The Red Wings Might Be Terrible

[@kellyactormosgoog]

You have a magic ability to be genuinely pissed at your team and still sound so calm and collected

[@d0pp3lgang3r]

The last 10 years of being a Red Wings fan have been absolutely brutal. They need a major change. We fans deserve better. Larkin deserves better.

[@Pablo-gl9dj]

Larkin does not make the players around him better.

[@thatonewriter8043]

@@Pablo-gl9dj Given how they folded without him last season, that doesn't seem to be the problem.

[@stevefarnum6518]

I guess it's Michael Misa time...maybe he could be the missing piece of the puzzle...

[@fruitbooter79]

@@Pablo-gl9dj simply not true.... everybody on the team says larkin is their best player, they went 2-6-0 during his 8 games on the injured list

[@bmac4]

"We fans deserve better" yall made the playoffs every year for a quarter century and won 4 Stanley Cups and 6 conference championships. Yes on Larkin but y'all are spoiled.

[@workshoptelescope]

Rock bottom? Oh baby, there's lower this team can go...

[@Kieva_Storm]

They'll probably find a way to hit it

[@jessecoonce1363]

Good, let's find it and get a top 5 pick and draft a forward in the first round that projects to have more than a 40-50 point ceiling.

[@workshoptelescope]

@ team will still fall six places in the draft from first to seventh.

[@jessecoonce1363]

@@workshoptelescope Still better than 14th-16th

[@PeterDixon734]

@@jessecoonce1363 James Hagens aint it. Of all years to choose to tank, this year certainly wasn't it.

[@Dutchovenderlinde]

The OhNyquist villain arc is coming together...

[@OuZi9891]

Lol

[@SaunaPerkele_5]

I honestly can't wait for it.

[@richierich398]

Their system is broken. Fire Lalond already. totally agree with the Wellman trade being a complete disaster.

[@cca12417]

I'm honestly starting to believe Yzerman got carried by Tampa's scouting department. It's crazy how many bad contracts he's given out to mid players. Packaging a 2nd rounder to offload a top 4 d-man is hilariously bad assest management

[@krimsonshadow94]

Headmen and Stamkos were also already drafted when he came in

[@casewojo6186]

Yzerman is overrated and frankly, I think he’s an arrogant person. He won’t fire Lalonde because that would be admitting he failed.

[@jakeheerwagen8007]

Figured that would be something you do to offload Holl or Chiarot. Not even a wings fan but when I heard that trade happen I was like WTF

[@TheUnnamedAssailant]

@@krimsonshadow94he got lucky with Brayden Point and Vasi was a first round goalie for a reason. I hate to say it, but I’m slowly starting to lean that way. The draft picks he’s made look promising in Mo, Ed, Ray, and Marco, but yeah his FA signings have all been absolute anchors so far. Then he gets rid of Walman and never once has that been addressed while Walman is thriving in SJ and GhostBear is doing well.

[@Mike-ix5sv]

Yeah I'm seriously questioning our scouting, both at the pro level and prospect level.

[@toast2893]

Losing Perrons leadership in favor of Tarasenko was huge imo. If I remember correctly, in one of Max Bultman’s articles last year during one of the worst times of the season he proclaimed we would go on a big run to the entire locker room right when we went to the west coast. Need that rn

[@seanr.6596]

No, people not to stop putting players like Perron and sprong on pedestals. If the red wings had signed Perron for 2 more years like Ottawa did people would have lost their minds. The losses of Perron, sprong, Walman, even ghost are not the reason this team is bad right now

[@waltconklin882]

@@seanr.6596 I agree with a lot about what you are today. You on fire!

[@Nothingpersonal42]

⁠@@seanr.6596not sure how you say the loss of walman and ghost haven’t made us worse. Gustafson has worse offense AND defense than ghost at this point and Walman was a solid 1B that we gave away for reasons we won’t get to know. Sprong I don’t miss but Perron, while slowing down significantly still had the ability to keep the puck in the zone, make plays and be a galvanizing voice in the room. Newsy has never taken a timeout or addressed the team on the bench in 3 years, and it’s unclear what Larkins leadership in the room looks like but our offseason without question made us worse.

[@DarkLobster69]

⁠@@seanr.6596I agree with you that Perron is cooked, and signing him to 4 million was a bad move by Ottawa, but I do think you’re incorrect about guys like Sprong, Walman, and Ghost. Sprong hasn’t exactly been a godsend so far this year, but Lalonde, for all his faults, was pretty good at utilizing Sprong to maximize his offense strengths. And Walman and Ghost are absolutely upgrades over any defensemen on the Wings that aren’t Seider or Edvinsson. You can’t shed talent as a team that missed the playoffs, and expect to get better. The issue isn’t that guys like Ghost, Sprong, and Walman are amazing players who can’t be upgraded at all, the issue is that those 3 are all competent NHL players who Yzerman let walk or traded with no upgrade at all.

[@seanr.6596]

@@Nothingpersonal42I say that because Ghost was strictly a power play defenseman. We have the 3rd best power play in the league. We don’t need him. I’m glad he’s doing well in Carolina, but we don’t need another 3.5m damn playing limited protected minutes. Walman I think hurts us more than any of the other losses, but I don’t think he’s a 1B. On a team trying to win the cup, he’s 2nd pair with possible PP2 exposure. He would be an upgrade for the current wings roster for sure, but I think his value is inflated by wings fans who liked him while he was here.

[@Schwartzkov]

I drank the Kool aid and here we are. It was propaganda 😂

[@redwing3150]

That California trip was about as ugly as it could be.

[@lapcevichgage]

As a Penguins fan… we’re a long way removed from 2008/2009, huh buddy? Wishing you all the best.

[@klompsauce]

Pretty bold considering the Pens are on the same track, you're around us in 2013ish, only we kept making the playoffs

[@JesterRace139]

@@klompsauce Dude, he's not making fun, he's trying to relate.. And Pens are probably more around the 2018 Wings when they were a couple years removed from the playoffs and their only recent appearances were all first round exits.

[@Specxy]

@@klompsauce dumb

[@charedboy2]

Yeah both teams at rock bottom, don't feel good.

[@Dontulikecheese123]

The glory days for both of our fan bases

[@seanr.6596]

The good thing is that the season is not lost yet, but they need to get rid of lalonde at this point and let this team start playing offense again. The offensive stats, outside of the 3rd ranked power play, are embarrassing. Bottom 5 in almost every meaningful category

[@saturnotaku]

We're a week out from American Thanksgiving. Detroit's not going anywhere at the rate they're playing. And before you bring up "muh 2019 Blues," that was a statistical outlier to end all statistical outliers so miss me with that.

[@seanr.6596]

Right… that’s why I said they need a coaching change

[@workshoptelescope]

The playoffs is no longer the goal. The Illitch's need to accept that it's still another 3 years or more away. The team isn't talented enough to play meaningful hockey systems.

[@seanr.6596]

@@workshoptelescopeI disagree. While it feels unlikely right now, especially with how the team has looked, the team is still only 3 points out of a wildcard position. I think a coaching change would show that they are committed to trying to push for the playoffs still. Now do I think they’ll make it, no. But 3 points out with 64 games to play is hardly time to quit on a season. If things continue this way though, yes, it will be over soon.

[@workshoptelescope]

@@seanr.6596 And to clarify, I do not think this team *should* try to make the playoffs. I'm unconvinced this is a winning roster capable of playing winning hockey.

[@JakeMcGarryDrums]

Fire Lalonde already... gotta shake things up, look at what the Oilers did.

[@JakeMcGarryDrums]

@OhBequiet i don't disagree with you at all, I think it's Yzermans fault overall but LaLonde isn't helping at all, his systems suck and you can tell the guys are just dejected playing for him

[@JesterRace139]

As a Sharks fan, I too cannot wrap my head around why we were paid to take Walman, he's been fantastic.. On the other hand, I also can't wrap my head around why Grier did such a favor to the Rangers by claiming Goodrow, it makes me wonder if there was some 3-way thing involving Trouba to Detroit that fell through or something.

[@kurtwpg]

There was always suspicion of some sort of shadowy deal, but it's possible he just saw a character guy and the cap hit wasn't a big issue.

[@KFARR]

It’s almost as if the Red Wings are afraid to shoot the puck at the net

[@Vis_Electra]

If the Red Wings' season continues like this, the Yzerplan should be over and done at the end of this season.

[@nickstemberger1289]

We let go of Ghost bear, Maata, and Walman, but kept Petry. I believe in the Yzerplan, but the goalie carousel among other things just hurts. We are not okay.

[@ultimategameplay1]

Ghost wasn't in our budget. He took a pay cut to go to Carolina. He wanted to win and that wasn't gonna happen in Detroit regardless.

[@justinshields3819]

Lalonde is ok as a person, as coach he's lost the room in my eyes. Even though, he has a very s#itty team to work with. He's gotta go. Asides from Edvidsson and Seider, 2/3 of Detroit's defense is absolute trash. Yzerman is to blame for that. Detroit has no defense prospects, other than ASP who's a year a way to graduate to Detroit. Yzerman has a lot of fixing to do. Yzerman has done a good job only on his 1st round draft picks so far as well as his contract negotiations with Larkin, Raymond and Seider. Everything else is mediocre at best, which isn't very good. Seider, Raymond, Buchelnikov, Edvidsson, Cossa, Mazur, Kasper, Lombardi, Danielson, ASP, Augustine, Finnie, Kiiskinen, MBN, maybe a few others look to be NHLers, if they all hit. Your looking at 2026-2027 for most of those to become full-time Red Wings players. That's 2 years plus from now. Detroit has been screwed in the draft, which isn't their fault. It looks like Detroit will be out of the playoffs by the trade deadline unless something drastically happens. Kane will be trade bait if this happens, Yzerman will look to garner a late first round draft pick for him. This rebuild has been too long for the Wings fans to handle. A lot has to change!!!

[@Izanagai]

I dont think he accelerated the rebuild too fast. We are on year fucking 10. He just had horrible free agent signings

[@jasoncoladonato1034]

At what point do people realize that Yzerman is beyond overrated? Not saying he should be fired, but he is not even close to being the best gm in the league.

[@casewojo6186]

His signings have been a D+ at best.

[@seanr.6596]

Free agents have certainly been his downfall, though he has signed a few strong ones. Draft has been great. And I think singing core players to good deals has also been very good. His tenure has not been perfect, but I like a lot more of what he’s done than I dislike

[@casewojo6186]

@@seanr.6596 he let Ghost walk and got Gustaffson. The guy has made way more bad signing than good. He’s a below average GM. That’s the reality, it suck’s because of his history here but it’s just fact.

[@seanr.6596]

⁠@@casewojo6186yeah, man if we had just signed ghost to a deal we’d have a top ranked power play and… oh, wait. Tell me, what would ghost fix? A power play specialist fixing a power play ranked 3rd in the league? A defensive liability playing protected 5v5 minutes and very limited defensive zone starts? I like ghost, he was awesome for us last year. He’s simply not the player we need on this roster and I don’t think letting him walk was a mistake nor is it the reason this team is underperforming

[@casewojo6186]

@ dude stop trying to find a reason to argue. Don’t be that guy. That’s just one example of bad decisions. Ghost also carried the puck into the zone. He likes to have the puck on his stick. We would have two effective defensive pairings. Calm down. There’s a litany of things to criticize, but I don’t want to write a novel.

[@timomajere]

Great videos and I'm so glad you brought this up. You don't pay someone 4 Million over 2 years to sit on the 3rd line to pass to people who barely score when the ONE guy can get more goals in a single game then those other two combined? ( Tarasenko ) You also do not offer up 2 of your best defenseman ( Hronek and Walman) for 'magic beans' in draft picks when its clear they were necessary to the team. Draft picks and future considerations only. Talbot being the lone exclusion, you farm goaltending yourself, don't pick up based on another teams records for that player. Won't bring up Jake Campbell when they COULD have had Jake Allen. The fact Detroit lost by a wide margin to the NHL's most anemic scoring team in Anaheim is everything to know that the team is critically failing at the speed of light under the current structure. The Yzerplan seems to be sporting a concussion at the moment.

[@BrianMarody]

Atrocious defense and weak offense is a terrible recipe. I think the offense will come around but they need to shake up this defense.

[@brian1112]

For fans who understand other Detroit sports teams, Steve Yzerman and Derek Lalonde are Bob Quinn and Matt Patricia 2.0. Yzerman and Quinn both came from successful organizations and tried to build their teams in the mold of those franchises. Both GMs first coaching hire was an assistant coach from their old teams where it was their first NHL/NFL head coaching job. Lalonde and Patricia never adapt the way they want their teams to play with the personal they have. Both GMs traded/ let walk perceived head cases who they didn’t want to deal with or didn’t comply with the culture they wanted to have. Jake Walman, Jakub Vrana, Quandre Diggs (former Lions safety), and Darias Slay (former Lions cornerback) are prime examples. Both GMs made questionable decisions beyond the first round of their drafts. Brady Cleveland in the second round in 2023 is still head scratching. Jahlani Tavai at 43rd overall in 2019 was also a head scratcher for the Lions. In general, both GMs are failures in their drafts after the 1st round. Name one successful non first round pick for either GM if you don’t believe me. Bottom line, fire everyone! The path the Red Wings are on is to nowhere and they need to change course with a fresh set of eyes in the front office and behind the bench (preferably someone who has never been with the organization) before they potentially lose a generation of fans.

[@Kieva_Storm]

Buchelnikov, Lombardi, also currently Emmitt Finney is lighting it up in Kamloops, 7th rounder. Also Soderblom was a 7th round swing and he should probably be on the Wings. It's his pro scouting that's bad. I'm mostly in agreement that faith in the "Plan" is gone, but I think there's still a path here if some of the ones I mentioned hit as big as they could.

[@Noonesbusiness]

So what you’re saying is the next guy will be a Dan Campbell equivalent? Hell yeah

[@avtv6201]

they just need to get rid of petry and chiarot, they´re just defensive liabilities. Strong defense = strong offense

[@Jarenballor]

4/6 of our defenseman are liabilities. Lalondes gotta go, and Stevie needs to be pressured for those BS contracts he’s given out. Inexcusable

[@SolidPain6624]

Ya but petry is staying because his father played baseball for us… and chariot because I think Stevie is too stubborn to admit he was wrong on signing him. Being a red wings fan sucks right now but at least we have the lions!!! Wow, who would have thought ANYONE would say that? Lmao

[@avtv6201]

@@Jarenballor i think lalonde isnt the main problem. dont get me wrong, he could be more emotionally involved and needs to get the teamspirit up. but i think the team is performing bad bc of the moves Yzerman made. i mean giving walman up for free, trading ghost, but keeping chiarot and petry doesnt make any sense at all.

[@avtv6201]

@@SolidPain6624 i dont fucking care if he is the fucking mayor of detroit hes big ass and needs to go. ´Chiarot might be even worse. he is constantly taking unnecessary Penalties and his positional play is more Garbage then the patch they got on their jerseys. i mean look at the last 3-4 game highlights on sportsnet, every goal where chiarot was on the ice, he wasnt even near the puck or his goal. im bored by this team.

[@Jarenballor]

@ I agree. But yzerman isn’t gonna Be the one on the hot seat, so lalonde it must be. I think Steve’s move have been very below average. But it is what it is

[@xRyeBredx]

Nah nah dont gimme that crap about tanking for 1st overall picks, you cant rely on lottery luck. How many times have the wings fell in the draft during this rebuild? Yzerman has done very well in the draft with what he was given. You can shit on his FA signings all you want. But to me, they are all placeholders for the guys Yzerman drafted. Sure copp and compher are here long term. With the huge cap increases, those contracts will look like nothing. And they only have a MNTC.

[@ponyboy9765]

It’s kinda scary that a team that has been in a rebuild for almost 8 years at this point is getting beat by a team who has only realistically been rebuilding for 2. As a sharks fan the one thing I can appreciate is that when they tore it down they tore it down. I’d much rather see my team be abysmal for 3-5 year and come out the other side better rather than just kinda “retooling” for longer and not getting that really game breaking player. Drafting and 5-15 in the first round is great but the caliber of player you’re getting in that top five is just astronomically better by comparison. Yzerman definitely has some work to do if the wings are gonna finally end their playoff drought

[@mybootscamewithoutstraps]

Detroit native and lifelong wings fan here. I have many issues with what's going on for them right now. The systems these players are being made to play simply aren't producing for them. This dump and lose the puck stuff is awful. The 4+1 box defense with no one being aggressive on the puck handler is giving so many SOG. We're seeing fans want Lyon and Talbot to take blame, but it really all comes down to the Defensive play and simply not spending enough time on offense. Holl is useless. He's too big and slow even for the AHL. Kane looks to be coasting. Larkin is the only one with any passion every night. Seider is amazing on D and whatnot, but he almost never shoots or scores. Chiarot and Petry seem mediocre at best, but often fall short for NHL play. Raymond and Debrincat, despite having higher points on the team, aren't scoring enough. When I watch Colorado, their speed is insane and you know McKinnon and Makar will put on a show. When I watch Edmonton, McDavid and Draisaitl are insane spectacles. When I watch Winnipeg, you can see magic and consistency through the entire team, regardless of what line is out there. Detroit has none of this.

[@GolfLegends69]

Where are you man? Haven’t posted for a while

[@bonesjackson81]

They almost never take the body. Always poking and reaching. Never clear screeners. Team plays soft. Slot open for shots 24/7. Is it players or shitty scheme? Too many old dead fucks on a roster that should be comprised of youth.

[@gablefisk-govphost817]

As a Pens fan, I see us making the same mistakes the Wings did a couple of years back and...hoo boy is this not fun.

[@BRaymondVan]

Please Lord let S.Y. obtain Joel Quenneville - as the NEW coach of the RED WINGS; and let him NOT procrastinate too long ! 🙏

[@Wheelofthyme1010]

I’m not even a Red Wings fan but this is ridiculous. The Yzerplan is not cooking. The Walman trade is disgusting and the some signings are questionable. I hope they can turn the ship around sometime but we’ll see.

[@stevenkerr8965]

Agree. However the bad contracts are unmovable without giving up picks. Seider and Raymond had to get signed bottom line. They will have to look in the mirror and gut it out despite the poor defense.

[@DarkLobster69]

Was Walman’s contract really that bad? Yes he was absolutely on a down year, but the year before he was really quite good, and I’m sure Yzerman could’ve gotten him to another team for at least no cost, if not gotten a pick back, had he waited, especially with the cap rising so significantly. And even had he not been able to, would it not have been more worthwhile to try to move a guy like Holl, who is on an identical contract, is absolutely worse, and only had a 10 team no trade list?

[@johnsohn653]

This feels like the tail end of the Blashil era. Looking forward to a top 5 pick

[@cbjm36]

Should Larkin demand a trade? I know he’s their captain and signed a big deal relatively recently, but he’s a star center who’s been with the Wings for 10 seasons now and only made the playoffs his rookie year. Have to imagine he’s getting pissed and wants a chance to contend.

[@Electronidus]

Wings ARE terrible. Literally called this game last night for them to lose in OT. It’s just predictably sad at this point. No fight in these wings, losing all the puck battles, Raymond and kane doing absolutely fuck all so far

[@DerpDerpityDerp]

Raymond is fine it's Tarasenko and Kane. They are shit

[@klompsauce]

Razor leads the team in points

[@bonesjackson81]

​@klompsauce needs to be THE goal scorer. He's been too passive again. Points are primarily 2nd assists. Need the Lucas from the tail end of last year.

[@jonmendelson1104]

@@bonesjackson81 I was at the game last night and he had some phenomenal moves. In particular his move in overtime that almost ended it was amazing. Blacky was just up to the challenge.

[@JohnnySilverhand-o5k]

The top-end talent is unspectacular and the mid-depth guys are overpaid by Yzerman and have already peaked in their careers. He had some good draft picks and contracts (thanks to no state income tax) in Tampa but the roster construction in Detroit is really, really bad.

[@beneasler8868]

I want to believe in the Yzerplan, but it's getting difficult. He's phenomenal in the draft but needs some assistance when it comes to contracts and free agency... I'm no expert but he built the foundation for Tampa's dynasty with his drafting, but who knows what they would've become with him at the wheel while they tried to contend

[@WMUsiv1]

Recently I've consoled myself thinking that we have a LOT of bad contracts coming off the books next year, but I just took a look, and guys like Chairot and Holl still have another year after this. Ouch. We will have Husso and Petry coming off the books, but I thought next summer was going to open up even more cap space. This hurts. Honestly, I'm happy with how the first rounders are looking, but you're right, someone really needs to overachieve (and soon) before I start getting my faith back.

[@geraldsnokey-uh9pt]

I drank the yzerman kool aid and now that was a mistake

[@15DurangoRT]

"Might Be"??? That's like saying the ocean might be deep!

[@zonkerharris1144]

One thing I notice with all the threads concerning the red wings is no one says much about how the team gets jobbed where the draft lottery is concerned every year.

[@whydoyoutroll99]

There is nothing to add except that I like your videos! Nyquist is my only jersey so I love the username 😅

[@jq7352]

I dont watch the red wings much but it feels like they not only have problems on defensive end, they are also finding their 2C since like ages ago and still haven't found their solution yet. They tried Pius Suter, he sucked. Then tried Copp, he sucked. Then tried JT Compher, he sucked as well. Now you just hope Kasper can take the big step ASAP but it is not a good look that you have almost 11 million tied with 2 players that were supposed to be your 2C and you have to pressure a 20 year old to do that job.

[@inexplicablybad6100]

now just wait for their pp to come back down to earth and they might actually be a bottom 3 team in the league

[@willsmithmachine5244]

"Hit the acceleration button on this rebuild too early" I disagree. These UFA signings have had a minimal impact on this team and the standings. This team has been competitive thanks to Seider, Larkin and Raymond. Biggest issues in my opinion is the Coaching, 2nd d-pair, 2C?, Yzerman only adds small players who are not willing to sacrifice their bodies. Nobody is scared to play the Red Wings and this type of team will not have any success when the game gets tougher in the Playoffs. I hope Detroit will add a high end prospect next summer and massive changes need to be made.

[@knowitalljack2066]

as a sens fan, our teams will forever be in the bermuda triangle of mid

[@DarkLobster69]

I was very worried about this teams offense before the season, as by almost all metrics last season, the goal scoring had a very large luck component to it, and the team arguably got worse offensively. Hopefully, Yzerman can turn it around and soon.

[@taranloses]

Sens fan here but I can definitely see some parallels, as it feels like some questionable asset management has held up the rebuild for both teams. Gave away a top 10 and top 15 pick for guys that didn't work out, and frankly guys they had no business in getting. There's legit no space on the left side for a guy like Chychrun when you got Sanderson and Chabot who can both already play top minutes. And why trade for DeBrincat when he's not even gonna be on your first powerplay.

[@Zypemaytro]

Might be ? Can’t wait for 1st overall odds and get 5th again. To look on the bright side, even a 5th overall all pick will be great in a forward heavy draft. I think the Red Wings will be at their best when our prospects make the jump. I know this sucks, and I don’t even watch the team most nights because it just gives me unnecessary anger, but I am trying my best to look at the light at the end of the tunnel. We weren’t going to compete for anything this year regardless so instead of being middle of the pack, getting a good draft choice is small light, and if that draft choice is great in a few years we will look at this as a blessing in disguise, or we could still suck and all collectively jump off a bridge.

[@jamielennard3388]

Honestly, I think this is the best thing that could happen to Detroit. The team wasn't going to be good enough to contend without adding elite talent, which means finishing low enough in the standings to draft potentially elite players. The players who are part of the team's future core are generally doing well. A few years of being actually bad thanks to bad free agent signings will be way better for this team than being a mid team like people generally expected them to be.

[@vmi4172]

Sell, sell ,sell at the deadline. Get a top 5 pick, new coach and cut the weight. Period.

[@MrJobx]

Was at the ducks game and easily the most embarrassing game ive went to yelling LETS GO RED WINGS with 40 ducks fans around me..Perron, Walman, Ghost all were key factors being 1 pt out the playoffs. Now its starting to look like a rebuild team

[@brandonerick]

I really feel for Wings fans. I too, believed re-signing a 37 year old Patrick Kane and signing Cam Talbot in goal was going to lock them in as cup contenders. What's gone wrong??

[@joshuamills2868]

Signing Copp and trading Ghost were playoff killers. There is a lot of cap space that could be freed up today but I don’t have faith in who they would select to bring in.

[@Lesevesel]

I have been baffled by this team's consistent inconsistency for the several years including Blashill's years. He even bag-skated them a couple of times and they still can't get out of their endless .500 hockey rut.

[@krimsonshadow94]

SY is going to be dragged kicking and screaming through this tank, i said it then ill say it now "you should have let the kids play SY"

[@scottyius]

Walman and Gostisbehere are needed and I was sad to see them go when there still is Petry and Holl. I’m 50/50 on chariot, as I think he could play on a 3rd line, or 2nd to help balance it out.

[@icedo1013]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. "He hit the acceleration way too early" and "ThE 15 yEaR yZeRpLaN1!1!" are irreconcilable positions. I don't mean to say you hold both, but if this is the kind of combined criticism Yzerman is getting then how was he ever supposed to succeed?

[@uncleiroh2022]

Finally an objective and rational Wings fan. Good for you for seeing past the crap most have been excusing Yzerman for

[@redwings_x6483]

I feel like we gave up on players to quickly during the rebuild look at varna having ok season in Washington and he’s only making 900k are 3rd line is making 10ish mill or a little over that and in my opinion varna is playing way better just shows if we gave him his time he find his game also wish we never got rid of Ned or Troy stecher

[@andrewj72]

Can we just fire lalonde and salvage the season please

[@Sub_Slothman86]

As a chi fan I have mad respect for being so clam if I were you I wouldn’t have my voice

[@mattcraig163]

So when should have Yzerman picked that number one Star? 4th overall, 6th, 8th? This rebuild was absolutely screwed by the draft lottery. How is a team supposed to compete without a top 3 pick? Especially when you look at teams like NJ, Buffalo, Edmonton, Chicago, who's been gifted multiple top 3 picks in their respective rebuilds. Where i think Yzerman has done poorly is in his Pro Scouting. The free agents he's signed over the last few seasons have been bad, especially on defense. Not sure where this goes from here, but i think at the very least its time for a new head coach.

[@kurtwpg]

Winnipeg picked higher than 7th once, and that player ended up being gone for not a lot of return.

[@erkenwald_]

I would have been stoked if the Avs gave up a 4th and got Walman back. Him on the third paring with Malinski would be unreal and he could move up and down that lineup.

[@rylenridpath6674]

We should've been getting: Edvinsson-Seider Walman-Chairot Ghost-Johansson

[@wlnlax14]

Missing out on Bedard and Celebrini seeepstakes will haunt the wings as we watch the Blackhawks build how we should have

[@herlevh19]

What baffles me is how badly the pro scouting has been. They're have been just about no wins for them. The drafting seems to be fine but becuase they're so many bad contracts they young guns can make the team.

[@europason2293]

I'm ready to embrace the tank. We should have tanked for the 2023 draft. The rebuild would be in a substantially better position had we drafted one of Bedard, Carlson, Fantilli or Michkov, but instead Yzerman made moves in the 2022 FA to make the team more competitive and avoid developing a losing culture. I understand the mentality, however, it's handicapped the long-term outlook of the rebuild. The top 3 of the 2025 draft are potentially worth tanking for. We're approaching the point in the season where making a run for a playoff spot is next to impossible, so may as well try and bottom out just one last year and secure a high draft pick.

[@kramhoogness]

So our strategy to win is make sure we get lots of power plays. That’s a recipe for disaster.

[@marblox9300]

Where is Gordie Howe, Phil Esposito and Bobby Orr.???

[@pz29]

To get the first draft pick, you have to win a lottery, and Bettman will never let that happen as long as there are the Penguins and the Sabres of the world.

[@Sammybree]

I don’t think getting cheap options at D and goalie, that teams don’t want, ie: Chiarot, Petry, Lyon, Talbot (although he’s been the best goalie for the wings) is the answer. Bring up the young guys and let them play…. Cossa and Augustine could be a hell of a tandem and I think people are getting impatient, is it crazy to say bring up the young and out with the old?

[@Fenrirmaster30]

Glad to see even though Detroit is in a different conference, the Chicago, Detroit rivalry is still going hard. Don't think for a second the Wings can out underperform us though! Richardson will throw 4th liners on the top line with Bedard all day to ensure we prevail in our tanking!

[@eggstu]

I'm not going to thrown my opinion in per say but I would like to know, how long is the leash on Yzerman? Where is the line?

[@gordonknoerl6056]

Everyone in pro scouting for the wings should honestly be fired in management. Like they genuinely never pick the right guys to get and when they do they give up on them.(walman, ghost etc.)

[@slashouse]

Keep in mind that those terrible contracts have NMC and NTC. So unless Chiarot, Petry and Copp are willing to waive them, they'll stay in the main roster

[@rexxthevaliant]

If I watch another wings game where they avoid the defense at the offensive blue line by dumping and chasing, I am going to lose my mind. I saw it no less than half a dozen times where they outnumbered the defense last game and dumped the puck to make nothing of the play.

[@vlax.-2126]

I’m not a wings fan but man that sucks for the wings fan. Yzerman started very well, good asset management and good draft , but since last year he really fumbled all his plan, maybe the owner that puts pressure on him, but even that all those moves were bad at the time and still are

[@Bassandbackroads]

As a red wings fan I feel like yzerman is focusing too much on offense and not enough on goaltending which is where we’ve struggled most for years. We failed to acquire any still good goalies out of free agency. It’s definitely gonna be interesting when Augustine and Cossa are starter and backup

[@misakikoko4500]

Remember that the Wings had less regulation wins last year than the Coyotes. Their OT wins masked how bad they were.

[@Downsyofficial]

Lalonde needs to go. Now.

[@bobbylight2698]

As a red wings fan, respectfully, we're cooked

[@JackConrad-e4v]

I truly believe Lalonde should be fired. The team is worse than it should be. On paper the def behind the first line ok ya it’s not that good. But it’s better than it has been showing. Just in wrong positions. Petry should never be on the second line and Johansson should never be benched. He played right side of edvisson in ahl all year last year. Put him on the right side instead of petry and let him make mistakes and grow. Let him move the puck in the offensive zone instead of slow chariot. As for ghost. It’s possible that he didn’t want to resign in Detroit. He was shat on all last year by Detroit fans it’s possible he wanted a change. Walman I think something was going on but we will never no. Those moves could very well been cap moves to try to get trouba which fell apart.

[@getdusty1]

Like the Leafs say, "Well, there's always next year."

[@caldud2]

Are there any decent defensemen in the pipeline other than Axel? One bright spot is we do have 3 young guys on the roster playing their first full NHL season and 24 year old Berggren looking pretty good. Bring up Elmer! If we are going to loose at least we can have fun watching Elmer play.

[@cammackinnon]

Wallinder and Buium

[@MrHunterbg]

I'm still with the Yzerplan considering we're still waiting for the younger players to come up. However, I do think we'll see a coaching change. Yzerman needs to find a way to trade half of the defense.

[@sharkhaos_probably]

As a San Jose fan I'm starting to get worried for y'all, Yzerman looks mediocre as a GM and the defense looks as thin as ours. Thank you for Walman by the way. Hope y'all get something good going soon

[@latexiz7617]

Red Wings should prolly just tank the season and hope to land high pick. Team lacks high end talent on the roster and on the prospect pool. They aren't winning anything ever with this core. Year 6 of the rebuild and they are fielding one of the oldest rosters in Nhl. That's just sad. Yzerman signing mediocre talent in free agency has been the biggest mistake in the whole rebuild. Copp, Chiarot, Petry, Holl, Gustafsson... They all suck so bad and should be playing in ahl. Rather overpay for talent than sign punch of old crap.

[@saschaganser9671]

Great vid again! Lot of wings fans blame the coach, and not without a reason. But i see a lot of flaws in this team and the way it`s build. I would fire Yzerman. Too many of his moves have not worked out. Last year was a lucky season, but DET wasn`t that good. They are missing key pieces, right now they have 2 young Ds (Seider, Edv.) and not enough talent upfront. Raymond, Larkin, Debrincat - maybe Kasper. There`s simply not enough high end talent in the system yet. Signing those vets to longer, overpaid contracts was to early. Compher, Copp, Chiarot, Holl, now Tarasenko - 25m cap. None of these contracts is good. Trading Walman with an asset - i have no idea what happened, but why? Right now, the Wings are bad, but too good to run for 1st overall. They don`t have any D in his prime, between age 23 and 32. They are a build bubble out team at best. On top, there are no assets. Usually you try to add players like Ceci brought a 3rd rounder), retain 50% at the deadline and ship him out for another pick. Same with Walman. Compher and Copp look like buyout canidates. Yzerplan might have done DET dirty, as they might become to good due to the talent already acquired, but not good enough to really make a push and become relevant. See how hard it is for Buffalo, or the Sens.

[@gabrielseaborn257]

Sharks fan here-I wasn't expecting Detroit to be like _bad_ bad, but the stats at 1:10 ...yikes

[@TheProducer]

It seems as tho they try really hard to find ways to lose… it’s unfortunate because I remember how hot they were earlier this year

[@evanbluemer5119]

we have been screwed in all the drafts we should have been taking advantage of. They never really got the next superstar to build a new dynasty around, and now they have a bunch of mid tier talent with a shit coach, and an empty piggy bank.

[@butcherpete2286]

To sum up the Red Wings season so far: the correct team made the playoffs in the last wild card slot last year. Let's go Caps

[@senseofjustice0218]

There's definitely some issues with the defense but the biggest thing to me is Lalonde NEEDS to go. His game plans aren't producing and his roster combinations are mind boggling. Him putting Chiarot with Seider as long as he djd before should have at least gotten firing considerations for how it dragged on Seider's development.

[@zachhanchett7592]

I thought for sure you were gonna say the question of coaching change. Someone who not only has experience but someone who’s not going to allow his team to be beat by one of the worst teams in the league after being up 3-1. This team is not playing for him period.

[@andyduncan1039]

This team is so frustrating to watch. They rarely skate the puck into the zone, unless they’re on a power-play, dump it in all the time and try to forecheck and get it which doesn’t happen and wonder why they can’t put any shots on net. Can someone take the fing shot on net instead of passing it all the time. Time for Gerard Gallant.

[@Kevypapa]

As an Oilers fan, I'm here to say that it does get better eventually!

[@AceMatthew25414]

Imagine Ghost and Wallman for less then Petry, Chariot and Holl...

[@gripped6184]

He got rid of Hronik, I said I trust him He got rid of Wallman, I said, Ehhh...Ill trust him, hes got a plan I dont know what to think now..We need a coaching staff change to start