The Real TRUTH About Growing Microgreens for Profit

Growing microgreens for market takes a considerable amount of hard work and dedication. Don't be fooled into thinking it's a quick and easy way to make some cash. Like any business, it's a grind!

[@ksamana684]

Keep at it brother. Keep planting seeds, you will enjoy the fruits of your labor soon. Thank you for keeping it real!

[@TPSDmike]

Thank you! Real is the only way I know how to keep it. I'm not smart enough to know how to mislead or con people. FYI, I will be making content that will be distributed via The Microgreens Farmer's channel. Stay tuned.

[@DrakeJStone]

I was an urban farmer for over 2 years. Watching you talk about the grind was spot on. Your body language brought back memories of putting in the time. I loved the growing part! Hell, I loved all aspects of the business (except maybe the constant cleaning/sanitizing!). However, microgreens is definitely a time-consuming venture and requires a hefty investment in time (as with any business). Getting started is extra tough when you do it alone. In the end, if you can make enough to cover the cost of doing business "right" and still generate a wage that allows you to be happy and healthy... good on you! Speaking from my experience, the microgreen business by itself just didn't support enough to cover all the important costs and pay me an acceptable living wage. On top of the usual expected costs of growing, there's a variety of other costs that eat at profit margins... liability insurance, delivery vehicle costs, fuel, insurance, larger refrigeration equipment to name just a few. The cost of hiring employees (which eventually has to happen) also comes with its own set of overhead (if doing everything "right"). All of these costs have to be factored into the selling price. When I looked at having to increase my prices, the research showed a high probability that I'd lose business to the competition. The other option was to significantly increase my customer base (for volume)... which leads to even more costs, which includes increased marketing, growing space, employees. All investments that introduce more risk. I actually looked at purchasing a building for expansion. Fortunately, I chose not to go that route. You did well to highlight the low barrier to entry. There is an increasing number of tiny but high-quality microgreen growing operations and they all are not necessarily worrying about those additional business costs. They won't be around for long (maybe 2 years?) but they do make it difficult to sell at a fair price. I also paid attention to some interesting developments over the two years. I looked closely at other "successful" growers. The bigger they became, the less they focused on growing/selling microgreens. It turned out, the competition was decreasing their market share. I saw many adding other products. Infused oils, mushrooms, potted plants, potted herbs, etcetera. One company practically abandoned microgreens and switched to growing flowers and shrubs to sell to regional landscapers. I've watched a very successful grower in Canada sell his business because he simply became tired of the grind. There's another very popular urban farmer in Canada who has changed his focus to educating other growers and has limited his microgreen focus. A very large grower and delivery service contacted me directly and asked if I could support potentially hundreds of pounds of microgreens each week. I could have. When I asked why the owner/partner wanted to outsource, the answer was they were going to focus on other products and use their newfound space for other specialty varieties like hydroponic lettuces. He also said they were now looking at focusing on the delivery side solely... there was more money to be made there. Indirectly, he identified that the level of effort required for growing microgreens and associated costs were just too high. In order to get his business, I would have had to lower my prices to a point just above break-even. The acceptable profit margin just wasn't there. The point is, I've seen many with a microgreen focus limit, if not outright abandon, microgreen growing. Eventually, I folded. I don't mind hard work but I do mind not making enough for the effort. I was tired of working what seemed to be non-stop cycles that weren't returning an acceptable living wage. I've since come to realize that the best thing I can do with all my surplus is to use my small operation to serve a small localized population that will come to me for trays of micros. It cuts down on the time consuming efforts of harvesting/processing/packaging and better... no deliveries. BTW... this really isn't meant to discourage. These are just my observations from two years of putting in the time. I admire anyone that figures out a formula that makes microgreen growing a livable venture for themselves. You'd probably do well with a youtube video that talks about how you've overcome or dealt with many of these "negative"/difficult business aspects. If you are able to support bringing on 1.5 more staff you are likely doing very well. If anything, I hope they lightened your load some so you can find more time to hang with family and friends.

[@eddieslittlestack7919]

Thank you for taking the time to wright such a long comment. Your experience shared there I found very helpful. I just started growing micro greens 2 months ago for myself.

[@teeheee2]

Thanks for sharing. I'm glad that we have a thought to expand into other greens and veggies in our business plan. But we hope to launch with micro greens, enough to get to the new facility stage. Still working on paper work. Mind explaining what your biggest part of the "grind" was? I think it would help many. I appreciate you illuminating those financial pot holes as I thought of some but others were very surprising.

[@DrakeJStone]

@@teeheee2 Biggest part of the grind for someone trying to do this on their own? There's so much to choose from. I recall sanitation being a non-stop exercise. I was probably too clean (if that can be a thing). I would never reuse my trays without having them completely washed, free of any soil remnants... then run them through an appropriate sanitizing solution. I had about 1000 trays to ensure I could cycle through for deliveries twice per week. While I never used all the trays, I was constantly going through the process of cleaning. If it wasn't the trays, I would be cleaning my racks. I had linings for the racks to make sure soil never fell into the micros below... which required cleaning. Harvesting equipment and supplies needed cleaning. I had to keep up with the soil remnants and worked to keep them turned for compost (which was used in my home garden and shared with neighbors). It sounds like I'm whining but the reality is that it is a cycle that never ends. Add on filling trays, determining how much to grow two weeks ahead of time, sowing 10 different crops at the right time so they all reach the proper growth stage all at the same hour for harvesting, rotating trays from stacked, watering, monitoring, harvesting, rinsing (sunflowers), mixing, packaging/labeling, laying out delivery routes, marketing, ordering supplies and seed. It's tough when you start to get popular... and if you aren't charging enough early (and planning for growth), it's just a machine that eats itself and you have to keep feeding it... through volume... which requires even more food! These issues are really no different than most businesses but honestly, you gotta charge enough right from the start...

[@teeheee2]

@@DrakeJStone hmm. Great wisdom. Thank you so much for sharing your words. It seems like if you can sell on less product and trying to remove extra tasks might be key. Donny still is rocking 4 crop types, 10 I could only imagine would be a disaster with all those grow times, unless you have something like an auto scheduler for seeding and things. Hope you have a wonderful day and sorry the growing business didn't seem to keep together for you.

[@dawnwoodcock5256]

I seen that video too and thought the same thing. They got into for all the wrong reasons....they thought easy money for little work...but u have to love growing plants and understand that's not easy but is so rewarding....great start to videoing your thoughts and ideas

[@TPSDmike]

Thanks for your comment Dawn. You are absolutely right. You need to have a passion for the project but also need certain skills to run a business. Not everyone has those skills and that is OKAY.

[@freespiritwithnature4384]

It’s people like you man , that make me really reflect on all of our ancestors. The hard work ,the dedication,the sacrifices. No running water , no toilets,no soap , no toothbrushes,no Drs ,Dentists. My grandparents sacrificed so much , however hard they worked ,and trust me ,they worked so hard , the time that we did have was always 100% quality time. No looking at the phone , no distractions. I wouldn’t even think of looking at my cellphone,if my grandparents were still here . They expected respect,because it’s the way we were all taught. May I please be excused . We all called our grandparents mom @ dad . It’s what they chose ,and yet we knew the difference, they composted everything, @ so we grew up doing the same. I remember once an argument ensued at our dinner table. Two of the 3 children began arguing over who was going to load and who would unload the dishwasher. I was so disgusted,I slammed my hand down on the table,and I rarely raise my voice . I said from this moment fir the next 2 months,we no long have ya dishwasher. Oh they argued for 3-4 days . Then a transformation, then a conversation @ laughter . It was really,looking back now ,a beautiful memory of brother and sister . Everyone asked me why these children are so well behaved. They we’re allowed 1 hr of educational TV . They had 6 Saturday AM chores. Big ones. Their rooms were never a chore ,because it’s their space ,so no time outs there lol. They had privileges taken away. So I said you can keep your rooms the way you choose ,but every Sat , clean sheets, dusting, vacuuming, and eventually they learned,if they kept it reasonably clean ,then their chores were over quicker. Best to do it right the first time . Kids these days without having resources,responsibilities,they wouldn’t last a day at McDonalds ,nor would they eat there,as I grew everything from our garden,bread from scratch,no machine . When kids were little,we had tons of picnics,after chores,and I always had a huge heaping Tupperware full of broccoli,peppers,cauliflower,cucumber, chick pea and yogurt dip . That’s what they saw as there surprise so when they went to friends homes ,they respected the same rules ,and genuinely loved wholesome foods. Children are what they live ,learn ,and eat . You sir ,are a beautiful example for young kids today. I’m afraid to even think what their brain scan would look like at age 44. The Bleeding Edge on Netflix Forks Over Knives on Netflix The Devil We know DuPont Documentary, Mark Ruffalo just made a true story,a movie called Dark Waters. Please watch these ,it will shock you all. Anyone diagnosed with Alzheimer’s/ Dementia must watch it ,because these p are told they have it ,when they didn’t.The dr got sick to . Any accidents or knee hip etc please watch them all. It’s a huge wake up call. Thank you 🙏.

[@wheelspinner]

Well said

[@wave9199]

Man this was the video I needed to see when I typed in “growing micro greens”. Thank you

[@giselafiege7169]

A lot of people don’t see everything involved in growing a business. It’s time consuming to build a profitable business of any sort. Inspired effort is the best kind, meaning putting heart and soul into the task to have the outcome envisioned. So many blindly start things without all the knowledge of involvement and degree of sacrifice. Thank you for making this point come through. Blessings to you for your continued success! 🙏🏻🌀🌱 Aloha 🌺

[@TPSDmike]

Thank you Gisela for your kind words. We are still battling!

[@twerkinalisha7346]

I saw that video too boss, thanks for this. I needed to hear this.

[@XaYaZaZa]

Haha I saw that video. Yours is better. Business owners recognize it. Keep up the great work! 💪

[@sdunca4864]

Bravo mate!- this is a good view- keep at it. I would be very interested in seeing a series about your cycle and days: Day one of the cycle, a couple of days during the cycle, and harvest day as well. THIS would be the setup for getting your true message of the truth! Be safe, and as always- at peace!

[@tammymurphy1268]

Great vid...love your honesty too!!!! Yup its the grind 100%😁 work for your self is all grind.....but do what ya love and love what ya do

[@CrackerFL]

Nice grow room! Congrats of your hard work paying off!

[@tictoc01085]

I definitely work more hours on my farm than i did at my 9 to 5 but i enjoy it a hell of a lot more!! I never gave any other job i had 10% the passion that i have for this either. You have to have a love for this or else it will always feel like a grind.

[@TPSDmike]

Thanks for sharing Adam. You are 100% right and I share the same sentiments. Grinding for some is miserable while grinding for others (while doing what they love) brings so much satisfaction.

[@TPSDmike]

Hello Adam. I quickly want to add to the comment I made two years ago. . .there comes a point where not even passion/enjoyment can carry one through the grind. We are 4 years in to our growing journey, grossed $20k this month and I'm still not taking a pay check. While i'm not there yet, there absolutely is a breaking point.

[@tictoc01085]

@@TPSDmike due to covid i didnt sell a dimes worth of microgreens until may 2020... business went right back down when the restaurants closed when the weather got too cold and they couldn't do outdoor dining. Most of my farm sits empty now.

[@TPSDmike]

@@tictoc01085 I'm so sorry to hear that. What have you been doing instead of the farm? Was pivoting your greens business not an option for you?

[@tictoc01085]

@@TPSDmike all of my business was mostly through distributors... when the restaurants shut down so was I. So I had to take another job. business did not come back that well and ended early in 2020.. there just was not enough volume to maintain the family anymore.

[@sublimekma]

I just watched the video you’re referring to in your video. I tend to lean towards your mindset about “you get what you put in.” However I think your point about low barriers to entry is crucial. Microgreens are a commodity and ultimately commoditized goods compete on one thing, price. You may differentiate slightly based on quality or service but for the most part price is main variable. Having said that, can you offer some insight regarding the economics behind the business? If you’re willing to talk about input costs, sales numbers, margins, etc, and realistic expectations for earnings, I would be grateful. Keep up the good work!

[@willymakeit5172]

Nice video, I watched a bit of that other one, and my take was don’t grow too big too fast. Too fast is defined as more than you are willing to handle. I’m looking into it myself. Thanks for reminding me that anything worth having is work.

[@TPSDmike]

Thanks for your comment. Good luck on the grow.

[@angel2703504]

Hey dude keep putting in the grind.

[@mikekrzesowiak7944]

"Business is a grind" @1:55 Simple, wise words.

[@TPSDmike]

Truth. Many can plant a seed and watch it grow. Fewer can plant a seed, watch it grow, and run a business.

[@user-eg1xw6rj3k]

To be fair to people who get into this thinking it won't be much work, I feel like there are a lot of people on the internet bending over backwards to make it sound like it won't be that much work. I know the fallacy of that should be common sense, but it's easy for wishful thinking to kick in when experts are the ones telling you what you want to hear.

[@fygmicrogreens]

Thanks I needed to hear this. I'm willing to put in the work, but sometimes feel like I'm not sure that my efforts are going anywhere. Scared to death about what will happen when farmers market season ends.

[@quicksno]

I appreciate your candor. I'm considering trying this business out.

[@danny36120]

Love the honesty. Can I ask, what percentage of your customer base in retail (individuals, restaurants etc) and wholesale. If mostly retail, how are you getting around the distribution bottleneck problem? Much love! Keep on keeping on.

[@jerzeys2finest89]

Appreciate your honesty! Im just starting out, the Micro Greens you can make alot of money BUT. As you perfectly said, you HAVE TO PUT IN THE WORK. People think they wouldnt have to work because they think things are free. That Child like mentality of getting stuff for free

[@TPSDmike]

Thanks for your input Mike. Another thing that most people forget to remember are expenses. You can make a lot of money and you can spend it too. It's a business and all the same rules apply. We are nearly approaching profitability after just over 2years. Scaling can be expensive and requires a lot of your earnings.

[@mreightytwenty8709]

How true mate...Nothing is easy. If so everyone one would be doing it SUCCESSFULLY...

[@thebhaktiproject7302]

Thanks for your video. I appreciate your honesty. Yes, austerity is the beginning of success. Unavoidable.

[@JermaineSantiagoCruz]

Thanks for the insight, I'm just starting out but I love plants I feel like that it is what makes it worth the energy.

[@TPSDmike]

The love of growing is what gets you through the hard times. Please also know there IS a breaking point when you realize you MUST provide for yourself/your family. There is an "X" factor that each of us must find in order to turn that love into something profitable.

[@nn-bv8ki]

I watched the video you are talking about just before I watched yours, I am sharing your feelings about it. Good video and thank you for it, One question, how big is the "growing" area of your farm and how big is the rest of it where you wash/dry/package the goodies? I am about to start a business but cant figure out the size of the shed I want to build.

[@TPSDmike]

n n Thanks for your comment. The grow space you see in the video is 40ft by 8ft. We grew on 12 shop racks, had two additional racks for stacking our germinating crops and had a planting/harvest table. We grew really fast and had to get creative as to where we washed and sterilized our flats. Our refrigerator was in a small shed about 50ft away. It wasn't the most efficient and the space was cramped but it served its purpose. We have since moved into a larger facility. I will be creating content for "The Microgreens Farmer" here shortly. I will do another video with our current setup. Thanks for watching and please follow The Microgreens Farmer for future vids.

[@LivingWithCTE]

May i ask what you normally charge a restaurant for a tray of microgreens? I am just starting off or maybe price if you package them in s 8oz container. Any info would greatly be appreciated

[@florianvandeven4962]

good work pal ! not sure how big the demand in the uk is. roughly how much net profit you can be making per month, say in a room like yours in the background. cheers

[@profissaoglobal2]

Thank you so much for sharing your wonderful experience!!!

[@TM-we6eg]

Well said and very true it takes hard work but it's worth it.

[@michelevrey1127]

What a wonderful video. I am also a microgreen farmer. It's such hard work but if you have a passion for good and beautiful food. You just keep going dude x I am Simply Green microgreens in EC south Africa.

[@dougyankunas3104]

No offense to the micro green growers , I think they are great . However, I’m getting really really tired of going to farmers markets all over the country ( I’m a truck driver) and seeing half the market being greens. I get the small grow space high profit, but wow 😯 can we please get some variety of foods ? I like diversity of foods . There has to be profitable foods other than greens out there. Please do a video on non greens and profits , thank you .

[@frankiebe4818]

Keep grinding !!!

[@fledgling5616]

Don’t apologize! Thanks for the video, I found it encouraging.

[@donwayman1569]

Hey I appreciate the video and the open honesty. Is there any way I can get in touch with you? I live in salt lake and I'm starting a microgreens business. I'd just like some solid advice about how to go about things. Hope you see this!

[@davelebowski2859]

Thanks for the real man, keep on keeping on

[@TPSDmike]

Thank you!

[@boyd8871]

high respect to this guy, saying the truth! every one must grind and hustle to earn money in any endeavor!

[@TPSDmike]

Boy d, thanks for the comment. I'm sick and tired of the "all you need is a rack and some lights and you can make $$$$!" Vids. I've never worked harder in my life to get to where we are today.

[@kakaimar1]

It’s 04:57 now, I hear you. Rather this ‘grind’, than most others. Got to be willing to do what others won’t. I typically have worked 8-12 hour shifts, 6 nights a week. Happy growing, all.

[@nikgordon1288]

Do you guys have a pre soak process before you plant your seeds

[@ketahwhite3421]

Thanks for sharing! I do hate the negative discouraging videos. I have great work ethic as well and I don't mind putting in the time! It's nice to know that hard work will pay off with this business. Thanks!

[@teeheee2]

I'm new to the game so take my word as my own. I believe there's a bit more to it. Working smart is the way it must be done. Little creative short cuts like automating the seed soaking process, and setting up a schedule from seed to harvest to balance work. Eliminating tasks as much as possible. Lets say you put your work ethic into your plants but build the racks too close, or deep well trays with no air flow. You'll just dig yourself into the ground no matter how fast you spin your wheels. I watched a video last night where two dudes did exactly both those together, and they were leaving the game. But their racks could've been moved, they had the room, but they just span their wheels. They were growing but just not fast enough. Also something new I learned if you haven't got to this is plan your schedule backwards from harvest. Not going to lie that sort blew my mind when I saw it. =P And hey good luck!

[@carlhammill5774]

I know what video you were referring to. The thing is...this kind of business can be started small...literally in a walk in closet at your residence (along with climate/humidity control, lighting and growth medium). You could literally test this out for 6 months yourself to see if there is enough passion to turn it into business. Plus I think self farming will increase in popularity due to the increase in sourcing crops from china by some supermarkets and farmer markets.

[@TPSDmike]

You are absolutely correct. That's how we did it. A shop light and a wooden shelf. We got one client then quickly bought our first rack. Then another, then another. We looked at how many restaurants were in our area and how many said yes vs. no. At that point we justified investment in the form of a credit card and then micro loan to help us scale a bit quicker. There have been huge successes and huge failures. That is how it goes. Unfortunately many individuals see "make money growing microgreens" and think to themselves "I can do that!" What they dont consider is the business side of things. Not everyone is cut out to be a business owner.

[@The_Absent_MindsetReality]

I get people that give me that discouraging look when I tell them what I’m up to. Their thinking “Short term, get it right now options that I should do,” and I’m way past that thinking “long term stability, & effort, equals rewarding outcomes.” I’m new to micros, but not new to hard work. Btw, you don’t sound stupid or like you’re complaining, you’re keeping it real for those who aren’t, that are into instant gratification. I see a pleasantly tired, yet humble guy, who inside knows he’s finally made it over the humps and is past the building of the foundation part to his success. People expect successful people to be all crazy happy & bursting with joy...but really it’s, “that journey was long, what year is it, and can I take a nap now?’” Which after several naps you transform into a wiser observer & innovator, enjoying the little things that really effect you more than usual. It can seem like nothing has changed like you thought, but it has done so in different ways then you imagined. Deep committed focus to your goals can change your perspectives, inside & out, unraveling into a more meaningful existence. My life literally for the past few years. Also, side note...with new outcomes, comes different challenges, just remember that challenges are good, their lessons...pass or fail, there are always solutions. Patience is key.

[@TPSDmike]

Wow, thank you for that. I've been pleasantly tired for the last year since this video. So much hard work has gone into this company. I plan to do an update video in the near future. All the best to you.

[@The_Absent_MindsetReality]

@@TPSDmike Your welcome. Felt like you needed that response. Its one of those, even though we get so far in our goals, validation about our outlook, path or choices in some form or another, are signs that we keep on going, type of deals. Especially if it feels like we plateau, it''s really just a small break while things In the background come into play. Then you'll feel things progress. I hope to be as successful as yourself. Also, can't wait for your update. Big respects to you from Idaho. 🕉️😊💖

[@CHAOSMOVEMENT]

What gets me is all the influencers talking about how they make $200k a year selling microgreens, but their actual business model is selling you grow equipment by manipulating you.

[@jacobpage5900]

Thanks for this great video vary inspirational but in an honest way keep it up and good luck in the future

[@ChattanoogaDan]

A true entrepreneur learns a business and learns how to turn ideas into money. Hiring good good will be the key. Once a business is running without your constant attention, you can start another business. Once you have started multiple business that are truly successful, you will begin to acquire wealth. If you can't get to that point, if you can't manage the business without being the key employee then all you have created is a job. Nothing wrong with a job, it's just different than being an entrepreneur. Godspeed

[@judylee1860]

Yesterday at the produce stand I might be delivering to I backed into their tractor. Sigh...not sure it was the heat or losing my focus. Most 9 to 5 and Union jackasses have no idea what it takes to build and maintain a business. That’s all I’ve got to say, except that this is the best truth out there. Thank you. You’re not a fool.

[@Frisbeeninja2]

Hey man Keep it up and keep the videos coming good sir.

[@jimfurr81]

I don't mind work but my city is only 50K. Can I make a living selling in a smallish city? I suspect I would need at least 20 to 30 weekly customers. I would be happy with $2K monthly gross, more is better.

[@doctormeetsfish7000]

Good on you. Running a business is not for everyone because it takes work.

[@TPSDmike]

Thank you. People often think "grow micros, make money...psh, I can do that!" Not everyone is cut out to be a business owner. And that is okay.

[@CassieDavis613]

Found you on YT Microgreens Farmer. Yay

[@tonybreedlove4762]

Great video, from the heart, congrats on your success!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@TPSDmike]

Thank you Tony. We have since moved into a warehouse! It's been a wild ride so far.

[@ngreat4390]

Since you grow year round, you can take a week off every quarter. You work to live not live to work

[@TPSDmike]

If you have the proper systems in place, sure. It's a nice thought. Easier said than done.

[@djdiablo93]

Wonder what this guy is up to now and how his business is doing. He's clearly put in the effort he deserves success.

[@TPSDmike]

Thank you for your comment. We are still at it. Grossed over $20k this month. I say this NOT TO BRAG. There is nothing to brag about. I say this with a chip on my shoulder regarding all of those videos online touting "make THOUSANDS growing microgreens" There is a huge difference between "making $20k this month" and profiting/paying yourself anything per month. In business I don't believe there is a line on the balance sheet that says "made" on it. Haha, sorry for the brash response. It's not you, it's me. My nerve's are struck. :)

[@zuzanazuzic4450]

Make a new video so we can see how it is now 🙌

[@codybrucewilliams]

To be fair, I think the poster of that video didn't really mean it the way most took it. What the take-away people should have seen is... "Mircogreens are not for everyone"... and was true for him since he had a higher paying job that gave him more instant gratification then long term possibilities.

[@TPSDmike]

Thank you for that perspective Cody. Very valid takeaway. Being a business owner is definitely not for everyone. You nailed it on the head, being a business owner is definitely a long term play that requires sacrifice and commitment. Not everyone finds joy or fulfillment in the process and would much rather have instant satisfaction.

[@cobyporschifer221]

Don't beat yourself up to much Bro. All your doing is TELLING IT LIKE IT IS ! Congratulations on being a realistic Business Owner/Human being. It's absolute astonishing at the amount of people that are FUCKEN DELUSIONAL. Most of them are young often livid that these people have watched too much TV or has been spoiled by being a Daddys girl or a Mommas Boy and Getting what they want from their Parents or family. Then They go on in life expecting There spouse to do the same. And a businesses to cater to their needs also. Instead of other way around. And putting all of your Attention on the Business. In my early 20s I got Some solid advice about Starting and Running A Business to MAKE IT SUCCESSFUL ! HEARS THE NUGGET = No What the business . The Businesses has to come 1st

[@josyjosy7495]

Congratulations for your success. U deserve it.

[@terriperry9434]

So what do you think about living near a very large city? Is that really necessary?

[@TPSDmike]

I think being near a large city definitely puts you at an advantage right out of the gate however not necessary if you can find other other markets outside of the city.

[@fatdaddy9305]

Farming is 7 days a week, 24 hrs a day, 365 days a year. Some people just aren’t cut out for it.

[@KevinBieg]

4 years later, are you still doing this? is it as easy as you thought? what would you of done differently? as someone who is looking into starting something like this for fun and maybe going farther what would you have done differently

[@TPSDmike]

Hello Kevin. Thank you for your questions. Yes, I am still growing this business. There are aspects that are easier than I thought and aspects that have challenged me more than anything in my life. I don’t think I would have done anything differently as they are all things that have helped form the opinions/skills that I have today. Every day provides something new to learn/new challenges to overcome. Do you have experience running a company? Hiring? Firing? Bookkeeping? Conflict resolution? Sales? Marketing? I’d strongly encourage you to study as many of these areas as possible. Often times our brains tend to focus on the one or two aspects of a business that we think “I could do that” and neglect all of the other important aspects. Not everyone is cut out to be a CEO. Hell, IM not cut out to be a CEO. It’s killing me. But I’m here. Im still in business and I’m trying. I’ve had a few friends in other states ask me about whether they should start a micro greens business, or not and my honest answer is “no”. I dont think I would go back and do this again, knowing what I know. Lastly, please be cautious of online educators and their smiley videos enticing you to start a microgreens business. They have ulterior motives ($$$) in telling you what you want to hear. Happy to discuss offline if you still have questions.

[@mpaz48mo]

Dude, every single person that had the balls to start their own business went through this, what? This is something new? It takes friggin work and dedication to succeed, who the ef cares about skiing or running, do your damn work.

[@TPSDmike]

I'm so confused by your comment. I feel like you are preaching to the choir.

[@MrGalaxypiano]

you shouldn't be confused my friend the guy wants you to focus on your goals and work nothing is easy man love what you do everybody is suffering out there for surviving

[@colindavis2113]

How has business been going with covid-19? I’m revisiting this as a career but I am concerned at prospects during this time. All the best.

[@TPSDmike]

For a couple of months we lost 100% of our business. We figured our model was recession proof to an extent but never expected a global pandemic. We took that time to look at our business and make plans for how we saw the business/brand 5-10 years from now. While many others adopted a subscription model we decided to work on a retail product. Since the shut down restaurants have mostly opened back up and are doing well.

[@colindavis2113]

@@TPSDmike nice! Glad to hear things are working and thanks for your feedback.

[@Powergrowsystems]

#truth #makehaywhilethwsunshines Keep at it man! Let's see some harvesting 👍

[@TPSDmike]

I may just have to do that. It's quite a laborious task but sharing some of the nuances from crop to crop could be beneficial to many.

[@hiredhand123]

@@TPSDmike I know a lot of people struggle with the washing and drying part of harvesting.

[@jmajick4415]

Same with cannabis growers. So many go in thinking it's a breeze and quickly find out that it is a marriage to a demanding spouse. Great rewards if you love it and stick with it. Misery if you don't.

[@Avicena-tf5uj]

IMHO no business is easy, you either really have to love the money or the vision. I just launched my microgreens business. I got in because I had no choice, if I don’t juice my wheatgrass and microgreens I am bed ridden and fatigued, so I’m turning it into a business now. Question, you use a Universal product code when selling to grocery? I’m not sure how to label my produce. I’m getting ready to approach the markets soon. Thanks for sharing your views

[@TPSDmike]

V A I know what you are talking about. I have been experiencing fatigue a great deal over the past year. My bones and joints ache. Been really focusing on diet lately. It's cool to see you starting your business around necessity. Much greater chance for success. In regards to universal bar codes ...we sell exclusively to restaurants at the moment. I wish I could help you out with retail label requirements. I believe any sort of barcode will suffice. Hopefully someone can chime in and ad some insight. Good luck with your endeavor!

[@Avicena-tf5uj]

Try juicing wheatgrass through out the day bud. It really helps me

[@1jayyoung]

Thanks for this!

[@mckenzier4363]

I feel you can make your business what you want. There is nothing wrong with having a day off and still making money. Not everyone has the goal of being rich just happy.

[@TPSDmike]

You are correct, there is nothing wrong with having a day off. However, our business grew so quickly that we've basically painted ourselves into a corner. Plants (especially microgreens) require care and attention. We do not have systems in place that allow us a day off. While it's possible in the future and something we are diligently striving for, it's not our current reality. Every entrepreneur I've spoken to or read about has said the same thing. "We worked 24/7 for years. We almost (or did) lose our marriage, we didnt know how we were going to pay our employees etc etc." We've proven our model and are profitable. Now we are working on ways to improve our efficiencies which will free up time to either relax, grow the business or both.

[@sunhippie]

That's how ya do it! You sacrifice in ANY business. I've got a couple of them going 🙄🙏🙌..Lord give me strength... If it were easy it wouldn't be profitable for anyone to do it. So, you grind and sacrifice until you get the opportunity to show someone else how to do it and you move on into another aspect of your business...which is still work🥰 but if you have the right attitude and desire anyone can enjoy all...well most of the work. 🙌😊🙌

[@BeachChicken231]

Thank you for this video.

[@Akil-Kaze]

I'm new and just starting my goal starting off is 500 extra a month. Is this a high or low setting point?

[@TPSDmike]

I think $500 is low. But even having a goal in mind is a great start. Go out and reach that goal and then set another, and another. If $500/mo isnt working for you, then adjust and try new markets.

[@Charles-op5ty]

@@TPSDmike $500 a month would more than meet my needs. How much of an investment, in dollars and time, would this level of income require?

[@golddiamond2856]

Tru business is a grind my business took 3 years to get rolling but worth it for sure

[@cocaleaf2371]

Why so long?

[@williamnichols6253]

I wasn't hearing that other guy say "we don't want to put in the work"... I was hearing "Two of us are working full time and not making any money"... WAAAAAY different

[@TPSDmike]

Interesting point of view. I heard "Two of us are working full time and not making any money"......"we don't want to put in the work anymore." not waaaaaay different. Just a matter of putting the first sentence you quoted after the second sentence you quoted." The vibe I got was they watched a few "get rich quick" microgreens videos, didn't get rich quick, and closed shop. That was my complaint. This is not a get rich quick game. Nothing in life is.

[@supertrucker99]

Hard work is satisfying

[@Legitfya101]

anyone know where to get decent priced growing trays or for free if possible?

[@TPSDmike]

I did a video about grow flats. Watch it before making a decision on cheap flats.

[@geminijixon6899]

Very genuine. Thank you for the share

[@weswalker1208]

I don't grow microgreens for a living or anything else. A bunch of time clock and do this for my own consumption. I saw the video and picked up on the exact same thing.

[@austinchronic7863]

I like your shelves and lighting...where did you get the shelves?

[@TPSDmike]

I've purchased shelves from home depot as well as costco. Costco shelves (trinity I believe is the brand) are superior in several ways including price, durability/construction and they even come with casters! At first glance these shelves look almost identical but they are not. Costco ftw.

[@austinchronic7863]

@@TPSDmike Thanks for the quick response! I already have my room setup and this weekend is shelving and lighting. I will now look at those shelves and compare to the cost of diy. Thanks, and make more videos (we know your busy) =)

[@jerrymccarthy5826]

Thanks for sharing How is the business today?

[@TPSDmike]

Hello Jerry. Thank you for the comment. The business is going very well. You can see some progress on Instagram, if you have it, @brickhousegrowers Up until this point we sold direct to chefs and a few grocery stores but in order to meet a larger demand and not lose our minds doing so we decided to partner with a couple of distributors. So we’ll see how that goes. :)

[@jerrymccarthy5826]

@@TPSDmike Very good! I'm 48 and looking for a new form of work after severely hurting my neck two months ago and have just started looking into something like this Do you think it's worth buying into a premade starter program I just looked at freedom farmers webinar and they sell their program for $500 Anyway, you seem like a good old fashioned hard worker and I wish you well Be blessed!

[@charlesmccarthy2064]

being an adult you know whats up like your style

[@tylergoodwin3546]

Well considering I literally do nothing with my free time besides watch videos like this, I’d say this is perfect for me

[@bonniehoke-scedrov4906]

Thanks.

[@judylee1860]

You are honest. Anymore in sales honesty is unheard of. Maybe this video is the beginning of turning it around, giving value and respect back to honesty and honest work, huh? Maybe the lying cheating bankers could do with watching this video? Again, thank you.

[@thatstheguy07]

How’s things been going for you two years later? Are you still at it??

[@TPSDmike]

Hey, thanks for the follow up. Things are going well. We are in a larger warehouse now (1500sf) and have two full time employees. We got hit pretty hard for a few months during Covid but had some cash in the bank and we’re able to weather a majority of the storm. Restaurants are still the bulk of our business

[@thatstheguy07]

@@TPSDmike Nice to hear. Really considering starting something up. Nice to have these videos to watch. Greatly appreciated 👍🏼

[@Akil-Kaze]

But....the best thing is....your working for you.

[@PatrickDempseyG]

I saw that video too.. I commented about him complaining and just giving up.

[@rawindersingh8014]

Is there anyway I can get in contact with you? Email or something? I have a few question if you are willing to help it would be much appreciated.

[@jaylee6769]

What exactly is your ROI and profit margin in relation to the time you put in? This video is extremely vague

[@TPSDmike]

Jay Lee, thanks so much for your comment and honest inquiry. My answer to your question will still be extremely vague. So many new growers have a very micro mindset when it comes to growing and selling microgreens. "Make $$$ in your living room" or "make $$$ off a single rack" etc etc. We are currently looking at our business from a macro perspective ie what do we do today that will help our business 1, 2, 10 years from now. Stop looking at the dollars and cents and focus on building a company. My ROI in relation to time spent is shit currently. But, 1, 2, 5 years from now, we will be sitting pretty.

[@jaylee6769]

@@TPSDmike Alright. I appreciate your response. Good luck to you

[@howardryburn9646]

There's no sniveling in farming. 3 acres is enough to define just because you have the footage doesn't mean you should. Love it but like any relationship boundaries are necessary .

[@vincenzovanalst9535]

Are they good for animal feed?

[@TPSDmike]

Excellent for animal feed if you have extra however not very economically viable to grow indoors exclusively for feed.

[@beaconsfieldfarmsmi6790]

you didn't make a fill of yourself. All businesses require work and time put into it. To start any business to have 'Freedom isn't realistic. Start up is a grind. Put in the time and effort and it will succeed. Keep it up!

[@richardbradley5279]

Looking to start growing in the spring. Any advice on what to buy to get started under 1000 bucks? I live in the foothills of the Appalachian mountains, a very small town where no one seems to know anything about microgreens. No one is selling them nor is any restaurant serving them. I wish to be the first in my community to offer these amazing greens. Thank you

[@TPSDmike]

Richard, thanks for your comment. I've been working almost non stop (three all-nighters in the last 10 days). I want to provide you with a thorough answer. Give me a day or two to catch up. Thanks!

[@TPSDmike]

Hey Richard, there are many options available however I will share with you what we chose to do. These items/system will allow you to scale up a little bit as well. . . Grow Rack - www.costco.com/Trinity-NSF-6-Tier-Wire-Shelving-Rack%2c-48%22x18%22x72%22.product.100412448.html Not all grow racks are created equal. We found out the hard way. Home depot sells theirs (thats where we bought most of ours) for about $90. The costco version includes the caster wheels and uses a thicker gauge wire. It also has two extra support wires running along each shelf for added support. Lights - SunBlaze T5 grow light. Contact. . . .www.powergrowsystems.com/pages/contact-us They are my local hydroponic store. I buy all of my lights through them. Ask for Devin and Tell them Michael Braman sent you. To fully outfit the shelf you'll need 10 lights (2 lights per shelf). Each are just under $30. Total cost - $300 Grow Flats - Don't waste your time with cheapo grow flats. You will end up replacing them anyway so just pay a little bit extra upfront and save yourself the hassle. We just made a video about them and can be purchased at www.bootstrapfarmer.com/products/microgreen-trays. Each shelf holds 4 flats. Each flat has a bottom tray (for watering) with no holes and a top tray that has holes. Total rack holds 20 flats. I'd recommend ordering at least double the flats so you can plant successions week in and week out. Seed - You will have to trial various seed companies and weigh the variables ie cost/weight, germination % and mold issues. We use Johnny's for some crops, Kitizawa and True Leaf market for others based on these variables. That's the fun/frustrating part! Power strip - The lights I mentioned above can be daisy chained together. We currently daisy chain two lights together per shelf which ends up requiring a power strip with at least 5 outlets. I hope this information helps and saves you some money in the long run. This is our current set up and we've trialed different lights, flats, and racks. You can always find cheaper options but if you are serious about giving this a go, spend a little extra and avoid the cheap equipment graveyard that can pile up by going cheap.

[@piedpiper7051]

Thanks Michael. Great resource. New sub.

[@guillaumejeanetiopathe2285]

@@TPSDmike Thank you very much for all the work you do for everyone. You save us so much time.

[@derekcope3803]

5% gardening, 10% bookkeeping, 50% sales/marketing, 35% delivering. This is 24/7, like everyone else starting their own gig. Still better than working a job, bringing home a tenth of what you make someone else.

[@TPSDmike]

Amen brother. Too many people see/hear "easy money" and they come flocking. "All's you need are some seeds and some trays right?"

[@derekcope3803]

@@TPSDmike Well, that and someone with cash who doesn't have seeds and trays!!

[@outsidetesseract6389]

are the licences expensive?

[@TPSDmike]

Not at all. I would go into your city/county building and ask for the requirements/fees for starting a business. Someone should be able to walk you through the process. There are online options too to get registered with the state.

[@Robs.channel]

What kind of lightning is that ?

[@TPSDmike]

T5

[@frankiew8532]

TRUTH! Talk to anybody who started successful businesses the sacrifices they've had to make to get their business off the ground. The people who are negative and have the time to write degrading comments are just lazy asses that will amount to nothing, who are jealous.

[@TPSDmike]

Thanks for your comment Frankie. Nothing of value comes easy.

[@steve1189]

Youre very inspiring! Keep it up man you'll make it!!

[@TPSDmike]

Steve, we appreciate the encouragement.

[@rashmiramanna8963]

I know nothing but very much interested, if any of you looking for part time worker.

[@kmk391]

thats an intro for ya.

[@juliejenkins2376]

Omg, what was that face at the beginning?

[@TPSDmike]

Haha! That was my “I’ve been up working too many hours and I’m losing my mind” face.

[@jamesdonalds5175]

👏👏👏

[@jpmonin7429]

How come nobody does it outside. Idk anything about microgreens, but i live in fl and i could just do a huge operation in my backyard. I'll put everyones little shelves to shame. Shit i could do my front yard too. Im joking tho. I think it'd be alot easier outside. Just plant water and harvest.

[@TPSDmike]

There are people that grow field microgreens. There are people that grow microgreens in greenhouses with no supplemental lighting. Taking into consideration our environmental limitations here in Utah we decided to grow on racks with supplemental lighting. This allows us to grow consistently 12months out of the year. In addition, we dont have to worry about pests. And lastly, we know if we plant on day (x) we can harvest and deliver on day (y). This is critical when you have specific delivery days.

[@jpmonin7429]

@@TPSDmike hey thanks for the response. i figured cuz most ppl i see are up north. yea pests i can definitely see being a problem with outdoor in fl. Humidity which means mold. What kind of light fixtures do you use?

[@to.sh1.o]

This sounds like you are just explaining your friends why you can't socialize with them at the moment.

[@TPSDmike]

.....The Reality. vs. The countless other youtubers preaching "make THOUSANDS easily growing microgreens in your living room."

[@chadonan273]

I am not looking to make a biz out of this I want to grow for my own food needs:) I think this as a business would be way more competative than it would be worth, but looks like you have put your pasion in this, so never give up!! BTW youtube videos can be very informational, If I had a buisness I wouldnt waste a second of my time on here!, Too many ignorant haters on youtube, Focus on your business and you will win, youtube is now a place for people to try and monitize off the amount of veiws the videos get, so what I am saying is if you are sucessful with your buisness stay off of here, these are pirate waters now on this platform, youtube has peaked for its time, dont waste yours trying to make videos out here thinkig its a freindly audience, it used to be but not anymore!