The Real Story Behind How Our New Tacoma Broke & How Toyota Plans To Fix Yours!

[@MrCh1cken]

What I just heard boils down to: we won't make it stronger, we will limit torque and capability. IMHO, not a good answer.

[@xziang]

What i thought too fix will be a software update because driveline can't take it.

[@Bob3519]

Exactly

[@petebusch9069]

They didn't fix anything and took away the capability of an advertised and sold feature.

[@BlueDually4x4]

This is a great example of why I will never make it as a real journalist, I would have laughed in his face. Dude wasn't prepared in the slightest to explain the situation, sound like he was half panicked the entire time. The correct fix is stronger components, not adjusting the computer nanny more. Honestly TFL is doing a better job convincing me to stay away from new trucks, then to run out and buy a new truck.

[@Jeff-sh4kx]

So build a 4WD truck that will break if you actually take it Offroad. But it’s ok, because most customers won’t take it offroad.

[@vhateverlie]

The only offroading we expect is when the customer hits the curb in the Starbucks drive through 😒

[@BigAltimaEnergy719]

Having something that weak and underbuilt is unacceptable, it didn't used to be this way...

[@MisterMikeTexas]

​@vhateverlie Watch it! It might break!

[@kylenice2470]

This response is honestly sad and surprising. He gives us the run around on how unique the situation is and how unlikely it ever happens to anyone else and THEN has the AUDACITY to make the fix about de-tuning the software instead of increasing the strength of the components. Shocking stuff from a company that once claimed to make things 'overbuilt.' This is the exact opposite of 'overbuilt.' I'm not mad it broke im mad at this response.

[@lloydswartz7354]

Total bull shit. Should be designed to handle all possible torque! Freaking designed to be babied by software? That means it's hugely under engineered. I get it, add 35" tires cvs snap. In this case it can't handle small, stock tires and light off roading with out software saving it? And light duty highway traction control sent too much torque to a wheel by slamming breaks ? This is bad...

[@LawFarin]

Redesigning and changing specs of parts cost a ton of money. A simple software detune to fix the problem cost them very little. It all boils down to poor engineering. Which is why he is being pulled from is position and going to Japan for training.

[@austinwade3194]

@@LawFarin the present cost for a software update will be nearly nothing, but the future cost of their reputation and the loss of potential buyers could be astronomical.

[@jadoriffic]

So, as long as I don't need to use my truck for its intended purpose, I should be good.

[@missouritruckinbear9865]

I have the first year of the redesign Nissan Frontier, 2022. No issues whatsoever. I’ve taken it off road many times in similar conditions. Nothing has broken or went wrong in 19,000 miles! I’m very happy I didn’t go with any of the other competitors. All I see this video by TFL as…Damage control

[@drivewayhero]

Nissan marketing team in the comments 😂

[@briancoleman971]

Agree but that was a more minor redesign compared to this. Still no excuses. My 2003 Ram was the 1st year of the Hemi and it is going strong with 230k miles and still no serious problems

[@LawFarin]

While watching this video I actually got a frontier commercial. It said “Frontier wins” too dam funny

[@missouritruckinbear9865]

@@drivewayhero Lol, just a Frontier owner 👍🏻

[@ramaswamynarayanaswamy4806]

That year does not have MDS either...500K to a million miles is very feasible.

[@chuckwalla2967]

The contributing vehicle settings he described as rare is actually very common in off-road situations. Bottom line is that components are not sturdy enough handle the load.

[@marv8481]

So the limitations of the drive train was exceeded by driving on an icy surface with very little traction? Yup, I guess I’ll stay away from the new Tacomas.

[@clarkkent9080]

Is this the same engineer that said the new Taco mechanical's were designed to heavy duty truck standards? Trying to get up my driveway in the winter would put more stress on that truck than TFL did when the transfer case failed on that bunny slope It would be nice if TFL would get as upset with Toyota as any normal person would , had this happened to them.

[@ConfirmedPatriot]

Thank you TFL and all other YT reviewers for holding car manufacturers to a higher standard ! God Bless🙏🤙🤘

[@DirtE30]

Thanks Sheldon for the honest breakdown! Very very much appreciate it! TFL, awesome content!

[@jasonperry7970]

I want TFL to drive a Sienna, yes, Toyota's own front wheel drive minivan, up the same trail section and see what happens. You might get stuck, but I'll bet it wouldn't break.

[@remsterx]

Agreed or rav4 neither would

[@doom4067]

As long as it's an early enough model year. They could try it in a Corolla or Camry, too. I spun tires on a 2006 corolla once, and nothing broke. If they did that, they would just claim that conditions weren't exactly the same due to the variables in snowfall.

[@luigimassello4357]

The real picture told here is what happens when you build in countries with lower mechanical standards, use lower quality compromised parts/engineering standards,have safety standards compromised &then raise prices . What a fabulous business model guys . It really sucks being a loyal lover of TOYOTA these days. Also any fool knows when you turbo any engine your wear & tear is massively increased depending on boost level. Double turbo increase it double of potential long term issues regarding reliability. Bring back v6 non aspirated please.

[@vettle1]

You mean *naturally aspirated.

[@luigimassello4357]

@@vettle1 whatever you an English teacher? Point taken 😉

[@benpinter1988]

If a 1.7% higher than rated load or force can break a part mechanically, then that part is undersized. What happened to safety margins?

[@triedproven9908]

They forget what factor of safety means. I'd hate to see what the fatigue and wear duration is on a part that can't handle 1% over max torque.

[@humorss]

Yes, it is stock, and it can't handle the default tire.

[@jyharris]

You can't fix that with a software release, unless you take even more torque away, a lot more! Not very functional!

[@trailrunnah8886]

Truck King just dropped a video where they broke a 6-speed Taco, they noted that the manual transmission Tacoma is rated at eight fewer foot pounds of torque than the automatic. They said the Toyota engineer told them that the transmission did not have The torque capacity for the whole number. So 8 lb is going to make that big of a difference? Tells me that the transmission is too weak to begin with with zero safety margin.

[@BassRacerx]

@@humorss there was no traction tires were not a factor. it sent torque to a wheel that had the brakes clamped shut.

[@joejr9653]

He keeps saying transmission because thats your next big problem

[@LawFarin]

This was my thought too. Especially since they claim they had to de-tune the manual transmission several HP because it was exceeding its rating

[@kevencouch3291]

It's already happened, there's another channel that's had problems

[@John_Redcorn_]

A bit of a Freudian slip on his part

[@diz_guy47]

​@@kevencouch3291 truck king

[@symple19]

damn I was thinking this too

[@robmd3851]

Toyota wouldn’t do any of this for anyone but a KZbin channel to save face. Regular customers would likely be denied warranty without any communication whatsoever.

[@Dwealdric]

Look at Truck King, a smaller KZbinr being instantly blamed by Toyota for their Tacoma breaking.

[@kevinwest1607]

He obviously money shifted that truck. Most transmission will explode when shifting from fifth to first and dumping the clutch lol

[@cheesehead91182]

This

[@nighthawktheflyingspur]

💯

[@jonsaircond8520]

These guys have zero credibility to me in this case with Toyota

[@marcnemergut9490]

Sounds like the drivetrain is designed to the bare minimum.

[@triedproven9908]

Spec'd the drivetrain to the old taco's with less weight and less power. Snap.

[@RonRussell-sj1zf]

exceeded design by 1.7% is what I heard, that's pretty minimal.

[@ryanb8736]

Unfortunately, inflation has made them change to cheaper suppliers. This is the end result.

[@RedWingsninetyone]

​@@ryanb8736it's the same part that was in the 3rd Gen. It's not a "cheaper supplier."

[@matthewgaines10]

They had insufficient margin in that design.

[@cactusmanbwl1990]

Between this and the Tundra engines destroying themselves, it seems modern Toyota's reliablity is pretty suspect.

[@TheAnnoyingBoss]

Corollas a lot worse than they used to be

[@johnb4183]

@@TheAnnoyingBoss problems with Corollas as well ?

[@loudandclearmedia]

REALLY long-winded way to essentially say new Taco isn't as tough as old Taco. Heard ya.

[@allenserfass5312]

Toyota basically said they built a weak 4wd system.

[@alanmay7929]

no

[@Land_Raver]

Yes

[@tylough]

He said it purposely has a planned failure torque limit. The scenario TFL encountered was outside what Toyota encountered during development. Toyota responded with updated software. I'd say that's a better response than GM had when the air bags went off on TFLs Colorado ZR2.

[@jeffforbes70]

works for subaru

[@allenserfass5312]

@@jeffforbes70 How are you comparing a Subaru to a pickup truck? Sadly from the looks of it, Subaru may have a stronger 4wd system.

[@southinx]

No Tacoma or Tundra for me in the next 3-4 years. The quality has gone to pieces for this new generation.

[@Wellh0wrya]

Toyota ironically increased the cost of the truck while diminishing quality of the product

[@Kjhgr01]

They have to pad themselves for all the repairs they will have to pay under warranty.

[@thomasassim-ita1787]

Absolutely agree. It's a shame that car manufacturer's put consumers through this. Why are we paying for poor quality vehicles?

[@drn13355]

Yes no Toyota in history ever broke even once. My old 2014 Taco had 3 warranty repairs before 36k miles.

[@Wellh0wrya]

@@drn13355 If Toyotas mindset was building a quality truck, they would have made the differential strong enough for any setting and anticipate user error when selecting application…. they take the longest to redesign with the expectations they test and redesign a superior quality product

[@HiPlains1]

What I got out of this is the design is similar but the differential can't handle the increased torque of this motor. So they will use "software" as a governor of such to reduce energy to the wheels as its already too late to beef up the the design of the front diff. And this being a non hybrid with less torque. Really looking like the design is under built. The engineer admitted they will have to limit that torque with software. In a public relations statement he tries not to admit as much but when one dissects through all the word salad of this guy its points to the underpinnings being under built all day long and twice on Sundays. And what about all the reports of the rear diff overheating? Does this not have a proper trans intercooler?

[@ryanvanlandschootd.c.671]

So sad how far Toyota has fallen.

[@donleamon8653]

Wow. A de-tune in 4lo is their answer. Not the same Toyota that built my 80 Series.

[@trailrunnah8886]

I think the 80 series was peak Toyota 4x4. Everything else has been inferior. I guess that explains why the '80s values keep going up, I've been keeping my eyes open for a while and now it seems like you need 20k to for a decent unlocked version. My buddy in CA bought his rust-free triple locked 93 6 years ago for 6.5k, I'm so jealous.

[@Jay-me7gw]

Almost every truck limits throttle input in 4Lo. I’ve tuned 3-4 trucks from a diesel Jeep to and F150 to a GX460 and now my LX570. All of them have different maps for 4Lo

[@atodaso1668]

@@Jay-me7gw those are all newer vehicles and probably automatics. Toyotas of old you could red line clutch drop in 4 low and not have issues.

[@Jay-me7gw]

@@atodaso1668 Maybe if it was a cable driven throttle but even manual trucks with electronic throttle can be torque limited. Also, the trucks you were talking about are already detuned. My 22RE 4Runner made like 7 ft-lbs of torque.

[@Jay-me7gw]

@@trailrunnah8886 IDK. The 100 and 200 series are still extremely rugged trucks and extremely capable despite going to IFS. The diffs, tie rods and CV’s on a 200 series are really stout and you don’t hear to much about failures like on Tacoma/4Runner/GX. And not only that but they are a lot more versatile. You can hook up an 8000 lb trailer to a 200 and tow it well. The 80 series can’t do that.

[@MrApplesaucestuff]

you shouldn't be complaining. Now toyota offers a truck attached to their 11 inch computer screen. Everyone asked for it.

[@Mark_Thompson]

You mean 14 inch

[@fit4ya1975]

I actually miss my CD player.

[@Revy8]

Let's not shift blame. It's not the interior designers fault. It the engineers n accountants that designed the engine n tranny

[@MrApplesaucestuff]

@@Revy8 following logic chains is not not that hard. Company allocates certain amount of money for new model development. When more money is spent on 14 inch screens and gimmicks inside your cabin, less money goes to things you don’t see or care about until they break , like transmission.

[@wayned3137]

14

[@brandonrides8953]

Not something you need to worry about....but TFL had it happen doing much lighter off-roading than Toyota markets their Tacoma for.

[@beexiong2995]

You didn't pay attention. It was a traction problem because of the ice that contributed to this case in the programming of the mts system that led to the failure. Too much brake and torque at that specific programming that broke it.

[@96kylar]

@@beexiong2995 LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[@brandonrides8953]

@@beexiong2995 cope and shill harder

[@technom3598]

That's fine... Stay ignorant​@@96kylar

[@gasauto1675]

​@@beexiong2995I want to translate: to less quality in important parts, Toyota is only for Roads, not Offroads😅 my old GM Tahoe is not perfect, but it never failed offroad or towing 😅

[@TheCoffeeField]

Love this, design it for minimum use, build it in Mexico, cut cost and increase price. If this is not a recipe for success I don’t know what is.

[@psynurse]

They have been manufacturing in Mexico for nearly 20 yrs

[@TheCoffeeField]

@@psynurse then it shouldn’t be shit with plastic creaky interior then

[@butchgreene]

I worked for Continental Teves when they originally tried moving automotive brake foundation production to Mexico. It was a disaster. Quality Control, pride of craftsmanship, attention to detail of workers on the line, reporting issues immediately before they get down the line, personally removing damaged/subpar piece parts from your supply rather than installing them and saying nothing…on and on. Precision manufacturing & meeting even basic ISO 9000 production quality wasn’t possible b/c no one had ever been taught that. Shut the whole place down after less than 2 yrs.

[@joseeduardo4327]

@@psynurseI think the point he’s trying to make is that they keep doing things to decrease the cost of the truck (lesser quality parts and cheaper labor) but ask more than anyone for a midsize truck. It is less capable for payload, power, towing vs other manufacturers and still costs more. Upsetting (3rd gen owner here)

[@DontCryAboutIt]

You can't teach a whole population of workers a concept so foreign to them.

[@Terrapinstation20]

Go check out the clutch dropping from Truck King. Basically, Toyota is saying in both cases, it’s not really their fault.

[@brucey5585]

I saw it. It was TK dropping the gear to 1st. You can tell from 90kmh it revved to almost readline. They tried to shift into 1st gear. But the transmission must be crap build for it to just blow from that. I have done that to 07 civic si downshifting and bouncing redline. It still work today.

[@BigAltimaEnergy719]

I heard they detuned the engine with the manual because they "couldn't control your right foot", turns out the transmission is weak and underbuilt they didn't have to do that in the previous gen smh

[@davidwethington9320]

​@@brucey5585 they tried to down shift from 5th to 3rd. Toyota said they shifted into first. 5th to 1st? Without redlining? Uh huh.

[@IDontKnow-bb6mt]

You did not watch it or you would not say that. They dropped from 5 to 3 plain to see on video ​@@brucey5585

[@BrianSmith-si4zd]

That was there fault seen it a dozen times on 6 speed toyotas

[@kevbecker672]

He keeps accidentally saying transmission because.....You know....That and the rear end are having problems...

[@levicharles996]

So Toyota needs to hire KZbinrs to test thier trucks instead of engineers for durability testing haha

[@doom4067]

Funny thing: I don't see any of their test models breaking. Just the production trucks.

[@brucey5585]

​@doom4067 it is called real world test. Your engineer isn't going to drive like an everyday american.

[@cheesecakemilkshake8043]

It's become where the engineers are pressured to pass it with low quality components and try NOT to break it to gain passes and move production along ...then the real worlder breaks it Years ago you'd say this was the opposite....when they're name was worth they're rip off resale prices.... This is the modern day philosophy of most brands now....even ones who's names people swore by ..

[@C-M-E]

@@cheesecakemilkshake8043 Unfortunately engineers are not in control of whether anything gets the stamp of approval, it's accounting. Engineers by de facto operating DNA want to Overdesign a product to be as tough and venerable as modern materials will allow. What happens in modern times is the bean counters say "We need to hit this price quotient for 900,000 parts, and your design is too expensive. Bring it back when you can produce it for .15 cents less." Sometimes it's a complete redesign, sometimes it's a material exchange from a good, strong alloy to cast garbage.

[@angelgjr1999]

They’re assembled in Mexico. Not sure how the engineers test them

[@A-Brax]

So the Tacoma exceeded its limit by 1.7% and the Colorado went up it just fine?!?!?!

[@latindoggy8059]

What the hell is the drive system gonna do when you tow something😂

[@wzpu3283]

​@@latindoggy8059very little.

[@spuzzum100]

So.......be really careful driving this "truck". Don't put larger wheels on. Dont put more than 100lbs in the bed. Only have 1 passenger. Use the brakes and accelerator gently. Otherwise the 1.7% threshold will be crossed resulting in failure of drivetrain components and a visit to the Toyota garage where you hope you still have warranty on it.

[@David-mt7tj]

The best part is... Tacoma fanboys were reveling in the new gen being able to take larger tires w/o a bodychop.

[@donnovicki9771]

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with BS. Works every time.

[@ryanb8736]

Just claim user error. Thats what they did.

[@pathunter7003]

@@ryanb8736 apparently a couple inches of snow, a little ice, not much of a stress on the 4x4 system when in these conditions is Toyota’s krptonite

[@shiftymcgee9359]

Why not? If it’s good enough for government.

[@Justmejbful]

​@pathunter7003 little friction from the tires but lots of torque from engine together with braking from traction control. It was a low friction event but not a low stress event

[@smokinbutts2]

My 97 4 runner doesn’t have these problems

[@DrewPeabawls]

I must express my disapproval of the recent explanation given for the component failure in the off-road vehicle, citing the conditions as being too tough. In my opinion, these conditions were normal and standard for off-road use, and the vehicle should not have broken under such circumstances. It's concerning that a vehicle designed for rugged terrain cannot withstand typical off-road challenges. This raises serious questions about the reliability and durability of the vehicle's design and construction.

[@Darclay24]

Right. His rare instance described was a very typical situation.

[@chris-qo1nt]

Toyota under built the front differential and is blaming TFL…

[@jasonperry7970]

This failure is going to keep used prices up for a long time and sell a lot of Frontier's, ZR2s, and Jeeps.

[@doom4067]

They seem to be advertising that the TRD off road works fine as long as you don't take it off road.

[@hellodrjeckyl]

But they exceeded it by 1.7%! 😂😂

[@secondcreekworkshop3908]

Toyota has basically lost the sole reason to buy a Toyota, reliability and simplicity.

[@ScoobyFermentation]

SavageGeese spilled the beans already in their Tacoma video.

[@WoolyNips]

I like how he said it too 😂

[@icosthop9998]

I got to check it out

[@cooverbennett4383]

Funny sheldon didn't tell roman they needed to idiot proof it like he told Jack Singapore

[@kellynguyen5119]

Toyota vehicles are now over priced unreliable junk. What a shame.

[@es.design]

So the front diff components are too weak on the new Tacoma. Thanks!

[@nlken7175]

Still sounds like a weak point in the front differential. Glad I don't own one because driving and towing in snowy conditions I feel it would break.

[@volvo09]

Yeah, that was a very little traction scenario and it broke.

[@doom4067]

They weren't even towing and it broke as soon as they hit some snow on a light incline.

[@jimmy-buffett]

Remember guys, it also broke in 4 low where the power is amplified by gearing. And with an offroad mode turned on. In 2H/4H on the road the powertrain isn't going to be nearly as stressed.

[@vettle1]

​@@jimmy-buffett excuses excuses...

[@Thepulsewidth]

The “Truck King” channel Canada also broke their 2024 Tacoma by SIMPLY DOWNSHIFTING TO A LOWER GEAR!! All these failures in addition to the Tundra ENGINE RECALL makes me wonder what’s going on with Toyota !

[@Whiskeybende]

On another KZbin channel the Tacoma TRD off-road with 6 speed manual transmission didn't make it through the review either. The clutch gave out on straight pavement. No hills, no load it just gave out. At this point I wouldn't trust Toyota to make toilet paper.

[@oscarbolton5193]

Notice he said transmission many times by accident. It is common knowledge the new Tacos are having manual transmission issues as well. I'd avoid buying any new design until all the bugs are worked out.

[@pgilb70]

Yup, piss weak drive line without sufficient redundancy.

[@davidjernigan8161]

Toyota cost cutting to maximize profit while relying all the normies to still believe in toyota reliability.

[@bobman717]

North American made Toyotas have never been reliable. Same problem Honda has with their NA made vehicles.

[@bjsimon802]

My toyota are all over 13 years, this is a new model. And cars are man made , they break down. Even the best and most reliable cars. Nothing is going to be the same while the govt hijacks the cars companies over emissions. Wake up. YOu next cars is electric if these people are not stopped. Part and supplies are hijacked with higher cost. It is attack against the car industry for full electric

[@hochhaul]

Record profits last year. First the 3rd gen Tundra has engine failures left and right, which Toyota responds by doing the cheapest thing possible by having the dealer fill the bay with 1000 pieces of your expensive new Tundra so Jim the service tech can build you an engine with a short block and old engine parts. Now Toyota is cost-cutting the drivetrain of the 4th gen Tacoma and insisting that it's the fault of the driver when the driveline fails doing something that any Tacoma sold up until now would have zero issues doing. They cost-cut the driveline to the point where exceeding their software limits by 1.7% means broken parts.

[@John_Redcorn_]

@@bobman717arent all the parts still designed in japan tho? (probably not the new trucks but everything else i imagine is). I had an Accord that was built here but the driveline i believe still said japan on it. I could be wrong. Then again that doesnt mean anything either: I had a Mazda cx-5 made 100% in japan (hiroshima) and i had the low rpm/idle fuel pump go bad with less than 20k miles. Dealership was baffled, said they had NEVER saw one go bad. A fluke or poor quality parts manufacturing? Who knows 🤷‍♂️

[@ramaswamynarayanaswamy4806]

Moral of the story- buy an IZUZU D MAX.

[@blobster1111]

Dont buy if you're unhappy literally the only way these giants will learn

[@Cloud30000]

‘We don’t endorse OR SUPPORT putting larger tires on a Tacoma” - Toyota

[@bo_knows]

Was kind of weird how he brought that up unprompted. Very telling unfortunately.

[@beexiong2995]

No manufacturer does unless it's a specific special model like a pro or trailhunter. Thats how they make epa numbers 😂. They won't purposely say we built this truck with 13 mpg in mind

[@triedproven9908]

That big tire's gonna multiply resistance at the tire all of a sudden it's a tire brake. Snap!

[@red.riot.2280]

Do they know who buys their product?? I think their sales are gonna drop hardcore. Starting with the tundra. Next will be the Tacoma..

[@trailrunnah8886]

Meanwhile, Jeep designed the JL/JT with the expectation that the owner would put 35s -37s on it.

[@doc72]

I have been a loyal Toyota customer for decades. These recent recalls, quality control issues, lame explanations and increase in prices will make me look at other car brands.

[@ConfirmedPatriot]

How about Truck King's manual clutch issue they just had. They blamed Truck King, but I think they just don't want more bad press for the highly priced Tacoma.

[@doom4067]

And Truck King waited for toyota's permission to talk about it. I just watched that video, and it seems like they would have noticed right away if the dad had shifted from fifth to first, instead of third.

[@Boobtube.]

I'm not sticking up for toyota, but it is very possible Truck King Pop hit 1st gear during the downshift. Only way to know for sure is to have someone more familiar with the shifter try several 5th to 3rd downshifts and see if it grenades or not. If it does not,well than, Pops blew up the clutch, period.

[@SiuLeung]

Do you think they paid him off to take the blame?

[@hourbee5535]

Don’t let Toyota’s marketing team swindle you into buying one of these piles

[@technom3598]

So stupid

[@doom4067]

TFL sold theirs. That say a LOT.

[@grizzly311tr]

@@doom4067 they sell everything. they're journalists not collectors. what did you think it said "a LOT" about?

[@Fernando-t8g]

They sold it too soon.​@@grizzly311tr

[@camcom76]

I love mine. Have you any of of you haters actually driven one? Or do you just go by what the internets say? I had a 2016 trd OR. My new 2024 trd OR makes me enjoy driving again. Flame away but I am just sharing my experience. My 2016 was so weak it would not consistently stay at 70 on the interstate. Totally reliable though. Just super weak. Like that when I bought it new.

[@nismomike3182]

Toyota would have never done this podcast if the Tacoma sales weren't way down. This is damage control, not transparency. Multiple reviewers have broke them during moderate stress scenarios. Not to mention the trans overheating issues.

[@planoman0935]

Sounds like sales are doing ok to me. We will see 1st half numbers soon.

[@nismomike3182]

@planoman0935 Tacoma started delivering in Q4 2023 aside from iForce Max. Q1 2024 sales were down almost 60%. Some of that is also due to not delivering any iForce Max models. But just like the Tundra, only 10-15% of Tacoma buyers will opt for the iForce Max. So we will see what Q2 looks like, but all signs point to down 30-35%.

[@Jay-me7gw]

@@nismomike3182 That’s because, just like the Tundra, the iForce max will be lame. Minimal mpg improvements and no improvement for freeway towing.

[@planoman0935]

@@nismomike3182 very few 4th gen Tacomas delivered in 2023 plus those sales would have been booked for 2023. It was expected to be down 60% because it was a new gen and they had to retool plants etc. The Ranger was down over 80% of a much lower number for the same reason. The fact that you are not seeing huge deals for July 4 with 0% interest etc tell me they are on track at least here where I live. Unlike lil Kenny, I don’t see tons of Tacoma’s on the lots in DFW. The off roads and sports get sold fairly quickly here. Also Tacoma sold short of 300k in 2023 and Toyota sold almost 12 million vehicles. That’s 2.5% of their volume. I think the sales of the Tacoma’s with iforce max will surprise to the upside.

[@SLHJR0390]

@@planoman0935 Tacoma sales are downh 60 % dude. Are you serious.

[@saltymethods2637]

Toyota builds junk now.

[@MickeyR6]

The first Red Flag for me is that they De tuned the engines for the Manual Transmission variations. They themselves said it. They can't control your right foot when releasing that clutch. "snapping drive train components. Transmissions overheating also a problem. The list will go on with time.

[@davew657]

Don't support or suggest using larger tires? Hold on, hold on. I could swear I saw engineer Sheldon from Toyota and others from Toyota and even TFL pointing out about how they made the wheel-wells larger to accommodate larger tires.

[@FloEvans]

Doesn’t the trail hunter come stock with larger tires?

[@chillislives]

Just wait until the Tuners get a hold of it. Pop bang boom!

[@reeree405]

Great point

[@troyh9223]

Long story short. IT'S JUNK!

[@psynurse]

Every new Gen has issues. Toyota has always corrected. All brands go through this

[@TermlessHGW]

​@@psynurse Yes but these issues vary in severity. And what the new Tundra and Taco have are big, mechanical problems.

[@drivewayhero]

@@TermlessHGWthen dont buy one right now. After they fix it ppl will be like good job toyota

[@TermlessHGW]

@@drivewayhero I won't and most likely never will. Was in the market for a midsize back in 2019 and test drove 'em all. Taco drives and feels like you're in a piece of farming equipment. Plus yet another video of a broken Taco dropped by Truck King. What are the chances...... one thing that Toyota had going for them is reliability............

[@hikenmikes8262]

@@TermlessHGWtaco sounds so bud light

[@pedrocaballero1497]

This is TOTAL DAMAGE CONTROL! How many regular Non-KZbin people have gone through this and gotten the same level of attention? Toyota needs to quit cutting corners and get back to building much better and stronger systems in their vehicles. Maybe the mindset might be that if they break more often it justifies the income streams due to repairs. The public doesn’t need to be their testing and proving grounds.

[@Phong7080]

So he tried to sugar coat his long explanation with all the technical terminologies. In the end it was actually simple. The part was not designed to handle that kind of load. Here is my simple solution for Toyota - Design your part better.

[@garysarratt1]

Exceeded the limit by 1.7%.

[@RaysVideoChannel1]

Crazy that they cut it that close. These kinds of breakages are damaging to their reputation.

[@planoman0935]

Exceeded the failure limit by 1.7% not the safety margin limit. Would love to know the rpm and torque at moment of failure.

[@SpaceTech54]

That is the Funniest Statement of the entire Video.. Something would snap at 20% or 30% but 1 - NOPE

[@TheCree2010]

The SPEED that he talks reminds me of me when I panicked answer 😂 Buddy is just word vomiting trying to remember Toyota PR talking points

[@dr.lefort1596]

We called this pressured speech in psychiatry

[@gregmgm06]

So true!!

[@shiftmotorsports9803]

Freudian slip saying "transmission" instead of "differential". Apparently there have been more transmission issues than differential issues. Buyer beware

[@nm-qt2hb]

Save that for the next upcoming video?

[@Treetopflyer777]

I saw that too. You could tell he knew he did it too

[@briancoleman971]

Exactly what I was thinking. He did it at least twice. Probably because transmission issues popping up are on his mind.

[@DUNEATV]

He keeps saying transmission because they’re having all kinds of transmission problems also!

[@jsbcody]

Hmm, no wonder I got what I originally paid for it on my trade in for 2023 Tacoma. Now glad I got a 5th Gen 4Runner. Also, the several times the Toyota guy misspoke transmission, probably means there are also transmission issues too.

[@jwltiger3357]

Here’s the main issue with his answer…you could run a gladiator rubicon through this same thing in 4lo, at peak torque etc, and it would not break because it’s built up beefier. The issue shouldn’t be software to make the car less capable, it should be more robust mechanical components to withstand the situation, but they won’t do this because of cost. Not saying jeeps computers are reliable, but certainly it wouldn’t break under the exact same situations, nor would many other if any other competitors

[@triedproven9908]

Correct.

[@beexiong2995]

No such thing as unbreakable.

[@Jay-me7gw]

@@beexiong2995did he say that? He said in that situation.

[@fleshharrowerx9894]

And the Gladiator is a solid front axle like all Jeep Wranglers, you trade off strength offroad for poorer ride quality on the street with a Jeep.

[@ColeSpolaric]

A jeep isn't using software when you put in 4 low. It's purely mechanical.

[@budt525]

NEVER buy the first year or 2 of a redesign. These Tacomas and Tundras are completely unreliable( just look at the recalls). Look at all the powertrain problems.

[@TheModerateMillenial]

Not the video freezing as he is about to say the problem. 😂😂😂 Even the WiFi was like: yea I will not participate in this lie.

[@furmanmackey5479]

Mine absolutely refused to participate!!

[@danvesa1182]

this was a word salad to confuse . sound's like a politician not wanting to take responsibility for a sub par product .

[@riphawk67]

So these are now built to the lowest possible standards, got it.

[@MissouriAdventures]

As a hard core Land Cruiser guy, I’ve never felt more validated. With the way the rest of the Toyota truck line in the US apparently has gone to crap, this video speaks to life that Toyota has taken the cheap road. Never would a 80,100,200 series ever be concerned with this happening. This was a MINOR off road use case when your Tacoma broke. No thanks. I’ll stick to a true Land Cruiser. They’re built to a much higher standard than a Tacoma or even a 250 series Land Cruiser.

[@ramaswamynarayanaswamy4806]

The LC300 is failing at an alarming rate enginewise I had a 2019 LC as a rental and it was VERY UNDERPOWERED...constantly struggled to move.

[@ExpeditionaryRanger]

Love this new world we live in where the ability of your truck to maintain its mechanical integrity is contingent upon the software engineers ability to code correctly and anticipate every possible input/output scenario.

[@wertyuhgt44watcher39]

Jesus feel like this guy is selling me steaks out of the back of his Tacoma

[@tommyg857]

Truck King just released a video, two hours before this one dropped. The clutch let go during an aggressive, on-road downshift. Toyota said the only explanation was that the guy messed up and shifted from 5th to 1st, instead of 3rd. TRD OFF-ROAD model. Doesn’t give a lot of off-road confidence.

[@jyharris]

Saw that. The truck didn't even red line. Why wasn't 1st locked out anyway at the speed. TuRD!

[@glbennett66]

From what I saw, the clutch was depressed and when trying to put it in gear it was grinding. And the clutch never came off the floor, so that tells me it never disengaged.

[@briancoleman971]

Just watched that

[@doom4067]

It seems to me that the driver would notice right away if he went to first instead of third. Even if he had, one shift like that should kill a transmission. Forced limp mode, maybe, but not kill it.

[@Yunggrippacuz]

Yup, i watched that and watched the rpms. HE DID NOT GO FROM 5 TO 1. More lies from these mother fuckers. Toyota went from my favorite brand to most hated.

[@Mr19853]

They told you can't talk about?! You paid full price for the truck, you do whatever you want!

[@spyder000069]

There were strings pulled in order for them to get one so early. They still want a partnership with toyota in the future. Just cause there is a small fire in the kitchen you don't yell fire in the dining room. No need to cause mass panic when it might be easily solved or a one off situation.

[@TheJoncic]

KZbinrs have to schill for OEMs so they get invites to media events

[@doom4067]

The my want to keep getting invited to Toyota events. That's why small channels will tell you exactly how they feel; they're not getting invited, anyway.

[@doom4067]

@spyder000069 "easily solved" doesn't require five months.

[@spyder000069]

@@doom4067 Things move slow in a big company. According to the video tfl may have been the only one. Hard to solve problems unless there is enough data and then you need a mitigation plan which takes more time. In this case they will use software to avoid this situation which may reduce the potential for issues but does point out the design was flawed as the mechanics should have taken that. Every 4x4 ive owned would have even my econo geo trackers. Its common knowledge to not buy the first year or two of a new design and the people who do beta test and pave the way for the rest of us.

[@Dive-Bar-Casanova]

The Tacomas transmissions grenading is another issue.

[@1FiftyOverland]

My first question is why Roman would be "worried" to have to tell Toyota the Tacoma broke? Bought and paid for by Toyota?

[@doom4067]

They want to keep getting invited to Toyota events. Why do you think they waited until Toyota allowed them to talk about the truck that they bought (and then sold after six months)?

[@craigquann]

They're automotive journalists... they have to walk a fine line with criticism or it will hurt them. Especially when the audience wants these brands.

[@1FiftyOverland]

@craigquann I don't buy it, real journalists get the story out asap.

[@craigquann]

@@1FiftyOverland yea, and then toyota stops sponsoring. Like Subaru did. So they could go public and burn that bridge. Or they can try this approach for diplomacy and give Toyota some more R&D (you think that would have been done already)

[@jimmy-buffett]

@@1FiftyOverland real journalists don't burn their sources by sharing off-the-record conversations, or they lose access to those sources.

[@fiziksgeek3562]

Appreciate the openness, but they exceeded loads by 1.7% and had a failure? No safety factor? Or is that 1.7% over the safety factor?

[@vhateverlie]

Either way it establishes that the system is not robust enough.

[@LawFarin]

Very poor engineering

[@ant.8673]

Can’t make excuses for them. By 1.7 percent!? Come on guys don’t seem like you’re paid off by them. You will loose followers if you act like it wasn’t a big deal. The ONLY reason why we love Toyotas is because of longevity and quality vs other comparable brands. I see Toyota isn’t building there vehicles the same any more!

[@Cloud30000]

Any company that knows what happened and tells you off the record, without letting you tell it on the record, has something to hide and should be avoided AT ALL COSTS!

[@psynurse]

Not if the engineer has not been given press permission to Make public

[@stevekniess3665]

Have to get to the root cause before speculation

[@abw121]

What bothers me is the Channel lost its journalists standing by holding off on the story? Compounded by the immediate sale of the Tacoma instead of wringing it out?

[@HAHA.GoodMeme]

They didnt want to talk about it publicly till they had a fix ready for customers. Standard procedure in any large company.

[@Thepulsewidth]

The “Truck King” channel Canada also broke their 2024 Tacoma by SIMPLY DOWNSHIFTING TO A LOWER GEAR!! All these failures in addition to the Tundra ENGINE RECALL makes me wonder what’s going on with Toyota !

[@jeeperwill6262]

Make Toyota Great Again... drain the swamp!!! So, I'm once again super happy I bought a 3rd gen 2023... I've been building and using it offroad flawlessly. The last great Taco!? This 2024 is a joke. The new Tundra is a joke, etc. Truck King killed the clutch in a new manual Tacoma that they tested. You killed the front differential. Let's say that at this point, people at Toyota need to be fired... we the people have spoken. Make Toyota Great Again!

[@Fireblot8826]

I bought a Frontier. No turbo, less money.

[@lifeguard032590]

The new Frontier is the new Tacoma. The Frontier is a great truck too, Nissan did the new generation right too. 👌

[@carlmcdonald5864]

What could go wrong moving everything to Mexico where you only pay the people less than $3 an hour

[@manoloprpr]

Nothing to do with the people who builds it but the quality of parts and materials.

[@carlmcdonald5864]

@@manoloprpr that is incorrect if you're only getting paid $3 an hour you have no motivation to work and do your job properly three dollars an hour in Mexico is still a garbage wage that is less than minimum wage here in the US that is not enough to feed your family so why would you care if the product that you make is quality the people of Mexico deserve a minimum of 15 an hour

[@LAAM619]

Not everything is made in mexico, the trucks are just assembled there. Many parts are made in long beach/japan. Its a design/material issue.

[@doom4067]

They only assemble the parts in Mexico. They don't design them.

[@matthewgaines10]

A real consumer would never get this level of service or responsiveness. They have a long, drawn out way of saying they have a design problem and they have insufficient design margin in the hardware. They aren’t going to fix the hardware problem right now so it can happen again. They are working on a software solution instead to limit the drivetrain forces further. At least he was brave enough to come forward. The response was disappointing but not surprising. The powertrain was designed to the minimum strength required for typical operation. Don’t push your luck on a trail. Tread lightly with these new Toyotas or you could regret it.

[@mariopoirier1285]

Wow, well i feel like Toyota quality is dipping down hard, making me questions my future investment for sure. Love Toyota i have a 2018 rav4, love it, but not very interested in turbocharged or and definitely will be watching how it all goes down with currents problems with tundra and other turbo that has come out.

[@Dwealdric]

What a horrible explanation from Toyota. You have got to be kidding me. So the components are so weak that the traction control causes them to break, and instead of beefing up the component, they reduce the traction control engagement, tell people that they don't support larger tires, and say "don't worry, everything is fine!"

[@justaname109]

I’ve never heard so much yapping to explain they made a faulty product. He admitted all these things have years of testing before they launch them. It’s wild to me they never would have encountered this problem in a truck they know people use for off road

[@Getusom]

He does have a point,,,Toyotas aren’t known for their awesome power and tq,especially at low end…so now they got one with a little tq and horsepower and now we’re seeing that they aren’t as good as they use to be

[@armandocardona6975]

CONFIRMED Jeep wrangler more reliable than a Tacoma 😢😢😢 The facebook groups are gonna have a field day

[@BigAltimaEnergy719]

Heck even the new Ford Ranger and Chevy Colorado/GMC Canyon both have turbo 4s yet they didn't break eraly like the Tacoma lol

[@dicegamenetwork]

The only reason they charged no money for the repairs, bringing it in and diagnosing it, is because TFL has a following and would showcase the shit show of Toyota. Yes the part should be under warranty but if this happened to an average joe they would go through absolute HELL before they were able to get it fixed and it definitely wouldn’t be for free. This makes me sick.

[@mnwrench6835]

Please compare the capability differences between trucks before vs after software update. Sounds like they detuned the performance to protect the hardware. This would never have happened if you used it the way Toyota designed it for, ...to get groceries.

[@4rr44E]

I like you, Sheldon, but this was not a “stars aligned” scenario. This was basic off-roading at best. And now Truck King has their clutch collapse on their Taco, numerous people reporting overheating issues, and even some auto trans failures. And this doesn’t even include all the Tundra issues. Sad to say it but confidence is low… and prices are high. Toyota took an amazing reputation and has drug it through the dirt.

[@ramaswamynarayanaswamy4806]

Nissan should bring the Y61 Patrol pickup as a compensation for the Titan. It is heavier duty than the Frontier and will crush the Tacoma offroad....

[@TheMutchlerchad]

This is the long version of we are going to apply an electronic band aid by limiting power in certain situations...smh

[@EVDOsmurf]

THIS IS WHY WE ALL KEEP ASKING TOYOTA FOR A FRONT LOCKER!!!!! WHAT IS SO DIFFICULT FOR TOYOTA TO UNDERSTAND??? THEY HAD TRIPLE LOCKERS ON THEIR 90’s LANDCRUISER’s!!! THIS WOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED HAD THERE BEEN FRONT LOCKER TO DISTRIBUTE THE TORQUE LOAD BETWEEN TWO WHEELS RATHER THAN ONE!!!

[@appleztooranges]

Real story why it broke - Toyota Quality Control

[@briancoleman971]

Puny weak axle shafts.

[@appleztooranges]

@@briancoleman971 Toyota frame where the archiles heal. Now it’s ieverything else!

[@BrianReynolds84]

That would suck if the shaft inside the diff is the fuse instead of the CVs. Say goodbye to trail-side CV changes. Also, imagine spending way more money on a hybrid only to find out it's been de-tuned to non-hybrid power to save the drivetrain! Should have built the truck to survive hybrid power...

[@davidj6398]

So that was a word salad that in essence said the front differential is not strong enough in certain situations but we aren’t going to strengthen the differential. We’re going to change the software. Sounds like good reasoning to not buy this truck if you intend to go off road.

[@thewireman134]

WOW. Toyota really is junk now. For real

[@hectorgonzalez5030]

What word salad? He explained it pretty clear. The traction system accidentally dumped all the torque into one wheel all at once and broke the shaft

[@Cloud30000]

That explains why they didn’t put the Tacoma on the slip test; they admitted that 3 wheels in the rollers will snap the axle shaft on the 4th wheel. Seems like a uniquely poor Toyota design, as no other slip test vehicle snapped an axle shaft.

[@OdysseyOG]

How about the taco clutches melting?

[@ChiTownTx]

The new Tacoma is a nice looking turd in my opinion. That viewpoint might change in the future as they iron things out, but given the price of these things; yeah, turd.

[@mxpx148]

To summarize, Toyota under-built the entire driveline of the truck to save money while jacking costs up. It’s a sad day when you can buy a Colorado or Ranger that is built sturdier than a Toyota Tacoma

[@DaveSoCal]

I worked for Toyota/Lexus for 30+ years and this is Toyota doing Toyota things