The Red Bull F1 divorce that Verstappen needed to happen

[@gamerpixels2374]

Max pointing at the Honda logo at his 1st victory with the new engine is a clear sign of how happy he was with it. Max also expressed his hate towards Renault quite passionate in interviews.

[@purwantiallan5089]

Hopefully not a downturn sign for Red Bull.

[@nosebleedpuddle]

@@purwantiallan5089 Sorry what?

[@raymond_rayder]

He made a subtle joke about it at the Goodwood Festival of Speed earlier this year. Asked about the different Red Bull cars featured in the parade, Max remarked one of the Renault-powered cars was, "...not very fast in a straight line, but that wasn't the car!" Adrian Newey wrote in his book about how he and Christian Horner had made a special trip to the Viry facility to essentially beg for some kind of commitment to improving performance. The answer they got was something akin to "meh".

[@NicotineRosberg]

Iconic photo. Truly remarkable. I still remember we all had doubts when Redbull was making the switch to Honda

[@NandoFIT-df8ly]

in contrast, ricciardo chose to join renault at the time 😂 one is a 4x champion, the other now jobless

[@RAXax]

Good riddance Renault. They're the ones who pushed the hardest for the move away from v8s by threatening to pull out only to fail with the new engine regs and pull out anyway.

[@danielhenderson8316]

And there was also news that Carlos Ghosn only wanted to stay in F1 because his marketing team said it was good for business and that's all.

[@ncormontagne]

What's sad is the fact the engine is only one part of the Alpine headache... And it's not even the worst.

[@TeamSenke]

wait hello, they pushed the hardest? please reply, what if they didn't? would the v6 still be here?

[@purwantiallan5089]

​@@ncormontagnewhy its not even the worst one?

[@purwantiallan5089]

​@@danielhenderson8316he is originally planned to stay in F1 for at least 5 more years.

[@Ontryan]

Honestly, I never expected Red Bull to be this successful after signing the Honda deal.. Remarkable turnaround.

[@Sum_Ting_Wong]

Honda had twice the data they needed (Red Bull and Torro Rosso) they needed so could reduce the gap to the others twice as quick

[@mralexpub]

Not too bad for a GP 2 engine

[@MercedPDF]

That just shows how bad McLaren screwed Honda in their time. Thanks, Ron!

[@classicsportclassictiyl8547]

@@MercedPDF McLaren got karma for that in their first season with Renault which exposed that there were arrogant and chassis wise they weren't as good as they thought they were

[@purwantiallan5089]

​@@Sum_Ting_WongWithout Honda, Red Bull could've been already nowhere since 2016.

[@raymond_rayder]

One small addition that gives some extra context: Adrian Newey's book mentions him and Horner making a trip to Renault's engine base at Viry in an effort to push for a solid commitment to improving performance. They were essentially told to go kick rocks. Renault seemed to barely give a shit, and - prior success or not - ditching them was the best thing to do. Say what you want about Horner, on this he was 100% right.

[@shronklescrimblo69]

the honda logo in the rb16b is beautiful

[@mhj360]

The timing of this video and the ambiguous title is absolute click-bait when the F1 world is waiting to find out what is happening with Sergio Perez’ contract. You can do better than this THE RACE…

[@mxchael_0385]

Not annoyed tho, I've wanted a video on this topic for a while

[@tazionuvolari8142]

Theres 2021 cars on thumbnail and Sergio is not married to RB, so i dont see the problem

[@davidip8900]

Ngl the thumbnail is literally a 2021 car and no news has been announced? If you’ve been deceived that genuinely sounds like a you problem, this is a far more interesting topic than another video about how Perez has been shit this season and may be replaced.

[@tarikviaer-mcclymont5762]

Thanks for saving my time you are a legend

[@iiTsFaded_]

it’s literally a historical video, calm down “stop inventing” -Carlos Sainz

[@justinbest9429]

So proud of Honda, I can't wait for the new era with Aston Martin, hopefully the package gives Alonso he's much needed Third Title 🤞🏻

[@87TIG]

The fact that Renault's "performance division" (what they call Alpine after it was acquired) has decided not to use Renault power units is probably the most damning development in the Renault saga.

[@TheHarrie93]

Unlike McLaren, RedBull actually had race winning cars with an under performing engine. Something McLaren painfully found out after their switch to Renault after blaming Honda for years on end and still being a back marker.

[@ediltonspencer6974]

First mistake was pushing Honda to return 1 year ahead of schedule. Second mistake was insisting in that "size-zero" concept that was heavily compromising the engine performance and reliability. As soon as Honda freed itself from the size limitation, performance was immediately unlocked. Yet McLaren and Alonso kept humiliating Honda when they could have had a very good partnership. Honda should've never let Alonso race with their engine ever again.

[@danielhenderson8316]

​@@ediltonspencer6974 Let's not pretend the 2017 Honda was on the same level as the Renault. That was a brand new engine for that year that Honda had issues with the whole season, especially if you watched that McLaren Pre-Season documentary on Amazon Prime that year. This Honda engine didn't become worthwhile until the end of the 2018 Season and would have still been blamed by McLaren for their chassis problems. If anything, this worked out the best for McLaren and Honda. McLaren got to fire everyone buried the company and almost into bankruptcy and Honda got a partner that could help them improve and both won championships. It was also the Honda engine the blew up for Alonso at the Indy 500.

[@35pen61]

What the hell is the title bro 😭❓

[@marketplaceaddiction]

Verstappen = clicks

[@hustler539]

I've noticed this channel is moving towards click bait titles annoyingly 🙄

[@AnarRamazanov-po5le]

Really thought it was Perez getting sacked

[@Poorez]

@@AnarRamazanov-po5lesame literally went on the f1 app to check

[@sebulbathx]

I thought this would be something news worthy. But a pretty pointless video, imo. But they use the Perez situation to get clicks on an old story. Bad,

[@ronald3836]

Note how engines are almost never mentioned anymore in F1 since the new regulations kicked in in 2022, ending the Mercedes era. Now it is all about aerodynamics.

[@jackcowley8740]

Because we’re in an engine freeze. Come 2026 engines will be very relevant again

[@aslamnurfikri7640]

Because after the engine freeze Mercedes, Ferrari, and Honda are only a few hp apart. The difference that could be made up by aero. Renault is the only one lags behind and only Alpine uses it so nobody cares. Ground effect era also puts more emphasis on aero

[@givemeabreak8784]

It's crazy how a beverage company re-shaped the F1 and Motorsport 😮😮😮

[@RetroGenetic]

I'd say now adays they are more of a sponsor of anything that requires proverbial "balls of steel", with neat canned product to make some money :P

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

@@RetroGenetic Honestly Red Bull are a marketing company that happens to make energy drinks occasionally (some good flavours I must ads) lol

[@aslamnurfikri7640]

Previously a clothing company too

[@baddoer]

Thing is, Renault V8 were glorious engines. Their V6 turbo were abysmal, however.

[@crazycjk]

A lot of people complaining about the title, but this video was far more interesting than the inevitable Perez video will be

[@09csr]

5:20 this is incorrect: Honda did not enter in 2015 with a spllit turbo, they did in fact not go that route until 2017.

[@Spykolofficial]

Unfortunately, the Honda exit Im sure is something he doesn’t want. It’s really being overlooked, but when Honda gets together properly, miracles happen.

[@TassieLorenzo]

A Newey-designed car with a Honda engine *and* a bucket of money from Lawrence Stroll has to be attractive for Mr. Verstappen!

[@jcdenton3062]

Stroll SR. will sack off his little boy from team for Max.

[@ediltonspencer6974]

​@@jcdenton3062most likely sack Alonso than his beloved son.

[@michaelredford5389]

As much as FOM would dislike it, I wish independent engine suppliers returned. Cosworth, BMW (before they made Williams a works project), etc... With F1 the way it is now, unless you make millions of cars every year, or are a smaller sports car maker who is owned by a conglomerate, they don't want you on the grid. It's amazing that Haas and Williams are still around at all to be honest.

[@petercasserly245]

Only 50% of the grid are car manufacturers

[@purwantiallan5089]

Cosworth becoming Red Bull Honda's new engine might be very interesting news.

[@theempires5]

Unlikely. Cosworth needed a major car manufacturing backing to get back to F1. BMW too busy at WEC.

[@LimitPro1]

BMW isn't interested in F1 the CEO made it clear as much even the president

[@michaelredford5389]

@@theempires5 I didn't mean them specifically. They were just the first examples which came to my head

[@isocuda]

THe RBRs and especially the AlphaTaurusBullWhatevers looked best with the big HONDA decal on the rear wing. Really wanted to see the Honda badging stick around.

[@charlespletzke8311]

Ah yes welcome back winter break content how I’ve missed this

[@espvp]

The last few seconds of this video are stored somewhere with The Sopranos true ending

[@ChuyR.]

Believing, hold on to that feeling! Street lights people!!! Ouoohhh

[@purwantiallan5089]

​@@ChuyR.McLaren already takes notes of this.

[@kpingvin]

😂😂 I only just watched it a few days ago!

[@shadz876]

Honda power baby!!! fuck all that noise about electric and europeans. Give me a good ole fashioned Japanese car, any day of the week.

[@purwantiallan5089]

The VTEC on 2024 RB20 seemingly got nerfed massively.

[@yanikdavid3708]

The funniest part of all this was Danny Ric moving to Renault after the fact that he was the one who was affected the most with the Renault fiasco engines.

[@kyleharrison713]

This is why I love that RB went out on the limb and began the process of making their own engines. No more messing around with someone else hoping they get it right. It'll probably be a struggle at first but in the long run they will benefit.

[@LucasOliveira-tt2ll]

That Toro Rosso win still stands as the sole Ferrari client win in history

[@SDRaygon]

Torro Rosso used Honda in 2018 and Redbull started using them in 2019

[@MrPwncake]

The cultural difference being politics ranked higher than performance. Brilliant engineering, terrible work culture.

[@OceanofEmbers]

Still makes me wondered what if Honda and Mclaren Split earlier and the RedBulls where Honda Supplied from 2017/18 onwards instead.

[@FirearmofMutiny]

We probably would have gotten the epic Hamilton/Verstappen title fight a year earlier

[@brianvogt8125]

Several years later, we can see that Christian Horner never forgave Daniel for running out on him - just taunted Daniel with the "hope" that he might get back into a RBR seat.

[@Aditya0696]

I hope you guys come out with a similar video for the McLaren - Honda era and their run the constructors championship. It's a F1 lore that more people should know and talk about

[@purwantiallan5089]

Tsunoda joining Red Bull in 2025 (if possible) could be also a massive key story.

[@TassieLorenzo]

@@purwantiallan5089 Supposedly Lawson is all but confirmed... Unfortunately I don't expect Tsunoda to be confirmed at RBR, but it would be a pleasant surprise.

[@reallifekaizen]

Turns out that Renault was the real "GP2 engine"

[@danielgreensides8463]

What a feel-good story for Honda

[@Chaka2225]

Crazy that Renault went from champs to out of the sport within a decade. They need to take some lessons in perseverance from Ferrari and McLaren

[@piero2611]

Champs to Chumps 😂

[@TassieLorenzo]

Bizarelly, Renault's poor product and service meant they lost all their customers like Toro Rosso, McLaren and even their own works team Alpine!

[@prospekt_1]

Honda, The Power Of Dreams!

[@henkormel5610]

Riccardo didn't go to Renault due to not trusting Honda as an engine supplier. He ran due to loosing the fight for team dominance. The former is the public reasoning and the latter the truth.

[@Mandykiss4500]

Actually, Honda was a Massive Reason why he left, DTS is NOT REALITY!!!

[@henkormel5610]

@Mandykiss4500 As I stated that was the excuse.

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

Yup Max was already faster than him by mid 2017 by 2018 the gap was growing and growing

[@emmanuelsengo684]

I love it when the Race does this give us content of the short view back to the past.

[@mattwills87]

you forgot the KERS system that RB chose not to use

[@juanjan__]

9:37 that podium 💀

[@borandiUK]

4:00 overlays are wrong

[@RyanW_13]

Hi Edd Great content as per usual. Bravo! 1 tiny oversight; Red Bull did not win the constructors title in 2021, as that honour went to Mercedes

[@fungusamongus69420]

At least they only teamed up with Honda in the late 2010s, so no GP2 engine for RB 😂

[@gre4ny214]

It was Renault that was threatening to pull out of F1 if they didn't change to the hybrid turbo engines.

[@maroonmonkey7475]

What the heck is the caption trying to say lmaoo… Godzilla and kong had strokes lmao

[@ericmcmanus5179]

It blows my mind that mclaren thought it would be a good idea to switch to renault after seeing redbull fail misetably with them for so many years.

[@kaceydillin7367]

Don’t worry Honda, The Race will do a similar piece on you. If there is one piece of content The Race loves, its content that is anti Red Bull, anti Honda.

[@RadityaPramanaPutra2001]

As a Sebastian Vettel's fan, who's really enjoying Red Bull-Renault alliance in the 2009-2014 season period, I agree with this decision. This was a great decisions from both of them. Sacrifice? Two words: Daniel Ricciardo.

[@purwantiallan5089]

Ricciardo obviously was a massively important missing piece for Red Bull.

[@arunasishv8102]

The video has content only for the first half of the title. Content for the second half of the title is missing.

[@iBoss818]

That title made me think Max left RedBull

[@BrazilF144]

It’s actually sad Renault is leaving

[@ccooper8785]

It is a pity they did not give "Redbull Dacia" a try. Also Fiat Ferrari has a nice ring to it...

[@mynamajeff3865]

Ah yes thank you the race for our inter season slop, very cool

[@JWHarris........]

Enjoyed that. Cheers guys.

[@saldjs65]

And RBR is no longer using Honda after 2025. Red Bull in 2026, with the new regulations and the exciting Red Bull-Ford power unit, is definitely something to watch.

[@thesitarplayer]

As someone that got into F1 during Vettel's run as king of the mountain, I was so happy to see Rebull swap to Honda

[@exist]

You'd think a Company like Renault, who was essentially the first team to push and get Turbo's working in F1 in the 70s, would be able to get a proper working turbo engine 50 years later... What a complete joke, and a disgrace to their history.

[@DrTortoiselle]

And after all this, Danny Ric was like “you know what? I should join Renault!” 😂

[@micku9954]

Can’t wait to see Hornor face at Redbull with Ford 2036 😅😅😅

[@LtNduati]

It's kind of wild to realize Renault hasn't really built a good engine for a decade now... no wonder they're calling it quits, considering how dominant the Red Bulls were during Seb's era.

[@RedHaloManiac95]

Who else thought this was about the Perez announcement being replaced by Lawson? 😂

[@X99Zero]

Who else thought this is about Kvyat and Kelly Piquet? 😅

[@Paul_Allaker8450]

Ricciardo didn't run away because he thought Honda would be shite, he ran away for money and more importantly, Verstappen was cooking him. Get your facts straight.

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

Honestly by post Monaco 2017 Max was already faster than Ric just Max was very raw in certain aspects of in race management By late 2018 the writing was on the wall

[@paperplane-db8qf]

Not really. After Monaco 2018 Ricciardo decided to leave Redbull. At that point of the season he was by far the better Redbull driver. 2 wins to Max’s 0. After that Max became the number 1 driver as Ricciardo was leaving. And his performance in RB plummeted from then onwards.

[@blauekits7782]

Once the team shifted focus to Verstappen, Honey Badger turned Money Badger.

[@BStoffle]

The switch to Honda did play a role in his decision. It wasn't the main reason but it was an influential factor. The reason it sounds like that in the video is just because they're making the video about the engines.

[@bornresaabe]

The way you put it is almost entirely false. Red Bull offered Ricciardo the same money as Renault. This has been confirmed by Horner many times. People forget Ricciardo in 2018 was worth every single one of those pennies he was offered. He earned those big contracts with his results. Yes he is a marketing dream, but back then he was one of the best in F1 without question. He left because the team was becoming Verstappen's team (which is fine, any team should do that. Max is probably going to be the best to ever do it when it's all said and done) and he was concerned about Honda engines. Daniel had his prime years almost entirely wasted in regards to being able to win a championship with poor engines from 2014-2018. The Honda engine gamble at that time was even worse than the Renault engine. I'm sure Alonso would have taken a Renault engine over a Honda engine every day of the week. Let's get one thing clear though. Verstappen was not cooking him. Yes he was faster on one lap around 70% of the time (nothing wrong with that) but he was pushing Verstappen every weekend and was very good in the races. Every season he matched Verstappen with race wins. Red Bull with Verstappen and Ricciardo was their best ever duo they had and still to this day they have struggled for a good pairing since Ricciardo left.

[@MuhammadNiz007]

Also need a video on how sediel forceful decision to cut ties with Renault to Mercedes led to championship

[@purwantiallan5089]

Red Bull hopefully can go back into their old dominant ways in 2027 season.

[@advaittilak614]

It's ironic that Alpine is getting rid of their engine program just as it seems to have started working on track. Yeesh!

[@pretentiousarrogance3614]

I thought it was about Perez.....

[@stan2kay]

Great recap mates

[@BobSmith-qq3ig]

woah, no sponsored segments or anything, sweet!

[@lukew6725]

You knew exactly what you were doing when you gave the video this title. 😆

[@EleanorSlater8]

At 0:04 with Sebastian Vettel!! Hello how about Mark Webber, he was responsible for RedBulls four constructor titles as well as Seb!!

[@lud3re384]

Ahhh yes, off-season documentaries!

[@The_Elder_Weeb]

Clickbait title as always.

[@urbanstrencan]

It will be interesting to see how RedBull will do with it's own engine program

[@Squilliam-Fancyson]

Renault never managed to figure out the perfect formula to design the current 1.6l PU. It's a good thing, they finally decided to shut down their Viry plant. Safes them from further embarrassment in 2026.

[@richards4456]

The current Renault engine isn’t anywhere near as bad as it used to be. Fairly reliable and slightly down on power. Probably sounds the best out of them all.

[@jamiecloughgaming25387]

Actually Red Bull switched to Renault for the 2007 season, not 2008 as stated in the video.

[@Nov40nt0p]

poorez paired with lance stroll ----> Chinese F4

[@adblox]

Same with Guanyu Zhou (who'll win the championship)

[@deanb4799]

Ever since I saw that meme of Verstappen as Sid the Sloth thats all I see now😂

[@Boetbar]

Crazy to think Ferrari only has less than 30 wins in the hybrid era 😳

[@TyresePeoples]

surely even a year old Ferrari engine would’ve been better before the switch to Honda? It’s also crazy to think that Mercedes is willing to give anyone an engine deal these days!

[@User78347]

So is it still Honda behind the scenes at Red Bull power trains?

[@ericmcmanus5179]

Redbull wanted to continue winning championships while renault was happy with being a mid pack team and just existing in the sport. Thats always going to create major issues.

[@Manuel_B.]

the hubris of Renault was unbelievable. Ilmor had a solution but they said no... nice...

[@TerribleFire]

So it turns out it wasnt a GP2 engine in that McLaren. Just a GP2 driver.

[@xpwn3rx]

You neglected to mention the manipulation of engine rules that gave preferential treatment to "make it crazy engineering now and eat the reliability problems cause we can fix those later" that multiple engine manufacturers bullied through. Also something something something rumored $750m in a single year of development from Honda on the engine side.

[@RedHaloManiac95]

Ford has been making killer v6 twin turbo engines already but the abuse from F1 is entirely different. Although it’ll be crazy to see ford bring a high revving v6 to the game. Maybe they’ll make a variant for a future ford GT or raptor

[@flat-out]

So I don't know Ford is gonna be a good engine for them or Redbull's own engine development. But I hope it does well and even in the future they can make their own cars that are street legal.

[@Mandykiss4500]

One thing that wasn’t mentioned was what Renault did during the V6 Turbo Hybrid Era ( after their Works Team came back), Supplied Recycled Parts & Labeled them NEW ENGINES to Red Bull/ Toro Rosso!!! Absolutely Disgusting Engine Company & I am Glad they are going to be FINALLY OFF THE GRID!!!

[@fischerwiesen]

So Honda became F1 Champion because they started delivering GP2 engines a few years earlier - who would have thought

[@TheModManu]

I thought this was gonna be about Lawson signing for RBR..

[@Cole_166]

From the title, I thought they finally divorced Perez😭😭, I'm not a redbull fan, but I do love a proper competition

[@herewegoagain7403]

who else thought the thumbnail was about Checo

[@ericmcmanus5179]

That 2018 redbull definitely looked slick.

[@jamesrider4597]

3:33 I love how that Renault guy totally ignores the reality of F1: You are only as good as your last race. So who gives a flying F when they once beat Ferrari and Mercedes, when they are unreliable and bad RIGHT NOW! That fits great into what Otmar Szafnauer said about them: There are carrier people in the management that don't care about the actual sport and succes.

[@manfestiondaily]

Renault post Vettel was just sad and depressing

[@waiora_wf]

I thought its about perez, but i guess thats not a divorce, more like surgery, its not a love hate relationship but more to remove something killing them slowly inside.

[@kieferclarkf1674]

I always thought the 2014 and 2015 Red Bull chassis’ were championship winning if it wasn’t for the severe lack of power from the Renault engine.

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

@@kieferclarkf1674 not the 2015 car, the 2015 car was not winning a title with any engine in it

[@kieferclarkf1674]

@ You sure about that? Do some research. Because Red Bull and Newey also think the chassis was just as good as the Mercedes.

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

@@kieferclarkf1674 the 2015 chassis was a dog of a chassis there’s a reason they slumped so bad in the WCC and it wasn’t only because of Renault, like it’s the worst chassis they’ve made since 2009 It was so bad the tracks Red Bull usually excelled at in the era when they were with Renault in the turbo hybrid era the were nowhere There’s a reason they were 4th in the WCC behind Williams meanwhile in 2014/16 they beat Williams Newey and Co aren’t infallible with the chassis design some years they get it wrong

[@kieferclarkf1674]

@ Ok, so Newey is wrong and you’re right? Got it.

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

@@kieferclarkf1674 Newey is never gonna say I didn’t maximise this car he probably still thinks the MP4-18 he designed was a great car despite it not racing You can’t go through a whole season with 3 podiums and think an engine change is gonna make the car a WDC/WCC contender considering we knew Renault performance wasn’t good throughout the hybrid era but there were much better times regarding wins and podiums He can say what he believes but the data doesn’t agree with that

[@SimplyTakuma]

And now, Alpine is cutting of the own engine supply.

[@cassiacries]

We all expected this to be about Checo right?!

[@jkliao6486]

I thought this would have been about Checo. Cheeky title by the channel and kinda smart if I'm being honest

[@jamesrider4597]

9:14 and after all that sh*t Ricciardo saw at Renault, he went there and said he needed a realiable car... That mistake cost him his career, and you could see that it would go that way from a mile away.

[@Conservator.]

The Renauld engines were garbage (at the end) but the fights between Horner and Abiteboul were spicy, very spicy.