The REAL TRUTH Behind Nunchucks | Response To Shadiversity |

[@milanifitnessofficial]

Please stay tuned everyone for the FINAL VIDEO in the Nunchaku KZbin saga. We will tie up all loose ends and have a final verdict, clearing up ALL misconceptions and truths. As well as the errors found in this video.

[@vksasdgaming9472]

I am certain that opposition in this case just disregards everything and octuples his attack towards you. Just my pessimistic prognosis on matter.

[@milanifitnessofficial]

@@vksasdgaming9472 He won't have anything to attack, believe me.

[@vksasdgaming9472]

@@milanifitnessofficial Still won't stop him and certainly not the mindless masses that support his "facts". One idiot focused on insulting my appearance instead of presented data in my own response video and I'm going low.

[@constantly-confused5736]

@@vksasdgaming9472 "Mindless masses"? What are you talking about? Reading this comment section I rather get the feeling that most of Shad's viewers have mad respect for Milani and are willing to try to give his arguments a fair chance. I myself haven't formed a final opinion on the issue of nunchucks, but I normally tend to cheer for the underdog. ;)

[@vksasdgaming9472]

@@constantly-confused5736 Mindless masses mean those idiots who spam their messianic mantra of BIG STICK everywhere. Seen them. Unfortunately. I guess they just don't dare to do it directly here. One viewer shows respect and dozen spit, leer and mock. Look at comment section of Shadiversity - root of mindless masses is there and when the guy himself just spews idiotic lies and insults he is even worse. Nunchaku is an evolved stick. Nothing magical in it.

[@shadiversity]

First of all, I really liked your video, you have great energy and are very enthusiastic. Having said that, I disagree with most of your counter points, especially since you've straw-manned some of my statements on nunchucks, and nearly every other counter argument you make has some very serious flaws in logic. I'm not saying this in malice, like I said I actually really liked your video, especially the parts on blocking and grappling, but I would also love to dismantle the arguments you've proposed here because some of them are really bad and I love enthusiastic debate. Having said all that, I'm mindful of the size of my audience and don't want to inadvertently cause a dogpile or cause you any distress if you're not wanting to engage in a proper back and forth, unless of course your channel or this video grows large enough so that the engagement isn't overly one-sided because then it's fair game. If I were to reply I would not be aggressive to you, I think you're great, but I would be very aggressive to the arguments and logic you've put forth and deconstruct them to the level they deserve. So I leave it up to you, if you don't want me to respond I won't, and I wish you all the best in the future. Cheers.

[@milanifitnessofficial]

I accept your challenge to a duel.

[@dukkemonterier3429]

@@milanifitnessofficial You mean a debate? When is it going to happen?

[@milanifitnessofficial]

@@dukkemonterier3429 Hopefully asap.

[@shadiversity]

@@milanifitnessofficial sorry if there was a misunderstanding, but I would be making a video reply in the same way in which you've made this video reply to me, and as I said I would not be attacking you, but your arguments aggressively. You're more than free to reply in turn in any way you like.

[@milanifitnessofficial]

@@shadiversity I believe a video chat debate would be best as no one can 'straw man' anyone's arguments as you said. But if you insist.

[@andrea_k342]

Mad respect for accepting the back and forth between Shadiversity, and also an excellent first video!

[@blah2blah65]

I debated whether to like because he is awesome and brave to take on a big channel or dislike because of logical fallacies (in my opinion). I liked because of the hard hat, ladders, flannel shirts, Home Depot bag, and what look like reflective work gloves in the background, which suggests he or someone in his family is a person who gets sh*t done.

[@EliteAmmunition]

Agreed.

[@SplishSplashdash]

@@blah2blah65 But let's agree that Shad is a site dedicated to neck beard, armchair enthusiast that think they're the best at everything.

[@blah2blah65]

@@SplishSplashdash Haha, yes, I agree! :)

[@Griede26]

ye, not everones first videos, especially responce videos shoow this level of care and controll. you can tell he took the time to deliver a strong and compelling argument. he definately thought about what he wanted to say and show.

[@Guderian2]

Mad Respect for being open to a discussion with Shad! You sir deserve a like!

[@Narinjas]

Not for the information but for the charisma and the terminator balls he has, Congrats and i hope you(he) learns from "Papa Shad" and also check the physics and energy transfer formulas.

[@dereckrock5970]

Well nice of shad to made an almost hour and a half response to a 745 subscribers channel, but you made good point

[@cageybee7221]

@@dereckrock5970 if you watched his response, he actually talks about the difference between the channels and how he almost didn't upload because of it until Milani himself asked him to do it anyway.

[@rod4309]

Came to say this!

[@justletmeinnow100]

Watching this purely for your courage to stand up to a bigger channel publicly and the hilarious acceptance to a duel. Disagree with most of your points due to actually being in fights with most of you're referenced weapons but can respect where the ideas come from. Hope you continue, also hope you possibly go sparing in a hema gym (for safety) to test out your points.

[@axlmagnus]

Shad said not to harass you. I say NEIGH! I shall harass with a Thumbs Up! Not only that, I shall subscribe as well! I bet you never been as harassed like this before! Aha, be in fear of my harassment!!

[@vanivanov9571]

I really like this comment. That was adorable!

[@axlmagnus]

@@vanivanov9571 I really wanted to joke around and be funny. I hope I made at least 1 persons day better. It honestly is a good video and I would love to see more.

[@4diffrentfuture]

@@axlmagnus Don't worry because for me it's a good joke 👍

[@milanifitnessofficial]

Oh no I feel super harassed someone report this man please oh god

[@axlmagnus]

@@milanifitnessofficial muahahaha! My evil knows no bounds!!

[@scottydu81]

I love how respectful these people are when they discuss fighting

[@James-bw4np]

Came here from Shadiversity, mad props for accepting the response video!

[@Patrick33194]

He might have a small and light stick, but he has HUGE balls for insisting Shad posted that video. Have a great day brother!

[@epicureanbard]

Shad

[@totalutilitarian3292]

I second that! Just here to encourage him ;)

[@Tyanus2]

I mean Nunchucks that Shad used had much smaller wooden part than the stick that he used, therefore had less mass and smaller strike force. That doesn't proves or disproves anything else tbh.

[@Sibula]

@@Tyanus2 If the wooden part was as long then with the link it would be longer, so it also wouldn't prove anything by that argument. Of course you could take both into account and find a length and weight where the force is equal but... That's the whole point of the comparison, which would now be useless.

[@naymorningstar]

@@Tyanus2 Basic physics. The only time that a nunchuck would probably be more powerful than a stick is if both ends are perfectly parallel to each other during the moment of contact (which would still not guarantee the best kinetic force transfer due to the stop of the "grip" stick), and that rarely happens. A stick does not bounce, while a nunchuck does, ensuring optimal momentum transfer from the stick.

[@danedormio]

Moral of the story: if you want to grow a new channel quickly, challenge Shad to a duel! 😉🤣

[@letsrank9349]

Nunchuck vs Stick! Imma pay for a Pay per view. Hope you 2 can collab.

[@bigfrankfraser1391]

itwill either grow or die, preferably die

[@kaderloop785]

To be fair I think most of the disagreement comes from the cultural gap. On one hand we have a martial art accomplice who refers mostly to streetfight and other duels where people are poorly equipped; on the other hand, a medieval Europe enthusiast who speaks battlefield and armoured combat. I think you've made it very clear that in most situations that Shad likes to envision, yes, nunchaku are useless. It won't do much against an armoured opponent, and the speed won't compensate for the lack of power. But as a self-defence or assassin's weapon, it can be pretty damn effective.

[@einnutzloserphilosoph]

I think a lot of the resentment torwards nunchuks stems from a lack of that situational awareness. (Almost) nobody's mad when nunchucks are depicted as effective weapons in MMA-centered media. Nobody gets angry when Bruce Lee uses nunchucks. But then there are fantasy settings with those "awesome", "badass" fighters that take out armored and armed opponents with nunchucks. To the point where it feeds into this urban legend that nunchucks could be actually efficient military-grade weapons. And that is the point where HEMA-centric weapon enthusiasts get annoyed be them.

[@JosephFlores-yn4yi]

​@@einnutzloserphilosophwhich is kinda dumb because it's fiction dawg One of the reasons I never took that comunity seriously

[@danedormio]

1. Centrifugal/centripetal force does not add to the striking power because by definition it acts at a right angle to the direction of movement. 2. Even if it did, for a stick of equivalent mass and length swung at equivalent speed, the formula Fc = m(v^2)/r gives the same result.

[@watchyourtimeco1]

Science for the win! I was sincerely hoping to see someone say this.

[@chenoaholdstock3507]

Hallo fine fella! You have earned a subscriber for sticking to your guns. Also known as: Shad sent me.

[@Ciborium]

Nunchuks > guns because guns lose lethality at short range, unlike nunchuks.

[@vanivanov9571]

​@@Ciborium Hahah, that's why they say don't bring a gun to a knife fight! That's not a joke, either. You shouldn't take a knife to a gun fight, at 21+ feet, and you're better off with a knife at grapple distance (and some distance below 21 feet, depending on various factors).

[@Aziraal-Starhammer]

It's a weird saying when you think about it. It kind of applauds those who stand by something, regardless of its efficacy.

[@vanivanov9571]

@@Aziraal-Starhammer True. Doubling down when you're proven wrong with demonstration just makes one look more foolish. Though, I guess it has its basis in brave people who fought to the bitter end, instead of routing.

[@inventiveowl395]

@@vanivanov9571 You obviously haven't seen The Man With Iron Fists - "I always take a gun to a knife fight.." kzbin.info/www/bejne/gaCbp6R4or-FnKc&ab_channel=Movieclips - timestamp 0:26 :D

[@ericsmith5919]

(insert hurtful comment here) There you go, one harassment served piping hot, despite the request by Shad not to do so.

[@milanifitnessofficial]

Damn why you gotta be so mean

[@ericsmith5919]

@@milanifitnessofficial I take out my insecurities on other people, I guess. I can't use nunchucks, so anyone who can needs to be taken down a peg

[@milanifitnessofficial]

@@ericsmith5919 LMAO BABABOOEY

[@thelatterdayarbiter]

Shad sent me. Figured I give you my support because you’re a cool guy all the same.

[@Zenonbuster]

Shad also sent me here

[@TrevorH89]

Me too. I agree with you though. Like most weapons, the skill level and athleticism of the user are the major deciding factors of how effective they are.

[@imreottasen1421]

@Ian Yoder somehow i read "dildo"

[@4diffrentfuture]

Shad sent me as well

[@ZeddTsunderbolt]

I love nunchucks growing up with TMNT in the 90s. They're cool, flashy, and as you said, intimidating to those that don't understand it well. I picked one up years ago and hurt myself like so many others so I'll probably never do that again, but my respect for them has not diminished. Been a fan of Shad for a while now and while my experience sums up a lot of the points he made in his videos, I disagree with the "garbage" sentiment. In any case he brought me here and now I sub to you. Hope you keep making these!

[@thedominator5620]

Mad Respect for being such a chill guy with Shad

[@mixedmartialnutrition1746]

yea no... shad was chill this "martial artist" was the trying to make shad look like a fool over facts

[@vksasdgaming9472]

@@mixedmartialnutrition1746 He certainly has made himself look like absolute idiot cultist wannabe-leader with delusions of grandeur and severely skewed sense of reality.

[@chefdusse]

@@mixedmartialnutrition1746 yeah dude took this too personally and the ego took over. but then again hes a master sensei professional..

[@eminberkunal3919]

@@mixedmartialnutrition1746 I don't see how this is the case while in his video shad literally called nunchucks a trash and threw it to the ground. Very respectful and chill behaviour there. Train in a professional manner for more than couple of years if you want your opinion to be considered as a valid argument.

[@mr.spaceaids5379]

It would be a dream if they collab and argue about the nunchuck and when things get heated they would finish all of this nonsense with a duel where they just flail their weapon and scream autisticly

[@SamanthaLaurier]

Okay I was with you until the dig at autism I'm autistic and neither I nor any autistic person I know scream in any way

[@mr.spaceaids5379]

@@SamanthaLaurier oh...thats nice to know....Thanks for making me realize the error of my understanding of smthing i dont know anything about

[@MarcoPallavidino]

Please, make it so, we need that!

[@The_Rising_Dragon]

@@SamanthaLaurier Isn't Autastic a synonym to Fantastic? Like Fantastic+Awesome?

[@edgepixel8467]

You can’t make fun on anything these days. You can’t even make fun of Zeus worship without someone going “Hey dude, I actually believe in Zeus. Not cool.”

[@MrSaltypipe]

Obligatory "Shad sent me", but in all serious I look forward to seeing what other content you produce! Hopefully there isn't *too much* hostility coming from the shad community, you honestly don't deserve it because this is a very well put together video, especially considering it's your first one!

[@vanivanov9571]

@Ian Yoder Things are certainly going a lot better than they did with Nu. Which is ironic, since Milani was less polite.

[@austincummins7712]

@@vanivanov9571 Yeah, interesting observation- I was thinking about this too. I subbed to Nu after that went down as well. We don't need hordes of followers blindly attacking other channels because they are having logical disagreements- lol. Maybe it is because Milani laid out his arguments, but then was open to the debate and encouraged Shad to publish the video even after seeing it. Maybe because Nu had more followers, and was more respected as an archery authority in the community. All in all- I have no idea why it was different, but I am glad it was. I do not always agree with Shad, but I think he has a spot-on attitude when it comes to having healthy debate- he tries to focus on the arguments, he understands logical fallacies pretty well, and tries to avoid ad hominem attacks (which is saying something when it comes to interactions on the internet). The more people who are willing to do this, the better off we will be. Period.

[@vanivanov9571]

​@@austincummins7712 The difference, is that Shad raged against Nu-Sensei. During the height of the (racial) harassment across all platforms, he posted a video, "Nu-Sensei: Idiot, or Troll?" And later when Nu made some polite comments about Lars' draw, Shad sent him threatening emails. Whereas, in this case, Shad specifically encouraged his friends to be nice to the small youtuber to avoid the reputation for bullying he's had.... Of course, this is also in the video where he makes disgusting sexual jokes, picking on the smallest youtuber that responded for an hour and a half, focusing ONLY on him as the preferred strawman. So I agree Shad understands argument pretty well, and knows what fallacies... using them to his advantage. If a critic isn't extremely mild in their critique, accepting the majority of Shady's points, he accuses them critics of strawmanning, that they maliciously twisted what he said, while simultaneously using the most blatant lies imaginable. He claimed Nu called "Shad's" draw impossible, showing evidence... but if you read the rest of the sentence, after the highlighted part, Nu clarifies it is in no way impossible. The same was done to one of the Historians Shady attacked, when the guy actually said in another comment on screen, "I used to draw that way as a kid, so I know it's not impossible." His own videos prove this about him... so I don't understand how you, a person who I read as kind and genuinely concerned about victims of harassment, has not recognized this.

[@spin.chicken]

@@vanivanov9571 Nice lies.

[@spin.chicken]

It's fine if he wants to make more content, only it has to be correct otherwise it's just pointless.

[@yalkn2073]

Thats the problem with nunchuks, they require more training to be less effective than a stick of the same size (You can do "loadupless" strikes with a stick aswell, you don't have to use it like a caveman. You even did that at the start of the video!)

[@karl3097]

_They require more training_ All weapons need training, need more or less depends on the practitioner. Same with the effectiveness, a weapon is a weapon, its effectiveness depends on how much you've trained. Don't expect to be an expert the first day or the first year.

[@johnholliday7042]

The stick doesn’t have the same intimidation factor, in a modern age where defending yourself has serious legal ramifications the nunchucks are my carry weapon of choice. 90% of the time where I’m in a situation where I need to defend myself the nunchuck has avoided the conflict completely cause after swinging it around for like 5 seconds they don’t wanna get close and stop so the conflict is resolved or you can run away and if I need to I can still finish the conflict cause they are still quite hesitant when approaching and it’s just so much easier to go to town on them then with a stick, a stick is also quite easy to be taken away by a person with any experience and then you’re fucked, thanks to the learning curve of the nunchuck and the fast movement speed I don’t have to worry about that. Almost everyone carries a knife but has never used it in conflict but are not actually prepared to stab someone it’s almost impossible to prepare for it. Most people with a knife are hesitant to ever hurt someone with it since you will most likely end their life or leave them in critical condition with most strikes and if they have a knife themselves you’re gonna be at risk as well.

[@georgethompson1460]

@@johnholliday7042 what if they bumbrush you with a knife? Anyway a big stick and demonstrating the will to use it will have the same effect, having any easily seen weapon can allow you to avoid a fight. The issue with nun-chucks is that they require a higher skill ceiling for little more benefit than using a plain simple club.

[@johnholliday7042]

@Ian Yoder baton not so much I’d say, tasers are tough to get especially in my state and they’re not guaranteed they don’t work on everyone and if you miss you’re fucked. Also they shoot out little pellets everywhere with the serial number which get traced back to you immediately if found and it shoots out so many it’s impossible to get them all.

[@johnholliday7042]

@Ian Yoder also collapsible batons are banned where I am so 🤷‍♂️

[@macobuzi]

One big advantage of a stick over nunchucks: In a worst-case scenario, you can PARRY with a stick and protect yourself, it is really hard to parry with nunchucks.

[@richardm1062]

Just saw Shad's response video and wanted to stop by and give you props for how you handled things. It's nice to see people who disagree but can handle their disagreement in a polite and respectful manner. Keep up the good work!

[@vksasdgaming9472]

Shady really needs to study that which comes naturally to many other people.

[@Slowclikr]

The thing about Bruce Lee is that even though he held his nunchucks at the bottom he still had INSANE control and speed. So that plus the power you get from holding them near the bottom as stated in the video makes his use of them super overpowered.

[@nroke1684]

Wow! This was incredibly entertaining! I don’t agree with a lot of your points, but I would totally watch another video if you make one.

[@lenoigel2626]

I totally agree with you!

[@franciscor390]

Mad respect Milani, accepting challenges like a warrior.

[@CharliMorganMusic]

I think nunchucks probably have more energy but less momentum than a stick of equal length. In practice, it means that it's easier to stop a hit from nunchucks but it will also do more ouch if it hits.

[@shadown5757]

“Is not the weapon but the man” Trunks from Dragon Ball Z. Funny that this is referenced in a cartoon series but it holds a lot of truth 🤷

[@awung11]

As an Asian, the last point was the worst. Nunchucks were originally a Chinese farming tool that got passed to Japan and were rarely used as a weapon historically. If the culture didn't even value it as a weapon, I don't see why it should be today. The nunchucks (ignoring legal issues) are best used as a portable, concealed weapon, hence why it was rarely used by trained warriors.

[@awung11]

I do like your video and think nunchucks are cool, they are more in the self-defense tool category with bats, brass knuckles, screwdrivers, and bricks than true military weapons like its contemporaries in the bo staff, katana sword, and naginata polearm.

[@nicolaspeigne1429]

So like a flail in Europe then.

[@ohiograssman1564]

They are easily pocketable, which is one reason folks can find them useful.

[@superfire6463]

I know it’s not the most dangerous thing a Nunchuk could do. But I always think of how much it would hurt to get hit on the knuckles by one. And that painful image scares me

[@milanifitnessofficial]

If you're a baby it will hurt you 🤣 dude it doesn't hurt at all, don't worry about it.

[@superfire6463]

@@milanifitnessofficial Man, I dropped an eraser on my finger and it hurt

[@vanivanov9571]

​@@superfire6463 Check out the other response videos. Nardz and Object History show that even if your intentionally hit yourself with rebound, it's really no big deal. If it is for you... you shouldn't get into a fight. Period.

[@ferallion3546]

Came from Shad's channel. Mad respect for your maturity and sense of humor. I hope your channel grows man.

[@robertkirk6250]

Speed chuck are better than chain using braided cord which is more quiet and maneuverable. Octagon are very affective, they cut to the bone every stike

[@TheMightyPALADIN]

Grappling with nunchucks can be very effective, clearly this is just one aspect of nunchuck training that you have neglected and it's important because this is how you can defend with nunchucks against long weapons. You have to rush in close and graple the opponent's hand to pull him off balance and follow up with an attack. This is easier if you use two sets of nunchucks but you can still do it with one by following up with a kick first then release your hold and strike with the nunchucks. I've seen it done in sparring sessions. And no it's not easy, it takes practice like any nunchuck tecniques.

[@supersaiyandiclonius3056]

Just came from Shad's response to throw a sub your way. Looking forward to your response to his response. I hope this ends in a duel of nunchucks vs wacky stick.

[@Frity91]

i would pay to see that ;D

[@joshuaclabeaux1470]

Wow! There's so much I'd like to say to you about nunchaks and what Shad Brooks thinks of them. The one thing I'll say here is that I appreciate your research. Nunchaks were never really that popular traditionally compared to other Ryukyuan weapons as evidenced by the fact that no known kata exist for the nunchak; and yet, they NEVER WENT AWAY! So the Okinawans must have had a good reason for keeping them around. If you look at the weapon IN CONTEXT, it's actually quite useful; it was designed BY civilians and FOR civilians for SELF-DEFENSE. The nunchak is NOT a weapon for battlefield combat and it NEVER WAS! It was intended for self-defense in street fights, and it does that very well!

[@jamesjdm]

meh not really, it stayed around because it is flashy and takes skill to use. it was primarily used to try and disarm an appoenent by striking them in the hand or wrist. it was not as you said meant for compbat. if you could disarm someone you would switch away from it to a better weapon like a sword

[@JosephFlores-yn4yi]

​@@jamesjdmcombat is also about disarming an opponent This ain't street fighter, not every fight ends in a KO nor should you search for a KO everytime

[@StergiosMekras]

First of all, congrats on the first video and for accepting the challenge. Now, when it comes to nunchucks, I cannot help but think of that famous scene in SG-1... "This is a weapon of fear, it's meant to intimidate."

[@axlmagnus]

I loved that scene in SG1. Literally an technically inferior army telling the technological advance race “you dumb”. I love SG1.

[@commanderbacon6426]

@@axlmagnus like star gate? If so, awesome, it’s hard to find other people who have watched that show.

[@axlmagnus]

@@commanderbacon6426 my parents got me into it. I watch all 10 seasons and all 3 movies of SG1 and the original movie. Atlantis never got a chance to watch all of it and I won’t mention Universe more than that.

[@commanderbacon6426]

@@axlmagnus Atlantis is more familiar to me, but besides be watched sg1 a lot too. And same, my parents got me into too. I have no clue what universe is about, my brother watched it, so I’ll probably watch it eventually.

[@axlmagnus]

@@commanderbacon6426 just as a warning, Universe is very much a serious show with very little comedy.

[@jerrys1923]

I just wouldn't use a weapon where im not in 100% control of the weapon , regardless of training you can't predict how that rebound is gona be

[@milanifitnessofficial]

See, there's this thing called learning

[@jerrys1923]

@@milanifitnessofficial ofc my man , you can learn a weapon in an out but if you have to predict under combat stress where the rebound is gona be you can easily make a mistake, I'm a security officer and under stress iv fucked up even just using my radio to call for back up, when dealing with a real threat mistakes come easy no matter the training so you need to mitigate that level of error , i dont know if you have ever used this weapon in a actual fight but if you have to rely on pain compliance or fear to put someone down youll have a bad day if that opposition doesnt care about either of those things

[@Omidion]

1:26 "I don't know if you could HEAR THE POWER DIFFERENCE there ?" Wait...what !? 7:07 "If you strike like that you are gonna end up hurting your self." That right there...that's the main issue. There was a guy on YT (Wushu Engineer) that used a load cell to test the power of a nunchuck vs baton he used a scientific approach and he did it well. He's a martial artist that knows how to use them, but he had doubts so he wanted to look at the data, not rely on sound. 7:40 ...you can, also, strike with a baton without any "load up", rest it on your shoulder and you can strike overhead, side, or diagonal 8:26 "...you also get centrigual force" yeah, you also get that with a baton, with anything really, even a bucket of water 8:45 again, you are comparing sound instead of data. Whips work in a different way than nunchucks, whips are thickest at the handle and thinnest at the tip. 10:58 sure but did they didn't compare it with a stick or a baton, no one said u can't break a skull with nunchucks, they apply enough force but again a baton apples more without the chance of hurting your self (and also you don't need training to be able to not hit your self with a baton) 13:06 "...and create an opinion based upon logic" well yeah, i saw Wushu Engineers video that used logic and showed data and that was enough for me, you should watch the video as well if you preach what you say 13:15 "...respect the culture and hmm why did this culture keep this around" As someone who trained Aikido for a few years, made a step back, tried BJJ and saw that the lack of sparing is so detrimental to the martial art...i can say that even tho Aikido is old and tied to a culture with all respect to the Japanese Aikido is mostly bull-crap and isn't a martial art. I will not accept something on the sole merit of it being around for a while, that just isn't a factor in it being actually viable. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The only thing that i respect if you fighting for something you love, taking the time to make and edit a video. For a good and fair argument someone has to advocate on the opposite side, if not for videos like yours and other nunchuck fans i'd be somewhat skeptical. I do not accept one sided opinions at face value.

[@Jaster_Mereel]

Excellent comment

[@sownyp9980]

Was about to comment but this sums it up pretty much

[@vanivanov9571]

Yeah, this video was full of holes. Which makes Shad focusing on it so he can post a 1.5 hour hit-piece all the more disturbing a strawman. Check out this video, that compared an equal stick with nunchaku: /watch?v=jpfUOFCT8I0

[@alexwing3880]

I find the comparison to sticks and batons to nunchucks a bit fallacious. They can both exist in a martial artist’s arsenal at the same time. Kobudo teaches staff techniques more than nunchucks. The staff is the “king” of kobudo weapons, as it were. Training with nunchucks will only elevate your baton, knife, or even unarmed skills. It will improve your hand eye coordination, relaxes, stamina, and strength. The same muscles you use to swing and catch nunchucks will be the same muscles you’d use to swing and catch other weapons. I always say that it’s like a very physical rubix cube at first but I am a major proponent to its benefits. At the end of the day they are very effective street fighting weapons as they allow you to conceal your weapon, pull it out and deliver a smashing blow to the face very quickly. Most street fights are determined by how damaging the very first blow is.

[@vanivanov9571]

@@alexwing3880 Well said. Certainly, I have no issue with sticks. A baton has its own advantages compared to nunchaku, like being one of the very best selectively lethal weapons. You should check out Object History's video, if you haven't already, since it's one of the best.

[@AsianFlew]

Love it when "experts" proclaim nunchuks don't generate much hitting force and then complain it hurts like hell when they accidently hit themselves.

[@mathewhitchiner7408]

Good conversations and respectful arguments! Promote it! Heck yeah, I gave Malani a thumbs up. Not because he's necessarily right, but because he and Shad have had a healthy back and forth, and I want to support that positive interaction. Good work, Shad. Thanks for not punching down. Good work, Malani. Thank you for sharing your experience and proficiency.

[@mathewhitchiner7408]

@Ian Yoder I hope so. And what a fun idea to even get them together in the same backyard.

[@Liesmith424]

"There are collapsible batons..." Which are illegal in California, unlike Nunchucks, which are......apparently also illegal. Goddamit, California. Looks like I'm stuck carrying a self-defense bat.

[@milanifitnessofficial]

I thought nunchucks were legal down there? If they are illegal I believe they require a license, but you are able to obtain them. Also you can make your own and nobody will likely glance an eye, same as up here in Canada.

[@Liesmith424]

@@milanifitnessofficial When I was writing that comment, I also assumed that the batons were illegal, but nunchucks were legal, but I googled it at the last second to be sure, and nope: banned in California for...some reason. Ironically, *swords* are legal to carry, as long as they're sheathed and not "concealed".

[@UnexpectedWonder]

That should tell you how ridiculous the Laws in Cali are presently.

[@milanifitnessofficial]

@@UnexpectedWonder Do tell! In Canada they are worse I know for sure.

[@UnexpectedWonder]

@@milanifitnessofficial I'm not from nor do I reside in California, but I hear about the foolishness that goes on down there.

[@magic3577]

1:55 why is he talking about tricking, a weapon is for fighting and self defence not for being flashy (only thing the nunchucks are really usefull or good for)

[@Jay_Rule]

I really like this video and your explanation. I can tell you are very passionate about the martial arts and preaching facts. I just started learning the nunchaku and today is day 2. Keep up the great work bro.

[@dap2983]

even if it doesn't have the practicality or ease of use of something like a baseball bat it's still easy to see why it's so popular. The level of discipline it fosters and just how beautiful it can be in demonstrations are the main draws here in addition to all the wonderful stuff you showcased in this video of course. Martial arts aren't about the most direct and efficient way to take someone down or else every martial artist would just give up and buy a gun.

[@vksasdgaming9472]

Baseball bat is much less practical than nunchaku is. It is heavier and way slower and predictable than nunchaku is. Not to mention it is impossible to conceal. You get one predictable swing and as it misses you are open to bazillion counters which will wreck you real bad. Martial arts (judo, karate. taekwondo, wrestling, boxing....) are about most efficient way of fighting. Maximum effect with least effort. At least with using wielder's own body or hand-to-hand weaponry. Sometimes that least effort may mean reverse roundhouse kick to head. Sometimes stepping out of way. Sometimes mulching face with small, symmetrically built flail.

[@joshuaclabeaux1470]

Yeah, did it ever occur that maybe being less lethal than a knife is a bonus for nunchaks? It's a lot easier to explain your use of force to the law when your assailant DIDN'T die... like Shad says, the one situation where the nunchak is advantageous is if you need to HIDE a weapon (and as this guy demonstrates in this video, nunchaks do lend themselves to that quite well). My take is that a nunchak is less likely to kill your opponent while still defending you just as effectively (if not better!). Yes, nunchaks CAN smash brains, but this is a rare occurrence. So can a nunchak deliver a lethal strike? Yes, absolutely! Is it as likely to do so as a knife? No, not even close!

[@m0-m0597]

can't do much with a gun in Germany, I'll have to resort to a stick XD

[@DracoPCC]

Gretings from a Chad subscriber. Nice video, fine cuts and good length. Very informative on you own experience, points and views while showing respect to other views and points. I agree that all of us probably should show more respect in general, especially publicly, even thoug it is hard when we are ingaged. Respect man.

[@DracoPCC]

Good point on choice of weapon and transfere of force/power. Both nunchucks and sticks are "rubish" when compared to mauls and battering rams. Different weapons for different jobs :-)

[@vanivanov9571]

@@DracoPCC It's nice to see so many people disagreeing without attacking others. Glad to see so many nice people. You should really check out the Object History response video, Draco. I think it's the best one of the lot, and it references several of the others.

[@Shadowman9348]

The nunchaku was once called the shuang jie gun (two section staff) and was an offshoot of the san jie gun (3 section staff) it was developed during the song dynasty in China it was and is (as you demonstrated) a very concealable & effective weapon. Good content! 👊🥋

[@sdkee]

The problem with the "not striking yourself" line is twofold (1) it relies on control and precision. In a fight situation your opponent is not likely to be as nice as a sandbag. (2) other weapons do not have this disadvantage. It is really a question of why would one want a piece of high velocity wood with potentially random direction flying around when other things could work better. Seriously, if you were in a fight to the death GoT style, would you reach for the chucks or for a sword?

[@vksasdgaming9472]

Always the gun. If you want to poison someone to death would you pick stinging nettles or flask of cyanide.

[@TomkeP1993]

In Newtonian mechanics, the centrifugal force is an inertial force (also called a "fictitious" or "pseudo" force) that appears to act on all objects when viewed in a rotating frame of reference. This force does not "hit".

[@milanifitnessofficial]

Okay well, what about Newton's 2nd law of motion? Which clearly states that force is equal to mass multiplied by acceleration. Now due to the nunchucks naturally faster nature due to inertial force, if their mass is quite significant, then they have a potential to be more powerful than some sticks in some situations, am I wrong?

[@RichardVanTassel]

It is really cool of you to be so welcoming of a critique, even as fierce as the critique is. Great attitude! Please keep making videos and help this community evolve through rigorous discussion >:)

[@haxic]

As a noob when it comes to melee weapons I would pick up a stick/staff/club any day over nunchucks. Not because I think nunchucks are bad, but rather because despite being a noob, I'd still be able to fight somewhat efficient with a stick/staff/club. I could use brute force when fighting with these weapons which is most likely what I would resort to anyway if I couldn't run away and had to fight for my life. Even if I know about some nunchucks tricks, how to hold it and perform jabs, I wouldn't be able to utilize that in a real life fight. Nunchucks got a steep skill curve and anyone who thinks it would be better than a simple stick in a real fight is mistaken, unless if you're a nunchucks super-user/expert/master. As said, I don't think nunchucks are bad. I think they are scary af in the hands of an expert.

[@vksasdgaming9472]

Curve is not that steep as one lesson is enough to learn how to whack with it. Same as with unevolved stick. It just has so much more things to learn than unevolved stick has.

[@haxic]

@@vksasdgaming9472 I don't need one lesson to know how to whack or stab with a stick, and I can do those things fast and repeatedly with a stick. Because again, that's what I'd resort to in a real fight. After one lesson with nunchucks I'm sure I could beat the shit out of a target dummy. However, in a real life fight where adrenaline kicks in and you don't have time to remember how to do things, I'm certain I'd just be flailing around with the nunchucks. I'm really just picking a realistic non-naive approach here. Again, I don't think nunchucks are bad, they are scary but complex. A stick is as simple as it gets.

[@dowe9382]

Well I’m an expert I use two in much like with a boxing form, but the strikes are powerful direct strikes and no swinging based on bruce lee strikes. I will make a video for the first time soon

[@Ciborium]

BIG CHAIN POWER Everyone knows that linking two short sticks with a segment of chain makes the whole more powerful than the sum of the parts. You think baseball players make a lot of Home Runs by swinging a stick? Imagine how many more Home Runs they would make if they cut their stick in half and link them with a piece of chain. Baseball game scores would look like basketball scores.

[@vanivanov9571]

Hahah. Interestingly, Bruce Lee did have pingpong players bat dozens of balls at him, and he swatted them with nunchaku. Kevin Gray also found that nunchaku have more energy and reach than an equal stick in his video. So... turning a baseball bat into a nunchaku could have some advantages to some players, it seems XD

[@tjl4688]

@@vanivanov9571 No he didn't. That gif is photoshopped.

[@tjl4688]

This is a fallacy. By adding a chain, you're creating a numerous amount of new levers that take force AWAY from your strike, compared to a solid stick. The chain of a nunchaku isn't long enough to act like a whip.

[@vanivanov9571]

​@@tjl4688 ???Chains take power AWAY from your strike? What and HOW? Where does the lever put all this energy... into the ether? Seriously, didn't Shad show Kevin Gray's experiment, where he sent the pendulum flying with more force? Did you buy his physics-illiterate stupidity about how striking something isn't about impulse, but more like pushing a child on a swing.

[@vanivanov9571]

​@@Nerd-Power . . . . *FACEPALM* yes, it's basic physics, and you failed at a grade-school level. By this laughable logic, a shorter whip has more power, a longer trebuchet or sling SUBTRACTS energy. For those who might be confused by what he said, a longer bar/haft will add leverage, but so does a longer cord. You can experiment with this, get a few sticks of different lengths and test them out with different cord lengths; put a tennis ball at the end so you can safely test force.

[@-ColorMehJewish-]

I think one major point that is missed is that energy is lost w/ nunchakus. Since they're not solid, energy is either being bounced back or carried through, and thus not transferred to the target. That's likely why you get the cracking sound w/ nunchucks (more speed carried through and drawn across more of the target/bag) B/c they're not transferring the power in your swing to the target like a stick or comparable weapon would. Just mentioning Still a cool looking weapon and can be better than nothing. I def agree with that (but not that they're effective -- efficacy is diff)

[@boychaku1525]

Actually as an expert when weilding a nunchuck I think you can get also a control on the end of the nunchuck but only if your highly trained I mean that's what Bruce Lee did right?

[@milanifitnessofficial]

What I meant is tricking wise, you can't trick using the chain since it's so far from the hand. You can still do all the switching and striking with the same amount of control it's just tougher.

[@SuperFloree]

Everyone send this man good vibes! Absolute baller for sticking to his guns and going up against shad, plus ur legit hilarious dude. Let's be nice on KZbin for once 😤🥳

[@axlmagnus]

Heh, stick.

[@greg77389]

Sticking to your guns when you're this badly wrong is NOT a praiseworthy thing, it just means you're a stubborn idiot who's confidently wrong. We need far less people like that in the world. Confidence is great when you're actually right or mostly right at least, but if you're bumfuck WRONG and still confident... That's a major problem. If this kid has real balls he'll admit he's wrong after watching Shad's response video.

[@milanifitnessofficial]

@@greg77389 Woah bro nice gaming channel, make your own video on nunchucks if mine grinds your gears so bad. Love to hear your professional outlook on them.

[@greg77389]

@@milanifitnessofficial No need, Shad already destroyed you. Also I fail to see how a kid as skinny as you has a fitness channel, as most male fitness KZbinrs actually have some muscle to show for it.

[@CyberianFaux]

@@greg77389 I was really hoping things would keep being positive and debate like as I have saw throughout the comments but there always has to be one person, like you, who goes out of their way to demand someone apologize for having the "wrong" opinion. There are NO wrong opinions just opinions that are well-supported, badly supported, and opinions without support. Devolving into bad language, perhaps as an intimidation tactic from my understanding of your response, doesn't prove you are right and seems more like you are trying to silence someone rather than disagree with them. I don't know why you would intend to do so but, from my understanding, you are being aggressive towards someone for their argument because of someone else's argument and you should really develop your own.

[@Murasame13]

I noticed almost every commenter arguing that if you know how to use nunchucks then they're great. Shad's biggest point is that you require the knowledge to use them before they become a very effective weapon, unlike some other options. Basically that nunchucks are more complicated than other weapons, which is a solid fact that nobody can disagree with. People are seeming to forget this entirely.

[@vksasdgaming9472]

Every weapon demands knowledge for efficient use. That includes huge burning piece of wood.

[@DeathnoteBB]

@@vksasdgaming9472 Seriously, people act like there’s any form of fighting that doesn’t require knowledge

[@Subgenrelol]

This was an incredibly great video, especially for being your first one ever on KZbin. Stoked to see your response, and also mad props to the back and forth!

[@andrewszigeti2174]

I noticed a louder noise from the nunchaku hitting the bag, but I ALSO noticed the bag didn't move quite as much either. This tells me less energy was being transferred from the nunchaku to the bag than the simple stick did. One big reason I'll choose a walking stick over nunchaku in a street fight. In the after-action report when the police get involved, I won't get arrested for using a walking stick to defend myself.

[@stevena.7022]

It's like a infomercial for a stick replacement product. Does your stick strike fail to make a loud enough sound?

[@Edramon53]

Just watched both yours and Shad's video. I think the issue you're both coming at the topic from a different direction and judging by different standards. You're defending a weapon that you've trained in, that's part of an art you practice, comes from a culture you're fond of. Shad's coming at it from a point of if you're in need a weapon to defend yourself, or you're equipping an army, would you ever pick a nunchuck over more common options? Especially if you don't have years of training already.

[@vanivanov9571]

Well, originally, the nunchaku was developed by the Okinawans, to fight against the Chinese and Japanese who repeatedly invaded the island. It was so effective in their guerrilla warfare against the Chinese/Japanese, who of course had spears and swords, that the nunchaku was adopted by BOTH cultures. It's so effective for that role, that criminals today still use it for their own form of guerrilla warfare. So, yeah, there are definitely times and places it's a great choice.

[@MDP1702]

@@vanivanov9571 That is actually seen as a romantization of the nunchuck, since it usually was the nobility/aristocracy that would fight off invaders in Okinawa. A more likely history would be that it was used by peasants during rebellions or such because it already was used as a tool, thus immediately on hand and it wouldn't look conspicious. Another possibility is that is was actually used as some kind of warning alarm by guards, banging the two halves against eachother. The chinese nunchucks actually come from a two section staff, which was a flail-type weapon, probably just to increase its mobility (shorter staff). Do you have historical sources speaking about the nunchucks?

[@vanivanov9571]

@@MDP1702 I put that in the same category as the people who thought the Hittite Empire didn't exist, or the ones who doubted the Gauls performed human sacrifice. But yes, it was based off some kind of peasant rebellions, likely against the foreign invaders. It would be utterly ridiculous if the nobles fought on their own, without peasants to support them.... I learnt the history from my college instructor, who teaches cultural history. And the idea that the Chinese developed it from a two-sectional staff always struck me as backwards.

[@MDP1702]

@@vanivanov9571 *I put that in the same category as the people who thought the Hittite Empire didn't exist, or the ones who doubted the Gauls performed human sacrifice.* For the Hittite we have archeological evidence, comparing the existence of an entire empire to the existence a few rebellions/invasions to proof a weapon origin story is ridiculous. As for the humand sacrifices, we actually might have never known about these without outside writing sources like from the Romans and Greeks. There are many romanticized stories about many things in history, the nunchucks most definitely can fall under this unless you have clear historical evidence it wasn't. *It would be utterly ridiculous if the nobles fought on their own, without peasants to support them....* Actually that is exactly how it often was done, ofcourse you need to take the "nobility" wider including retainers that were higher ranked than peasants (something like very low nobility without much wealth and/or land). Ofcourse they could have used peasants to support them logistically (in fact they almost certainly did), but not really during battle. And even if peasants fought during battles, they'd be giving some better battlefield weapons like spears, etc. Even if can argue nunchucks are a good/acceptable selfdefence weapon, arguing it might be a good battlefield weapon is most definitely absurd. *I learnt the history from my college instructor, who teaches cultural history.* This doesn't say much, a college instructor can say anything, especially if he himself truly believes that history to be correct, this doesn't mean it isn't. Was you college instructor an expert historian that actually delved into the history of the nunchucks? Or did he just like you heard it from his own teacher/someone else. Like I said, it is certainly possible peasants used it to defend themselves because it was on hand and because they thaught it was a good weapon (afterall peasant really didn't know much about weapons or warfare at the time, considering even today intimidation is still seen as one of the best points of nunchucks, they possibly might have had a similar feeling, valueing the nunchucks more as a weapon than it deserves), or maybe it was something that they just could carry with them without suspicion. This doesn't take away that a logical and non biased assessment of the nunchucks actually shows it is not a good weapon compared to other weapons.

[@vanivanov9571]

​@@MDP1702 You seriously missed the forest for the trees, there. Yes, the Hittite Empire was MASSIVE, and attested to... and yet for a long time it was thought to be mythical, despite that MOUNTAIN of evidence. So was Troy, the Israelite slavery in Egypt, and the issue with the Gauls was that historians downplayed the contemporary sources.... So of course there is less evidence to work with, with an Okinawan peasant revolt. And it doesn't matter how big or fancy your degree is, because you can never know for sure. As you say, the theory is plausible. But no, they didn't THINK the nunchaku is a good weapon, the nunchaku IS a good weapon. Police and criminals alike have found it brilliant for their form of guerrilla warfare, even now in the age of the gun. So that comment demonstrates how one projects current views into the past and re-writes history, just from a youtube video.... Anyway, you seem like you're making an effort to debate the subject properly, unlike some others. Not sure if I ever shared it with you, but you can find a list of the response videos which Shady has yet to make lewd insults at for an hour and a half here: pastebin[dot]com/GZpv16QU Just about all of them were better than Milani's, in many ways. But check out OH's one. They honestly don't need a second rebuttal video, as they destroyed Shad and his grotesque comments.

[@kaisercalvin1742]

Random blade lover who got this in my recommended, I wish to say that swords and daggers don’t really lose effectiveness at super close range, and that in fact, they do especially well when at that close of a range. You can stab people so easily with daggers in that range, that it might as well be it’s specialty.

[@shawn6860]

That is what the dagger was used for. Many a knight in full plate armour was ended by a dagger.

[@Jaster_Mereel]

Yup🤣

[@VladamireD]

Daggers? Sure, if you know your way around grappling with one. But most swords are pretty useless at super close ranges, much harder to thrust and slicing isn't a big threat, especially against anyone with a bit of protection like armor. Best bet is to strike with the pommel or guard and try to drive your opponent back (like shown) or drop it and switch to a different weapon (like a dagger).

[@vksasdgaming9472]

@@shawn6860 In Roman Polanski's Macbeth titular character does exactly that: he fights his foe to exhaustion with sword and kills him with dagger.

[@zvonamir1443]

I went down a long rabbit hole to get here and you know what I like your style. It’s definitely it’s because of Shadiversity I found you and I would love to see more stuff out of you... I honestly can’t wait to see the journey you go on if you continue with this channel... I would love to see videos on different types of martial arts and tutorial like thinks on more simple self defence skills... I took karate for maybe about a year and a bit when I was younger and I only remember basic blocks and kicks and I think lessons on things like that would be insanely helpful for people like me to help remember those techniques because I know for a fact I’m definitely making mistakes because I haven’t seriously practiced in a long time but I remember how easy they where to pick up when I was younger... I also think it would be beneficial for people who want to get back into it but don’t know where to start... overall just trying to give you an idea and some encouragement if you want to stick with KZbin as an outlet for either creativity or education (this is an edit because I just re read some bits and I realized my dyslexia messed some stuff up)

[@kittenburger_prime]

Since there is no solid connection between your arm and the striking side of the nunchaku, it seems like the most energy you’re going to be able apply is based on the mass (weight) of the striking side multiplied by the speed squared. If these do damage, it looks like most of the effectiveness comes from high speed and surprise. Compare this to using a direct connection between your muscles and the end of a stick, where all the force can be directly transferred.

[@lightpandaoldaccount5467]

What would win then? Nunchuck user vs. A Kali/Escrima/Arnis practitioner?

[@milanifitnessofficial]

All depends on the Martial Artists in question. However I would lean on the side of Kali/Eskrima winning.

[@vksasdgaming9472]

The one who surprises the other with good blow to skull. Better fighter wins.

[@Aerostarm]

12:10 when practicing any weapon without a chain or a rope you will almost never hit yourself

[@vanivanov9571]

Not really true. Many people actually go to the hospital from chopping their own legs with axes. If you've ever practiced with a heavy headed weapon, you'll know it's surprisingly easy to make that mistake. The number of people who injure themselves playing with swords is also embarrassingly high, often with tragic injuries.

[@MDP1702]

@@vanivanov9571 *Many people actually go to the hospital from chopping their own legs with axes.* "Almost". If you hit yourself with an axe the consequences can be severe, even if you hit yourself only once. Moreover these axes accidents are likely not from using the axes as a weapon, but for example chopping wood or using it as a tool in general, which overall brings the axes more into a trajectory towards yourself then if you use it as a weapon. *The number of people who injure themselves playing with swords is also embarrassingly high* can you give me statistics on this?

[@s888r]

A hit to your body during training doesn't kill you or at least wound you. You know you are training so you obviously don't try hard.

[@vanivanov9571]

@@s888r Indeed. And as demonstrated by Object History, Nardz, and a few others, the rebound doesn't actually hurt that much. It doesn't even bruise their hands when they do it intentionally.

[@vanivanov9571]

@@MDP1702 Skallagrim watched a couple of videos of people hurting themselves with swords. No idea what the official statistics on it is, but I heard the HEMA community was upset about it, since a lot of non-HEMA people get hurt and paint a negative impression of swords. As for using it as a weapon... that's actually worse. Most wood chopping is against a stationary target, and often you can pick the angle least likely to injure yourself. In combat however, under stress, the most common swing is diagonal... and that's the one most likely to cause the injury. You can test it out yourself with a dummy axe. It only takes some practice to avoid it, of course.

[@paulsaxberg6399]

I too am here from Shad, and love your willingness to mutually engage with him the way you both have. This is a basic courage that so many people today seem to lack.

[@vksasdgaming9472]

There is no courage except on one side. This is more like Morgoth going against Fingolfin: source of Evil just has to go crush the insect who dares to come to HIS turf to challenge HIM because if he doesn't, he becomes complete laughing stock to his minions and loses their fear. Those minions are simply useless for that purpose as none of them dares to go squash the insect either.

[@AngryDuck79]

Shad said not to send you hate, so we're sending you props instead. I'd like to think that Shad's audience is a decent crew of folks, and reading through the other comments here only reinforces that opinion. One of the most toxic things in society these days is the idea that you cannot criticise an opinion without criticising he who opined. It's heartwarming to see that there's still a swath of the internet that can hold a rational discourse about ideas without resorting to disrespect to the presenters of those ideas.

[@languagetruthandlogic3556]

Brilliant video - full of experience, real science, sound explanations and realistic practical use. I have used Nunchaku since 1975 - yes, a Bruce Lee disciple. Self taught - with the bruises to prove it! Great to hear you explain all the things I have experienced but always wondered if they were right. Now I know they are.! . Recently I have let the practice slip but you have re-ignited the thrill. Thank you. Let us not forget the training advantages of: spatial awareness, brain training - crossing from L to R , joint exercise, hand eye coordination, muscle building and flexibility, hand eye coordination, anticipation, reflex building, stamina. And finally, don't forget looking cool! From a 70 year old practitioner, respect and thank you for setting the record straight. Nunchaku classes for pensioners? why not Sensei? It is like a finger pointing to the moon, don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glories. ( Guess who said that!)

[@shadown5757]

Excellent point regarding why you don’t slam a weapon and say it is garbage, specially if that weapon have passed the test of time since a tried weapon that have survived the passage of time is proof of its effectiveness and value in the proper hands 🤷

[@Matsudai]

As someone with 25 years of training and fighting experience with various weapons, I feel like the type of experience matters too. I'll be more open to someone who has one year of FIGHTING experience with a nunchuck than someone who has 30 years of TRAINING experience.

[@dukenukem2214]

Exactly. Make somone who has only experience with Kata and make him spar with someone who is experienced in combat. You can see something like that occasionaly in Karate exams. The result is always the same. The Kata-practitioner has no chances to hit with his "theoretically" perfectly executed techniques. Having an oppponent, who is also moving, blocking and strikung/countering back changes the game completely.

[@orlandodiciccio2748]

Spot on!

[@Matsudai]

That being said, I also feel I want to say: I actually like your video and energy! You could have a big future on KZbin! I just recommend you study and fact check EVERYTHING you say in your videos before you post them, the internet can be vary mean to the slightest of mistakes. Good luck! Subbed yesterday to be part of your first 1,000!

[@dukenukem2214]

@@Matsudai It is very nice of you. On other hand: in this video Milani literally requesting the video to be spread (of course that is the purpose of online content) as well as the "word that shad's words" were "nonsense". While at the same time in the video Milani is failing at like 7th grade physics, oh boy the cringe when he claimed nunchakus are banned because of how deadly they are and many other things. This video is spreading mainly MISINFORMATION. If Milani won't soon take responsibility and admit at least the factual mistakes, you are all too kind to him. That's at least my opinion.

[@Matsudai]

@@dukenukem2214 I agreed. Waiting on his next video to see, I guess. Lol

[@samsibbens8164]

Hey there! Came from Shad's, sending good vibes your way. I hope you keep making videos and that your channel grows

[@Ebi.Adonkie]

In economics there's something called comparative cost advantage. I bet you could use a year to learn how to use a good'ol whacky stick and become very perfect with it or you could take 15 years to learn or practice the nunchuks. I think Chad's statements have made you miss the point in my opinion. What he's trying to say is that overall all, a regular stick has more advantage to a user than nunchuks without the disadvantages of the chuks.

[@milanifitnessofficial]

Huh? Short sticks (eskrima sticks) is one of the main weapons I was taught in kobudo. One quick look at my Instagram would tell you this but clearly you're too busy agreeing with throwing a cultural and ancient weapon on the ground and calling it garbage. Time is not necessarily the issue, though it is a factor, the main point is that in order to have such a bad experience with the weapon, either one has to have a bad teacher or try something reckless. To an ordinary person yes a stick does offer more advantages, but if you actually use your 'economics' skills and listen, I said to a Martial Artist who is trained, it offers faster, very powerful attacks, concealment, and unpredictability. I'm not talking about some random person trying to defend themselves. If you have further concerns, please make your own video discussing them. 🤠

[@Ebi.Adonkie]

@@milanifitnessofficial At no point did I agree with throwing the weapon away and calling it garbage. You're making a huge leap there mate

[@dukkemonterier3429]

@@milanifitnessofficial I can learn how to use a pistol on a day then lmao. Also, sticks has disadvantages that nunchucks doesn't. And for real, do you really think that it takes 15 years to know some basic uses of nunchucks? I truly don't think so.

[@milanifitnessofficial]

@@dukkemonterier3429 ?When did I say that? It's simply how long I myself have been practicing them. With a good trainer and a student who wants to learn, one can begin to use and understand nunchucks extremely quickly. Not sure if this comment was directed to me or someone else in this thread however.

[@dukkemonterier3429]

@@milanifitnessofficial Oh my apologizes. I meant to answer the other one.

[@michaelbell8745]

I disagree with the ineffectiveness of grapple or hold with nunchucks. The reason is that you are not relying completely on the weapon, but a combination of skills. Hold an arm and land an ox jaw half a second after. Elbow to the sternum, outward sweep of a foot, head butt... it depends on the situation. But a grapple and momentary disabling of a limb can make a difference. Just my tow cents.

[@almighty_cthulhu]

Coming from Shads channel and this looks great! We got a guy for Knights, a guy for Vikings, a Guy for Romans/Samurai. Now we got a guy for martial arts! I hope you decide to keep doing this and cant wait to see you loosen up a bit! I wish you luck!

[@everlastingwingchundunedin4776]

I liked ya point of not having to load your strike before striking...I think they are good for a simple thing like striking their hands they are hard do defend against because they fly in from random angles...I've bashed punching bags hard targets random objects with them since a teenager and never come close to hitting myself with them...I knew a guy that was amazing at all kinds of kicking, he was able to use them kind of like a 3rd kick and used the circular movement of the nunchucks to spin his momentum in ways that helped his kicking

[@theQiwiMan]

Respectfully, this entire video looks like a perfect embodiment of The Sunken Cost Fallacy: you’ve invested a huge amount of time to get really impressively good at using nunchucks, so you are now motivated to defend them, regardless of how effective or trashy they might actually, objectively be. A serious Martial Artist should develop enough humility to be able to admit that they are wrong about something, even if they’ve spent an insane amount of time pursuing that something.

[@vksasdgaming9472]

How about Shadiversity's vids on same subject are embodiments of opposite: utterly unwilling to step outside of own comfort zone of wacky stick and judging everything as inferior wacky stick. Not even minimal investment of effort to do research on subject. True fighter should have enough open-mindedness to see that his view might not be all-inclusive.

[@pixeljauntvr7774]

@@vksasdgaming9472 He doesn't judge "everything" as inferior to a stick. Just nunchucks, and spends a great deal of time explaining exactly why. OP is right on this one.

[@vksasdgaming9472]

@@pixeljauntvr7774 He only demonstrates his own incompetence and bias on subject of nunchaku. Besides nunchaku is a variation of a stick.

[@nivyan]

I haven't watched any of your content, but I'm subscribing due to the amount of respect you and Shad show each other despite having vastly different audiences - this could've easily turned nasty, but turned beautiful and required both of you. I don't care if you're wrong or not; with that attitude you will become wise soon enough.

[@Matt-yp6ez]

I watched Milani Fitness's video, and I will say that he did not use the appeal to authority fallacy, an appeal to authority would be saying Nunchucks are not a garbage weapon, I trained with them for years, and leave it at that. Milani Fitness, made his points clear and even demonstrated them. His argument seems to be that with practice, the Nunchucks are a lethal and deadly weapon. He made a very good argument. I can see both sides of this, but I would say Milani won this argument, for specific uses and with training the Nunchucks are very much not garbage.

[@Jon-ov4nc]

In fairness you're example isnt an appeal to authority fallacy, it's an anecdotal fallacy. To be more specific the appeal to authority fallacy only applies in limited circumstances, it's not meant to apply to scientists or people who are experts or highly experienced in their field Also accusing someone of making fallacies in their arguement as a way to discredit their arguement is the fallacy fallacy, just because a point may have been poorly argued or even fallacious does not mean the conclusions are wrong In debating it's difficult not to make fallacies and you just need to let them go (except for ad hominems), Shad made many too but at least Milani critiqued the arguments rather than just point out Shad's own fallacies

[@Matt-yp6ez]

@@Jon-ov4nc In what specific circumstances does appeal to authority apply? if the logic of an argument is not sound if no other evidence is provided other than "I'm an expert" I would call that falious bs. I see where the fallacy fallacy comes into play, a badly stated argument does not make the side wrong. But I thought a fallacy fallacy was açcusing fallacy where there is none.

[@Jon-ov4nc]

@@Matt-yp6ez an appeal to authority fallacy is like using the statements of an authority figure to try discredit a position widely supported by scientists or experts. It's a tactic often used by flat earthers, anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers, or religious institutions.

[@Matt-yp6ez]

@@Jon-ov4nc I see how the example I used could be viewed as an anecdotal fallacy, but I was trying to establish authority with the "trained with them for years". An anecdotal fallacy is using an example that applies in one situation but is not the norm, and using that one example to provide a basis for an argument. For example, I drove to work while texting and did not wreck, therefore texting while driving is safe. The example I provided though poorly worded would still be an appeal to authority, along with the examples you provide. A makes claim B; there is something positive about A, therefore claim B is true.

[@Matt-yp6ez]

@@Jon-ov4nc although you were right about the fallacy fallacy, but pointing out a fallacy where there is none should be a fallacy as well. Either way I think it is more important to spot fallacious reasoning when it is present, and to know why it is fallacious, rather then, to be able to name a fallacy.

[@sakesaurus]

1. centrifugal force doesn't make a difference from an inertial frame of reference, such as your target 2. learn to distinguish between centipedal and cetrifugal forces

[@RawSiafu]

"The only thing these are good for are quick powerful, strikes." After 16 years of training... Stick after 0 days of training. Pepper spray, taser, or gun are all also concealable... But I still love numchucks!

[@kyle18934]

I to have learned the powerfull art of the stick. The secret technique of wacking with the stick was the most difficult to learn. But by the end of my 7 year Old endeavors, no weed could over come my fierce imagine filled thwacking

[@chenoaholdstock3507]

Congratulats on 1K subscribers! Keep up the good work, and I have no doubt you'll continue to grow! I know that Shad's video helped you a lot, but don't think for a moment that those subscribers have more to do with Shad than with you. You're doing great.

[@milanifitnessofficial]

Thank you for the comment Chenoa, I am very grateful for Shad's help. I have a message the world needs to hear about martial arts and human self expression and this is one step closer to that.

[@Pyriphlegeton]

Here from Shad. You have my like and subscription for how open you were to his critique.

[@shiwakuseven5859]

I've Japanese-American, and I learned how to use the nunchaku when I was stationed in Okinawa at Camp Hansen, Okinawa. The nunchaku is fun to use for exercise and also to use for kobu-jutsu (weapons art) kata in martial arts tournaments. However, the nunchaku is not a good self-defense weapon because there are far better weapons which allows you to strike an attacker while being out of range for a counter-attack. This, of course, includes a firearm. It also includes an improvised weapon, like a mop handle. A nunchaku is better than no weapon at all. However, if you have the opportunity to choose a self-defense weapon, it is far more reasonable to use a weapon with longer extension, which includes a bariatric cane, which is legal to walk in public with. It also includes law enforcement-grade pepper spray, which also has its disadvantages. For instance, after spraying someone with law enforcement-grade pepper spray, you are still supposed to orbit away from your attacker so your attacker doesn't charge you where he last saw you and ground and pound you.

[@Ja-EdenCheese]

I'm currently practicing on meteor hammer, so if we ever cross paths chances are our weapons will get tangled on each other and we'll never be able to separate them, Also if you've ever heard of traditional okinawan karate, nunchucks are a big part of that martial art and I've seen them use it for grappling the wrist and ankles but they don't throw them, they like just use the nunchucks as somekind of handcuffs

[@markg3305]

Keep at it man, you do an amazing job! I have mad respect for your skills all the way around, not only with the Nunchucks but also with your presentation! You should keep at the videos, i have every confidence that you will go far!

[@r.coburn3344]

This young man has already won. He's exploded his audience with his FIRST video, and I think his arguments are well presented even if I disagree. I hope we can all agree that he's chosen a trial by fire to begin his KZbin career and THAT TAKES BALLS. (Seriously bro how do you swing those nunchucks wou cajones that big??) I personally hope he makes more stuff.

[@DeathnoteBB]

You disagree with facts?

[@ArienDrakon]

Subscribed to you just on the basis of how well / honorably you responded and insisted Shad post his video. Keep doing that and producing fun videos!!

[@the1darkcorner]

Just watched Shad's reply to your reply, and gotta say, Good man for insisting he post. Keep at it on KZbin and other sites, we need more good honest disagreements. All the best. DC

[@Marquisla]

To be fair I think the argument he made is that it COULD be very effective but in less scenarios and you’d need much more training to use it effectively compared to something like a staff. Nunchucks are still a very deadly weapon but they’re much less efficient than a staff in terms of prerequisites and payoff.

[@VienPeaaace]

If people like Shad was alive in medieval era, he would dismiss weapon like flails and bow simply because you need a degree of mastery before they surpassed the ease of use for swords and spears. He's also just being obnoxious, it's like if a dude with a gun channel come to his channel and said "Dude all of your swords is just useless, because we have a gun now, why practice sword technique?"

[@CompleteAnimation]

I enjoy this good-natured debate. Keep it up!

[@erikbjelke4411]

Hope you have a damn good day too, sir! Reposting a comment I made on Shad's reply to this video: I think nunchucks need to be understood in their proper context. From what information I've found (and I have not done exhaustive research, so I may be talking out of my behind), nunchucks should not be classed as weapons. They are *improvised* weapons. They are farming implements that were pressed into service as weapons. This is where their history as rice flails and the argument as regards concealability really make sense. They're something a farmer might easily have to hand or be actively using when men of ill intent sauntered up to his home. You're a farmer carrying a farming tool, no surprise there. What *is* a surprise is that you know how to use this tool as a weapon with relative effectiveness ("effectiveness" here defined as "better than nothing"). Within that context, sure, nunchucks could be surprisingly effective and deadly improvised weapons. They are still *improvised* weapons. I feel I should point out that I would not consider Shad's stick here an improvised weapon. A simple weapon, yes, but it was deliberately engineered to be of maximum utility at hitting people, and has no other real function. It's not long enough to be a proper walking stick relative to Shad's height, it isn't really useful as any other manner of common tool, it is made to hit people. It is a whacky stick. It is a weapon. So it really shouldn't come as a surprise that it outperforms an improvised weapon. I think "stick," I think "stick you might find on the ground." Never straight, rarely thick or robust enough to deliver solid impact force to an attacker. Shad's stick had to be crafted, just like nunchucks, taking a usable piece of wood and removing unwanted mass to make a straight, long, thick wooden stick. No stick I've encountered just laying around would perform so well without some minimal carpentry applied to it. For a modern day equivalent: You're raking your yard. Bad people come intent on violence. You have your rake. Is that an effective improvised weapon? Certainly. Does it have flaws that make it improvised? Yes. There's that flimsy metal or plastic fan that inhibits mobility and isn't particularly useful for striking, for starters. But if you have to defend yourself and it's rake or bare hands, is rake better? Unless you're an expert in unarmed combat and are reasonably sure your opponents aren't (and also aren't experts in whatever dedicated weapons they have), then yes, rake is better. Same logic, I think, applies to nunchucks. Though I say again, I have done nothing resembling exhaustive research on the topic, so I may have no idea what I'm talking about. But. . . anyone else think we need Kyle Hill to chime in on this, specifically about centripetal/centrifugal force, and how it applies to nunchucks specifically, and flails, both agrarian and martial, in general?

[@highlightermarca-texto3281]

Making this comment more for the algorithm than anything. I like how you went over the advantages and disadvantages, the Nunchuck does indeed have a speed advantage over other blunt weapons. However, I still find them impractical, because of the training required. I'd rather practice with a more intuitive weapon that is more readily available, like a stick. Seems like a more productive use of my time, if my goal is self-defense. If the goal is artistic flare and looking cool, Nunchucks are a great pick. Also, I don't think there's anything wrong with admitting certain aspects of Martial Arts are more "Arts" than "Martial"

[@vanivanov9571]

Well, it honestly is that hard, Felipe. Weapon Man decided to try it, just handing one to his wife, and this was the result: /watch?v=f4yUTv4vLpw Everyone I know who tried to learn it as a weapon, they got it within a few days, less than a week. So that might be twice as long as a stick... but it really barely matters. You can check out his channel, or Iron Body Martial Arts, or Professor Punch, for more. Object History also did a FANTASTIC video, possibly the best one.

[@tjl4688]

But they don't have a speed advantage.

[@vanivanov9571]

@@tjl4688 They do. Comes with having less torque and using mechanical advantage. Check out Kevin Gray.

[@cageybee7221]

very proud of all the comments not being hateful towards this guy, shad's community are probably some of the chillest people on the internet.

[@iciclecold2991]

You make very valid points. The most notable is that nunchucks are NOT a weapon you can just pick up and use.

[@aaronsimmons9193]

Just want to say that even though most people are here to see the LEGENDARY battle of Milani Vs. Shad. I for one would actually love to see this channel grow. I think that with the personality, charisma, and most importantly the experience you have in martial arts, you could start a channel instructing people in other weapons or techniques. Who knows, you might get some underrated weapons into the spotlight like the nun-chucks. Best of luck... P.S. Would absolutely LOVE to see maybe a colab of you and Shad live talking more about nun-chucks and maybe other weapons!

[@milanifitnessofficial]

Wow Aaron I really appreciate your comment. I know you have barely seen much of me, my Instagram in the video description will give a bit more insight but I understand that basically nobody knows who I really am outside of this video. I have an important message for the modern Martial Arts world and I figured I'd kick start it with this. My video is not perfect but I will make drastic improvements as we move along. Thank you so much again for your support, I've been wanting to do this for a long time.

[@aaronsimmons9193]

@@milanifitnessofficial Absolutely! I'm glad I can give support. Get your message out there. I for one kind of shared the whole Milani V. Shadiversity Showdown to other friends, hope you don't mind. The video doesn't always have to be perfect either, I think it's more the personality behind the screen. You know? But I really wish you the best and I hope the channel kicks off!

[@raybrandt]

Yet another Shad fan here. You'll do great kid, good luck!

[@ibrahimshokry4084]

Respect, Thank you, Milani.

[@linhimura9980]

Thank you for standing up for nunchaku and practicing MA. I encourage you to explore grappling with them as one of their primary uses is grappling and there is a lot of literature on the subject, typically you’d want a shorter length of cord, or chain to do such easily..I too have been practicing Kobudo for over a decade and can promise you there is a viable application. Next time you are in your garage wrap the chain around your wrist or forearm, hold one end with your body and gradually apply pressure with the other and you will experience the debilitating pain at some point without having to use much force. With a shorter cord you don’t have to wrap all you have to do is drape them over a limb and move the ends together so imagine what would happen with intention. I say this to you not to be any kind of way but to be a brother and hopefully encourage you to explore more options with the weapon I implore you to look at this with an open mind. I’ve been Karate-ka for 16 years and am not trying to lead you astray, thanks again for standing up to fight the good fight and good luck with your journey.

[@Therogueone2103]

“They claim they can use the chain to stop a sword, no they… Do you want to die?!” Beautiful

[@jackdunne6152]

I learned to use nunchucks about 30 years ago, and still practice with them today. Maybe this makes me a little biased, but I've seen what they can do, and I'd be more than comfortable if I ever had to use them. I enjoy Shad's content, but Inhave to show my support for team 'chucks.

[@vanivanov9571]

Great to hear, Jack. You should consider checking out the other videos responding to Shad, as I think they were even better. Especially Object's one. I put the list on PAstebin. pastebin[dot]com/GZpv16QU

[@pp_jasperki]

I didn't like or dislike the video, but I subscribed. BTW, I'm on Shad's side of this argument. I love nunchuks, especially how Bruce Lee or you in this video handled them. But as a weapon, I would always choose stick before them, as I never trained nunchuks and on first attempt to do anything I hit myself badly - never happened with a stick.

[@averagejoe112]

Here from Shad! Hi!

[@micschoon5634]

Another Shadiversity subscriber inbound!!!! I did not like this tool long before I met Shad so no love lost there; but I am a sucker for a healthy debate so keep up the good work:)

[@vksasdgaming9472]

There is no healthy debate in this case. Shadiversity made bogus claim, got constructive feedback and now is going to full war of insults, belittlement, straw and rambling incoherence because somebody DARES to challenge his point which really isn't a point.

[@micschoon5634]

@@vksasdgaming9472 Well... That is deffinitely one way of looking at it... However I ought to point out that you spelled strawman wrong, Shad did not use a stawman, Shad corrected a mild stawman commited by your gracious host, and finally people might take you a little more seriously if you formed a complete thought in your borderline-Maoist diatribe.