The Reformation: The Splintering of Christendom

In this lecture, we look at the Protestant Reformation.
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[@WWSzar]

Jan Hus was burnt when he was summoned by the Pope to Rome. I'm surprised you made no mention of the Hussites as well

[@buninparadise9476]

not to Rome, but to the Council of Constance in southern Germany

[@rursus8354]

Regarding Gustav I of Sweden, there is a longer prehistory of the Swedish nobility being anti-papal in their very conflict against the last union king Christian II of Denmark, where the later used heresy against Catholicism as a pretext to kill off important leaders of the Swedish nobility. So from the beginning Gustav I towards Catholicism was pretty, should we say, "biased." The threshold for him grabbing the power of the Church in Sweden was then easy to step over.

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[@laurelindeep5394]

If anyone is interested in a more detailed course on Luther, the Reformation and the Christian church in general, I highly recommend Ryan Reeves' youtube channel (at the time, Assistant Professor of Historical Theology at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary), which has playlists including a 15+ part series on Luther (plus a similar-length one for Calvin). This video is great from an overall historical perspective, such as the practical/ulterior motives of the European monarchs and the Catholic church itself (which Reeves does also talk about), but doesn't cover the theological aspects in as much detail - which is understandable and probably the best choice for a video of this length that is taking a broad historial perspective. While things like indulgences were definitely seen as unfair or illigitimate and ultimately sparked the reformation, a significant driver for Luther and other reformers was a purely intellectual need for theological rigour (such as on justification, holy communion, etc.), regardless of any of the more practical socioeconomic factors that were also involved. These elements are a bit harder to appreciate as a modern, secular person, but I don't think they should be overlooked when trying to understand the reformation in detail and Reeves does a great job of covering them (albeit in a much longer series).

[@ffn8917]

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[@laurelindeep5394]

@@ffn8917 true, but the series is complete and up for people to watch, so it doesn't really matter if it's no longer active

[@australopithecusafarensis5386]

I want the Catholic position I don’t trust the Protestants as they were wrong

[@row1landr]

Protestants have a gross misunderstanding of the whole indulgence thing. Anti Catholic leaders have lied and rewritten history to try to harm the one true Church of Jesus Christ, the Catholic Church.

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[@FU05241960]

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[@mongooseman3744]

Please make a video on the council of Trent and the counter reformation

[@achilleus918]

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[@Urlocallordandsavior]

Will you cover the subsequent period then, from like 1600 to about 1714, around the War of the Spanish Succession's end? I find the English Civil War and the Stuarts/William III as a whole just as fascinating of a period as the Tudors were in English history.

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[@stephendean2896]

Life long atheist but do love the history of various religions. Great job.

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[@chungusdisciple9917]

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[@Komnenos83]

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[@ericc9321]

Expected more on the Hussites, but I loved hearing about the Archbishop of Mainz.

[@plutoloco2378]

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[@Yodeller1917]

1:05 Protestants and Christians? Did you mean Protestants and Catholics or am I confused?

[@J-Ton]

I was wondering this as well

[@giannidcenzo]

As always😊

[@mueezadam8438]

28:26 made me chuckle

[@bramvanhooijdonk1185]

37:18 i think you meant to say *Swiss cities there not Swedish

[@willly7484]

@43:05 - that is not a picture of Ferdinand I, but of Maximilian I

[@Urlocallordandsavior]

43:05 That image's actually Maxmillian I, you can tell by the early 16th century style clothing he wears (compared with mid- and rest of century's fashion).

[@ChevyChase301]

A Charles V video would be nice

[@21nickik]

While its true that the Anglican Church has maintained the ceremony, in terms of confession it did evolve quite clearly in the direction of a standard reformed protestant church and is fully accepted as such by all other churches.

[@celdur4635]

Did Spain or Portugal or Poland had protestant movements?

[@enternamehere2222]

As a note Edward might have been a child but he mighta been more involved than you'd think. By accounts he was very intelligent and his main interest was theology, and he was firmly evangelical - that is, he was firmly in the more protestant camp of the still mostly "catholic" england

[@2Sor2Fig]

I grew up (and still live in) an Anglican household in Zimbabwe. My grandmother's Catholic, I was raised in an Anglican/Methodist church and went to a mostly Baptist High-School. I'm humbled to have seen so much of the world. I'm happily atheist now, but will always appreciate the Anglican rigid push for structure and the Methodist's insistence on focusing more on the plight of the follower (Methodists tend to drink grape-juice instead of wine during communion. If I remember correctly, it's because they know members of the congregation may have been alcoholics and they're not trying to lead them into further temptation at the altar. There's nothing more adorable than having a church brunch, and seeing a few Methodists sneaking over to have a couple beers with the Anglicans. It wasn't segregated or anything, it's just everyone knew everyone's denomination so you could tell who was, nominally, meant to abstain from alcohol) . The Catholics always remind me to be a little wary: I'm a scientist, and around 1/8th of the world's population take particular exception to that. Poor, old Galileo.... Oh, Baptists have the best praise and worship. Guitar's _and_ drums? Get ready to hear a lot of piano if you're Anglican... at least there's the choir. Man, being religious was so much effort. Really love your lectures, thank-you for doing this.

[@ronaldderooij1774]

I love this. But.... as a Dutchman, I would like to suggest that you study the Dutch history a bit more. Because most of what you said on the low countries is rather wonky. William of Orange was a catholic prince (of the French mini country Orange). He was not Dutch, but German. He never even spoke Dutch. Independence was at the start of the (civil?) war not even a goal. There was no national identity. That came only in the second half of the war, just as the striving for independence. That independence was kind of an afterthought, after numerous attempts to find a sovereign (other than Orange family) failed. It was William's son, who after some kind of coup, seized power during the war. So, William of Orange never sought independence. His religious beliefs are unclear. And by the time William of Orange was murdered in 1584, there was still no feeling of national unity, or striving for sovereignty. By that time, there was "merely" a civil war going on between calvinists and catholics for power and, also a struggle between nobility and protestants against the ruler of Spain for violating old established rights.

[@Urlocallordandsavior]

Source?

[@DeSaxofoonVanPeter]

@@Urlocallordandsavior Dutch history books, for example A History of the Netherlands by Friso Wielenga

[@lemokemo5752]

Did you unironically confuse Swiss and Swedish!? Peak 'merica moment!

[@Kai555100]

43:13 this is not Ferdinand I but his grandfather maximilian

[@geesixnine]

Based Luther

[@decimusausoniusmagnus5719]

I mean, his book (you know which one) was very based, and yes, corruption was eating the church alive and he wasn't a bad man for pointing it out. But, the result of his movement was the complete breaking of Western Europe and unnecessary internal wars. Which is very cringe.

[@geesixnine]

@@decimusausoniusmagnus5719 nah that's the politics interfering with religion. Like they say everything is political

[@australopithecusafarensis5386]

Luther is cringe 😬 this is where we started worshipping Satan and rebels in Western culture

[@TheKing-qz9wd]

@@australopithecusafarensis5386 Meanwhile the jesuits just slink into a corner after handing out amnestics...

[@GooseGumlizzard]

cuck Luther

[@TheZenGarden_]

Hosea 13 4 Yet I Am YHWH thy Elohiym from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but Me: *for there is no saviour beside Me.*

[@jhc839]

Spare me, I have my bible. This is about history.

[@TheZenGarden_]

@@jhc839 The Tanakh is the non fiction history of these huemans; Deut.28:15-69, the "new testament" however is the fictional religious narrative of Rome, that they added to the back of the Tanakh 700 years after the last prophet Malachi. The two books dont belong together christian, you're messiah is no different than santa claus, the easter bunny or any other fairy tale that comes from Europe. Btw, just because you have a "bible" doesn't mean anything except you have a book you dont fully understand.

[@jhc839]

@@TheZenGarden_ Dear God, how many millions of people have died and will die because of zealots. Thank you, for your comment.

[@TheZenGarden_]

@@jhc839 Be still, and know that I Am Elohiym: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth. ~ Psalms 46:10

[@sethbecker7162]

I’m sure there’s some rationalization for this, but why can’t god just come down and speak to us like he did in the past (apparently) and clear up any confusion? Because until that happens, telling me what god thinks is kind of unbelievable.

[@XIXCentury]

very cringe of them

[@elemperadordemexico]

Indeed

[@mongooseman3744]

So true

[@decimusausoniusmagnus5719]

Indeed

[@aaronwilkinson8963]

Was the Catholic church a continuation of the Roman Empire

[@crackshack2]

You should do more research on the impact of the renaissance to religion. Did the rediscovery of the older religions and customs of europeans encourage change/reformation.

[@rursus8354]

The largest Lutheran churches in the world are the African ones, the Ethiopian being the largest with 8.3 million members, and the Tanzanian one with 6.5 million members. So in essence Lutheranism is an African religion.

[@elemperadordemexico]

Bruh, based catholicism being a white religion

[@decimusausoniusmagnus5719]

@@elemperadordemexico it's an universalist religion. It's literally in the name. katholikos = universal or something.

[@noneednoneed5752]

Thanks it was iluminating

[@decimusausoniusmagnus5719]

One of the saddest moments in European history.

[@billysmudda4009]

🤡

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Thersites all the other KZbin history channels are being paid to support a Ukrainian refugee fundraising campaign. With Ukrainian refugees returning to Ukraine as fighters, I was wondering if you would make a statement about the moral implications of KZbinrs actively manufacturing military-industial consent for money? Please? I'm deeply offended by this and I was hoping someone smarter and more persuasive can make the argument.

[@ThersitestheHistorian]

This is the first that I have heard of this.

[@theletterw3875]

@@ThersitestheHistorian the YT campaign or Ukrainians returning by the thousands?

[@redacted5052]

I tried the first 15-20 mins but this was just underwhelming and lacked focus.