Anyone: **has an opinion on anything** Socrates: I’m about to end this mans whole argument
@goldfishyearbook4 жыл бұрын
Step 1: ask a metric ton of questions until the opponent gets completely lost Step 2: completely demolish their point and make them look like a troglodyte
@maryhadley73734 жыл бұрын
BRILLIANT!!!
@maryhadley73734 жыл бұрын
Oliver Wingate troglodytes....Excellent word choice:
@soulvaccination86794 жыл бұрын
@@goldfishyearbook but in truth and reality he is right anyway
@RaNdOmPlAyS3 жыл бұрын
Lol this reminds me of James and Tati
@lesteradams22825 жыл бұрын
For reference: Book I - 0:35 Book II - 42:00 Book III - 1:16:27 Book IV - 1:32:30 Book V - 1:58:30 Book VI - 2:33:20 Book VII - 3:04:59 Book VIII - 3:22:21 Book IX - 3:42:30 Book X - 4:27:40
@siko95765 жыл бұрын
Amir Stewart thanks brothet
@siko95765 жыл бұрын
R*
@karl17994 жыл бұрын
Somebody needs to pin you
@Rebecca-gq5ki4 жыл бұрын
you're an angel
@cyrus59584 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@rockfish10003 жыл бұрын
Nothing kills the momentum of a classical discussion on the mechanics of justice like an ad for Facebook messenger. Damn you Zuckerberg.
@PutitinDaramen3 жыл бұрын
add block :)
@outis439-A3 жыл бұрын
the zuck strikes again
@rockfish10003 жыл бұрын
@@tonyeezi7315 What? How dare you deny my right to complain!! 😃
@muhammadabdullahhayat83373 жыл бұрын
Use youtube vanced, it allows picture in picture display and no adds. U can use youtube in background
@apluskarma56382 жыл бұрын
Add a . At the end of the html and it will get rid of the ads
@T-ShawnLewis Жыл бұрын
"The more the pleasures of the body fade. The greater becomes one desire for conversation." ~ Socrates ~
@mhdmurad1 Жыл бұрын
The more the pleasure of the body fade away. The greater to me the pleasure and charm of conversation (plato)
@vivalavideoable11 ай бұрын
“Declining interest in physical pleasures is exactly matched by increasing desire for and enjoyment of conversation.”~Cephalus, father of Polymarchus~ chapter 1 in Plato’s Republic
@aon02b7 ай бұрын
That quote is not by Socrates. The author of the story is Plato, and the character who says it is Cephalus
@ShadowMind3125 ай бұрын
@@aon02bAbsolutely correct! Also, the sentiment isn't true for everyone. I find that my desire for both has declined significantly; I have much more interesting things to occupy my time and attention.
@hoosierbaddy30524 ай бұрын
@@ShadowMind312 lemme guess what you’re into now…….cryptocurrency? Good luck with that crap. It sounds cryptic for sure
@therustler307 жыл бұрын
"Yes" "Yes of course" "Of course" "Yes" "I agree" "Yes, we are right to be sure of that" "Yes" "You may say, and be quite right" "YES. OF COURSE"
@hamonteiro7 жыл бұрын
"It surely seems so, yes"
@sandswanch7 жыл бұрын
"i agree, for i think what you say is right"
@sandswanch7 жыл бұрын
this made me laugh so much
@Adrian.katzenstein7 жыл бұрын
apparently
@elias15797 жыл бұрын
They are courteous, that is why they always reply when questioned. People put high standard in conversation. It was important to them because sitting around a fire and talking happened a lot😂😂
@deborahevans6691 Жыл бұрын
This is awesome. My father gave this book to me read. When I was a little girl. He would ask me questions about what I had read each day. I have come to love logic and philosophy since then. It brought me closer to him. I miss those talks and debates. ❤
@mannymoseley4005 Жыл бұрын
That's so nice, touching. Thanks for sharing. I want to purchase all the books.
@rahsunallah2825 Жыл бұрын
Yes your dad was a good man
@genki2705 Жыл бұрын
his assumptions no longer work. The doctor, he asks, is he a businessman or a healer? He says a healer of the sick! And then he makes more and more false assumptions. And the whole construct on which he built his empire falls apart if you don't accept just one of its many premises. In the past, the doctor may only have been paid when the patient got better. Today the doctor gets his money regardless of how the patient is doing. And the more people are worse off, the more he earns. A doctor meets the criteria of a businessman. [36:19]
@j.jupiter6164 Жыл бұрын
Perception of True Love , not just letting you to hope but giving you a Tool to prepare you for .
@smkxodnwbwkdns8369 Жыл бұрын
@@genki2705 You are conflating the industry with an individual doctor. A doctor that consistently fails to treat people will be fired eventually, or struggle to keep any patients, and not be nearly as successful as doctors that treat people with success.
@theman21603 жыл бұрын
On one hand, Socrates was brilliant like none other. On the other I can see why they poisoned him. Imagine arguing with a man like that.
@kovi.d.huckster62733 жыл бұрын
😂😂 I agree
@bex_ufo3 жыл бұрын
It would make a lesser intelligeable person feel very insecure about their thought processes
@thillirrr65792 ай бұрын
Imagine someone casually dismantling a religion in ancient times when the existence of gods was as obvious as the fact that sun comes up in the morning.
@justiniani35858 ай бұрын
I was expecting a dense philosophy tome with complex jargon. I got a bunch of friends talking about politics.
@sirpicklepepperkills81058 ай бұрын
To be fair , those things are very similar fields
@lemmychan7 жыл бұрын
in this episode: Plato shits on every government ever
@jameselliot76 жыл бұрын
yer a fucking geek
@penguinrage89986 жыл бұрын
Elliot King No need to be insecure about your perceived lack of intelligence sir carry on.
@anvilhammer90266 жыл бұрын
Oberlemonne Because governments are as in err as the men that drafted these charters.
@anvilhammer90266 жыл бұрын
Elliot King do you mean Greek?
@dl-q33876 жыл бұрын
Penguin RagE no need to live your whole life with a stick 5 feet up your ass sir, carry on.
@5T4RSCREAM2339 жыл бұрын
narration is incredible... well done
@Ysengraine9 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the find.
@vcvitiko9 жыл бұрын
Look at danny. .haha
@seamusjungian10377 жыл бұрын
Danny Wilten - I have been enjoying your channel.
@5T4RSCREAM2337 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@bccabernet6 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know who is narrating this? He really is fantastic.
@pariah_carey4 жыл бұрын
“yessss” - Socrates c. 375 BC
@ShawnJonesHellion3 жыл бұрын
Of course
@davyroger37733 жыл бұрын
@@bangkokinc.4233 I wonder just how many Marcus's he had in him!
@kefalosthomas68893 жыл бұрын
Imagine a world where parliaments and congresses had discussions like this. Imagine a world where the ruling class were like Greek philosophers instead of scumbags.
@freshstart_calisthenics3 жыл бұрын
The greeks and philoshers had qestoins that have no answer. But to ask another to get that answer. And they care for the young and old. To teach the right and wrong of these scoictys we have grown up in?
@Marcusaurelius9133 жыл бұрын
Their shouldn’t be a ruling class. As captain america once said “Agendas change”. We should defund politicians.
@davyroger37733 жыл бұрын
@@Marcusaurelius913 Those who remove the ruling class become the ruling class
@tiger05rtc2 жыл бұрын
Imagine a world where the people looked up laws and grew their knowledge and then used that knowledge to live completely free… Some of us are already there, come join us. TheBigSib channel
@OddityEssays2 жыл бұрын
The irony is that all those scumbags no doubt read this in college.
@the1andonlytrollface6 жыл бұрын
Glaucon just had to open his big damn mouth, this book would've been a pamphlet otherwise.
@joshjohnson49955 жыл бұрын
Ezra Dube 😂😂😂😂
@rooksman645 жыл бұрын
LMAO
@mohammedzaman89255 жыл бұрын
Love it. ROFL
@malgretout5634 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@MrAlanfalk734 жыл бұрын
That comment made my day 🤣🤣
@audiobookshomeАй бұрын
Diving into 'The Republic' by Plato through this audiobook is a captivating journey through timeless philosophical concepts. Highly recommend for anyone intrigued by deep discussions on justice, reality, and the ideal state.
@khutgaa40 Жыл бұрын
I read 2 different translations of this masterpiece, I've listened to this book at least 4-5 times now. So well written! Perfect reader
@genki2705 Жыл бұрын
I don't know how to listen to this. Since society has changed so much over the centuries, his statements are no longer valid. The doctor, he asks, is he a businessman or a healer? He says a healer of the sick! And then he makes more and more false assumptions. And the whole construct on which he built his empire falls apart if you don't accept just one of its many premises. In the past, the doctor may only have been paid when the patient got better. Today the doctor gets his money regardless of how the patient is doing. And the more people are worse off, the more he earns. A doctor meets the criteria of a businessman. [36:19]
@bttstratosphere4927 Жыл бұрын
@@genki2705 You misunderstand the point, his goal is not to design a perfect society, but to explore the nature of justice and other such things.
@ReverendDr.Thomas Жыл бұрын
@@genki2705 philosophy: the love of wisdom, normally encapsulated within a formal academic discipline. Wisdom is the soundness of an action or decision with regard to the application of experience, knowledge, insight, and good judgment. Wisdom may also be described as the body of knowledge and principles that develops within a specified society or period. E.g. “The wisdom of the Tibetan lamas.” Unfortunately, in most cases in which this term is used, particularly outside India, it tacitly or implicitly refers to ideas and ideologies that are quite far-removed from genuine wisdom. For instance, the typical academic philosopher, especially in the Western tradition, is not a lover of actual wisdom, but a believer in, or at least a practitioner of, adharma, which is the ANTITHESIS of genuine wisdom. Many Western academic (so-called) “philosophers” are notorious for using laborious sophistry, abstruse semantics, gobbledygook, and pseudo-intellectual word-play, in an attempt to justify their blatantly-immoral ideologies and practices, and in many cases, fooling the ignorant layman into accepting the most horrendous crimes as not only normal and natural, but holy and righteous! An ideal philosopher, on the other hand, is one who is sufficiently intelligent to understand that morality is, of necessity, based on the law of non-violence (“ahiṃsā”, in Sanskrit), and sufficiently wise to live his or her life in such a harmless manner. Cf. “dharma”. One of the greatest misconceptions of modern times is the belief that philosophers (and psychologists, especially) are, effectively, the substitutes for the priesthood of old. It is perhaps understandable that this misconception has taken place, because the typical priest/monk/rabbi/mullah seems to be an uneducated buffoon compared with those highly-educated gentlemen who have attained doctorates in philosophy, psychology and psychiatry. However, as mentioned in more than a few places in this book, it is imperative to understand that only an infinitesimal percentage of all those who claim to be spiritual teachers are ACTUAL “brāhmaṇa” (as defined in Chapter 20). Therefore, the wisest philosophers of the present age are still those exceptionally rare members of the Holy Priesthood! At the very moment these words of mine are being typed on my laptop computer, there are probably hundreds of essay papers, as well as books and articles, being composed by professional philosophers and theologians, both within and without academia. None of these papers, and almost none of the papers written in the past, will have any noticeable impact on human society, at least not in the realm of morals and ethics, which is obviously the most vital component of civilization. And, as mentioned in a previous paragraph, since such “lovers-of-wisdom” are almost exclusively adharmic (irreligious and corrupt) it is indeed FORTUITOUS that this is the case. The only (so-called) philosophers who seem to have any perceptible influence in the public arena are “pop” or “armchair” philosophers, such as Mrs. Alisa “Alice” O’Connor (known more popularly by her pen name, Ayn Rand), almost definitely due to the fact that they have published well-liked books and/or promulgate their ideas in the mass media, especially on the World Wide Web.
@nobalpreet495010 ай бұрын
@@genki2705 not all doctors are businessmen
@genki270510 ай бұрын
@@nobalpreet4950 A Doctor by choice, a businessman by necessity maybe
@alexandert6967 жыл бұрын
The republic isnt a blueprint of the perfect society but rather about how things go wrong in the pursue of it.
@Sprite_5255 жыл бұрын
Alexander T - no it says in the beginning that the whole society tangent is just to make analogies for inner harmony. They start having a hard time talking directly about inner harmony, so they decide that zooming out might make the analysis fresher.
@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself4 жыл бұрын
The city is a metaphor for the individual.
@TorontoJon3 жыл бұрын
In the "pursuit of it". Yes, I agree.
@expatphotographer87453 жыл бұрын
None of that is correct. The Republic is the pursuit of justice, broken out to 10 books. It wasn't a societal tangent, it's the damn thesis of Plato's Republic. They don't have a hard time talking about inner harmony than zoom out. You didn't read, or listen, to it, obviously. The discussion moves from political to personal justice, in that order: you literally got what takes place in the book in the wrong order. It's not a metaphor either, it's social political philosophy, primarily, with some addressing of personal justice, the individual. That's not a metaphor. In no way at all is Plato's Republic about society going wrong by pursuing justice. That is, literally, almost the exact opposite of Socrates' famous conclusion. Pathetic.
@michaelsipek76873 жыл бұрын
@@expatphotographer8745 yes your right but your right in practise only if people do agree with you and saing they are wrong or stupid [directly or indirectly] will offend them and will make them want to disagree with you as they feel atacked.You should noticd how socrates analises and discuses with people he is just making a person see the mistake in argument- by not offending them but by respectful and logical way off thingking. I hope this will help you in any way posible. Edit- gramar
@fritzki15 жыл бұрын
Some missing - will amend after exams are over, no time right now. Book II starts at 42:00 Book III starts at 1:16:27 Book IV starts at 1:32:30 Book V starts at 1:58:30 Book VII starts at 3:04:59 Book VIII starts at 3:22:21
@artificialplanet5 жыл бұрын
fritzki1 Book VI starts at 2:33:20
@nospambert5 жыл бұрын
well done sir
@HiBMlive5 жыл бұрын
artificialplanet no book IX and X in this video?
@matthewperkins59565 жыл бұрын
@@mubinkarovalia2128 why so mean
@davecirlclux5 жыл бұрын
Are you God?
@jimmuncy56367 жыл бұрын
Notice that in the beginning, Socrates is forced to stay. His friends insist that he stay and converse with them; he did not force people to listen to him, nor did he write a political treatise claiming to be all-knowing and always correct in his pronouncements. He never wrote anything in his life; he mainly asked questions and followed a thought to its logical conclusions. His earlier dialogues all ended in failures to define what he sought to discover: the nature of friendship, temperance, courage, etc. His student, Plato, wrote Socrates' dialogues. At the end of the "Republic," Socrates says the type of city-state the discussion arrived at resides only in heaven; it will never be realized on earth. People will probably never elect a philosopher-king in the Platonic mode. A Platonic philosopher-king is an ideal, like Jesus. He is no more a dictator than is a wise and loving parent; he always wants what is best for his citizens, a Greek word, by the way. Like an excellent medical doctor: he diagnoses the problem, realizes the nature of his patient, and prescribes the proper medicine. He has only the patient's best interests in mind. He is not seeking money, power, or fame for himself. He acts wisely, appropriately, and lovingly. Socrates: "I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only make them think." [The first time I read the "Republic," I was disgusted. But after several college courses in Platonic philosophy, I realized that Plato writes in such a fashion that grabs the reader and forces him to wrestle with these problems. Plato shows the reader, among other things, that trying to institute a utopia leads to drastic measures, at least by modern standards, like group ownership of the Guardians' children, not everyone's children, just the Guardians'. Plato knew that if the generals had children, they would be sorely tempted to start a dynasty with his sons in charge, sons who may well be incompetent and vicious.]
@TexasPsychoK7 жыл бұрын
It's best to reread it, and listen to this... it gets much more important in times like these.
@TheArchsage747 жыл бұрын
And alas, Socrates was put to death by the people he wished to inspire. Really tragic. He's a lot like Jesus in that respect.
@elias15797 жыл бұрын
TheArchsage74 the difference is Jesus has a lot of people distorting his truths and adding to them. The Bible is full of them. It's a sham.
@jasongartner4057 жыл бұрын
you have , well the most logical coversation that I have read . My gut tells me that socrates was always searching for what he knew was true. WE...are WE.. YOU are YOU.. though he asks the question to the persons that it applies to them, in the way that the person given the queastion would understand, to get the question anserwed even though he knows the anwer. the lesson is to see if people can find the anwer in themselves without being told. So let me ask you ..WHAT is justice, and how do you come up with that point of view. ? whats it you r parents that taught you who you are? did they tell you what is right and wrong? Or perhaps church and science? did they tell you whats right and wrong? Or perhaps its in you ? in us? in all people.. questions was it given ? or is it born in us in our souls? You have a brilliant mind , better than most I read on this subject. So my question stands to you ?
@jimmuncy56367 жыл бұрын
Jason Gartner Aristotle gives the best answer: Justice is the proper order of events. Or, doing the right thing at the right time at to the right person to the right degree in the right way. Of course, then one asks: What exactly is right? I think that right means that which is appropriate, helpful, wise, useful, and loving, although Aristotle never mentions love, as far as I know. Truth or the ability to recognize truth seems to reside somehow in our minds. When truth appears, our minds grasp it and instantly and completely know it for what it is. Nonetheless, we can, and often are, fooled by half-truths, lies, and propaganda. I don't know why or how we can be fooled, often so easily. Maybe it's because we see the partial truth in the propaganda and naively and wrongly accept the whole false communication. But these conclusions are merely my shaky conclusions. I could be totally wrong. Truth can withstand intense examination, so if we keep looking for it, we will, I hope, find more and more of it. All the best!
@strangetimez3 жыл бұрын
The lowkey "yes..." is me the whole time while listening
@hlegler3 жыл бұрын
Just about to dive into this. Your comment made me smile. :D Hope to learn something foundational.
@strangetimez3 жыл бұрын
@@hlegler you definitely will! Its interesting
@nikoplangger3 жыл бұрын
Try the exercise of prooving Sokrates after every "yes" wrong
@nikoplangger3 жыл бұрын
....yes
@Crtnmn3 жыл бұрын
Ahh
@CagetheOnion Жыл бұрын
That awkward moment when an Iron Age nerd perfectly describes the nature of the ongoing crises of every major civilization of the Information Age…
@rajarshichakraborty886211 ай бұрын
Plato wasn't a nerd like modern intellectuals are, the name plato itself means "Broad-shouldered" in Ancient Greek, he for sure was a chad
@Castle317911 ай бұрын
@Rajarshi Chakraborty He was a wrestler to be specific. And Socrates if I remember correctly was a soldier...
@LexusWallgod9 ай бұрын
Aquad. Terrtra. Squair. What is the element of fire with something of four in the name?
@Boylieboyle9 ай бұрын
@@LexusWallgod'Fire'. The 'f' of four and the number of letters. And it sounds similar. Sorted.
@JeffRebornNow9 ай бұрын
I liked your remark. You were just speaking of the timelessness of Plato's questions and the seeming changelessness of human nature.
@perfectwhine7429 жыл бұрын
These conversations are mind blowing.
@karamlevi3 жыл бұрын
Remember this was removed by school. Like constitution and don’t lie commandments.
@orcvsivstitia76083 жыл бұрын
Yes they are. I sent this to my son's (Twins in thier 20s) I gave them 3 questions with no real correct answer and told them. Whomever finishes thai first while answering them gets $50. Second gets $40.
@Michael_______3 жыл бұрын
@@orcvsivstitia7608 r u broke?
@orcvsivstitia76083 жыл бұрын
@@Michael_______ Maybe not as broke as some but far less broken than many.
@nickrobinson12123 жыл бұрын
@@karamlevi very intriguing
@xuyizhen006 жыл бұрын
I have to stop occasionally, think or replay, to really perceive the content. This book is amazing.
@cortestando8 ай бұрын
Ditto
@tomfallon44403 жыл бұрын
This whole book is read in the exact same intonation as the scene from quest for the holy grail where Sir Bedevere teaches the peasants how to find witches
@davyroger37733 жыл бұрын
Monty python?
@domdubz7037 Жыл бұрын
“And what else floats in water?”
@domdubz7037 Жыл бұрын
It really does 😂 here’s the link kzbin.info/www/bejne/laOwpJqjlqeJbsk
@pyotrilyichtchaikovskyii6638 Жыл бұрын
@@domdubz7037 An evil ship builder?
@elbpc Жыл бұрын
who are you that is so wise in the ways of philosophy
@doublenegation78704 жыл бұрын
The book opens with a beautiful metaphor about "passing the torch" to the young, which is immediately followed by a dialogue on what wisdom the old have discovered for themselves after a long life. Remember this: every single detail in a Platonic dialogue has significance, especially the ones that seem merely contextual, in the setting external to the discussion.
@ennaciri79833 жыл бұрын
This book was recommended for us to read by a college professor nearly 10 years ago. Can't believe it took me this long to finally read (or should I say listen to?) it.
@Leifler Жыл бұрын
The description of what happens to Democracy and its ride to tyranny, is like someone narrating the current years of our nation...
@gabecosta906511 ай бұрын
😅
@markberman670811 ай бұрын
Amazing isn't it. Glad we are a Republic with a Constitution and have the means to stop what's happening. Funny how Socialists always want citizens disarmed. Heh.
@user-zc5jz6bh2r10 ай бұрын
History repeats
@petekdemircioglu10 ай бұрын
Yes. Thats why in Greek version they had to be very educated and solid charactered people who decide. Otherwise it always has a danger of Slipping to tyranny of majority. Hence the need for shadow Governments to prevent it.
@d.c.27754 жыл бұрын
Thanks you for sharing anyone listening in 2019? 2020 now
@apolloguide4 жыл бұрын
Yes12/31/2019 onward to 2020 !!
@conundrumquill25004 жыл бұрын
1/1/2020 Here lol
@baphometsvomit4 жыл бұрын
2020 hehe
@bryansmalley22964 жыл бұрын
Yes, I am 2020
@thevan14 жыл бұрын
Right now !!!
@mongamelijabavu39777 жыл бұрын
very well narrated.....
@kbg12ila6 жыл бұрын
This is my first time listening to an audiobook. It's a very different kind of concentration I need haha. So used to just reading.
@Sprite_5254 жыл бұрын
You started with a tough audiobook. This aint Harry Potter! Hope you enjoyed it
@roddo19554 жыл бұрын
@@Sprite_525 true! I use this to get to sleep. If I really want to grasp this, I need to read it. So I can read a sentence and think about it. Maybe read it again.
@maryhadley73734 жыл бұрын
With audiobooks you can get more lit in while emptying the dishwasher or folding clothes.... If I’m on a road trip... an audiobook is a must!
@willmpet4 жыл бұрын
I find my understanding is greater if I read the book along with the narrator. Then I have read and seen what someone else thought important.
@pedroforonda4 жыл бұрын
Audio book goes into your head via your ears, and if they are dirty, of course your understanding would not be as kin or complete I suppose.
@serendiptychild9 жыл бұрын
Wow. Such an easy, conversational writing style .. very palatable presentation of some very heavy topics
@kellye20134 жыл бұрын
serendiptychild simplicity is the elegant quality of wisdom. Modern Nations have countless statutes and laws; Moses and Haberabbi had only handfuls
@benjaminlquinlan87023 жыл бұрын
It's called dialogue
@victorstroganov81353 жыл бұрын
it's also a translation, they tend to be simpler
@jameseldridge3445 Жыл бұрын
I try to recommend this books to my friends/family as an intro to philosophy, but when they hear the word "philosophy" they automatically think its some overcomplicated outdated writings that don't interest them. When in reality its the most fluid and intriguing dialogues, as if you are sitting at a table conversing with friends. They'll rather watch TikTok or Netflix.
@xariafrank9442 Жыл бұрын
That’s really unfortunate, hopefully one day they’ll have a change of heart. I’ve recently gained interest in philosophy so this is my first philosophical text (well, audiobook lol). I’m likely to finish it by the end of this week so if you have any recommendations I’d be glad to try them out!
@Growmetheus Жыл бұрын
Pythagoras is my favorite so far. Abstract ideas he defined, definitions he made abstract, mathematical shapes he refined from chaos, and the way he saw the human spirit and willpower enacted in the world around him is just mesmerizing.
@brightersparkslondon6846 Жыл бұрын
You need new friends comrade. Maybe Pythagoras or Descartes next....
@FringeWizard2 Жыл бұрын
@@xariafrank9442 My life is dedicated to philosophy and I have read hundreds of philosophers and the very best one is William Walker Atkinson. Aside from him I can recommend many other depending on your goals and interests and how well-rounded you want to be but if you simply started with Atkinson and then branched out from there by studying anyone he namedrops (e.g. Schopenhauer) eventually you'll cover the whole western tradition and the eastern traditions too.
@GuessTheFondMachine Жыл бұрын
@@FringeWizard2 woah dont see Atkinson mentioned often. His work under his Ramacharaka pseudonym changed my life. His book on Raja Yoga is particularly good.
@m.a.t.s71655 жыл бұрын
I bought this huge book "The Works Of Plato" years ago, I read every single Work, every single page. About 800 pages total. I read it Two or three times in a ten year period. Every once in awhile, still a few pages here and there. So this Audio hits home for me, lots of good memories, good stuff, thanks for sharing.
@TheoWrigt11 ай бұрын
What do you think of the loeb translations?
@thelaw35366 жыл бұрын
Thr argument for justice was fire.
@kayley33404 жыл бұрын
The Law, not was but is fire. But who can say what fire is. Is it because we’ve been told it’s fire or is it truly fire?. Chained unable to see the truth. The man who thought he saw the sun. The sun is only fire from the torch blinding those who try to see past it, shielding the truth. Yo, what the frick freaking flip am I saying???
@Dazza_Doo6 күн бұрын
It has me fuming. Everything is so vague and unexplained that too not even define the definition of a friend, And the complicated mess that would be to explain what the next friend is. The person behind the Counter give me a nice hot piece of bread with a smile is considered a friend because they are doing good to me, No this is just wrong. And it's done on purpose that way that's what gets me so aggravated, Their morality is not my morality, To begin with they are happy to have slaves, In my morality that's not very virtuous
@rdalbano8 жыл бұрын
This is a very fine reading one of the greatest philosophical treatments of the soul. Thank you!
@Teasehirt5 жыл бұрын
What I understood from this, is the sharing of thoughts of delightful perfection that begins in the mind maybe as close as we will ever get to a Utopia but it’s in the sharing and realisation of theses thoughts that will ultimately lead to an ever great world harmony.
@simigonzalez57043 жыл бұрын
I love this audio, I feel as if I'm there seating near and listening with the people...
@GeorgeKGrace9 жыл бұрын
Beautiful, and inspiring. And to think that this work was created so, so long ago. It only shows of course how little our world has really advanced towards real Justice.
@Uhpgradde9 жыл бұрын
Lots of wonderful questions, however their solutions towards creating a more perfect human system by robbing the people of their humanity is less than beautiful to me. I have very little trouble recognizing just how dated the philosophies are in this reading.
@GeorgeKGrace9 жыл бұрын
Real Philosophy does not become dated, because it is based on true premises (2000 years ago or today) and that is what it makes it valuable. Looking back, what seems "politically incorrect" or "inhuman" today, it is simply the exposure of long-known human traits inherent to those humans and our societies (no matter the era), the difference now is that it is becoming a taboo exposing these traits. You are right; trying to create a perfect society is in obvious contradiction with our time, because our system gets farther and farther away from being fair, and this obviously happens when nobody looks for Perfection nor Justice anymore than profit. Anyways, who says that Plato's words weren't just symbolical? After all did Socrates even exist? ;)
@Uhpgradde9 жыл бұрын
You make some good points there G.K. I suppose "out of fashion" would be a better way of saying it than "dated". Putting everyone in their place and deciding their futures for them towards the exclusive benefit of the state is a great system if you want to say build pyramids or establish an empire. Rigid systems can be very effective when under external pressure, and there is great peace of mind in being sure that all your players are in their places trained and ready. It is the casting itself that is so unpalatable to me. In this day and age I would prefer every willing individual to experience the arts, philosophy, labor, and conception at the expense of their performance towards given task and the peak performance of the whole. Of course there are not currently any barbarians camped outside town burning our fields and building siege equipment. If that were the case I would have to count on Plato's playbook.
@GeorgeKGrace9 жыл бұрын
Well, in my opinion, perhaps there are always some kind of "barbarians" threatening to eradicate our "world view" somehow, and that's why I find this idea of a highly organized (and self-sufficient) community so appealing, regardless of the sacrifice of an individual "liberty" (Democracy's Goddess). Nevertheless, I know it is impossible outside the realm of Ideas, the same way you should consider your beautiful "dream" of Arts, Philosophy and meaningful labor for the masses, because it is as utopic as mine... I guess we are just but a bunch of dreamers ;)
@Uhpgradde9 жыл бұрын
I only request for the opportunity to pursue these things despite one's natural disposition. Not so utopic in the way that it allows for failure and unexpected success. Where again the pyramids have stood for thousands of years and will stay there long after we are all gone, we have the technology to stand ours on its end (er top) and give everyone a better view. Where people once toiled in the fields tractors cruise along. Where thousands and millions waged bloody personal war, drones and long range engagements buffer an increasingly growing nugget of people. Giving them each the opportunity in some measure to find their own way. With no shortage of human beings in the foreseeable future and a shrinking need for there physical effort to produce the resources they consume. Together with an increase in their ability to access and acquire a diverse set of skills that the simpler steady system would never had required or perhaps even deemed a distraction. Should and I believe does enhance the effectiveness of the individual in the tasks they take unto themselves. And this in turn strengthens and pushes the people as a whole to greater heights.
@bellyfiore1 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for that. I am so grateful to do my daily work and listen to you.
@eloisesjohnson28 Жыл бұрын
I read this book many years ago and have quoted it throughout the years. It's the first time listening to an audio. Along with loving the audio it brought back happy my memories of sitting in the dark with my siblings as we listened to stories on the radio. I found that I had to adjust to audio and my childhood memory helped to adjust more quickly.that I probably would have.
@jennyaskswhy3 жыл бұрын
Wisdom, courage, and moderation in all things, those are the virtues by which the Golden rule; to pursue the good for its own sake not for its ends.
@OUTBOUND1848 жыл бұрын
Just wonderful, including the music.
@skalled50515 жыл бұрын
The way the narration is done makes this so therapeutic to listen to, I could listen to this over and over, and never get bored of it.
@emilyklassen56107 жыл бұрын
Book IV starts 1:32:30
@babylonianbackup91125 жыл бұрын
Thanks haha
@els-englishlessonsforstudents3 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z3fEd6d5iNeFndk The Happy Prince And Other Stories by Oscar Wilde (Complete Audio Book)
@drakima1310 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this audio book. I will take it's wisdom with me wherever life takes me.
@lewisforsythe1403 Жыл бұрын
8 years later..... no, you didn't.
@mnyorej4 жыл бұрын
2020...Socrates is so important to me that I opened up a company and a school under his name
@beelz3buggg3 жыл бұрын
Very nice
@gauravrmisar95603 жыл бұрын
Congratulations
@zacharycieszinski54653 жыл бұрын
all of this was really good and interesting, especially the part at the end talking about the afterlife and reincarnation, I didn't know the Greeks had those ideas
@snailinasknn77255 жыл бұрын
Who’s here after book 👏🏽 review 👏🏽
@dy85764 жыл бұрын
Yeah and it was so hard to read and understand so i had to lol
@Ooger779 жыл бұрын
Way to go JRE! For posting one of the most influential books ever written on this open forum of discussion. Its always great to hear ideas explored, even if they're wrong, because it further helps me to formulate my own thoughts.
@saldevita33683 жыл бұрын
I have read The Republic about 40 years ago and now I you have created an audio book which I have enjoyed tremendously! Thanks
@profitprophets13636 ай бұрын
It's actually so cool how ideas can transcend lifetimes to be taught still to us now.
@Andre_Servetus5 ай бұрын
Great translation and reading. Thoroughly enjoying.
@synthetic_paul4 жыл бұрын
Very well read! God bless.
@Excuseme475 жыл бұрын
I love the way this was written. Quite clear and precise. Allows the listener to stay focused and in tune with everything as the story goes on
@TheAcExGalaxy3 жыл бұрын
inquisitiveness
@Tom-zg3vh7 ай бұрын
I had to re-listen many times certain sections to get it.. and pergaps lucky to get half of it .. Socrates was definitely a mega-genius - father of western thought.
@mannymoseley4005 Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed this greatly, thank you so much for posting this, I do appreciate it was so kind of you. Very interesting, very entertaining. Many thanks. God bless you.
@madiba4ever2107 жыл бұрын
"souls are immortal. We must aspire to send them the upper way. Always".
@drwatsonca69453 жыл бұрын
Sadly there is no proof that souls exist.
@davyroger37733 жыл бұрын
@@drwatsonca6945 Perhaps the DNA is the soul passing from one generation to the next
@SyrusGreg8 жыл бұрын
Quite an interesting book, I had to listen to this for an self-assignment but now I am happy I did, and intrigued.
@Trollfecta10 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fantastic narration, great rhythm and really feels like a conversation is taking place, easy to comprehend and even without following the text. And to answer some questions: yes it's complete, and the start times for each book are going to be different depending on your specific translation of the book.
@adiinbar993 Жыл бұрын
Um...are you freaking kidding??? This edition is HEAVILY abridged. On what do you base the claim that it's complete, a hasty assumption that other people must be confused because they aren't smart enough to have your insight that the exact times can be affected by the version of the translation and the narration speed? Did it even occur to you to, maybe, actually check the text before misleading people with false assurances that they're hearing the whole thing? I read this book 30 years ago and I could easily tell that much of it was missing before I even reached the one hour mark. It's not even close to complete -- about half of the original work is omitted!
@xPr0DiiGyxLORDsh Жыл бұрын
@@adiinbar993 I wondered why other audio book versions of this online were a bit longer.
@LUCIOdaMayTricks5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the effort of making this audiibook available
@juanpadilla32036 жыл бұрын
This is very good. Thank you for posting it!
@Halibut862 жыл бұрын
Christ, people were this smart back then? I've not read a single modern work with such deep insights.
@Moribus_Artibus Жыл бұрын
Well then you don't associate with men who revere the honorable writers of our own time
@Andrea-zm1nl6 ай бұрын
Lol! It is truly amazing what people were able to accomplish when they didn't have television, radio, movies, video games, porn,etc etc, to distract them from actually using the brain they were born with, isn't it? 🤔🤔🙂
@andrewm00010 ай бұрын
This is Masters work; it should be compulsory for every American student. One needs to listen to this at least five times to truly activate and release the brillance...
@borninvincible10 ай бұрын
Americans can't even get their history books straight, they ain't ready for this.
@kirkcinnamon84678 ай бұрын
@borninvincible what can't we get straight?
@borninvincible8 ай бұрын
@@kirkcinnamon8467 your basic history for one 🤡
@shakey33067 ай бұрын
@@kirkcinnamon8467 he blatantly said it, haha can't you even read? Another thing is definetelly geography...
@PhilipBaker-sf4yv6 ай бұрын
America will improve only when Americans are following the Bible of their own free will
@lancelotdufrane4 жыл бұрын
The work, you’ve done here,... so fricckin powerfu.. I had little idea, it was (obvious),... I’ll be seeking any and all poetry.... eyes wide open to sky and spirit.... I’m in
@lycwydthoughts46402 жыл бұрын
Simple arguments, profound discovery of human nature in this discussion. I encourage all who listen to this, imagine you are at a dinner table with this group listening to and exporting your ideas and arguments with them, actually take part in the discussion.
@jameseldridge34452 жыл бұрын
It's hard for me to fathom that people had such profound conversations over 2000 years ago. Like I've paused/highlighted so many parts and sat there in shock haha
@lycwydthoughts46402 жыл бұрын
@@jameseldridge3445 I definitely agree, and it's even weirder for me to comprehend how we DONT have such deep intellectual conversations as the normal philosophy anymore. But yea, the fact that these daddies were doing this thousands of years ago is a trip. The discipline to pursue debates daily, to understand oneself and the world he inhabits and that surrounds him. We've lost touch. Hit me up to reconnect.
@allusionsxp26064 жыл бұрын
I read this book a while back, it is good and very insightful
@normanharrison82154 жыл бұрын
it's really hilarious that I've subscribed this channel for years just because of this Philosophy video with awesome cover. every other videos uploaded by this dude is something else.
@gorecassady16324 жыл бұрын
norman harrison you listen to Joe Rogan? He’s a rad dude, check him out.
@amugen4 жыл бұрын
The perennial wisdom of Plato is like an extremely sharp knife that never loses it's edge nor ever will. Just like Truth itself.
@benjaminlquinlan87023 жыл бұрын
Narsil
@emmanuel21028 ай бұрын
What an amazing job the narrator did with this work.
@Instrumentals4Sale9 жыл бұрын
exceptionally well read! Thanks for uploading this, best version of this Ive heard. Some credit info in the description would be nice ;)
@septwolfke52047 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this audiobook, it makes me feel better to have it on.
@biacampbell676 Жыл бұрын
Great reading. Thank you so much 🙏
@genesisbarajas23977 жыл бұрын
Book 2 starts at 42:00
@Adam-vp4oe6 жыл бұрын
I’ve read this book alone and then taken a class on it. It’s the ultimate insight. You, have done the world a service by making this video in this form. Thank you.
@MarkLewis...5 жыл бұрын
"The ultimate insight."- What???!!! You actually agree with Socrates and his vision of created Utopia? FYI... Socrates is describing not a free Utopian Republic, but a dystopia of an enslaved citizenship, controlled, euthanized, and aborted by selective breeding, and decreed by the rule of a chosen elite aristocratic oligarchy, demanding forced agrarian labor to serve the State, by militaristic Socialism. How can you not hear it in this audio book, or not comprehend it from reading the book and your class???!!!
@bfc21554 жыл бұрын
@@MarkLewis... chill out ya fruit
@MarkLewis...4 жыл бұрын
@@bfc2155 LOL... Wow... at least your stupidity brings me laughter.
@bfc21554 жыл бұрын
@@MarkLewis... a person says they enjoyed the reading and explains why. You go on a rant. You're a fruit
@MarkLewis...4 жыл бұрын
@@bfc2155 The retorts of an idiot, (you) hold no weight. I'm never surprised by uneducated trolls like you, who toss insults to the educated, while simultaneously clasping so proudly to your ignorance. Your insecurity is a YOU problem. I challenged the poster's stance on Plato's The Republic and their (obvious) lack of understanding to it as a whole... you take issue with that, because you don't understand it, or simple maths for that matter. You're the troll, not I. You're an idiot.
@pythgoreansassistant27893 жыл бұрын
2:42:50 Plato introduces his Theory of Forms here. The audiobook seems to have dwindled down some of the archaic dialogue, but it still follows.
@markpallottinojr3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love this reading. Such a great job. Engaging and amazing.
@AHumanVoice12310 ай бұрын
I salute the person who translated this book and to one who audio recorded it and the one who uploaded. Conclusion: GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE.
@cameronbridges9316 Жыл бұрын
I just listened first time. So magical. Will be back to this video many times. Love the music with it as well... So amazing that these guys were talking so in depth but in such a simple way at the same time. Socrates is cool. Now Im torn between Socrates and Nietzsche. For now Im going to continue reading Plato.
@jboss2710 ай бұрын
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@hirschowitz14 жыл бұрын
Wonderful narration. Thank you for posting this indispensable classic. Miss Jenny
@southeast65963 жыл бұрын
Socrates OWNS Greek aristocrats with FACTS and LOGIC
@anticringecrusader1016 Жыл бұрын
fuck him, he didnt write any books, and was bulshiting about physical health, when he him self not even once had picked up a weight. Where on fhe other hand Plato is the real goat, he wrote many books, and respected greek traditions of physical training.
@FireService1 Жыл бұрын
What group are you associated with? I’m American and I know for a fact there is no Socrates type of person to tell us. We just live like fools who have zero self discipline. No we have the tyrants who rule us and promote vice so they can profit from our addictions. How is an excellent society going to exist without self discipline? So we are turning into that useless mob that hates their rulers. And if you think democracy is real you are part of the problem. We have hereditary rule by some really rich evil people. 🙏🏻pray for their souls 🙏🏻
@ReverendDr.Thomas Жыл бұрын
Sings: “It ain’t necessarily so...” 🎤
@highzen7107 Жыл бұрын
And ads
@notatallbroe Жыл бұрын
so REAL
@angrykidwithinternetaccess98625 жыл бұрын
Listens to the first 5 min Level up *intellect 100*
@konfunable4 жыл бұрын
If you write this, most certainly not.
@Gnolomweb4 жыл бұрын
@@konfunable you dont know meme
@Gnolomweb4 жыл бұрын
Did you listen to Aristotle's "Politics" critiques?
@stevewondering63114 жыл бұрын
It is wisdom not necessarily intellect
@mattb46403 жыл бұрын
I, an intellectual, can confirm.
@Sana_a046 ай бұрын
Although abridged, this very much helped me understand the book as a whole whilst reading the unabridged version.
@chrissyward55394 ай бұрын
Abridged and a great translation. Wondering what the translated text/edition is.
@MrMojo13ification5 жыл бұрын
These guys agree to bloody anything
@richrockefeller33315 жыл бұрын
@John lol
@bizarro20daves5 жыл бұрын
Why yes! Of course they do
@pagetvido18504 жыл бұрын
I think it was the style to politely let someone lead you through a series of plausible questions, and then formulate your own countering set of questions that your convo partner would also politely say yes to. I guess that's the Greek version of political correctness or something.
@davidbrotheridge104 жыл бұрын
@@pagetvido1850 boo
@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself4 жыл бұрын
The power of the Socratic method
@verkaforever10 жыл бұрын
I love Plato and Socrates.
@mercurypoizund4047 жыл бұрын
verkaforever waste of time...read Charles Bukowski
@dl-q33876 жыл бұрын
Waste of time? Innumerable scholars would STRONGLY disagree with that.How dense are you to call Socratic logic a "waste of time"? He's easily one of the most influential philosophers that has ever lived.Even if you don't agree with him this is undeniable..
@phoenyx5555 жыл бұрын
Mercury Poizund Only truly ignorant man can say such thing.
@teresapoudrier4944 жыл бұрын
@@dl-q3387 "Innumerable" dont ever mean the crowd is correct.
@Fuggettabouttitt4 жыл бұрын
Yes, of course.
@kuamir5733 жыл бұрын
thank you for this content, god bless!!!
@insertcoinstocontinue8074 жыл бұрын
Step one: Look at the total views the video has. Step two: Look at the upload date. Step three: Take the current year and subtract the upload year. Step four: Divide the total views by the result. Step five: Stop posting comments asking if anyone is watching it in your current year.
@CandidDate3 жыл бұрын
Step five is extrapolate based on years/views how many people will watch this current year. Step six is be thankful KZbin randomizes comments by date so more of a variety of comments is represented.
@glebkaroch93183 жыл бұрын
OmG wHo ElSe Is WaTcHiNg In 2020???
@davyroger37733 жыл бұрын
Or just simply change the comments to new comments instead of top comments and see when they were posted
@jasoncorderoy399810 жыл бұрын
This is amazing. Does anybody know who the narrator is? Or where this audiobook can be purchased from? He is fantastic. Reading the book was a great experience but this narrator really brought it to life. He makes things so clear and narrates the characters so well and at an excellent pace.
@PhilosopherMuse9 жыл бұрын
Jason Corderoy Did you find out the answers to your questions yet? If so, could you let me know as well? Regards, Jason
@PhilosopherMuse9 жыл бұрын
I've done as you suggested and there is 2 different audio recordings of the republic, both trans by Benjamin and narrated by other dudes. Who is the narrator and translator of the youtube video above?
@johnd.5346 Жыл бұрын
Bruce Alexander I believe
@Bepinowapo Жыл бұрын
@@johnd.5346 The Death of Socrates read correctly by Bruce Alexander
@rickiandavis Жыл бұрын
notta"perfect"translation
@wolvesarecoming0225 жыл бұрын
Book review 😁😆 I love the voice over too
@Sprite_5253 жыл бұрын
4:23:56 & 4:48:12 what amazing ideas. I return to this every month or so. So grateful this exists.
@mjmclaugh45723 жыл бұрын
Hey, just trying to ask around because I'm trying to buy the book. Do you know which edition and who the translator was for this version of "The Republic"?
@Sprite_5253 жыл бұрын
mj mclaugh - the written version is the Ferrari translation under Cambridge Publications. The audio version is nowhere to be found! I tried for 1-year plus and no luck.
@MikachuAi6 жыл бұрын
Great to fall asleep to - I like sleep learning
@Dorkus89Malorkus10 жыл бұрын
Very pleasant to the ears. I read this a long time ago but it's such a profound book that it still lingers in my mind.
@P1ng11039 жыл бұрын
I have a test on The Republic, but I haven't had time to read it. Thank goodness for KZbin!!
@mashotoshaku5 жыл бұрын
You are fortunate to go to a school where is works are still respected
@SH-hl3ce4 жыл бұрын
Well you went to a good school, I discovered Platonism at age 26 thanks to Werner Heisenberg and now i wish they'd forced me to read Plato too 😂
@MsWarbucks4 жыл бұрын
Better late than never. Yes it would have been good to read at senior school .
@JurijFedorov4 жыл бұрын
It takes longer to listen to it than to read it.
@alex_poly11473 жыл бұрын
@@JurijFedorov are books that small?
@aldunlop46225 ай бұрын
I just want to how, just how did the Ancient Greeks come up with so many complex ideas? Their mindset is incredible and I think maybe it was because the world was so quiet and so dark at night. We had a massive storm a few years ago and lost power for 5 days. At first it was stressful, and it was pitch black at night but by about day 3 I began to feel really calm and by day 5 I almost didn’t care.
@haimbenavraham15024 жыл бұрын
The narrator has performed an outstanding job.
@KCQUANN7 жыл бұрын
i love a good reading voice Thank you for sharing
@MartianManHunter22584 жыл бұрын
Someone asked Sophocles, "How is your sex life now? Are you still able to have a woman?" That someone was Tommy Wiseau.
@deliacolquhoun284520 күн бұрын
When the "of course!" Drops "Ohhhhhh!" 💥💫
@ohsnap82843 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. I can't afford books right now so this is helpful for sure.
@pukaman20003 жыл бұрын
Whilst listening to this Republic I also listen to Thus Spoke Zarathustra- Nietzsche. Socrates was a warrior before becoming a philosopher and was said to be well over 6 feet high. (A professor told me this.) I wonder what would have happened if Nietzsche and Socrates were locked in an elevator together?
@havenbastion3 жыл бұрын
buttsecks
@StinFriggins11 ай бұрын
I wish my family were virtuous like in the classical sense. Not this freedom-to-be-ignorant and individualistic-but-also-feliopietistic sense. I discovered Plato when I was 22 and got weird looks in my hometown for liking and talking about him. Their first thought was that I was regressing back to dabbling in Play-Doh.
@shakey33067 ай бұрын
we need to marry and have kids man, seriously, you just brightned up my day, that's exactly what i think, the people are indoctrinated in their selfishness, with no concern for what is good, this needs to end