your sentiment about these firms. Finding financial advisors like Marisa Breton Dollard who can assist you shape your portfolio would be a very creative option. There will be difficult times ahead, and prudent personal money management will be essential to navigating them.

[@grzesiekkozdroj5567]

My dad taught me to work hard, I mean really hard, 17 years later I've learned my own lessons: 1. Showing skills get punished with more responsobility at no pay increase 2. Working efficiently will reward you with more work at no pay increase 3. Staying late and coming early every day will cause boss to expect you will always do it pro bono and get called out if you refuse 4. Pointing out hazardous work enviroment gets you sacked Whereas if satying lazy will mean: 1. Less responsibilities 2. Less workload 3. Shorter working hours At the same pay, which won't be enough to buy into dignifying life anyway

[@rm3141593]

@@grzesiekkozdroj5567 Spot on! My dad & grandpa always said work hard, but I have come to the same conclusions as you. Quite sad.

[@danielpetrucci8952]

You described my old Airport Job in a Nut Shell lol 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@vilefly]

Learned this the hard way from 16-18yrs old. Made me furious. These rules apply definitely in the corporate world. At 26, I managed to escape the corporate world, and went independent to discover it is not so with an independent employer. Been relatively happy for 28yrs since.

[@TempermentalTart]

@@vileflyif you don’t mind, what is it that you do?

[@vilefly]

@@TempermentalTart Certified master mechanic.

[@Itll_do_food_forest]

I was hired on at dominoes as a delivery driver. When i started the job they said”ok now we need to cross train you as a cook” i said “ does that pay more”? They said “no, everyone gets cross trained” i replied “ not me, im paid to be a driver”! We went back and forth for about a month before i told them one last time! I was hired as a delivery driver, not a cook. Then i walked out! Even the franchise owner was trying to get me to do other peoples jobs! “We need someone to do the dishes” so… hire a dishwasher!

[@DennisDuda]

I understand your point of view, but being trained as a cook could also be seen as an opportunity. It is always worthwhile to learn new skills which can be used in the future.

[@Itll_do_food_forest]

@@DennisDuda i have been a cook my whole life at resorts bro. Dominoes couldnt teach me anything i dont already know.

[@priyojitchatterjee6164]

@@Itll_do_food_forest cook to delivery driver? sounds like a downgrade doesn't it?

[@Itll_do_food_forest]

@@priyojitchatterjee6164 im tired of working hard! You could call it a downgrade, or a safety of sanity. Either way.

[@notsofatmike1]

@@DennisDuda Spoken like a true company lap dog.

[@SoulfulVeg]

I'm an older worker. I've been through so many downturns. But, this feels different. I'm actually worried for the 1st time. It's not just the layoffs, it's the cost of living, wars, the election, lack of civility, completely cut throat CEOs, and general chaos that is literally giving me heartburn everyday.

[@johnsmith1953x]

Trump ruined EVERYTHING.

[@genreartwithjb5095]

I’m with you on the lack of civility. There was this understanding when I was growing up in the 80s and 90s that we are part of a society even if the adults at that time foolishly voted for trickle down economics we were still enjoying the hangover of the New Deal - deregulation hadn’t really had time to take root yet and times were good. As a kid I saw how my parents could take off when they wanted, work more on their terms and were paid not great but enough to have a house and a vacation every once in a while. My dad did get laid off but pivoted to a govt job and finished out there the back end of his entire career. People were just kinder to each other and this showed in every facet of society. Today people treat each other in person the way people treat each other on the internet. It is unsettling

[@johnsmith1953x]

@@genreartwithjb5095 Because everyone is under stress: no money, no house, no safety, crooked cops, everything is taxed. None of this existed in the 1930s-to-1980s. It all get bad Reagan and got worse with each Republican. MAGA is a whole new level of total destruction of the fabric of the USA.

[@SoulfulVeg]

@@genreartwithjb5095 you captured it perfectly.

[@marvelmusic4566]

It feels different because y we may lose everything if stupid Americans vote for the First American Democrat and this country goes to hell in a hand basket. No Social Security for YOU. I feel you. I'm fortunate, at least for today. It could all change on a dime tomorrow. I believe that's the unease you and I are feeling. Our foundation is crumbling under us and we're aware of it. Like an ocean is eroding our safety dunes, wave by wave.

[@Life-Brutal-Truths]

Being a hard worker doesn't get you to the top.

[@Seattle-2017]

As a worker, I don't think anything gets you to the top. It's about getting to where you want to be. And that takes thinking about yourself first at all times, not the company.

[@elwoodblues9613]

What gets you to the next higher level is being the best brown-noser and not being a white male.

[@deassfgh7807]

what I've seen is favoritism in every company iv worked for. It is never the hard workers. They are all clickey.

[@janem3575]

it only gets more work dumped on your desk, then told you're not meeting expectations

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

​@@janem3575 correct. Or a mgr, employer finds ticky tacky nonsense to grip about. Or a mgr, supervisor gets removed & the owners/CEO wants to redo the schedules, posts.

[@spoddie]

I learned a very important lesson when I was young. When I was at high school, my father was a mid level manager is an established company with a pension scheme. The company was subject to a hostile takeover, the company was ransacked and he was retrenched. I thought my first job at a bank was the job for life but it went bankrupt and I had to move interstate. By age 25 I knew that no company cared about me.

[@tonyherdina9142]

I learned a long time ago, never trust your employer.

[@mattvarner5825]

That's brutal for your family I'm sorry y'all ended up in that situation. Hope you're doing well now despite it

[@WMDistraction]

My dad got penalized for a couple minor prescription errors while I was in high school - had to spend a full week in “remedial training” at HQ away from his family - while his boss’s wife (WHO SENT HIM THERE) continued to get away with illegally filling prescriptions for narcotics she was going to either use herself or sell off. My mom’s boss threatened her by saying she should “watch her back” and implied he’d hurt her family if she exposed a narcotics scheme within the police department. It took a SWAT fuck up that killed at least two for the guy to get caught many years later. I had a promotion that was discussed over a period of 12 months ripped out from under me over a weekend cuz they found someone at a job fair. It’s taken me 5 years and 2 additional degrees to get a slightly better promotion elsewhere. My sister got passed over for a promotion cuz some meathead the company liked wanted it. She left and came back to the same company two years later with an even higher position cuz, turns out, hiring unqualified schmucks for management is a poor decision. Employers can get fucked is what I’m saying.

[@istvantoth7431]

Good man. I figured the same out by my mid-30s, unfortunately.

[@JoseLopez-tk4tq]

"But we value our workers like family and team members!" ~ Typical corporate slogan 😂😆🤣

[@TheStaticGod]

As a plumber who just got into a labor union. I really lucked out, I almost cried when I was told I’ll be making over six figures in 5 years and get a pension for retirement that adjust to inflation. Keep fighting out there guys

[@5thhorseman982]

And you're worth every penny. 60% of people are typing on a keyboard and "consulting".

[@ValenceFlux]

Five years in an apprenticeship ruined my life and body and I never qualified to graduate into the union. Some of those guys would say you can't just be a plumber or electrician. You have to also have several other job titles to bring value to the Union you want to join. I shouldered material for some of those jackwagons and they want the salt from my soul and it still wasn't enough!!!! BS!

[@KabbaModern03]

Greed is destroying everything.

[@rustym.shackelford5546]

Seems people took the Gordon Gecko quote a little too seriously... GREED is f***ing evil.

[@bblauter]

Greed has been around as long as man, it’s not something new.

[@divermike8943]

​​ @bblauter Yes but not so long ago there seemed to be more penchant to treat workers with more respect, more humanity. Companies wanted to avoid a bad reputation of hiring & firing. Now those concerns don't seem to matter at more & more places. Over hiring used to be a concern so that layoffs wouldn't be inevitable. Staffing rarely includes the goal of steady employment anymore.

[@SweetStuffOnMonarchLane]

​@@divermike8943 Maybe it's because smaller private companies are being replaced by publicly traded corporations? That would be my guess. It's easier for a company owner to treat employees like crap when they live in a high-rise out of state than it is when they live in the same town and might run into them at the local grocery store.

[@vmj255]

@@divermike8943you should probably do a little research on the history of corporations before making such a claim. This has been going on since forever, but it seems that nobody taught you about it in school. And now we have 2-3 generations of people who have claimed perpetual victimhood, thinking they’re the only people in history who have had to put up with low pay, demanding bosses and lack of appreciation. And you think that incessant whining about how much your life sucks is going to change human nature or is going to change the way business is done. Here’s a hint: it’s not.

[@gpend456]

"Why did you choose to apply for this position?" "because it was open and my skills match"

[@komlat253]

Haha😂

[@thirsty3333]

I had an argument with my hiring manager dunno why he hired me but we cool now lol 😂 but that’s basically what I said to him in interview

[@Jenjenn1111]

“Because I need a job to survive in this capitalist system and you were hiring. Sure wasn’t cause I wanted to.”

[@goro9942]

Pretty passionate about things like food and a roof.

[@dominicstokes8662]

Yes that's it how did you know

[@RovanRS]

I'm 44 and I never WANTED to work. I work because i NEED to earn money.

[@Nunya_Bidness_53]

I wanted to work but doing what I loved which was art I did it for ten years but due to family trauma and personal problems I let my business die and never recovered.

[@TheRoland444]

@@Nunya_Bidness_53 When you do something for money, everything changes. NEVER conflate what you like to do with what you HAVE to do to survive & and avoid living in the streets, at the curb, in a cardboard box. NEVER conflate these two aspects. When money changes hand money becomes the prime object and the activity related thereto is merely a means towards that end. Also money as an intermediary allows exploitation to take place for the transaction to materialize by the persons involved or/and a third or fourth adjunct actually removed from the transaction in real time. Money is not inherently the problem but it is manipulated as a weapon against "working class" people by the predatory system as configured.

[@warmishcomet]

i don't mind work, but i like the physical side of it. I couldn't do 40hrs a week though, it's too much. I want time to enjoy my life too

[@LittlewoodSD]

Work adds structure to my life. I also hit the gym before work every day. I guarantee that all the people that say they don’t want to work, are obese or overweight.

[@Dogman262]

@@LittlewoodSDMaybe its because you're on testosterone replacement therapy?

[@AntonyBall-hm4jo]

UK comment - I was fortunate to be able to retire 2yrs ago at 62. I started work at 16, serving a 4yr apprenticeship in engineering (instrument controls) and worked in the Petro/Chem/Gases industries for 46yrs. In that 46yrs, I have seen senior management deteriorate in quality (and rule by fear), I have seen HR introduce so much crap just to appease shareholders (mission statements, anti corruption training etc... - all meaningless dross and wasted online training just to tick somebody elses 'goals/objectives'). For anybody old enough to remember Demmings goals of increasing production - one of the major ones was 'rule out fear' regarding your employees - if you don't, then people switch off and contribute little - we are now at that point. The younger generation have a different mindset, which I admire - the job isn't the be all and end all for them and don't appear to have misplaced loyalty like our generation had.

[@elorateq3672]

When I started there was a concept of company loyalty. That went out the window in the "greed is good" '80s. I also took early retirement, after one crap boss too many. Unlike many of my son's generation, I've been able to save up enough to do so (just). It was remarkably liberating being called into a meeting, when others around me were being laid off, to hand in my resignation (I probably should have held out to get the redundancy pay, but I wanted out early to look after my ailing mother).

[@SupraSav]

We can see the profit margins, we're not stupid. We see the earnings calls, the bonuses, the year end reports. We're not stupid, we just have less money - and many of us with decency aren't willing to do indecent, or dishonest things to get ahead. Add nepotism to this mix and there you have it.

[@Erik-the-Southern-Viking]

& Cronyism

[@UnitedCorporationsOfAmerica]

I spent 15 years working as a telecommunications network tech. I have a varied and long work history in multiple industries. I recently applied for a county job at the local landfill as a gate attendant. Today I received an email from HR stating I'm not qualified. To work at the dump sitting in a booth. Not qualified. This is the real economy.

[@tamjeanell]

Not qualified =over qualified

[@allisonwade4840]

The AI reading your application didn't see any buzzwords that matched your qualifications to the job posting.

[@marvelmusic4566]

Garbage is mafia owned. Didn't you know?

[@UnitedCorporationsOfAmerica]

@@marvelmusic4566 Not in California.

[@stevo728822]

Because you will leave the job within months for something better.

[@patrickhandley627]

It's not that nobody wants to work anymore it's that employers don't want to pay people for the value of their work.

[@Shoey77100]

work itself doesn't have value it's your knowledge, skill and reliability as an individual that makes YOU valuable, and that's what companies have lost sight in the effort to offend no one (and make profit) they have decided that a good employee and a bad in employee is the same, Corporate doesn't care who is a good employee and who isn't, or they judge by some ridiculous standard. people, even in low skill jobs, need to be prepared to tell these managers and bosses that they have choices, they work for money not loyalty and you get what you pay for. don't let them gaslight into thinking that they have done you some big favor by hiring you.

[@markanthony3275]

I was forty years old, and I had closed down a business because while people wanted my repair services, they didn't want to pay to have them. So what did I do, sit there hand wringing and moping? No...I packed up my belongings and I travelled to where the work was...at a mine in the northern part of Canada. Twenty four years on I own two houses, one of them brand new...both paid for. I spoke to people I knew in the city I left behind about working up north, and people just turned up their noses because they couldn't leave the city life. Get into the basic industries, get out of retail sales, middle management and IT services.The day they stop mining precious and base metals, or stop producing fossil fuels is the day civilization ends.

[@cheeks7050]

@@Shoey77100 i d i o t

[@LyraStitchery]

I used to work for Walmart. You could cross train to learn different departments and possibly get promoted to a higher paying position. Say working the floor to being a cashier. The problem was you would get pulled on off the floor and get put on a register. They would leave you there all day. Then you would get in trouble because your primary job was not completed. It didn’t matter that they wouldn't let you leave the register. It turned into whenever we had a new hire all the veteran employees would discourage them from cross-training. Because no one ever got promoted to the higher position and you got in trouble if your own work was not finished. Not to mention the company was saving money because cashiers were paid 40 cents more an hour than if you worked the floor. So if they could get a floor person to cashier they are paying floor rate for cashier work and they don't habe to hire a cashier.

[@meropale]

Loyalty is definitely not rewarded as it used to be.

[@travis1240]

Yes - loyalty is dead. If an employer will not be loyal to the employee, it makes no sense for the employee to be loyal to the employer.

[@ianbrowning7437]

It has been replaced by politics and sucking up

[@bronwankhan3323]

In the modern working environment, loyalty doesn't exist anymore!

[@karenpage5674]

@@ianbrowning7437that has always been around

[@WageSlave_13]

It was never rewarded.

[@nicholasrosen6342]

Management has been complaining that "nobody wants to work anymore" since the construction of the Pyramids 3000 years ago.

[@benosborne1752]

only thing to point out is the Pyramids were built 4500 years ago (approx) ...but there are documents from the Bronze age collapse (circa 1200 BC) that are pretty similar to no one wants to work anymore ...

[@ringsaphire]

That's a legend, they debunked that some time ago, the egyptian farmers and craftsmen at the time had a very good work life it was te peak of Egyptian abundance era, they were not overworked, nor over populated nor over taxed as later by the romans, and building the pyramids was not work but voluntary worship occupation in the low season - we have our summer vacations instead nowadays. Without that level of personnal dedication, the end results would not have lasted millenia, they'd have collapsed long ago due to faulty conceptions, cheap designs and cheaper / worse construction.

[@mecanuktutorials6476]

@@ringsaphire​​⁠but weren’t the pyramids built through slave labour? That’s what I had always heard. Though that itself could be a misconception from Stargate Atlantis

[@Dan-n5h9m]

Those slaves in Egypt really...really didn't want to work tho. Can't blame em

[@boskey10]

You know difference between the Pyramids and the Empire state Building? UNIONS.

[@danielschein6845]

I started my career in the 90s. 30 years ago layoffs were already the norm and internal promotions were a last resort if they couldn’t find a good manager candidate on the outside. Yet people back then were acting shocked that “kids these days” had no loyalty and would quit a job to look for greener pastures. What’s interesting about videos like this is not the behavior of 20 something professionals. What’s interesting is that after all these years there are still people out there who feign (or genuinely feel) shock over lack of employee loyalty. The game changed a long time ago.

[@pinkposey8134]

100%

[@subhobroto]

True. The reason why these discussions are happening right now is because hiring became difficult after 2010 due to the zerp environment. Good employees were hard to get as companies were hoarding employees. The only people complaining were those who weren't very good so no one paid attention to them. Now that zerp is behind us, good employees are back on the market and complaining as well. That's catching attention

[@MKrealife]

Glad I'm not the only one who feels like things have been screwed for decades. I started working in 1991

[@rustym.shackelford5546]

No Loyalty = No Workers Pretty simple equation that anyone could understand, yet, most higher level executives in a Company doesn't understand.

[@jonr9574]

It’s a perception bias. Same story different time 😂

[@NYRyder1983]

Salary isn't high enough, no benefits, lack of room for career growth, unappreciated, no recognition.

[@jayleeper1512]

After 34 years at the same job I got hurt on the job due to another worker’s negligence. When the company found out I would need multiple surgeries to be well again, I was immediately fired and Workman’s Comp denied the claim. I spent a fortune getting my surgeries on my own and am permanently disabled and trying to live on $970 a month Social Security. That is what you get in America for working hard and supporting your company.

[@maam-yj8ph]

@@jayleeper1512 which industry if you're open to sharing that? If not, understandable.

[@jayleeper1512]

@@maam-yj8ph I was a professional ski patroller. I worked in outdoor EMS and avalanche control work. There is a volunteer patrol system which is a totally different deal. They can’t handle explosives and don’t have the medical credentials I had so I was a full time paid professional. It actually is one of the most dangerous jobs there is but traditionally very low paid with no benefits.

[@oksanazivere1414]

So sorry to hear that… a lot of love to you ❤

[@Donaschlag]

People are tired of being mistreated, taken advantaged of, overworked that often leads to burnout, physical & mental health problems. In the eyes of management, we are just a number and easily disposable. With such low morale, it makes sense that people don’t want to work anymore especially for employers who do not respect their workers. My workplace has high turnover because of bad management.

[@rustym.shackelford5546]

I used to work at Taco Bell and I learned that the turnover rate was 150%...

[@Donaschlag]

@@rustym.shackelford5546 wow that's very high. A red flag that indicates management issues.

[@TraciWatson-x6c]

Very different from when my parents worked. Loyalty is gone because of corporate culture of greed.

[@solarpoweredheart47]

I think I was still able to witness bosses actually caring about their employees. My father's boss went out of her way one morning to withdraw money from her personal account (I think there were not many ATMs then). After that, she gave the money to my father to help him buy me books because the school year was about to start. My father didn't ask for the money. His boss just asked him how I was and told her that I was about to start school. My father didn't expect his boss to do that. By the way, the money was a loan but "payable when able" - if cannot pay, then don't. My father was already in his 20th year in the company then so I guess that speaks of how he was valued. When his boss retired less than five years after that, she asked for me to see her to personally say goodbye. I think I was just 10 then. But when it was my turn to work, I saw and experienced a different world. In all of the companies I've worked for, the bosses are of the same age as my father but they were all about to retire. And they were grooming their children or whoever in the company was next in line to take over. I hate being judgmental but seeing the attitude of the would-be replacements, I was able to say to myself "I think I will not survive the workplace anymore." Not generalizing though. Just sharing what I experienced first-hand.

[@jazzlover10000]

Loyalty was available for some, not to others. The post-war era was really tough.

[@shwicksdad]

I pulled the plug as soon as I was able to pull on my retirement money. I was fortunate I could do that. I decided I had enough of bad, irresponsible management. Too many times I was told to do things contrary to company policy. When I declined I was told to do it or be suspended without pay. When I did it because I really had no choice, and whatever it was blew up in their faces, I was the one called on the carpet for doing it, being told that I knew better. When I would say that my support directed me to do it, I would be told things like, "If your supervisor told you to rob a bank, would you do it?" I got sick of management that would take no responsibility for anything they did and were never disciplined for their own actions.

[@Seydaschu]

Nobody WANTS to work, they need to because that's where money comes from, and we need money to live. If you don't offer living wage, then you aren't offering what we're seeking.

[@Dexter01992]

This. If one works full time but can't afford even primary expenses, that job is simply a waste of their time.

[@robertarnold6672]

Well maybe people need to be more motivated to learn the skills in order to get those jobs that pay a livable wage. The skilled trades are a great path to a better life.

[@jazzlover10000]

Most people in California don't need to work. We work because we want to.

[@sparhawk2195]

@@jazzlover10000 haha no that is wrong. Most people in California work because we have to. It's one of if not the most expensive state to live in. You are required to have multiple jobs or have 8 room mates to make ends meet. Reality is slave labor.

[@jazzlover10000]

@@sparhawk2195 It's only expensive if you make it expensive. I have a lake property it is cheap out here and we are close to two major metropolii. $200k homes if you don't mind not living lakefront. It's the easy life and you don't pay additional retirement taxes here. We live well and it doesn't cost much. You PAY a lot because you choose to live in a place in California where you PAY a lot. That is your choice ok? Get out and look around get off your butt and don't be lazy and you will find a great place to live.

[@ReceptiveKing93]

I was a manager at a small grocery store. The store manager complained “no body wants to work”. They we’re paying cashiers barrel of the bottom at minimum wage. I told him other retailers are giving a little above minimum wage and reasonable benefits, until you’re willing to offer that you’re gonna have people go through your company like a revolving door. The advice still falls on def ears 😂

[@Seattle-2017]

Boss: "Yeah, I don't wanna hear it!" OK boss, I quit too. Boss: "Now wait a minute! We've got a pizza party on Friday!!!"

[@ReceptiveKing93]

@@Seattle-2017 🤣🤣

[@marvelmusic4566]

I'll never understand why cashiers can't so much as perch on chair.

[@maryfields1382]

You get the level of loyalty you pay for.

[@juliaorpheus]

@@Seattle-2017 UGHHHH!!!! The pizza parties 😩

[@venomnbk3326]

1 Almost no jobs pay enough to own a house 2 No advancement opportunities 3 Lazy people get rewarded 4 Workplace bullies 5 You can get fired at anytime 6 Retirement is a pipe dream 7 Rampant nepotism 8 Unrealistic demands 9 The harder you work, the more you get screwed over 10 Inflation out paces your raises 11 You will be doing the work of multiple people, without a pay increase 12 Those rewards they tell you about, never materialize 13 Every day blurs together 14 Work makes you feel alone, even when you are near other people

[@gardenjoy5223]

Good start. May I add a really important one? Work makes you ill! It wrecks your health and then ditches you.

[@bjung8858]

My father paid off his house just before her retired

[@gardenjoy5223]

@@bjung8858 Something the former generation still could do. Start somewhere and then pay if off over time. But where to young people start nowadays? In more and more areas housing truly is ridiculously expensive.

[@JeyDotC]

@@gardenjoy5223 the housing market looks like that time when the Play Station 5 launched, a bunch of scalpers bought them all to re-sell them for ridiculous prices, just that this time are large entities and boomers who hoard the houses for that very same purpose 😬

[@Sharon-IsRidingHot]

@@bjung8858 The American Dream, the Australian Dream of owning your own home was always bs. The business world and your government want you to get a mortgage so you will be in debt. Debt makes workers more compliant, keeps you working for the economy, and makes it very difficult for you to tell your boss to get fcked. When I was young a mortgage took about 25 years to pay off, that's 25 years of a good compliant citizen. Today people have to work just so they can rent let alone get a home deposit and get a mortgage. The government knows this and is happy with it so they don't have to solve the housing crisis, most people don't want to be homeless so they will work just to pay rent these days. lol People need to change the way they think about the toxic culture they live in that these days only works against its citizens. I no longer feel any pride, sense of belonging, gratitude, attachment or commitment to my country Australia, there is no Aussie spirit or ANZAC spirit anymore. I am ex armed forces too.

[@johnobrien8773]

Al Bundy was supposed to be a loser but he owned a home, raised two kids, and his wife didn't have to work. Despite only having a high school education I only remember him having that one job over a decade. He quit and they welcomed him back when things didn't work out. Things have certainly changed.

[@FOHguy]

You're going to base your point on a fictional comedy show?😂

[@Theman26642]

Work in tech. Early 30s. Been laid off 3 times since 2015. Job market hasn’t been worse since 2009 for white collar workers. Used to easily get interviews and advance to final rounds. It’s brutal out there.

[@hotrodhunk7389]

I just got certified for Comp TIA and a bunch of coding boot camps. Did 600 applications with zero response back... Then I did some research and found out people with 5 plus years of experience are getting the same results... I don't know I don't see the point and continuing to study and get more certifications if it looks like it's very likely AI will replace at least a large percentage of the low end IT workers.

[@chuckles2040]

@@hotrodhunk7389 that's not going to get a job in IT even if the job market is strong. Who cares about Comp TIA? coding bootcamps are a scam to extract your wealth to a failed developer. right now you are competing against people with 20-30 years for the mid/sr level positions. Ageism is a HUGE problem.

[@novousabbott4926]

​@@hotrodhunk7389I have a few CompTIA, Microsoft certs, and government certs and it is absolutely crickets from job applications. 🥲 It's affecting everyone in tech unfortunately

[@SurpriseMeJT]

@@hotrodhunk7389 I work in IT and have for years. It's an industry that relies mainly on employment to larger organizations of which you're always at the mercy of. If I had to go back, I may have learned a trade instead. I might do that anyways to get out of tech.

[@ianwilliams6013]

I'm sorry, certifications with 0 experience in this economy will not get you a job, unfortunately.

[@AshJae]

People are fucking cruel and toxic. That’s why

[@astrongfront5311]

Tell it like it is! 👊🏾

[@outwestexplorer1966]

Amen

[@rope435]

@@patrick-ip4yf Exhibit A

[@Ravenelvenlady]

@rope435 Absolutely! The cruel scum come out of the woodwork to prove the point! 😂😂😂Their gaslighting will NEVER work anymore!

[@Professor__S]

Come on kids. All you got to do is pull up your bootstraps, work 12 hour days 6 days a week, don't buy anything like clothes and food and you'll be rich in no time.. 😂

[@ryorai5804]

"no body wants to work anymore" Me constantly putting out applications that go unanswered: "..."

[@mysterygirl5291]

Me too….too many fake jobs and no real ones available

[@ericschulze5641]

If your well qualified your NOT getting hired

[@omegamale7880]

It's your fault that they don't answer, cuz you don't wanna work.

[@jacktheripper7935]

You have no idea how much I relate to this...

[@buttslappingpirate]

For the first six months of 2022, I applied for 212 jobs, 108 locally, 106 online. Four local employers answered, two of them turned out to be ran by sociopathic Boomer owners who were simply toying with me over the space of a few months, and the other two actually hired me...only to discover that the jobs I signed up for were actually bait-and-switch scams, and the moment I showed up, I was shown what I would really be doing. The 106 online jobs I applied for? Most turned out to be ghost jobs that didn't exist, and one employer finally returned a message to me...five months later, telling me that I didn't get the job, gee, I kinda suspected that I didn't get it, but it took me about a day to remember who it was. I ended up taking a crappy-paying job with my spouse, with the option to try to find something else along the way. Two years later...I'm still there, hundreds more applications unanswered as I suspect I'm being aged out of employment for much-younger workers who are too stupid to know any better, working for Boomer owners and managers who should know better.

[@thelastboomer9088]

Very few builders actually build “starter homes” these days; they build 2,000+ sq ft homes with at least 3 bedrooms and then the buyers want upgrades. Our youngest is wanting to buy a home and she complains everything is unaffordable but when he send her listings she could afford, she turns her nose up.

[@AbaWhite2021]

In my area they're tearing down all the "cottage" homes & putting up monster houses for over a mil. They sit empty for months....

[@razorburn645]

@@thelastboomer9088 Bingo. I'm single and I don't need a big home. 1-2 bedrooms at most. I never see those getting built.

[@veronicareitherreese6671]

@@thelastboomer9088 Depends on the state of the home. If you don't have the skills to DYI the house or money to pay someone else, why waste your time. I had this problem for my first house. It took a while to realize I don't need my parent's house. I found a house quickly after that.

[@Th3D4nny]

Not the case where I live. In the Netherlands, young people literally cannot afford houses, even 1 bedroom appartements cost too much for your average police officer or nurse. I am a software engineer and I can just barely afford it.

[@ibrahimcehajic]

Here is a novel idea,why not tighten your belt to the point of starvation,put in 80 plus hours at work for 40 hours or less paid,donate half of your paycheck to your boss to show appreciation for having a job,live in a cardboard box at your job,it saves commute time,eat only every other day to save money and pass those saving to your boss because he needs to be able to afford another lake house and a boat, stop being selfish,do what's best for the company you work for cause you're their only source of income,you wouldn't want the company manager class to do any work now would you.

[@janeyrevanescence12]

My father is angry at me for not taking a job at McDonald’s that pays far less than any job I’ve had and will work me to death. But that job was so horrible that I swore to do well so I would never go back. I’m in my mid 30’s. I won’t be able to keep doing physical labor anymore. And I’m unable to save for retirement because the majority of my paycheck goes to pay bills. Compare that to my father. When he was in high school, he was guaranteed a job at the Buick factory in town complete with a comfortable salary and a nice retirement package that included a pension. He will never understand.

[@veltonmeade1057]

Good post. My mom and other family members worked at General Motors and Fisher Body, all retired with a great pension and health care. But those days disappeared in the 1990s.

[@angelachouinard4581]

My grandfather quit school in 6th grade, you could back then. He got a job at a transfer company when teamsters still drove horses. But back then employers rewarded hard work. When they switched to trucks they taught him to drive. The Teamsters Union made sure he got good pay. He eventually went to work for an oil company and became a bulk plant manager. Never rich but my mom said they never were poor even in the depression, he sold Cadillacs as a side job. All that is impossible now. The only place they are not asking for college is police. They want years of experience for a job you could learn in two weeks. Then if you get said job ad are bored out of our socks they get mad. At the same time if you have experience you are overqualified (read too expensive). Most unions are shell of their former selves and office workers gave up unions for an illusion of class. I'm a tail end of the boomer generation and I saw all this coming years ago. I feel sorry for younger people because it's going to get worse. I'm sorry your Dad can't see what's happening for you. I do.

[@allykhan8594]

Eventually, your parents are not going to be around, then you need to work for your own bread and roof

[@janeyrevanescence12]

@@allykhan8594 I am living on my own but I’m struggling to make ends meet.

[@veltonmeade1057]

@@allykhan8594 But where can we work? That is the problem.

[@craigkennedy5328]

Learned the hard way. Dedication, hard working ethic and loyalty aren’t valued as perhaps it once was. You have the best advice to young people “Be a free agent”.

[@winterwulf1995]

Its really very simple. I refuse to cripple myself to make someone else rich

[@Rebecca-bq4ez]

Are you going to be getting rich on your own then? Hope so!

[@PlaidHiker]

@@Rebecca-bq4ez I’m going to be happy living a frugal life full of worth beyond money

[@jazzlover10000]

It's more like you should work at your own pace for your own as well as other peopel's benefit.

[@TheUnseenPath]

@@PlaidHiker It will never be beyond money. Money is needed for many things but I see your point.

[@TheUnseenPath]

The reason you have a job is because that person is rich.

[@shadrach6299]

My son works for a huge steel mill. He works hard, long hours but he is well rewarded. They really care about their workers. They are well paid and are given huge bonuses several times a year. By the way, it’s Nucor Steel.

[@VannyV1221]

In the interview when they tell you they're like a family recognize it for the red flag that it is (hint toxic work place).

[@delawareexpat]

One of the most toxic phrases said at an interview is "We're a family" run as fast as you can.

[@hlb9834]

*Shudder* Too true, too true...

[@LittleKitty22]

Yup, my last employer was like that. "We are one big family". Was beyond toxic, hounded me and a few others out - literally HOUNDED - with false accusations! I've seen grown men in tears saying "I don't know why they treat me like this". I've collapsed in tears myself when I realized things they had done behind my back, things so serious it would be pointless repeating them here as no one would believe it. Only way to get somewhere in that company was by being related to someone or sleeping one's way up. Failing that - you get the treatment I got...

[@jodibraun6383]

Yup

[@marvelmusic4566]

So right about that. Another is we're all on the same team. There's a 'team' leader and every one else combating to oust and replace them.

[@tyrekm]

Corporate culture in many companies today mirrors the tactics of MLM scams. Managers sell employees the dream of success, promising promotions and wealth if they just "hustle harder." This toxic mindset pressures workers to put in 80-hour weeks, sacrificing their personal lives for the illusion of rapid advancement. Shady practices abound: endless motivational speeches, vague promises of future rewards, and a culture that glorifies overwork while subtly shaming those who seek balance. Just like in MLMs, the reality is often that only a select few reap the benefits, while the majority grind away with little to show for it. The result is burnout, dissatisfaction, and high turnover rates. It's time for companies to prioritize genuine well-being over relentless ambition and recognize that sustainable success comes from a balanced, healthy workforce.

[@SCnative64]

Maybe not gonna happen in 'Merica

[@sighsgkj]

Imagine if an accountant tally up the pay-hours spent by management on bullsh!ting.....

[@veltonmeade1057]

MLM scams, well said.

[@Tessa_Ru]

It also promotes and encourages managers that view their current job and underlings as just a stepping stool to "something better." Instead of promoting the people who actually care about doing their current responsibilities well.

[@davidliefrink9818]

yup dangling a fish in front of a pack of bears but only one will get said fish and the rest are just fighting for the show... thats how companies go about promotions they promise it to one of the select few and even though one will get it the rest is left wondering where the money for their overtime is... its the sports approach for their will allways be someone that finishes first... if all are retarded you have the best retard of the bunch but yeah you still get a retard... but they all ran anyway...

[@chuckles2040]

I do not want to work for the shit pay they are starting to pay. I seen reductions of pay 25% and double the workload. I get shit on, I get treated like shit. CEO make 25x .. they expect loyalty and fire anyone in a second. No pensions, and scams to extract work and wealth from you via non performing RSU and stock options that are only worth something after the CEO and his friends make millions. I am sick of it. Companies meet the army of quiet quitters.

[@ArchTeryx00]

25x? Try 300-400x their average workers.

[@JoseLopez-tk4tq]

"These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert to fleece the public." ~ Abraham Lincoln, Springfield Illinois January 1837

[@mikeg9554]

In 1972 I was 15 years old. I worked Part time at a local bakery. The owner payed me in the one dollar bills from the bakery stores cash register and that was around 40 dollars. Today, I would have to take home around 300 dollars to equal the same value. That is mind-blowing amount of money for a kid to be making part-time no less! I felt rich still living at home. Was able to easily save money for a car and nice hifi equipment. I feel bad for kids today. Car and apartment prices are out of control! Everything for that matter is so expensive. I'm afraid that it will get much worse before it gets better.

[@Tony11806]

What do you mean before it gets better and do you honestly think things are going to get better because I think its just going to get worse and its just the way life is going to become.

[@mikeg9554]

@Tony11806 I meant after the revolution, of course ! 🤔

[@Tony11806]

@@mikeg9554 Western countries are in decline and mass immigration is playing a major part in this decline along with our corrupt politicians and our countries will be in a permanent state of decline.

[@jimslaton9057]

@@mikeg9554 The revolution won't come in America until 3 out of 5 of us are starving in the streets, and maybe not even then.

[@avril.227]

People don’t want to give loyalty to positions that don’t offer pensions/retirement and truly value their employees. I’m tired of giving “extra”, and not being rewarded. For perspective, I had a single mom Boomer neighbor who worked as a waitress, part-time, had 2 children, and went to college part-time, and could afford property, not the best, but it was property and a small house. If anyone in this thread is in denial, this was in the 80’s.😢

[@secularnevrosis]

People know that loyalty and hard work doesn't mean anything in today's work. It's who you know and your ability to not question stupidity, cruelty and unfairness. You must say 'Yes Master'. They no longer want employees, they want slaves.

[@twobitsandpepper8235]

My boss got all the praise and compensation for my work.

[@dariadari3370]

I want to work. But I'm absolutely tired. Because I work so hard and yet I cannot properly recreate after work. Hobby and holidays cost a lot of money. More productivity is expected from me and yet company doesn't want to pay properly. There is no middle class anymore. I should be middle class. I have higher education, good skills, I work in corporate environment but Im just working white collar job lower class. Everything is so expensive, stock market so prosperous, you see in social media influencers showing their ultra rich life and yet I have to think twice if I can afford that latte outside just to feel a bit better after hard day of work. I'm so tired

[@khanaliqasim1757]

I feel you

[@Erik-the-Southern-Viking]

You're Spot-On - this is the end-result of the destruction of the Middle-Class. I want to know why Klauss Schwab & his Billionare Buddies want the destruction of this once-large segment of Society...??

[@danidiaz2377]

Yesss it’s normal just to feel tired all the time from work yet people an barely afford the basics working or butt’s off but getting no where

[@tamjeanell]

Don't give up!

[@avril.227]

The best meme I’ve seen in awhile, reminded me that because we are overworked, tired, and underpaid, that I shouldn’t pressure myself to “do it all “. It isn’t physically possible.

[@darwinmorales6088]

I have an MBA, 15+ years of experience with an exceptional track record of successes very few can claim, proven record of being stable and working my way up the ladder, and doing all the overtime and extra work required for my business to succeed. I was even involved in AI recently. None of that matters. If an accountant miscalculated a number, you’re gone. If an executive made a decision to transform your product, you’re gone. If a business decides that you should move thousands of miles across the country to keep your job, you’re guaranteed to be laid off as soon as that HQ starts cutting people because the manager at the new place doesn’t know you. Then you’re either told you’re stupid because you dedicated years to studying the wrong thing or you’re worthless because you’re not currently employed. This compounded by the fact that the Federal Reserve believes that by definition a healthy economy needs people to be unemployed so that employers have a reserve of people to fill jobs if vacancies appear. The USA needs stronger labor protections and I’m sick and tired of the grind and the rat race. You can do everything right and still fail. To say I’m disillusioned with the USA is an understatement…

[@AlbertoGarcia-qr7qg]

It's the same story everywhere in the world

[@janvandermeer6159]

@@darwinmorales6088 labour protection? In europe, all we hear from the US is maga craze.

[@TheRoland444]

What you present here is reality.

[@cameronhickey7771]

Come to Australia. We have strong labour laws (so they cant do what you described), free medicare, no tipping bs (as our people get a better wage). Only problem is our massive cost of living, authoritarianism, not bill of rights, freedom of speech, 2A etc 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺

[@victorcretu7741]

".... and working my way up the ladder". So, your ultimate goal is to reach the final steps of the ladder? I do not think that's a worthy target. My dream is to have my own successful business one day. I do not care about ladders.

[@damirzanne]

I work at the trucking company , and we are always looking for drivers … the main reason we can’t hire drivers is people can’t pass drug , or background checks …

[@LMLewis]

A hiring officer with a large company told me in the 1980s that the job I applied for didn't actually require a Masters Degree. It was just an easy way to limit the number of applications they need to review. My father, who had only a high school diploma, received on the job training to be a manager, eventually becoming an auditor for a major company. It laid him off, like so many of his generation, when he was too young to collect Social Security but "too old' to get another job. Now, companies refuse to train, demanding that the taxpayer fund colleges and their children's college education instead for degrees that, unlike on-the-job training, don't guarantee a job will be available.

[@Dennis0824]

The problem with that approach is that companies have no control over the quality of education that they demand the taxpayer pay for. As everyone knows, the quality of education has declined considerably since the 1990's and many schools have become nothing more than indoctrination centers. The old saying, you get what you pay for, is very true in this situation.

[@apexphp]

Confused as to why people keep debating this. It's simple -- there's no longer any reward out of working. People only do something they don't want to (ie. work) if there's some type of reward at the end. With society as it is, that's simply no longer the case -- at the end after working it's still just misery, despair, financial pain, and a feeling of hopelessness due to no opportunity or pathway forward in sight.

[@mjbeltran9429]

People do want to work they just want it to be fair - Best line ever said!

[@GeGe-fg3hx]

I agree

[@ericortega1745]

I was working at a factory. My manager said I was paid better than the first shift workers. So I increased my productivity by 10%. It turned out I was being paid a quarter more per hour and he wanted me to double my productivity compared to 1st shift.

[@SoulSoundMuisc]

Hard work is rewarded with more hard work and ever increasing expectations of excellence, responsibility and longer hours for no additional compensation.

[@biancagerade4229]

What makes me angry is the last five years, some companies want a bachelor's degree, for customer service, call center experience. that's just such silliness you get that by experience, that was one of my first jobs was call center I was right out of high school now they're asking for a bachelor's degree,

[@autumnmoonfire3944]

They seem to think that a the presence of a bachelors degree indicates some level of maturity on the part of the applicant, they may also not want to hire 18 year olds but age discrimination laws make it complicated to ask for applicants to be 21 or 25 or what have you. They’d do better to have a long probation period so they can fully see what you’re made off, few people can fake maturity for a full year!

[@biancagerade4229]

@@autumnmoonfire3944 I've met 18 year olds act like they're 40 Years olds. & 40 Years olds that act like they're 15, it just depends on the person when you're going through the interview process if you're a good interviewer then you know how higher correctly

[@LittleKitty22]

From my experience that's just a front, what it really means is "we only employ our family members and friends or women who are willing to provide certain services to get a job, and we only hold faux interviews to keep up appearances in case someone from the government asks questions".

[@autumnmoonfire3944]

@@biancagerade4229 of course you’re right, which is why expecting a bachelor for entry level customer service is so silly.

[@gauloise6442]

If you have a BA it shows you were already a cog in one machine, and will easily be a cog in theirs.

[@motorcitysmitty]

This is so true on so many levels. You get rewarded for doing a good job then suddenly you’re on someone’s radar on a balance sheet. Then, you’re too expensive and get shown the door. People want to work hard for themselves, just not necessarily for an employer where loyalty is a one-way street.

[@kariepw6792]

My husband was one of those people too. He got his projects done, was on time with his parts, and was a team player. But as soon as the company got bought out he was out the door because the 17 years of experience he brought to was not worth the extra 50k a year he had earned over the years by being good at his job.

[@helenablavatsky9136]

This. ☝️

[@pauliancu1368]

@@motorcitysmitty This is so true, I've seen it happen

[@brendonmoeller]

Wow, you articulated this so well. Im 56, just got laid off from two jobs in the span of 6 years. I’m realizing I might have to reinvent myself.

[@Canoby]

No one is fine with exploitation anymore... save those benefitting from exploitation. The Pandemic created a situation where we couldn't really avoid this ugly conversation anymore.

[@goro9942]

That's the truth. It is quite telling who's defending what, it lets you know real quick who is benefitting from that exploitation.

[@rustym.shackelford5546]

Klaus Schwab: "Quit your yappin'! YOU VILL OWN NOTHING! And you will be happy! Now go eat ze bugz!"

[@jazzlover10000]

Actually the real problem in California is the exploitation. It's become much worse over the last 10 years as costs have gone up companies push ever harder to get people to cover more positions. The tradeoff of my party pushing regulations on corporations here is that they've responded by going through a massive efficiency boot-phase, much like we went through in the 1960s under the same pattern of new regulations, etc.

[@brettlowton6961]

Loyalty means NOTHING. I was conscientious in my previous job when I saw other people pulling sickies and making excuses all the time and they're still there and getting away with it.

[@LittleKitty22]

I've seen people endanger hundreds of people and get promoted again and again at my last employer's! Public transport industry. Got hounded out for not being willing to sleep my way up.

[@twobitsandpepper8235]

Maybe they have already 'quiet quit'...

[@goldeneaglejk2678]

My dad spent 6 years in the army, 3 as an apprentice, 40 at the same job before retirement. I spent 10 in college for three degrees, a dozen different jobs and no hope of retirement.

[@GuitarsAndSynths]

public sector or trade jobs the best path now

[@ClayMastah344]

If I could do it all over again I would’ve gone military

[@MrSteeDoo]

Were you any good at the jobs?

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

​@@ClayMastah344 I served 4yr in the Army 1990s. It was a mess then. RIF, QMPs, BRAC 🏚 ... the Army was completely unprepared for GWOT & OIF 🪖 . I saw 1 29yr old Army ranger killed in combat. 9 combat deployments. 9! If you think armed forces careers are + consider that.

[@evepatchett8481]

I agree with your suggestions. I left my workplace early due to the toxic environment. Bullying and Narcissistic behaviour was encouraged and rewarded. Decent people were seen as weak and deserved to be treated badly. I experienced down grading of my job with a significant salary cut but more work, at a much higher level. No thanks, I walked and now I am self employed and love it. I need to point out that I was able to do this as I was established and owned my own home, others may not be in such a fortunate position.

[@titolovely8237]

At my last job I strive to be the overachieving employee. Stayed late, came in whenever they needed me to, took leadership roles no one wanted, and was about 2x more productive in real tangible results than anyone else in my department. You know what it got me? A 3% raise and a workload that made me start drinking daily and started having chest pains due to extreme stress. also i was the third highest paid people at my level out of 4.... Learned my lesson real fast.

[@dpbuc32]

No good deed goes unpunished

[@eddarby469]

Yea, that sounds a lot like my "adventure". I busted my ass only to find out all the older employees who were coasting got paid more.

[@titolovely8237]

@@eddarby469yep. It’s sad because I don’t mind working hard or taking initiative but not when everyone else around me is paid more for doing wayyyyyy less

[@twobitsandpepper8235]

Before I quit, I learned there were people on the floor getting paid the same as me that had only been there a year and hardly did anything but talk and eat all day. While I worked 4-5 people's jobs at all times and was there almost 7 years. Now they can deal with their bs, fixing all their problems and training them every 5 minutes.

[@kimmygintx]

20 years out of college and this is my exact experience right out of the gate. I’ve seen companies become less and less appreciative of the work ethic they demand from people. So sad.

[@jermainemyrn19]

If you get paid and all your money goes towards rent and food......it's not real money. No one deserves to be paid that little either. It has the same effect as a walmart that gives you a gift card you can only spend at the store. It's monopoly money. People are tired of getting paid with monopoly money and all the bs expectations and micromanagement that happens at work.

[@dhenderson1810]

I know a lot of highly paid people who have significant debt because they spend more than they make on things they don't need and also using their credit card as "free money". My housemate once hit me up for a loan to pay the household bills. I was out of work. He was working for an insurance company and was well paid. But he had spent all his money on fast food and infomercial purchases.. Some people are poor through circumstance, and some are poor by foolishness.

[@avril.227]

This is called being a wage slave, because you are literally earning just enough to survive. I’ve had enough of US Capitalism.

[@jamessoucy3740]

DIng! You hit the nail on the head!

[@ValenceFlux]

Hahaha yeah I remember when I was middle class for about a year once... Just had to work 80 hours a week and not miss night school if I wanted to qualify for those extra work hours just had to work more... I could pay all my bills and have $20 for the week for food.. Sometimes I just ate an egg.

[@MrStonee09]

One problem I see, as an exchange student from Austria, is that many people simply want to move to the big cities like San Francisco, New York or Chicago after their studies. Yes, you earn almost 100,000 dollars a year there, but only because the cost of living is so high. Many cities in the Midwest like Des Moines are a lot safer, you can buy a house for a reasonable price and you don't earn too badly.

[@sumdude4281]

The only caveat is that if you lose your job in NY or Chicago there are 5 others in the area whereas if you lose your job in Des Moines there may not be another.

[@ChewyChicken589]

Saying "people don't want to work anymore" in this economy is like me going into a Ferrari dealership, offering them $20 for a car, and then as I'm leaving empty-handed I say "people don't want to sell cars anymore"

[@nmc1859]

😅😅😅

[@twobitsandpepper8235]

Lol pretty close

[@davida8833]

Great analogy!

[@passport_Pol]

Well said

[@thesilentscreamer1595]

I don't know who said it first but the saying goes like this: If the cattle refuse to breed and work, it is not the cows, pigs, and chicken who are worried about their future, it is the farmers, owners, and butchers who are worried. I think this saying applies to our current situation. And this applies to not only developed Western countries but also Asian countries as well. As a Southeast Asian man in his 30s, I can say that us young men are just so done with this that we only work JUST ENOUGH to feed and sustain ourselves and whatever family members we have now. Why bother work yourself to death when there is little to no benefit in doing so, when your bosses and their future generations can still live comfortable lives by exploiting us middle-class people, when your government can just tax you to death for your hard work anyway, when insurance companies can squeeze our money out of whatever loops they find? In fact, why bother at this point?

[@zebra00024]

@@thesilentscreamer1595 no worries, massive state sponsored immigration will replace the cattle.

[@keithkorthals6183]

The workplace sucks!! I have watched as lies become truth. Those that tell the truth are fired!

[@richardbrown8269]

@@keithkorthals6183 yeah the truth tellers are punished and the liars get rewarded it's terrible what they're doing.

[@3hree3threethirty]

I got fired for telling a manager who was ego tripping at me. I didn't want to talk to her in a calm voice. She told me to clock out I did. Then she wrote to hr saying I yelled at her and walked out etc. this was a minimum wage no benefit job. also as a 20 year old I was like damn wtf I just wanted to make money go home.🙁 I was working taking extra shifts etc just to be thrown under the bus.

[@keithkorthals6183]

​​@@3hree3threethirtysorry this happened ...also log a report to hr from you what happened. After several reports of the same, HR may take action...... lies are lies.

[@scootover7]

I always felt guilty of lying but also I see what he meant by confess nothing or deny it.

[@darknewt9959]

@@richardbrown8269 It correlates perfectly with the rise of women in the corporate hierarchy. Women value the sort of comforting lies Oprah tells over any kind of hard truth.

[@garyhoward2490]

Where I live. There is a big, independent hardware/home improvement store. Everyone who works there is 60 plus years old, and the place runs lika well oiled machine. Owner tells me that he actively looks for younger staff. To no avail!! He insists that the older guys can out work the younger guys, and their knowledge, intelligence and work ethic makes them very valuable to him. He pays them two or three times what a box store employee makes...and he is still more profitable. Customers appreciate the service, attention and knowledge of these guys. And the end result is happy, loyal customer base. I love going in there!!!

[@laurakaufman1112]

People do want to work. The labor market does not care about the family unit. Companies have flip flop days, hours. Not consistent daily or weekly job hours and days working. Parents struggle with childcare and school hours for pick up and dropoff. Companies require weekends. Use to be retailers add regularly scheduled employees during the day, evening crews for evening and regular staff on weekends. High school and college student use to be able to take evening hours and weekends. So they had some experience in the work force before graduating. Our society has placed people in tornado lifestyle.

[@Liam-iv7wk]

It's all by design. Powers at be want it this way and if they truly get their way we're all going to die.

[@a.j.4644]

There are so many jobs I can't take because of the constantly changing, unpredictable schedules. I would have to cancel every other part of my life to give them 24-7 availability.

[@keloid123]

Just got offer a job in boston, for Seaport....For 17/hr. If you dont know what like working in boston: The average parking spot is $50 for 8 hour

[@johnnytacokleinschmidt515]

That's awful. Tell them you'll be glad to come in at $27 and see if they'll up their offer. Otherwise they're probably using illegal aliens.

[@fleecejohnsonn]

3 hours at work just to pay your parking LOL

[@Dan-n5h9m]

Lol....$17/h. And 8 hour parking $50?!

[@JeremyTheEntrepreneur]

Boston there’s no where to park they’re just tow you

[@JeremyTheEntrepreneur]

@@fleecejohnsonn”own nothing and be happy while rent is $3000 month”

[@Imzadi]

Our biggest issue with my husband’s career is we can not afford to live in the metro area where his company insists the employees report to the main headquarters. This is a major company that everyone has heard of. He loves his career but we can’t raise our family in the city comfortably. Either pay enough for us to afford to move closer or let him be remote. He’s negotiated a partial WFH set up but the commute is brutal when he does go in. He’s currently searching for a company that he can move upward and the headquarters isn’t located in such a high cost area. His management acknowledges the issue but those in the high up ivory tower just don’t seem to understand how expensive it is for us normal folks.

[@tonyherdina9142]

Maybe you should help out.

[@Dumbledoresarmy13]

I don't even live in a high cost area and am having a similar problem. I may have to quit my job because even though I've been saving like crazy for a house, the salary is so meager I can't hope to make payments on anything in town. The rental market is pretty much nonexistent, so when my lease is up and landlord sells the house I currently live in, I'll have to start paying on a house and hope that I don't have any medical bills or car trouble for the next 30 years while I eat nothing but ramen and attempt to pay for it...or quit and move back to my hometown. I don't even hate my job, but the pay is literally going to force me to leave.

[@jamesbohling4864]

I would bet the company has an expensive property down town they have to fill. In other words, it isn't about the work, but the balance sheet

[@gauloise6442]

@@Dumbledoresarmy13 I read an article how the rental market across the entire USA is basically controlled by one rental software company that is basically fixing the prices of all rentals across the country. It is basically programmed to keep pushing the prices higher at regular intervals and in every market. It is why formerly lowcost places now cost the same to rent in as in metro areas. Everything is rigged.

[@MB-xe8bb]

Yes it's time companies moved to smaller cities.

[@Dr.Kananga]

You know what's the worst part? People working in dead-end companies for years learning nothing new because the owners has no foresight in the company's growth, and when there are lay offs you suddenly have a large chunk of unemployed that can't land their next job because they can't catch up on how much has changed in the work environment.

[@AI-cp1jg]

Team building meetings are waste of time, effort and money. They force a bunch of people who despise each other to act civil to each other just for a couple of hours in enclosed spaces. Afterwards, everyone returns to their old behavior with no improvement in relationships.

[@Rebecca-bq4ez]

The same is true of high school reunions fyi. Consider yourself warned. :D

[@Olliemets]

Interesting to me is the increasing role of HR in Corporate America over my lifetime. I had a nice 35 year Career and worked my ass off. HR's influence on say to day ops increased over that time to the point of being insufferable. I am happily retired 7 years as I made decent money and socked the max into my 401K for decades. Unfortunalty my adult kids have to negotiate this world. I just chuckle at the bullshit HR dishes out in the way of training, not offending people, etc. They don't want the company to get sued is the bottom line.

[@nikolaizaicev9297]

@@Olliemets This can be described from Argyri's single loop learning model, where wrong knowledge leads to wrong action and undesired consequences, and instead of reconsidering the validity of the knowledge, they just try even harder. This is the exact reason why that happened, the BS they teach in universities in business degree caurses, is not only plainly wrong, but is harmful. Many scholars tried to reverse this stupidiy like Deming, Ackoff, etc but without success. The rising importance of HR's is just a symptom of this, an attempt to find a golden Unicorn to solve all the problems caused by badly designed and working systems. Parkinson's laws were published in the 50's, since then, nothing has changed.

[@twobitsandpepper8235]

Almost all of the meetings are a waste of time. I'm convinced that managers and supervisors just do it to literally waste time.

[@crosslink1493]

Those same things were happening when I got out of college and started working full time in the early 1980s. That was eye-opening and after the first few layoffs in the first few years I realized I was on my own. I took that attitude through the following 40 years, switched jobs/career fields as I saw the economy changing a few times, and was able to retire on my own terms just a few years ago. Consider yourself no more than a contractor who's selling your services to a company, watch the economic conditions in your field, geographic area, and the wider economy, and don't be afraid to jump if the situation is changing for the worst.

[@BH-im5nx]

What I got for being good at my job: Told I would get a position when it opens. Position opens. They hire new person and keep me in same position because it is harder to fill and I am good at it; and they wonder why my productivity dropped.

[@richp4198]

That happens quite often when you are good at your job. Seem like a bit of a paradox but management is just lazy and has little interest in any career other than their own.

[@tonyjones1560]

I actually left a company because of a similar situation. The operations manager told me that he wanted to promote me to assistant operations manager but the guy, it turned out, the guy who held that slot was a personal friend of the owner of the company. He was still trying to sprinkle pixie dust in my eyes months later, even though he’d known this all along AND knew that I knew the real deal. I was like, “Dude, knock it off. You know you can’t fire the owner’s buddy. I know it too.”

[@tonyjones1560]

@@richp4198If you’re good where you’re at, you’re one less worry so they keep you right where you are. They don’t stop to think that you might start feeling a certain type of way when you realize that being reliable and efficient is keeping you from getting promoted, and you’re watching “also rans” who know how to schmooze get ahead of you. It puts you in a very “iffy” position. If you complain, or your productivity drops you’re now considered a “disgruntled” worker and the disciplinary process kicks in. If you leave, you’re “disloyal.” They’re going to react to your giving notice in one of two ways: (1) the next (or first) time you mess something up, or can be blamed for it, your @$$ is gonna get fired or (2) if there’s a reason to lay some people off, you’re going to be among (if not literally the first) the first wave. They might make a counter offer, but this is usually a stopgap to find your replacement. You might even find yourself *training* this person although you won’t be told that. Never accept a counter offer. It’s a trap. It’s an evil world…

[@MrDubyadee1]

I’d like to correct something you said in about 1:30 into the video. You talked about how previous generations, “your parents, your grandparents, “ etc. had stable careers with loyal employers and pensions and all that. I’m 71 and retired. What you said has never been true. Never. I remember in the early 1980’s when Exxon having only made 17 billion that year layed off thousands of employees. Other major corporations were doing this throughout the 1970’s and 80’s. It’s nothing new. Loyalty from employees has always been abused. At that time and today the executives always claimed that their job was to “maximize shareholder value”. That means employees are just a means to an end not people to care about. Most jobs have not and did not offer pensions. Social Security was invented in the 1930’s because of that fact. If you were in a union you might have gotten a pension by the 1950’s. Union workers were being laid off in the 1970’s and didn’t benefit much from them. State, Federal and a few other industries had them, but most people work for small and medium sized businesses. They don’t have them now nor did they have them then. Thank god for IRAs and 401ks where people can get some tax relief funding their own pensions. Most people do not earn enough or save enough to fund their own retirement. I was fortunate as a high end professional that I was able to put together enough nest egg to fund my retirement. I also moved around enough to keep my income high because if you are a loyal employee you only get tiny raises. I learned that 50 years ago. My parents never had pensions and would have very little to live on if they had survived. My grandparents, the same. Same with my great-grandparents. So please quit talking about the “good old days” and how previous generations had it better than today. It’s not generally true.

[@darrencole97]

I have a master’s degree and since I was discharged from my last job in 2023 I have not even been able to get interviews.

[@shrikeofterven6006]

Friend of mine with a Bachelor only got hired by a supermarket when she accidentally left out her college stuff. She found out some places don't want to hire people with college degrees for low-level jobs because of the turnover. Seems like nobody can count on getting a fair shake now.

[@frankiecarrrierivg03]

@@shrikeofterven6006 you better off dropping out in the first place is like now every job is comepetive whether you have a degree or not

[@bobjacobson858]

@@shrikeofterven6006 Some 45 years ago I knew a fellow who wanted to get a job very badly, and even tried to get a job as a custodian at the nearby large university. He was told they only wanted people having 8th grade educations who had no other options, for the same reason you mentioned. If one is an educated person who accepts a suitable job that happens to be in a small town (especially one NOT having a university or similar institution), it doesn't pay to buy a house because if your job disappears, you'll have to move away to obtain another one. I've lived in a few such situations, lived in an inexpensive apartment (even having roommates in one), and saved the difference so I could retire early, and I'm now living in my eighth city (and my sixth state).

[@joannevans9629]

Back in 1980 (approximately) my brother bought a house with only a TV technician certificate. The house was a small 3 bedroom, two bath, modest home valued at $32k. Wages haven't even come close to rising as homes have. That same house today most likely is close to 500k. It could be far more. With jobs being just temporary (Gig) and layoffs coming each 3 to 4 years there is no stability in jobs now. How can someone feel safe to take on any kind of a loan (home or car)?

[@bobjacobson858]

I've lived in six states for education and then jobs, plus two different areas within two of these states. I've never bought a house or had a mortgage for the reason you mentioned. This kept it easy to move when the time came.

[@rotofiend4032]

In college I studied under a well-respected professor in our business department-- an elderly lady pushing eighty years old, had a doctorate in info systems and probably fifty years of work experience with tech giants. You'd think she had it made. Yet this little old lady would begin each class complaining just how expensive things were, how she'd been priced out of medical insurance and how it forced her to live underneath her son's roof. If someone can spend their entire lives working for the man only to be screwed over, what's the point? I think people are beginning to wake up and realize that the traditional 9-5 is no longer an option. Hopefully, we'll see more individuals start employing themselves rather than placing their futures in the hands of an unjust market.

[@marcoprolo1488]

She's a secret millionaire. Don't get fooled. Some people just love moaning for the sake of it. Especially the elderly.

[@bobjacobson858]

I've wondered if "9 to 5" is just the result of Dolly Parton's song--so many jobs I've had or seen have been 8-5. Maybe bankers and some other fields actually work 9-5. I remember an economics professor (at one of the famous universities) telling our class (back in late 1971) that a professor is someone who goes through life wanting something that costs $63. Of course we can raise that figure substantially by now.

[@elizzy8754]

Agree. The "corporate career path" is an illusion. Find what you love and are good at and make it your life. Start young, live frugally and save every penny you can. Join with like-minded people, support each other and bypass the system.

[@francoispicard8507]

A few weeks ago, a lady died in her cubicle, and no one noticed for days! An office can be a terrible place.

[@lisadioguardi5742]

Companies and the government need to go back to investing in people. I graduated from college with no loans by working a minimum wage job, because the state invested in higher education. Now what I used to pay for a full year wouldn't cover one three-credit class. Companies used to hire promising people and give them excellent training, then retain the best people by paying them and treating them well. Now people at work are genuinely surprised when I take the time to help them learn and when I'm patient with them. Stop cutting taxes for people who already have so much money that they'll never be able to spend it. Stop taking billions in corporate funds and doing stock buybacks to artificially inflate the value. Invest in people.

[@FlufferNutterSandwich]

Mentoring is critically important, especially for young people who have some knowledge, but no hands on skills yet. I have benefited from mentors immensely, and tried to pay it back by investing in new employees, but it can burn you out when your company recognizes your nurturing spirit, and takes advantage of you. Or, when they hire turds, and expect you to polish them into diamonds.

[@perkunast9680]

The state did not invest in your education the taxpayer did. I work my head head off, and live on noddle soup so you can have your transgender studies. The taxpayer should never pay for education. This will force college's and university's to create affordable programs. Not spend it on wages and foot ball teams paid by the taxpayer. Also we have way too many graduating. With fewer grads you will find more opportunity and students that want to be there since they paid for it themselves.

[@Dumbledoresarmy13]

God I wish companies would spend a little more towards training. On the flip side of that genuine surprised recruit scenario, nothing sucks more than being given the job of 'training' a new employee but having no reduction in your own work, no extension of any deadlines, and no bonus or raise for doing it. It's not that we don't want to be patient, we just can't - it's not actually our job to train and we literally don't have the time to. This also results in lackluster training for the employee because you're sorta teaching as you go and as they go but you really don't have a lesson plan and there's gonna be a bunch of holes in their training that they just have to fill later. Usually by getting yelled at for handling some scenario they weren't trained for incorrectly.

[@RayRayCrazy]

I wonder if that’s why many less people are having kids now? I read 55% of men from 15-49 don’t have kids, you’d have to be a doctor or get a trade working 100 hours a week to afford even one child without living in piss poor poverty. I work as a uber driver the pay sucks but I get by because I don’t have kids and never will, I’d go from being lower middle class to poverty, eating ramen overnight.

[@Yasco-de-Jp]

I am in my late 40s and my husband is in his early 50s. Before getting married, we discussed and decided not to have kids because we wanted to retire with sufficient savings by age 60 at the latest. We are on the right track for the goal only because we don’t have kids.

[@Liitebulb]

It's not normal for 15-20 year olds to have kids, this statistic is weird

[@maximumsim]

@FC-hj9ub Welcome to the North of England, where some people have kids at those ages just to reap the benefits system.

[@danidiaz2377]

I think most people with kids are single moms with zero financial support or anything else from the dad so imagine trying to take care of yourself and a child alone. It’s almost impossible

[@bobjacobson858]

@@Liitebulb Age 20 probably isn't so abnormal. For several years I was working in a small town, and a local OB-GYN (whom I had met in med. school) told me a lot of the locals graduate high school, get married right afterward, and have a baby the following year.

[@melissahammer6267]

I grew up seeing my Dad get layed off every few years then go through incredibly stressful and long job hunts. We had to be really careful with money and skipped dentist and eye care when my dad didn't have coverage. On graduating university i knew companies didn't care about their employees.

[@tonyherdina9142]

Like your dad I've been there a few times myself being out of work, collecting unemployment and feeding a family.

[@dhenderson1810]

​@@tonyherdina9142So be glad when you do have a job and a income.

[@LLCoolJ_25]

Same. My mom and I had to live in a hotel a couple of times after getting evicted from our apartments. My mom just got full time a couple years ago after being contract for over a decade. I have a tech job too now and we are able to live more comfortably now. I'm fearful about the future though. I'm 25 and I feel (and look) like a 35 year old woman. The stress is bad and I have an incompetent coworker who makes life harder. I hate seeing these people my age getting so excited getting hired. We're cheap labor, guys. Once we get to be our parent's age, they'll start replacing us with interns.

[@peterjol]

I am 72, when I was young, jobs were not only abundant but even the most menial jobs paid enough money for someone to support a family and even if you didn't earn enough to 'buy' a home here in the UK you could still get a decent council house. It was always worth working...but now....all I can say is I am glad I am not a youngster.

[@monterreymxisfun3627]

Why would people want to participate in a rigged game? For those of us who prepared for this, the inclination is to build skills and wait it out.

[@gregvanpaassen]

Skills? Like first aid/emergency medical treatment, survival in the wild, navigating without maps, stick construction, basic tool making, leather working and clothes-making, hunting, ... ? Those are good. Also self defense, de-escalation, negotiation, team-building and group cohesion skills.

[@emilyfeagin2673]

How long can you wait)

[@barose1]

Because we still need to earn a living. Waiting it out is not an option everyone can take.

[@jtowensbyiii6018]

And do what? You want my family to fucking starve to death bitch?

[@Liminal_Ascetic]

​@@gregvanpaassenCorrect.

[@baldoes3]

Loyalty DOESN'T pay off any longer. We are just mercenaries.

[@judsongaiden9878]

But the whole point of being a merc is to get paid.

[@blkillia]

​@@judsongaiden9878That's why you quiet quit and do the bare bones work just to hang around.

[@malex2200]

I have been a merc since 2013. It grates on you after a while.

[@nolongeramused8135]

Loyalty at work has, in my experience, never paid off. They have always been more than willing to terminate any employee the instant it benefits the company to do so. Companies have NEVER reciprocated employee loyalty, though they like to pretend that they do.

[@ValenceFlux]

Nothing but a number that can be replaced in two weeks. What I learned during my top notch education in electrical construction.

[@Silverghost992]

Boomers want old school loyalty without the pay. That’s why. They got the gold mine and we got the shaft.

[@hotrodhunk7389]

A whole generation of pulling the ladder up. They not only had a ladder they had a elevator up to the top floor. I'm not blaming them I would do the same if I had the same options. About what sucks is now they're not moving aside to let the next generation move up. My last company every good position had people that have been there 40 to 50 years. They all qualified for social security and their pension meaning they'd probably get 8 to $10,000 a month! To just sit at home or go fishing or whatever they wanted to do. But no!!! Instead they'd rather sit in their cushy position and keep collecting good money instead of letting another younger guy get a good job! I asked one guy why he hasn't retired and he said he'd be bored at home.. so you're screwing over the next generation because you can't find a hobby?!

[@Silverghost992]

@@hotrodhunk7389I always say “they got the gold mine and we got the shaft.”

[@Silverghost992]

@@hotrodhunk7389 very true

[@bencharlie9509]

Give me a break. The truth is in our microwaveable generations after the boomers, everyone wants to start out at the top. They don’t want to pay their dues. Work their way up. They want to come in and be big boss. They come in acting like they know everything without the experience to back their verb. They’re big talkers with not much substance. Unfortunately, too many are getting undeserved promotions, proving just coasting pays off.

[@BillClinton228]

How do you think they made all that money? College fees have gone up 400% since the 1970s, even adjusting for inflation that's insane... not to mention the sky rocketing prices of housing. These things didn't just happen out of thin air, people created this disaster.

[@Susanhartman.]

If you wanna be successful, you most take responsibility for your emotions, not place the blame on others. In addition to make you feel more guilty about your faults, pointing the finger at others will only serve to increase your sense of personal accountability. There's always a risk in every investment, yet people still invest and succeed. You must look outward if you wanna be successful in life.

[@mariaguerrero08]

The first step to successful investing is figuring out your goals and risk tolerance either on your own or with the help of a financial professional but is very advisable you make use of a professional like I did. If you get the facts about saving and investing and follow through with an intelligent plan, you should be able to gain financial security over the years and enjoy the benefits of managing your money.

[@mikegarvey17]

That’s why I make it a point to speak with a financial advisor before choosing any investments. I’ve been using one since the pandemic, using profits oriented tactics and minimizing risks as a buffer against inevitable downtrends. In addition they have access to insider knowledge and analysis, making failure virtually impossible for them. I’ve made about millions working with my advisor for over three years now.

[@ThomasChai05]

@@mikegarvey17Could you possibly recommend a CFA you've consulted with?

[@mikegarvey17]

"Izella Annette Anderson" is the licensed advisor I use. Just research the name. You’d find necessary details to work with a correspondence to set up an appointment

[@Grace.milburn]

Thanks for sharing. I curiously searched for her full name and her website popped up immediately. I looked through her credentials and did my due diligence before contacting her.

[@tomragnarok6538]

Pay property tax annually for the % value of your home even if you are not selling… for a home you paid for with taxed income and loaned money you’re paying interest on… and if you sell that home for equity, pay capital gains tax… who voted for this?

[@Nanatsaya77]

You all did,some by picking the politics,others by abstaining,yet all get screwed

[@Yasco-de-Jp]

That’s the same rule on property as in most developed countries. That’s not gonna change regardless of political strategies.

[@timwhite2680]

You don’t pay capital gains on a home sale if you occupied it at least 2 years before you sell it

[@ThesmartestTem]

Boomers

[@dzhonnikihirin4006]

@@Yasco-de-Jp if you vote for it it will

[@tguy38]

Friends, family, models hired first.

[@ianwilliams6013]

Nepotism

[@LittleKitty22]

Yup, here in the UK that's the only way to get a job. Those of us who are not related to anyone, nor prepared to sleep our way up, get nowhere regardless of degrees, intelligence, experience or talent.

[@Liitebulb]

Models are not

[@karenpojar2514]

That's the culture of India, Middle East, Far East, and South America. "Family, then friends, then tribe". The "hire the individual" / "Mixing business and family is bad" is the outlier culture, which only existed in North America and Europe. Then they imported the other cultures in the world to save a buck so nepotism is now the norm globally. At least the C Suite is starting to share in the pain now. Heck, NYC has become such a neopotistic "us vs. them" shit hole that the WEF are trying to get the stock exchanges moved to Texas.

[@TheFisterin]

@@karenpojar2514 It existed in Europe also...

[@me0101001000]

I'm currently doing my PhD, and we've recently unionized. I was telling my dad, a tenured professor about it, and he was saying, "I'm surprised it's taken you that long". And thanks to the union's negotiations, we've guaranteed longer periods of research funding by administration, a 25% wage increase that was 6 years overdue since before I started, and improved benefits for all researchers, including insurance and time off. And you know what? People are working MORE! They're happy to perform well, show results, and produce good work, because they're compensated fairly for it. Acting your wage also means putting the effort forward for which you are compensated. And after living in Germany for awhile, I really came to see how backwards American labor is. If any business cannot pay their workers not just a livable wage, but a thrivable wage, that business has no right to exist. If that means 80% of businesses go down, so be it. You can't expect to make millions if the bottom line is making pennies.

[@DiamondFlame45]

Exactly! I am glad our generations, Millennials and Gen Z, are fighting back against the corporate koolaid! We are living in a modern version of the gilded age! Those unions are bad tactics are not going to work anymore with the newer generations because we can see that the current system is failing us

[@2kool4ukewlguy77]

Hope you’re doing a phd in something practical because I would hate to learn that my tax money is funding your phd in gender studies.

[@AnonYmous-mw5lc]

just wait til you discover where your union dues are going

[@DiamondFlame45]

@@AnonYmous-mw5lc Oh please. You have these same companies buying out our elected officials to do their bidding. Why don’t you call them out?

[@pinchebruha405]

@@2kool4ukewlguy77listen I’m not a fan of forcing acceptance but gender studies like a lot of things we don’t understand many times leads to answers. This is the argument people used to put down studies about a random bug … where we end up learning that they may excrete or have something in thier genetics 🧬 that helps us with a problem. Like the hotshot crab and the invention of the glowing green fluid that’s gets injected to track issues in the human body