The Reality of Understaffed Hospitals 🏥 Is It Worth It?

[@Manofthewoods.]

leaving medicine after 1 year is brutal. the debt you incur and the time you spend in med school is life changing. I hope shes doing better, but at what cost.

[@tab8294]

Bro is becoming handsome day by day 📈📈

[@FLAC2023]

In the ER, now I am seeing sometimes 40-50 patients PER SHIFT! They want you to go home and finish your charts at home WITHOUT PAY during that time...

[@Agtsmirnoff]

On a 12 hour shift? That’s less than four patients per hour.

[@FLAC2023]

@@Agtsmirnoff so? You know anything about the ER?

[@whazzas5023]

Intern year can be brutal. You are learning the actual skills of being a doctor, not just the theory and foundation taught in school. It's very important you are in a supportive training program. It is also key to know that things tend to get better. But you need to put your own health first. Doctoring is stressful and doctors have a higher burnout, depression and suicide rate than the general population. Hopefully we can make strides in wellness for all doctors, nurses and allied health providers. We need to ramp up training programs to have enough medical staff for our worldwide aging population, overworking and burning out our current workforce is not sustainable.

[@FLAC2023]

It's going to get much worse. As they keep spending more and more money on tech, nurses and doctors are going to be left behind... And they will keep quitting ...

[@FLAC2023]

I'm happy for her! Go and be happy girl!!! Medicine nowadays is a disaster...

[@FLAC2023]

So they got you seeing 40+ patients per shift and if you get slightly cranky one day they will fire you, no questions asked!

[@Agtsmirnoff]

Who?

[@susanchristineknisely3546]

Its deeper. Consumers don't want to pay what we want. Case point, one local guy I know in Vegas who was ok with spending $180,000 on a timeshare on the Las Vegas strip but didn't find any value in a $1,700 ER bill, and he has the money to pay the $1,700 ER bill in full without it affecting anything else in his life, like $1,700 is pocket change for this guy, so my point again is what consumer's (patient's ) value.

[@yeyeye-lx2nq]

In Romania during residency, in certain specialities i.e OBGYN, gastroenterology, all surgeries, etc, you work 24h shifts plus 7-8h in the following day (the normal scheduelle in the day after), resulting in 32h shifts Oh, and usually, unless you're really really lucky, those 24h shifts arent paid as a resident. . its a disaster yet nobody talks about it.

[@FLAC2023]

Nurses can write you up for the most silly things and administration will support and promote it....

[@SimplyPreet]

So true unfortunately

[@jasonlang9074]

Same things happen to nurses

[@FLAC2023]

@SimplyPreet unfortunately divided we fall...

[@SimplyPreet]

@@jasonlang9074 not exactly due to their unions

[@susanchristineknisely3546]

Really? I've never seen a hospital administrator get a doctor in trouble because a nurse complained. Doctors are assets to hospitals because they make them money. Nurses are disposable liabilities to a hospital. Now, in Vegas, I did have to call the Medical Director/Chief of Staff on one surgeon who hadn't consulted on a patient in over 24 hours and he told me to tell the patient to "fuck off" literally he used those words but it was the big doctor in charge that fixed the other doctor, not hospital administration.

[@invictuous9222]

Seems like residencies value being pragmetic more than emphathetic? But medical school admissions value empathy more…. Hmmm

[@FLAC2023]

Hospitals keep spending more and more money on tech... nothing left for the workers

[@bettysmith4527]

It's not spending on tech it's spending on OVER PAID CEOS and LEADERSHIP!!

[@KevanJayasooriya]

Wanna be a doc + businnesman = ENTrepreneur

[@ownthispwn]

there needs to be regulation for hospitals. this is fukin insane. how are u caring for peoples LIVES and understaffing constantly

[@monicaperez2843]

If the calling is not there, no amount of pay or prestige will get you there.

[@RykerMcDuffy3487]

Yeah well it's socialized healthcare what do you expect

[@monicaperez2843]

We need a return to Catholic medical (they used to say nursing, but now the term includes doctors) religious orders.

[@johncochran88]

I swear as much as I havent wanted to go to med school since being a medical assistant back in 2018 All I ever see on youtube is doctors quiting and everyone saying "do something else dont go to medschool this aint worth it" lol I want/wanted to be a pathologist their work life balance cant be that bad right ?

[@reedescalde1897]

you just need to recognize the difficulties (which are vast) and decide if thats what you want, i personally would chose it over anything else in life. Path is well known for having a better life as well

[@RykerMcDuffy3487]

Most of those students are garbage students who went into medicine for the wrong reason. I know one of the "I'm quitting medicine" ppl personally (same med school class) they were absolutely a DEI admit that was more focused on their social media accounts than actually learning medicine. This job is hard, but not harder than any of the jobs I had before this. If you have only ever done school then medical school can be a gut check when you start clinicals, and residency even more so. If youve ever worked in a reasonably challenging career field then it's pretty comparable. If you were a teacher before medicine you might struggle, but if you were prior military or EMS or anything else that's actually challenging, it's honestly an improvement.

[@Agtsmirnoff]

People have grown soft in these times

[@dtae7855]

@@RykerMcDuffy3487What made them a DEI admit? I’m curious what characteristics did they present to make you think that? Were they a POC?

[@RykerMcDuffy3487]

@@dtae7855 if they were a white male they wouldn't have even got an interview to this school

[@monicaperez2843]

Do your research, and pray/meditate, is medicine your calling?

[@Agtsmirnoff]

Or go work in the field for a while, shadow, see if you really have a taste for it

[@ar15araghi6073]

Wrong people getting In medicine

[@Agtsmirnoff]

Seems like she wanted to medicine trying to be a social media star, not a doctor

[@FLAC2023]

@@ar15araghi6073 and who are you to decide?

[@FLAC2023]

You can work at Home Depot from early age, save and invest as much as you can. By the time you are 40 you will be rich. Don't marry losers! Skip the BMWs!

[@bettysmith4527]

Cry me a river! Try being a nurse running your ass off with constant interruptions, having to deal with EVERY SINGLE want/need from the patient/family, being the emotional punching bag for EVERYONE, constant demands from patients and families AND DOCTORS/PROVIDERS, constantly on your feet, no stop stress, all with mediocre pay!! In the US the biggest issue is greedy CEOs and leadership in hospitals demanding million dollar plus salaries, all while sacrificing patient safety and staff well being!

[@RykerMcDuffy3487]

I just looked up and entry-level nurse job in my local area.... $45/hr minimum pay. That's 86k a year based on a 40hr work week. That's more than the residents working 80-100hr weeks - oh and those residents have an additional 4 years of advanced medical training (medical school). You think the 4-6 low-acuity patients you have to take care of for 12 hrs 3x a week is difficult? I've rotated at programs where the intern on weekends has 100 patients + consults on a specialty surgical service. Nursing is a relatively easy path to the middle class. You have to be of middling intelligence and don't have to compete that hard.

[@bettysmith4527]

@@RykerMcDuffy3487 LOL, oh waaaaaaah I'm a doctor I have to go visit a patient for 10 minutes without laying a hand on them, then order a million dollars worth of unnecessary testing because I only know how to assess labs and radiology tests (not actual physical patients), then spend another whole ten minutes telling the patient what the radiology/lab test showed, then order a million dollars worth of unnessesary treatments and interventions that the nurse gets stuck doing, then you have to write a discharge order which includes forgetting a medication or screwing something else up so the nurse spends 40 plus minutes chasing you down own to correct it, OR if nothing is found with that million dollar work up, you order another million dollars in testing before telling the patient they have a virus and can go home now. Get off your high horse, doctors are nothing special and most "middle intelligence", if that is even a phrase, could get through med school if they wanted to and had the motivation. I am also a paramedic and can run circles around some of you doctors when it comes to running a code or dealing with a critical patient on a floor, most of the time these supposed HIGHLY EDUCATED physicians can't even follow ACLS properly or figure out what to do in an emergent situation!! I had a hospitalist give a patient with afib with RVR who was HYPOTENSIVE Amiodarone on top of cardizem, on top of Loperssor, the patient ended up nearly dead on pressers in the ICU!! I had another supposed HIGHLY EDUCATED physician attempt to give a patient in SVT multiple fluid boluses because she thought the SVT with a rate of 180 was sinus tachycardia!! I am not in the least bit impressed by physicians or their training, you are all taught to asses TESTS and not patients, and a large majority of hospitalist are totally inept at handling emergencies and in some cases non emergencies!! I had a patient with a high white count and the HIGHLY EDUCATED doctors spent DAYS AND DAYS ordering labs and tests trying to find this magical source of infection, the PATIENT HAD A CENTRAL LINE and had a significant bump in her white count the day after that was placed.... hmm, what could the infection source be!

[@MannyFresh4251]

Instead of playing the oppression Olympics with tasks and activities you could express a bit more empathy for people who also have it very difficult in the healthcare system. It is immensely stressful being responsible for 40+ patients. Intellectually managing/treating that many people is absolutely insane. Nurses have it hard too. But that does not mean it’s a walk in the park just because the KIND of work is different. It’s just as demanding and sometimes more than any other position in the hospital…….

[@scorpionzz885]

Nurses are paid pretty good.

[@cassandrajones-s4f]

You Nailed It!

[@Agtsmirnoff]

Maybe if she had spent more time focusing on being a better doctor and improving her efficiency and less time on being a social media star, she wouldn’t have felt the need to quit