The REAL Scientific Way to Dispose a Dead Body

[@EgnachHelton]

I love how Nigel got into the "education KZbinr" mode unintentionally and the podcasters are trying to get him back into podcasting mode 😂

[@levi0394]

That's what I don't like about them(when they're on trash taste), they just wanna have fun in a way where its just giving a bunch of jokes and not an once of doubt in some of the stuff they say and it does just make them feel like a bunch of friends talking and chatting and that's fine but like for me (and they way that i view it) it just doesn't feel fun to watch/listen. And alot of the time, and even in the video, they really try to simplify the stuff Nigel(or other guests or themselves) says to each other to the point where its not really right. There's alot of times where i skip the part of when they're just saying "oh yea its shit" on something with alot of aspects to think about. I feel like i could get drunk if i take a shot of everytime one says to the other that "it's shit" or something. It's weird bc they don't really act like this in their own videos(maybe except joey and sometimes connor) which makes sense since they're together as friends and stuff but this behavior kinda grew as the episodes go by. I don't even try to pay attention to them when i listen to the podcast bc i'm always watching when im doing sopmething else but it feels noticeable

[@SoGoodContent]

honestly I was enjoying Nile's train of thought and I really didn't like how it was consistently stifled by joke attempts :/

[@levi0394]

@@SoGoodContent same

[@Coffeeclubbing]

@@levi0394 the whole point of having a guest on is being able to talk about stuff the guest would know and they wouldn't that's why if its someone like Nigel its really entertaining there's no way they could do non guest episodes every week anyway

[@levi0394]

@@Coffeeclubbing wait sorry, I think I understand what you're saying but can you rephrase it? Sorry

[@taylankammer]

I think the word Nigel was looking for at the start might have been "mystification." Breaking Bad made mundane and basic chemistry skills seem utterly ingenious to the point of being mystical. At least that's what I got from his attempt to explain what he meant, I'm not a chemist myself.

[@jaesen737]

I was thinking "romanticized", as in chemistry is romanticized for film. Mystification definitely works too though

[@bloothechronosapien4288]

What's funny is that walter himself says that its basic chemistry at the start, but as his ego and pride grow he makes it seem bigger than it is and the show reflects that

[@Devil935]

Probably better word than what I thinking of, overhyped. Since chemistry is pretty cool but not as crazy or mystifying as you said perfectly

[@greenjp779]

I was thinking sensationalization

[@stritax9478]

Dramatic

[@epictoe7179]

I love Niles realistic reaction to it is just, “don’t commit murder” 😂

[@mitzikolo]

is it murder if you never get caught?

[@Scaevola9449]

I mean, only something like 20% of all murders are ever solved.

[@エルフェンリート-l3i]

@@mitzikolo Ethically, yes and it would be quite cynical to say otherwise. Excuse my stoic personality :P You can keep on joking when I'm not around

[@shadowphoenic]

@@mitzikolo ik its a joke but its considered murder if u arent caught but u aint a murderer to anyone beside yourself if u aint caught

[@dragonbornegamer4151]

@@エルフェンリート-l3i a true stoic doesn't qct half a s self righteous as you please continue studying more philosophy I hope you find your way on the journey to become sage like

[@grifinsoulgreep]

Nigel (talking about other acids that could potentionally destroy body): ''I never even thought about that.'' Me (remembering that he completely vaporized chicken leg in piranha solution): ''Well played sir.''

[@MsZsc]

mythbusters switched to piranha solution for that breaking bad myth but it doesn't destroy bathtub

[@ZachHixsonTutorials]

If you think about it, Walt and Jesse were in the perfect position to just drive back out into the middle of the desert and bury the bodies out there. Messing around with the acid, just like Nile said, was way to many extra steps.

[@chamllis]

Yeah but most people would panic though and wouldn’t want to transport the body. Especially in tv because you know a cop will pull them over the moment they leave the driveway.

[@rwdplz1]

Walt was in no shape to dig a hole big enough. One thing you notice from all the true crime mysteries, they always find bodies in shallow graves, and never in deep ones.

[@ZachHixsonTutorials]

@@rwdplz1 He seemed to be able to bury multiple 50 gallon drums all by himself in a grave that later hid bodies that nobody could find, so I'd say he's in pretty good shape.

[@germwarfare]

@@rwdplz1 right cause remember how long it took them to find Gomez and Hank?

[@gavinwilson5324]

*too

[@aliasfakename8076]

So about that mythbusters episode: The guys werent able to get the pig to dissolve too well, let alone the bathtub, with any commonly available acid. So they used a special solution, but didnt tell the viewers what it was. It still didnt dissolve the tub like in breaking bad, but it completely destroyed the pig. This special mix was pirannah solution. A mix of concentrated sulfuric acid and hydrogen peroxide. And yes, nile made it on his channel

[@not_glad]

The funny thing about all this is that acid wouldn't be the best way to go. Apparently alkaline solution is much better...allegedly.

[@xiuxiu1108]

​@@not_gladYeah, a lot of cartels allegedly used boiling vats of high concentration sodium hydroxide solutions to dissolve their victims.

[@explorer_1113]

@@not_glad just asking for a friend, what are the components for the solution?

[@not_glad]

@@explorer_1113 sodium hydroxide. Your friend can get the widely available powder and just add water. It's commonly used to clean engine parts but according to wiki farmers used to use it to dissolve dead animals. I think it goes without saying that if you're working with it don't get any on yourself, it's a bit different to acid in that it doesn't immediately hurt however the damage it's doing is far worse.

[@zamexnox]

I'm gonna screenshot this just in case.

[@kerduslegend2644]

"The first problem we have it's that we have a body" "And the solution to that problem is to not have the body" "The more step you get to that solution the more trails you gave/the more problem you made" It's a simple combination of words but It's actually a dang good advice...

[@adude2927]

If no body is found, nothing is really able to carry on in the case, if im correct. Unless of course you were extremely obviously the killer.

[@ForsenArchive]

@@adude2927 You need either a murder weapon or a body, and in cases where you don't have either a confession or some dang good luck on evidence. For example: Two FBI cases with no murder weapon and no body. First was for a missing black marine and the suspect was her former marine boyfriend. He had bought dynamite and since he knew a network of abandoned coal mineshafts pretty well, it was believed he tossed her into one and basically let the mountain collapse on top of her. He got caught because right before the murder, he was dishonorably discharged and was not allowed access back to his office computer, where the FBI basically found a step by step plan on how to commit the murder. Second guy was someone who owned a bus company who invited over his former rival who'd driven him out of business over to his house across the nation. Guy accepted figuring it was to mend relations since it had happened 20 years ago. He got murdered in cold blood by his former rival and wife and dumped the body somewhere over the Atlantic. Murderer's friend took on a wire and got his friend to talk to him, where he got him to admit to the murder. Wasn't enough evidence alone, so his wife took a plea deal to rat on her husband and describe how she partook in the coverrup in exchange for 20 years. As it turns out in both cases, the disposal was damn simple. Shoot the victim in the back of the head, wrap their body in duct tape, dump it in a car/boat, drive out to the middle of nowhere, and bury it.

[@dabkolay]

this is the peak way of thinking of an engineer xd

[@sworddomo1951]

Burying would be a lot better. It gives you leverage, you don't have to worry about floating in a river. You can pick a spot with noone around.

[@GlorifiedGremlin]

Thinking objectively like a scientist. As a very science minded person with terrible motivation and diligence, I've appropriated that thought structure to my whole life. "This is our problem." "This our solution." "This This and this will be the most effective way to reach the goal" I write all this down btw. Then I break "this this and this" into even smaller micro goals that you can knock out super quick. Very helpful for adhd

[@maciejglinski6564]

it is so irritating when they don't listen to the person they invited constantly talk over him and take every moment Nile gets to gather his thoughts for unnecessary rumble

[@Promatim]

Yeah, their styles definitely clash. NileRed is a funny guy, and he knows where he's going with his comedic timing. I think the guys thought he was struggling and that's why they jumped in, but really they just ruined the timing on all his jokes.

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

@@Promatim Like guys! Stop! Nile is laying out a joke! Dont ruin the punchline! Aaaa

[@lukmaanpratomo6866]

I agree. Whether Nile is setting up a joke or not, it's still interesting to hear his take on cinematic chemistry as he has some understanding and knowledge regarding how chemistry works in real life and how it would translate to cinema. However, sadly that all got ruined by the constant cut-ins and by around the 3 or 4 minute mark, I stopped watching & listening. Basic Conversation 101: Let your partner finish speaking unless he/she states needing help in articulating something.

[@dominicsianez3409]

Im so glad someone else is thinking the same. Like when he was describing it, i could tell he was going somewhere with it, but they'd all cut in

[@baguette4607]

Yea, Nigel is a really funny guy, like if you’ve watched William Osman, or nilered, or safety third, or anything you can tell he’s just a very smart person but also rlly silly too 😭

[@inoob26]

The amount of times Nigel tries to tell straight facts but it all sounds like "hehe poopoo funni" to the bois

[@itsyoboibrent]

I mean to be fair, that's the natural reaction for people who aren't into that field. Like Reni Decartes could explain a math formula which an cure cancer or something and I'd just sit there being like "ahh... math"

[@okuyasuniijimura]

@@itsyoboibrent wasnt rene decartes a philosopher lol

[@itsyoboibrent]

@@okuyasuniijimura I dunno, he just appeared in my math subject one time and that's all I remember about him (which pretty much proves my earlier point lmao)

[@Chris-rn9zx]

@@itsyoboibrent I’m mostly familiar with Descartes due to his work in philosophy, but one math concept I know he had a hand in was graphing. Specifically the Cartesian graph (creating a grid with an x and y axis to visually represent mathematical concepts)

[@onexghost5888]

@@okuyasuniijimura He was also a scientist lol

[@princeampadu8739]

Im convinced that connor actually has a body in his tub and invited nile so he could fish answers from him as a "joke"

[@JACpotatos]

I remember learning how to make meth in my highschool AP Chem class. My prof said it was the most basic chemistry you could learn.

[@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034]

Ayo 🤨

[@RoseKindred]

We learned that at a grocery store I worked at. I am not even kidding, they gave us a police video on how. Supposedly, it was to "not sell these items together."

[@JACpotatos]

@@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034 honestly, it is pretty simple. Crack is probably the easiest, though

[@trajectoryunown]

Yeah, even the more complicated methods are high school chemistry level or just above. Not exactly complicated stuff for anyone with a basic education in the field. I think Breaking Bad's scene about how "it's just a recipe" was done really well. That's the mentality a lot of people have. Walt makes a valid argument though.

[@JACpotatos]

@@trajectoryunown I think Walt's education had more to do with his ability to improvise, as well as his consistency in purifying large quantities of substances. Because you're right, it's extremely simple to make a batch of pretty much any drug.... So long as you've got the recipe. Chemistry isn't hard if you know basic techniques

[@sirflimflam]

To be fair, the blue meth in Breaking Bad was described in universe as a byproduct of the impurities introduced by the trademark Methylamine, so the blue was never a measure of purity, rather an impurity. I always loved the wink and nod nature of using that chemical in particular to make their "biker meth". I feel like most professions end up being somewhat at odds with their depictions in television. Medical dramas are a great example. It's hard to be super realistic and make compelling stories when the medical science depicted in show is entirely based around reality. If you make it too strongly based on reality it can end up being too unnecessarily info heavy or boring, where as no grounding in reality comes off far too fantasy. It's a delicate balance.

[@Ebbelwoy]

Lol that's not even true

[@zay9628]

they also have walt on record saying “its simple chemistry” and asking jesse if he payed attention in his highschool chem class

[@michellelee9661]

Nigel said HF (hydrofluoric acid) is used to dissolve glass to indicate how scary it is. I would like to add that it's also used in industry to dissolve and etch titanium and titanium alloys :)

[@MrGlide60]

Not gonna lie the added smiley face made it all the more scarier to think about LMFAO

[@IonRoxas116]

My favorite scary fact about it is that labs that use HF keep a calcium gluconate solution to treat acute exposures, because if you don't immediately get treated HF will rip calcium out of bones and form calcium fluoride in your blood, which is insoluble. And will turn your liver, which holds a lot of calcium, into a brick.

[@MrViki60]

​@@MrGlide60 :)

[@NoctisIgnem]

We use it treating stainless steel, just a 2% solution with nitric acid. But we buy it 75% solution haha. Though it's more toxic than acidic, it'll actively dissolve your bones at first :)

[@punkazecke3881]

i mean titanium is quire reactive so it makes sense

[@orangeapples]

7:05 it’s cute that Nile is also concerned about education and making sure questions are answered.

[@julesk3816]

there's one true crime case i remember where a man's wife disappeared and her body was never found, but based on previous comments he made, it's heavily suspected that he drove out into the desert, swapped cars for the last leg of the journey so his odometer couldn't be used to calculate the final location, and dumped her body down an abandoned mine shaft. he banked on the mine shafts being too unstable, dangerous, and deep for any body recovery teams to be dispatched down there, and he was right. edit: it was Susan Powell i was thinking of, thank you to the people in the comments who remembered!

[@ayoCC]

imagining just a skelleton down there just freaks me out. Skelletons are scary

[@Nakisey]

@@ayoCC 💀

[@trajectoryunown]

@@ayoCC Spooky scary skeletons~

[@FiredAndIced]

This is peak Halloween story this month.

[@TheRealGigachad1848]

ok but how did people find out

[@jypsridic]

4:07 yea I totally get this feeling. As a chef a common experience is a foody walking up to me and saying "Hey do you know how to make X" where X is some obscure dish that I've never heard the name of before, then when they finish describing the recipe at length I just respond with "Yea I can stir some cilantro and chilies into mac and cheese." and they get upset. I think it is the side effect of the dunning krueger effect where they rest all of their overconfidence on knowledge of one particular thing.

[@ApexGale]

Dumping it somewhere hard to find has always been the strat. If you've been following the stuff going on with Lake Mead, there are bodies dating back a century showing up now because the lake is reaching an all time low in terms of depth. It's honestly scary to think about how many cold cases exist where the body was just put somewhere nobody would ever be able to find it otherwise

[@MrAgentEcho]

And remember lake mead is a fairly small lake. Imagine how many corpses are hiding in the waters of the great lakes, lake Tahoe, and other deep lakes in the us.

[@cybermonkey81]

There's a few people out there that try to solve missing persons cases that have gone cold, and a lot of them involved the person having a car accident and going underwater, which explains why they were almost impossible to find.

[@toobig7150]

@@MrAgentEcho forget that, just any big (and just any moderately dangerous.. Or any murican one) that's by the coast of any ocean and let your imagination run wild

[@ciarangale4738]

@@toobig7150 I mean, at least the ocean is full of sharks and currents that can fuck with your plans. Lakes... lakes are massive bodies of reasonably still water

[@mememaster695]

@@ciarangale4738 The sharks and currents help if you're dumping a body. If you chuck a body in the ocean it's going to be dragged away by currents and eaten by scavengers, after a while in the ocean there is no longer a recognizable body to find.

[@fwiffo]

Nigel: "I've never put much thought into it." Also Nigel: Made multiple videos demonstrating the flesh-vaporizing properties of piranha solution.

[@clff1342]

Walter even says it’s just basic chemistry in the first episode

[@takanara7]

True but then later on the show they act like he's some amazing meth cook like the only guy who can get 99.9% purity or whatever. Honestly there's zero reason to put that much work into making meth since only the most desperate drug users take it, they'd rather have MDMA or some other designer drug if given the option.

[@MrAgentEcho]

@@takanara7 because the other meth cooker characters are amateurs using inferior ingredients. He's the only one that's doing it correctly instead of the scuffed way. His reputation is because he's the only one consistently producing the best stuff. you're right about the last part, but he'd likely be making the isomers of popular drugs (25I-NBOMe for example). Those are often not illegal and there's a huge market for people taking new, recreational drugs that aren't yet considered illegal.

[@Biscotum]

@@MrAgentEcho It does kinda stop making sense once he's doing it on the industrial scale though. Once he's not making it in a trailer he's basically hit the skill ceiling. Maybe he was making some wacky isomer that had different bioactive properties or something.

[@sonata7204]

@@MrAgentEcho not Gale, Gale was a certified chemist and acted like Walter was a genius for his meth

[@losfogo7149]

@@Biscotum well he's also an incredibly good criminal mastermind

[@ua7632]

Not a watcher of the podcast. Just found the title interesting. But holy shit is hard to listen to the guest with everyone laughing and interrupting every 5 seconds

[@AngelWithNoWings1996]

I think what the guys aren't getting is that a lot of fields are lionized in a way that makes it seem inaccessible to normal people, but something like stitching a wound is as easy as taking a needle and thread and getting to sewing, purification is one step removed from adding water to your britta filter, of course experts have an understanding of these processes in a more nuanced way, but that doesn't change the fact that it's rudimentary stuff you can trust an apprentice/amateur with

[@RainbowSushiii]

yeah there is a reason why most lab assisstans can do that stuff without having any degree necessary to rly understand what is going on

[@yura37]

I saw this often working as a mechanic. simple things like bulb and filter replacements are things most people could do in 5-10 minutes, but they still go to the shop and spend lots of time and money just because it feels so daunting. not even mentioning the medium level repairs that consist of a few nuts and bolts to swap a part that most consider impossible to do themselves.

[@gur262]

there was this fraud who became a good combat surgeon or something with zero education. they busted him asking for something he doesn't usually do. all i could think: well he's an expert and you are the system , just throwing a tantrum.

[@gur262]

​@@yura37 spend weeks worrying about swapping sparkplugs , finding a way to not take the tank of. making it more complicated that way for no reason. they asked for over100 for that shit.

[@PorcuDuckSlug]

TV shows and movies glamorize/moviefy everything and it’s surprising how many people forget about that. Like 90s hacker movies

[@pandamanguyperson]

Anyone else just want to them to let Nigel talk?

[@tbounds4812]

id rather listen to nilered talk to himself than this

[@androognoix1685]

@@tbounds4812 What were you expecting? Read the podcast/channel name

[@androognoix1685]

What were you expecting? Read the podcast/channel name

[@carl_royce_canti]

Just read your comment. Yeah, I actually got annoyed in one of their talks in where they ask an interesting question, Nigel answers and then someone butts in to tell a funny experience or example of their own and then derails the conversation altogether.

[@coverrockmexicanone]

this reminds me of "El Pozolero" a member of the Cartel de Tijuana was basically melting corpses and dumping them around his property the liquids, tooth nail and some bone fragments were burned off before dumping with the rest. the dude claimed he got away with 300 bodies but reports are estimating around 14000 to 15000 bodies.

[@Foogi9000]

Jesus Christ, Cartels are horrible.

[@Izaya_CC]

Yeah, and he was not even convicted for that... There was nothing in our law to punish "melting corpses" so, it's said that the police put some military exclusive kind of guns at the scene and got him for that. And yes, now we have an article on the code that specifically punishes "melting corpses".

[@justabloke7222]

Yea I was aboutta say, someone does this already 😅

[@MrAgentEcho]

That translates to "the stewmaker" he used caustic soda aka lye or sodium hydroxide. The Israeli's were brought in to consult with the cartel and teach their ways.

[@dickiewongtk]

But they have a whole organisation with the necessary infrastructure to do it.

[@rashedusman9717]

The other problem is that disolving a body would probably stink like hell. On the other hand, there was an english serial killer that succesfully got away with murder a couple of times by disolving bodies in acid. Another procedure that has been developed as an alternative to cremation is the use of sodium hydroxide to disolve bodies.

[@danii1.]

I can totally see the struggle for Nigel to make the mechanisms/concepts of chemical reactions sound interesting and fun while also trying to be concise and accurate while the guys try to keep the banter flowing. It’s an interesting mix, not necessarily bad but the flow feels a bit awkward 😳

[@idiosyncrasy7703]

It's more so Nigel's slow cadence of speaking and when he stops talking altogether in a middle of a sentence to recall terms and what not. That added silence isn't really a staple of the podcast since they're used to rapid fire banter and just blurting out whatever just to piss each other off in argument lol. Plus, connor seemed to be the one who did most of prior research or got a couple more questions ready and since they're on the same side, garnt and joey just didn't have that much of a presence aside from a couple follow up questions and reactions. But it's not that it's too jarring anyway and the topics they brought up more than made up for the awkwardness of the episode so it evens out for me.

[@Ludecil]

Absolutely nothing against Nigel as I love his videos, but he probably edits out a ton of pauses from his videos to keep it concise.

[@danii1.]

@Mood It was pretty sweet bc he seemed really excited LOL

[@AlanGonzalez-ev6ur]

@@Ludecil i mean he has a podcast

[@Ludecil]

@@AlanGonzalez-ev6ur today I learned. What's it called?

[@GalaxyzFoster]

I used to think it was super hard for people to get chemicals until i started working for a company that deals with water treatment and boiler cleaning the amount and variety of acids is crazy that people literally can buy

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

Acids? You can buy uranium like regular rock, all accessibility comes down to cost of chemicals that are needed to make stuff you need (and they often can be bought in regular store anyway). Only VERY specific chemicals have restrictions, and they are usually restricted only by amount you can get (not counting obviously illegal stuff like drugs and explosives), before beng questioned (and you can get away very easily just by providing solid reason why you need that much of it).

[@thevictoryoverhimself7298]

I got you homie: so you’ve got a body. Start by wrapping it in a blanket and throwing it in your attic. Clean any blood, hair or debris quickly. Don’t have to be perfect, you’re not going to fool CSI anyway, just enough so any unexpected house guests don’t ask questions. Grab the local newspaper and scroll to the obituaries. Look for someone that’s going to be buried at your local large cemetery, often the time and location of the burial will be listed, calling the funeral home for details is an option but is more risky. Those graves are dug ahead of time by the staff a day or two in advance with a backhoe and covered in a tarp to prevent rain erosion, and they generally don’t work nights. You can go scout out the location in advance, if anyone asks just say you’re visiting grandma who died last year. Now with your location picked out, wait until the night before the funeral and take your unwanted guest out of the attic. Drive to the grave at 2am and bury it in just enough dirt to cover it inside the grave. Nobody is going to be looking that closely in the morning. Bring a change of clothes so you don’t get pulled over on the way home covered in grave dirt. Now the following morning the cemetery staff will cover your unwanted package in another body and 6 feet of dirt for you while you’re enjoying your morning coffee and bagel. You’re welcome, and happy murdering!

[@armedmonkey5846]

Thank you kind sir.

[@melikechoc0]

💀

[@ramboturkey1926]

you forgot about the concrete vault

[@velgarde_]

sabotaging the security cams are a first, but that could lead to trails

[@thevictoryoverhimself7298]

@@velgarde_ nah unless someone steals something nobody is going to check those. Vandalism draws attention

[@leaflet7738]

11:30 this is similar to the criminal minds episode when Rossi I think has to visit a criminal once a year to find where the bodies are.

[@RedLogicYT]

I love how many times Connor completely misunderstands half of what Nigel is talking about but keeps assuming to know lmao

[@Promatim]

One of my pet peeves is when people incorrectly finish someone's sentence, and the amount of times Connor did it here. Connor needed to just accept that he had no idea where NileRed's train of thought was going.

[@D__Cain]

Like sir, please stop trying to be smart

[@Kyuteruko]

I think he thought he knew but just ended up being wrong though, he should've just let him finish his sentences instead of looking like an idiot and interrupting the guest.

[@aniphoenix9474]

Connor and Nigel's energy is just too far off. Joey and Garnt on the other hand are just quietly taking in the info. Very respectful imo. Not that Connor is being disrespectful to Nigel, they're friends and I assume they're already used to each other, but still, I wish Connor would relax on this one. Nigel doesn't need an extra hand to make the thing she says interesting.

[@tybronx2446]

Podcast bros just be like that tbh.

[@kunaladhikari5215]

You'll find hydrofluoric acid (in low concentration mixes) at most auto detailing places. Its used to clean wheels and works really good at it. Many commercial wheel cleaners probably use it aswell, so I don't think it would be too hard to do this.

[@schrodingerscat1863]

In concentrated form it is extremely dangerous to handle because it is very toxic, just getting some on your skin will kill you if not washed off immediately, absorption through the skin is fatal. Even the wheel cleaners are very dangerous and have to be handled with extreme caution.

[@Otori6386]

I work with hydrofluoric acid (mineral analysis), by far the most terrifying thing we work with to the point it has its own first aid kit because of how uniquely dangerous it is. For "glassware" we use Teflon beakers.

[@5Seed]

Cooool

[@filipealarza9079]

Imagine using HF in a lab without calcium gluconate

[@jt4843]

Liars everywhere

[@Appri]

@@filipealarza9079 Uh, there's no medically proven study that calcium gluconate helps treat the burns better than any other solution. It's infused to people via IV in serious cases, but otherwise there's no evidence that it helps. This is directly from a credible source: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4116323/

[@Appri]

@@jt4843 Tinfoil hat.

[@iCortex1]

10:18 absolutely, when you're a teenager and you first start smoking weed you realize that hiding so much is the thing that makes you sketch. nobody thinks twice at a car in the first row of the parking lot ... if you're parked all the way in the back you might as well have a huge sign that says "illegal activities going on here"

[@grubbu7073]

I know he’s a good chemist because his first instinct to their questions wasn’t “oh lets make this a bit” it was “oh time to give an actual answer”

[@jadaweeknie]

I'm glad I found this channel, because sometimes I feel completely useless in this world, but now I see Joey and Garnt plummeting the averages down the drain i feel way better.

[@bobjones2959]

I think what he's describing is the disconnect that comes from seeing how it's portrayed in the show vs how you know the process actually is.

[@MeatBunFul]

So inconclusion it's overhyped

[@jadenawvr1035]

@@MeatBunFul They couldn’t actually show how to make meth on the show tho

[@jaesen737]

It's romanticized!

[@PostAloneD]

Misplaced awe ?

[@dogetge7544]

i think the word was underwhelming

[@rostislavmartynyuk9774]

He seems like such a fun guy to hang out with. Great energy from this guy. Excellent guest 👌

[@HarrisonMartinson]

His main channel is NileRed but his second channel NileBlue is a lot more fun

[@kourdoumpoulis]

I feel what Nile is trying to describe is the same feeling I get when I see someone pretend strum in a music video clip.

[@GameboyFanatic]

Or people being impressed by Thunderstruck

[@heroinfathr]

or inaccurate depictions of what it's like to be on drugs (showing people seeing unicorns on shrooms for example)

[@turolretar]

⁠@@GameboyFanatic try alternate picking that pattern throughout the whole song like Angus does, it’s impressive if someone can do it cleanly and on time. I’ve seen some guitarists shit on ac dc without understanding that it takes real skill to play their songs

[@GameboyFanatic]

@@turolretar Jesus that was a year ago Pretty sure I learned when I was 14 or 15

[@GMPranav]

That's why Walter kept getting problem after problem. But Jack's crimes were untraceable until Walt gave the coordinates.

[@RoseKindred]

The way a teacher taught us years ago required 3 things. "Woodchipper," "Pig Pen," and at least 1 "Pig." We learned some interesting things in school.

[@alvis1686]

dont forget to run it through with some real leafy brush to help get blood off the blades, also gotta know how to properly clean it.

[@zitronenwasser]

Actually, we also talked about this, and there are some extra steps. The pig feces still have identifyable DNA, feed the feces to fishes, they will butcher it

[@RoseKindred]

@@zitronenwasser Huh, never too old to learn I guess.

[@irissupercoolsy]

I also wanted to comment this haha... but it's also a bit suspicious if you buy a pig pen suddenly

[@bigchungus7050]

@@irissupercoolsy that's why you plan ahead

[@sheep4483]

nigel mentions how a lot of people view people like surgeons and chemists like "gods with infinite knowledge" and I kind of feel like that's the case in pretty much every field, as a programmer I can show someone a program that takes no more than 60 seconds to type out and could be written by someone who started learning to program last week and a lot of times they might still treat it like some esoteric arcane art and say things like "wow that's so cool I could never do that you must be such a genius" I think what he's describing is this sort of thing where people who don't know anything much about the field will treat every little thing as incredible, no matter how basic or mundane it is, and when you know there's so much more it really gives you this certain apprehensiveness of some kind. If you imagine, it's kind of like somebody being just utterly flabbergasted that you know how press a key on a keyboard or that you know the alphabet when you're a world renowned professional writer, it just feels a little awkward somehow, "I mean--yeah... I do know the alphabet, I guess... I don't know if that's really the interesting part..."

[@idiosyncrasy7703]

That's a solid point that if you're connected to the victim in any way shape or form i.e. Family member, friend, colleague, old classmates or even just mere acquaintances, you'll most probably gonna be dragged into the investigation. Also the reason why serial killers can get away with multiple murders before even getting noticed. Most of them attack random people and even those that do have certain criteria for their targets, they're still complete strangers relative to the victims so there's no connection to be made aside from "hey there's a killer who targets ginger guys" which tbh isn't really much of a clue on its own. So my take away is, just don't kill anyone you personally know or if you really have to, try to make it look like as much of an accident as you can.

[@everythingsfinett3903]

If you’re gonna make it look like accident you're going to get caught. Just don’t kill anyone in the first place, even if you hate that person and want to make them suffer. It’s better to move on and live a better life than they could even dream of

[@idiosyncrasy7703]

@@everythingsfinett3903 I mean of course. Lol. I was being sarcastic for the most part don't worry.

[@RichardHorpe]

@@everythingsfinett3903 i mean, sure. but that's like saying you won't fail calculus if you pursue a degree in art history, not really a solution that actually tackles the problem at hand.

[@Taylor_5724]

@hishenmathurin2844 but if the problem at hand is that you have a body...

[@Evolcun]

The thing is about the law is that even though you may be suspicious, that's not evidence to convict you, so if you HAVE to kill someone you're close to, you can just do what nilered talked about in the video, don't be extra, which would include making it look like an accident, and when they question you, remember that the only reason why they're questioning you is because they don't have sufficient evidence to convict someone, so just keep your mouth shut, don't say a word, and don't display any signs of anxiety or fear, i.e. sit up straight, don't put your leg over the other, only keep them in a normal sitting position, keep your hands open on the table, don't excessively scratch yourself or do any self-soothing movements like rubbing your head and/or arms, and make sure to stay in that state, don't make any unnecessary movements like readjusting, that could be interpreted as anxiety, no matter how uncomforable it is.

[@AbsoluteBot806Not]

Were going on the watch lists with this one 🤝🔥🔥

[@rangerhalt]

In Ochem 2 in the first week we learned the mechanism for making meth. Its super easy, I think every Ochem student learns the mechanism at some point just for fun. Theres a reason bombed out barely functional dudes in a trailer can do it. But given the reactants, there's also a reason they blow up all the time...

[@luxor4804]

I am honored to be on a watchlist with all of you today.

[@yousef-eq8zw]

They did get some parts wrong in the show on purpose to prevent people from re-creating it 🤣

[@phaeste]

Iirc they didnt get things wrong, they just purposefully left multiple steps out

[@andrewlollis5441]

I'm always amused how chemists seem to utter the phrase "I could be wrong" more than other disciplines

[@spongbobsquarepants3922]

That is just scientists in general. Scientists are very humble and open minded. It is a virtue celebrated in scientific communities.

[@LeLa_Lu]

Interestingly enough, the blue colour could also come from light interference in micro-crystals a bit like the wings of some butterflies.

[@Bobbias]

You'd need some very consistently sized micro-crystals for that (or a mixture of ones which all happen to end up affecting the same wavelength the same way).

[@LeLa_Lu]

@@Bobbias yeah and they would need to have a particular shape etc. I'm just saying that colour doesn't necessarily need to come from contamination. It is just very unlikely that the compound in question can do this.

[@MrAgentEcho]

in the show they intentionally put coloring into the meth to differentiate from everyone else. Jesse was making his "chili p"

[@DocDreadd]

@@MrAgentEcho thats not true, have you seen the show? It turns blue when they start using methylamine instead of pseudoephedrine, theres someone who adds blue coloring later in the show but its just to imitate walts meth

[@bpapao]

the fucking 2 guys onn the side keep trying to guess the end of nile's phases plus cutting him off is what made me leave halfway though

[@harambe9461]

Omg yes it’s so fcking annoying

[@androognoix1685]

Pay attention the podcast is called TRASH TASTE what did you expect?

[@androognoix1685]

@@harambe9461 Pay attention the podcast is called TRASH TASTE what did you expect?

[@dongle404]

Tbf Walter does say it's basic chemistry himself

[@YorticusTV]

13:10 ..... "I absolutely have more than 1 body"

[@ARM3LO]

The feds gonna love this one 👮‍♀️

[@janematthews9087]

This clip basically boils down to. "Disposing of a body isn't complicated, just bury the body. The more steps you add to that process actually helps in catching you. So just don't do crime."

[@杀手菜鸟]

@@janematthews9087 got it, can't get caught if u don't take that first step

[@Mellowzz0]

but they supposed to know this type of shit already xD

[@YoursUntruly]

This should be the: “Talking Over and Cutting Off Our Guests Official Podcast”

[@TimBagels]

Yeah. This was really obnoxious to watch. I don't feel like any of the hosts were contributing anything valuable

[@ehehehehehe9661]

Do you always stay silent when bantering with friends? No? Thought so.

[@YoursUntruly]

@@ehehehehehe9661 I speak in turn, and am respectful. Which is way more than they can say; and obviously you too.

[@Tafrara-idir]

​@@YoursUntruly They are just talking like friend's

[@androognoix1685]

What were you expecting? Read the podcast/channel name

[@sayantanmazumdar3]

Nigel making sure he doesn't uncover trade secrets on camera.

[@rich1051414]

4:00 It's like when your grandma calls you a genius for restarting her router.

[@ionic7777]

2:00 as an undergraduate student in o-chem this semester I can confirm I did a crystallization lab a few weeks ago with arabinose

[@DaFrancc]

4:05 it's kind of the same thing with medical shows like Grey's Anatomy or House. On one hand people get interested in medicine, but on the other hand, it's not representative of the reality of doctors

[@jackgerhardt3243]

People romanticize chemistry which I think is the word Nile was looking for.

[@aserta]

12:44 that's how they got a serial killer. I forget who. I don't think he dissolved people tho, but they got him by the plumbery.

[@Wellthisisnotwhatiintended]

I have a degree in chemistry and almost did a fine art degree. As I watched breaking bad during 16-18 yr old it definitely influenced me.

[@saladking2370]

8:37 It creates at layer of corrosion which acts as an insulator Like the rust on train tracks

[@heythere1074]

It is the same with Mr. Robot for which people were saying how realistic they are with "hacking" but any hacker would just roll his eyes.

[@pandoratheclay]

Lock picking Lawyer when normal locksmiths cant open a lock:

[@heythere1074]

@@pandoratheclay or him seeing some heist movie LOL

[@UNKNOWNL3G3ND]

I think Walter did talk about his product being a product of following just basic chemistry, and the series also shows that a chemistry failure making a worse than sub-par product is then able to make something hundreds of times better than a lab with certified chemists just by following these steps.

[@WartimeFriction]

I know what NileRed is getting at. It's like being told what chemistry is by somebody who doesn't know anything about chemistry. I feel the same way a lot about most modern shows and movies about war, having been deployed myself.

[@Illuminat-ve5ue]

8:07 Plastic wouldn't just melt actually, for example bakelite is a plastic that wouldnt melt, but instead char as the structure is different

[@cww2490]

In BB didn't it become blue because they had to substitute something to make Meth?

[@ridiculoussinner4]

It's more because they used what the show described as methylmene (don't know if I spelled that right) instead of pure psudoephedren(?). So I guess Walt was using a more accurate formula but I don't think it would have made it blue on It's own. I think it was supposed to be just how well he cooks it, which isn't accurate to actual chemistry. But it makes it seem like he's just ridiculously good at chemistry and justifies why Gus would need him or why his product would be so good.

[@uwuLegacy]

@@ridiculoussinner4 the methylamine thing is just a different recipe I think

[@lusteraliaszero]

@@ridiculoussinner4 it wasn't to make it more pure it was to make the components easier to source, the purity just came from walter being competent

[@beatrizcosta9945]

As a forensic science grad, honestly yes just keep it simple, if you can keep it on your property that's ideal if there's nothing trying you to them. For example, there's a Scottish case where a man k*lled a woman 'because he wanted to know what it felt like' and just hid the body underneath the stairs of his building and luckily it was dry enough to mummify the body and it took years for someone to find out, only when his ex told a friend about it

[@KayKayon]

As a fellow forensics grad, I agree. Just keep it simple. I think people forget even the Acid Bath Murderer was convicted and hanged, and he attempted to dissolve his victims in acid.

[@lemons1559]

@@KayKayon what kinds of things do you look at and as such, what would go under the radar of forensics people?

[@KayKayon]

@@lemons1559 Not a lot can go under the radar forensics wise nowadays. The only constraint is technology.

[@techfan1017]

Crime and Punishment type ish

[@cnaizhen]

A question that is potentially stupid: is a bleach wipe down sufficient to remove DNA/evidence? Read/watched alot of random stories mentioning that, and I always wonder if it is true.

[@donkface8509]

The theory I have why movies or shows like this dont depict their methods very realidtically is that they dont actually want to teach the viewers how to do it. Like Sure pure Blue Meth is scientifically impossible, but you arent supposed to actually teach them how to make them in the first place lol

[@VaeSapiens]

As someone who had a lot of Chem labs in my Uni days. I would say that the main reason is that for most people chemical synthesis would be very boring. Ex. Some compounds have to be stirred/cooled/heated etc. for hours between steps. Meth is actually very easy to synthesize and as Nigel said anyone with undergraduate organic chemistry would figure it out easily. Clandestine chemistry is mostly very dirty and in Uni you learn how to purify everything (because they have the proper equipment to do so).

[@donkface8509]

@lukeskydive My point is that I think they purposefully did not make it realistic to avoid the viewers to actually try and attempt make actual Meth

[@lemons1559]

@@donkface8509 legal liability and publicity I guess. That lawsuit's never gonna go anywhere but someone trying to sue the makers of Breaking Bad because a kid tried making meth would be terrible PR.

[@manuelsputnik]

@@donkface8509 I don't think so, they flair it up just to make it more interesting/mystical. But even in the show, crackheads that dropped out of highschool just make meth quite easily, the trick is just making a large amounts of it without getting destroyed by the DEA.

[@Pyrokatze]

Hamilton morris showed complete Synthesis routs for mdma and many other illegal drugs on his show. Showing the accurate chemistry is just not appeling to the average person who watches the show. By showing only certain steps and making the meth blue they make it more interesting for the viewers. It looks professional enough to the average Person to be belivable but not as unspectecular as it is in reality.

[@Zelmel]

Man, I need to rewatch this episode.

[@vanishnobin9159]

i think if you own a metal refinery you can use it to dispose of bodies. turn it into slag and then store in barrel or throw in mining sludge reservoir like in brazil. volcano works too.

[@jayobsia4699]

He's so right about dealing with a dead body. The less you do, the better.

[@ryanread8617]

Does anyone know the name of the murderer Nigel mentioned? I'm interested in reading the case about it, see if he got justice or not.

[@nine9nine9]

I think it's been in a true crime video?

[@imam87783]

clicking this video out of curiosity has defo put me on a list

[@ThatOneGuySometime]

My college anthropology teacher (who was assistant to the county coroner) said that one of the best ways to dispose of a body is to drop them in the middle of a blackberry bramble patch. Apparently blackberry brambles decompose at a rate that creates a heat signature not dissimilar to the heat of human decomp, and basically no cadaver dog is gunna go into a giant bramble patch. Seems like a lot more effort than it’s worth though. Like, how you gunna put it there? Catapult? Helicopter? Crane? If you don’t want to have a body, the best way to deal with that is to simply not have a body to begin with.

[@C420sailor]

Trebuchet

[@gogl0l386]

I think the problem is that media often thinks that what is impressive in Science and Engineering is like what is impressive in Sports or the Arts; that there exists tasks that are impossible to do as an novice but trough practice and skill can be done. While in reality every task in Science should be easy to do because it needs to be reproducible. In reality what is impressive in science and engineering is the creativity in solving a new difficult problem (which can be achieved through knowing a lot or simply talent). The problem is that this can't be reproduced in media because if it truly was a solution for new problem, then they are actually doing science, which is not realistic or practical to do when your job is being a writer.

[@Drikkerbadevand]

In regards to the subject of the video, you'd actually want to use a base instead of acid, like sodium hydroxide, which rapidly decompose proteins.. It's so good at this it's literally used in the farming industry and in animal disposing to get rid of animal carcasses. It's much easier because NaOH is a solid, white powder you literally just sprinkle it on top and the humidty and rain etc. will help dissolve the body quickly. Also I want to watch Nilered answer your question but without the 3 of you screaming, interrupting and laughing hysterically every other sentence.

[@jonathanbuzzard1376]

Or you could use biological washing power which would leave just the bones, teeth and any metal parts like fillings and joint replacements etc. At that point just chuck the bones on a fire and have a genuine bonfire.

[@jonathan2847]

Same as when people talk about "hacking" in media.

[@rush-zk1ts]

Exactly one of the reasons I got into programming is to know how to hack I have done html and css which isn't much but still it's something and now I ask a new question what is hacking the only thing I know how to do is to inspect a website 😂😂😂

[@JFarenci]

NileGreen is going to have a FIELD DAY with these bytes

[@Cryogenx37]

If you tuned to the rest of the episode, you'll hear that NileGreen stopped and talked about why

[@phaeste]

MrGreen stopped like i months ago and won't do parodies of Nigel anymore, not only because he actually wants to make other content but also because it is a liability for Nigel

[@0Ciju0]

Lmao, his experience with people looking into Chemistry is like me with Cybersecurity and "hacking"

[@newage6924]

It's basic chemistry jesse. Walt said it himself 1:03

[@gabi4593]

Lmao what the hell is popping up in my feed from these guys "how to cook meth" "how to hide a dead body"

[@hot_wheelz]

What Nigel is talking about at the beginning of the video is that people tend towards romanticising their view of alot of things they know little about and when doing so they willfully suspend the normal checks and balances of daily life. So they imagine how cool being a skilled chemist would be without any real understanding of what that role actually involves.

[@01Ichirei10]

so basically people are hyping it up and setting themselves for disappointment.

[@hot_wheelz]

@@01Ichirei10 essentially yes.

[@Fabioqwertzuiop]

Just a lil tip for all of you in need. If you are near a coast driving off on the sea and dumping the body with weights is a pretty reliable way to dispose a body. They rarly get washed up.

[@thecloneguyz]

This is the exact thought pattern I would expect from somebody who doesn't put much effort into what he's doing and ends up getting caught How anyone would think there's any better than dissolving it an acid I will never understand I can get bags of LYE from Home Depot and you'll be gone in 6 months

[@trump45and2zig-zags]

Pigs will eat a body in 6 hours

[@lemons1559]

That weight might come off some time so cutting open the victim's gut helps too. Gases can build up inside and make the corpse very buoyant but making holes in the corpse lets that gas escape.

[@sinister13k]

I feel like when he was saying about people making doctors and chemists look like gods, he meant like yes if you have no knowledge of said field it looks like wizardry, but as he is a chemist maybe he see's it so over sensationalised to people, so when they talk like its some crazy thing to do something as purification, he's almost bursting the idealistic bubble that chem is all dungeons and potions with the magic dust and test tube and vials haha

[@ivyssauro123]

The end of this cut reminds me of Columbo, the takeaway from a lot of episodes is that a perfect alibi and super complicated plan is normally more incriminating cause it's just too high effort and coincidental to pass unnoticed. I didn't know I needed a podcast witg Nile this much until now.

[@Prosyy]

I have an answer to this question myself. My love for breaking bad in my teens led me to realize I was fascinated by chemistry and I'm now working my through school focusing on pharmacology. So I think it's done pretty good just by getting me to the real thing.

[@OneBorko]

Another great tutorial by Nigel! Thanks!

[@tbounds4812]

the amount you guys laughed did my head in cause i just wanted to hear nilered speak lol

[@Ruckus45]

Somehow my dad got ahold of a decent amount of hydrochloric acid when I was a kid and decided it was a good idea to use it clean a clogged drain. Well, it wasn't clogged anymore

[@zaleww5824]

there is a manga called my home hero and it clearly made a close to perfect murderer lol. he boiled the corpse to fat dissolves then sent only half of it with toilet after mincing it since it will clog the toilet then bought bacteria that is used for organic planting and buried what's left in a pot in his house and hide the bones then put all the crimes on someone later. ngl story is really good except second half it hets kinda weird but still gets crazy

[@helck1153]

^ This had an amime now for anyone just finding this comment

[@zaleww5824]

@@helck1153 they are skipping a lot but bot unwatchable

[@AndreInfanteInc]

Honestly it's cool how interested they are in what he's saying. Reminds me a lot of college where someone with an interesting specialization would get on a tear and you'd have half a dozen nerds from other fields sitting around them asking questions.

[@FrootNinja]

The way he talks about chem and the mass media version is like cyber security and hacking. But also sounds like national parks are a way to hide bodies.

[@TheDarkstormy]

There was a contract killer in the NY-NJ-Penn area in the mid 10's who just dumped corpses in the Catskills, for his own preferance next to anthills. They never got him for his own stuff, but one of the Mobster's who'd hired him gave him up.

[@jmd9402]

nigel is the most ethical mad scientist I've seen

[@RealShoure]

This is just what I was looking for… Thanks for the info!

[@YTHandlesBlow]

I remember learning crystallization for elementary science fair and went from there. Stuff like that was always fun.

[@colechild-phillips7182]

There are industrial blenders with drains, and there are also industrial microwaves for drying lumber and such things have been used by the mafia 13:39

[@bao1964]

Breaking Bad for chemists is like The Queen Gambit for chess players, Whiplash for musical professionals, Grey's Anatomy for doctors...... and so on.

[@DogeMultiverse]

Big bang for physicists

[@Lo-opss]

80% of chess player thought queens gambit was cool, and every musician I know loves whiplash, I don't know what you on

[@theroomofwall1162]

This is the only podcast channel I'm able to watch

[@User-A-L-E-X]

The first time Walt does meth, Jesse gets hyped saying it super pure and Walt answers saying he used basic chemistry.

[@User-A-L-E-X]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/l3a0faJvpp6frrc&feature=share9 Around 1:15

[@JDrapic]

I live in Nevada. It's like 85% empty public land. We maintain maps online on the dirt trails you can take across the entire state. You can get from top to bottom almost entirely on dirt roads. It's very easy to find and get to an empty patch of desert that no one would even think to dig up, and with the sandy soil, pretty much all the evidence you've been digging goes away with the next windy day