THE RETURN OF DINARS, AFFIX CHANGES, CLASS TUNING, NEW TIER + MORE! | Patch 11.1 Undermine(d) News

[@Peacemoon-ToH]

Key depletion should be gradual with each Feat of Strength rather than just 2850 rating. So Conquerer it won't deplete bellow 4, Master it won't deplete below 7, Hero it won't deplete below 10. Etc. That would mean when you get a Feat you're now 'qualified' for that key level range and don't have to do it again. Would be quite fun as a ladder to build yourself up.

[@Tactyks]

I am 100% on board with this, great idea!

[@bashiel]

This would be much much better yeah

[@TheNacropolice]

That's how it should be, idk why they picked 2850 out of thin air. SOmeone that level is probably not doing lower keys and odds are has a semi-decent group to run with

[@draxxxxx]

Sup @Tactyks, i just got carried by you guys (Caastaa - Aug Evoker from Dalaran). Had to find you somewhere. Sorry i didn't address it, i really thought it was a +2, haha. Thank you for the free vault.

[@Tactyks]

Hahaha that's awesome! No problem at all, good luck in the vault tomorrow

[@banditkeith96]

Augmentation Evoker: (2) Set Bonus: Your damaging spells have a chance to hit a Jackpot!, causing an Upheaval at 100% effectiveness that does not knock enemies up. Casting Breath of Eons always hits a Jackpot! (4) Set Bonus: Your Upheavals have a 100% chance to grant Essence Burst. Eruptions cast with Essence Burst deal 25% increased damage. Elemental Shaman: (2) Set Bonus: Your spells and abilities have a chance to hit a Jackpot! that summons a Fire Elemental for 8.0 seconds. Casting Ascendance always hits a Jackpot! (4) Set Bonus: When you summon or extend your Fire Elemental, your Lightning Bolt, Chain Lightning, and Lava Burst deal 10% increased damage for 8 seconds. Augmentation Evoker: (2) Set Bonus: Your damaging spells have a chance to cause an Upheaval at 100% effectiveness that does not knock enemies up. Casting Breath of Eons always triggers this. (4) Set Bonus: Your Upheavals have a 100% chance to grant Essence Burst. Eruptions cast with Essence Burst deal 25% increased damage. Elemental Shaman: (2) Set Bonus: Your spells and abilities have a chance to summon a Fire Elemental for 8.0 seconds. Casting Ascendance always summons a Fire Elemental. (4) Set Bonus: When you summon or extend your Fire Elemental, your Lightning Bolt, Chain Lightning, and Lava Burst deal 10% increased damage for 8 seconds. Is this Jackpot! stuff really necessary? Seems like just some extra wording to do the same thing tier sets generally do.

[@serryx1944]

For Raze replacing Maul. The talent tree on the 11.1 ptr calculator states that Raze does 59.63% ( of Attack Power ) dmg to all enemies in front of you, is increased by 100% when striking a single target and is reduced beyond 5 targets. I'd still rather have the option of pressing one or the other but can't say I'm completely against it either.

[@Tactyks]

Yeah this is fine imo, but it does have the funny side effect of making Raze better than Maul in ST (at least with current tuning) so you'd actually want to take it in pure ST situations.

[@eaberrydc]

No key depletion is great if you are literally top 2%. The other 98% can pound sand

[@michelmorin2894]

Exactly... seriously 2850 is massive in PUG... where the Key depletion hit the most...

[@nicokruse2663]

2850 is like the usual range ppl are at. isnt it?

[@hejalll]

@@nicokruse2663lol no

[@michelmorin2894]

@@hejalll I'm pretty sure there was some level of sarcasm there...

[@hejalll]

@@michelmorin2894 don’t think so

[@Lehmkuhl.]

I don't mind when sets don't change my play style. However, random chance for DR is always lame.

[@Tactyks]

Yeah I feel like my reaction would be a bit different if it wasn't exactly an effect that tanks notoriously don't value much hahaha

[@martinkf]

Lately, I’ve been feeling pretty uninterested in WoW for the past couple of weeks, so it’s great to have updates broken down like this. Even though I play Brewmaster, so I guess “news” isn’t exactly the right term, lol. Thanks, Tank Guy!

[@Tactyks]

No problem at all! Surely they just forgot the brewmaster notes and they'll be included in the next PTR update :P

[@sknoppsi4413]

Ok if i remeber right, 2850 is the rating you have when you timed every dungeon on a +12. Now, when i push to 13 it still depleeds. Ok my key can't go below 12 but if I play another key from a team mate or pug then my +12 it will still depleed even if I am in that group right? For me this means this doesn't help anyone right? I mean if someone it progressing below +12 it still depleeds. If someone id progressing at +19 I don't think this people have the fear to ever depleed from 19 down to something lower then +12. So who does this change help? Even if I progress from 11 to 12 I don't have the rating and the key depleeds. When reaching the achievement you are progressing +13 and this key depleeds. To be honest when my key depleeds from 13 to 12 we progress the key of a team mate so no need to upgrade a +12 except for crests or vault runs.

[@Tactyks]

Currently this seems to mainly be targeted at helping alts since the bonus is account wide, but I do agree that I wouldn't be unhappy if this was just baseline how keys worked, just to make pugging in the 2-12 bracket (which is the vast majority of M+ keys) a bit less toxic and intimidating.

[@solemvow6281]

These tank changes really are underwhelming. Next season dungs have big pulls (minus ToP) and tanks still have white issues. However, prot pala as an outlier got hella buff while at the same time nerfing BDK and brew by lack of action and directly nerfing prot war due to spending rage also decreasing avatar's CD

[@Tactyks]

Yeah I'm hoping these are just the first round of changes and that we also see a rework to the tank 2p bonus, but we'll have to see how everything feels once the PTR is actually available.

[@Katassu86]

As a prot warrior main, the changes look they'll significantly reduce the fun of playing the spec

[@Loki19810310]

The Guardian 4p looks fire..... like a dumpster fire..... i think someone at the office was late with his work, and just threw something in there when the boss screamed at him.

[@Peacemoon-ToH]

My guild has a Keystone Legend 'guild achievement' for reaching 3K rating. I've posted about it elsewhere and said repeatedly its a shame there are no achievements between 2.5K and the top 0.1%. Seems like they have listened! I should get comission :D

[@Tactyks]

Blizzard's cheque is in the mail surely!

[@JBX5677JB]

Love your content, but I am kind of surprised the analysis was so light on the Prot Warrior nerfs. I understand it was a long video and maybe this will be addressed in a separate video later, or you are waiting to get a feel after testing it, but there is going to be many unintended consequences that aren't aligning with the stated goal of reducing rage overflow and spam that we don't need to test to understand. Like less damage from many different sources (shield slam procs/less Avatar uptime/less rage for executes, etc) and harder to start packs with shield block uptime with removing rage from shield charge/demo shout not being enough rage on it's own to cast shield block. I know you have a very in-depth understanding of the class, which is why I was expecting a little more.

[@Tactyks]

As you guessed I plan to do a full video on tanks once I actually test things out on the PTR itself in the new year, just because I don't want to jump to any conclusions on how something may affect a playstyle when I haven't actually played it myself. Will definitely have something more indepth for you at some point in January hopefully!

[@JBX5677JB]

@@Tactyks Makes sense. Cheers!

[@Katassu86]

Overcapping rage is more prominent for Mountain Thane than it is for Colossus. But these changes impact both. I'm interested in seeing how these feel on the PTR but my first read is Colossus will remain unviable in m+ and may become difficult to manage in Raid.

[@Infernius]

Keys not depleting is massive. It will promote an entirely new mentality towards doing M+, a wipe that would usually end a whole run should just be a "okay guys what have we learned, let's go again" mentality because you get to face the same challenge and learn from it.

[@JetBrews]

People are complaining that the rotation is too complex. People do not want another complicated change for rotations to an already button bloated and complex game. I’m glad they are doing this for tier sets.

[@afox6088]

pretty worried about the prot warrior changes. I understand and agree with their intentions regarding dumping rage for more effective avatar use, but the problem with how they've addressed it is that we're likely going to see a big reduction in avatar uptime which is horrible for our damage. also way harder to generate on demand rage at the start of a pull. speaking as an exclusively M+ tank this whole set of changes seems like has been done exclusively with raid in mind.

[@nosferhatu]

the spec will dead and prot warr will be the worst tank in s2 . sad

[@SammyBammy813]

the 11.1 PTR datamine class change for Blood DK I read on WoWHead also stated bDK aura value is buffing 165 - do you see that being significant benefit for bDK? Unfortunately does not look like any physical DR benefit but damage/healing & DS buff could help, if value buff is significant

[@Tactyks]

Will have to wait and see until PTR servers are actually up and I get to play all the specs with the changes. Definitely gonna make a video reviewing the 6 tank specs in January and discuss things more indepth there!

[@SammyBammy813]

@@Tactyks I will (more than normal) be obsessivley and compulsively refreshing your page after the PTR is live...

[@Tactyks]

@@SammyBammy813 Hahaha will try not to keep you waiting too long!

[@mcova14]

I think this new tier set bonus is great BECAUSE they simply cannot keep inventing a new amazing way to play every spec for every class every season on top of the massive spec trees AND hero talents its just not realistic. This seasons tier bonus for every class was the most underwhelming the game has ever seen. Which at this point i think it would be much more interesting if they focus more on unique pieces of gear or like have items with tertiary stats on them. The randomness of tertiary stats is really annoying too. But they really bit off more than they can chew with hero talents why would they add 11 more talents when they are always struggling to balance the existing 100 talents

[@ic3t3ap3ach]

i with they would add similar achievments for +4 +8 and this +12. i read this achievment differently. for me below 12 means from 12 to 11. otherwise that would make no sense for "key pushers" which is this achievment for. adn the druid class tree changes are SICK!. they could have added convoke to the class tree because resto ist the only one considering this talent in spec tree atm. we still have usless talents but its much much better now. Next remove those 3 beserk talents an put it into incarn. no one plays only beserk :D.

[@Tactyks]

Yeah pretty happy with the druid rework overall, definitely wish they moved convoke to where soothe is but I'll take it hahaha. Surely Guardian gets a spec tree rework soon....

[@samsorge27]

Since my mates have stopped playing relatively early this season I find it pretty hard to pug my way up to getting +10 done in all dingeons. 4/8 so far. Last week I didnt time a 10 so I got a 9 key. Noone plays +9 because there is no incentive, so I lowered tit to 8. Then my internet went out for a couple of minutes (thanks telecom) early into that key and when I got back my group was disbanding. Now I have a +7, which I don't need or want to play. Key depletion is not a fun mechanic for me at all. Just let me lower it if I want to or at least stop it from going lower at specific levels 7 down to 4, 10 down to 8 and so on, in conjunction with the level of crests that drop there.

[@MasonC2K]

The key depleting shouldn't have the high of a gate. Should be a 2500 reward.

[@misaelvergara]

I agree lol major disappointment I never reached anything beyond 2400

[@Tactyks]

Yeah it definitely feels a bit high initially, almost seems like they're making it a reward once you "graduate" out of needing those key levels for score, though at least its account wide so the current iteration helps alts.

[@bearhorn1755]

Hot take: I think keys shouldn’t deplete at all. Not timing a key should result in less loot and no key upgrade. As of right now it’s a double-whammy with key depletion as well. I think making it not deplete at all would help “smooth” out the toxic ass parts of the M+ community

[@PoliticalyOK]

@@bearhorn1755less loot? How do you get less than zero loot from m+?

[@MasonC2K]

@bearhorn1755 honestly I feel the same. But at least this is a start.

[@thundercracker3547]

Thanks for the rundown brother 👍🏻🇺🇸🇮🇱

[@Tactyks]

Of course!

[@fury104]

People have requested the elimination of key depletion and they do it if you get a. 2850 rating. I’m a casual and likely will never see that rating. I likely won’t see a 12 key. This is another slap in the face for the casual Paying player cause the same toxic bs will continue if I’m running a 8 or 5 and the narrator is off base making it seem like it’s massive!! It’s not unless you’re an elite!!

[@Loki19810310]

as a tank, i dont really feel any hype about 11.1. The tier bonuses look lazy and no excitement about them at all (Guardian). Its like they dont want us to tank at all.

[@snakebyteOne]

Blizz's obsession with class balancing just leads to meh tier set bonuses like this. Unless they're saving fun bonuses for future patches that don't have much content

[@MasonC2K]

Only the neckbeards are getting AOTC or KSM before their 4 set. So a catalyst charge is more usable for most people.

[@RegiDD]

or unlucky fuckers like me

[@Tactyks]

Yeah especially if it does actually let you get a catalyst charge for EACH achievement, would be a very nice improvement.

[@Thorkou]

dinars at 17-19 is to late to matter also it only being for the raid and raid loot >_>. nothing for M+ in terms of targeting gear with dinars missed again blizzard. the depletion being only for 12 and below is pointless if you need to basically hit 3000 most 1%er players wont care about this and the average player base wont even get to 2850 for it to matter plus if there already doing the 14's and 15 why go bother going lower? also next seasons tiers are just poorly designed. another massive miss by blizzard. 2/10 patch notes.

[@murrloc1859]

Tanks seem very disappointing, I skipped S1 , I was looking forward for this season but I guess maybe s3

[@deseanroot75]

Imagine still playing Brewmaster. Couldnt be me (its me)

[@Tactyks]

Praying for you in these trying times

[@Pawheal]

Your wrong and putting out bad information. Once 2850 your key cannot deplete lower than a 12, read it again and think about it. Your thumbnail is wrong, you are mostly a good creator but this is everything that is wrong with this community.

[@corbynaltman1020]

98% of thumbnails on KZbin are technically wrong. Just read the wowhead article if you think his info is wrong

[@Tactyks]

Wouldn't not depleting lower than a 12 also mean that keys below 12 don't deplete since they're already lower than a 12? I could definitely be misunderstanding here since the text isn't exactly clear, but I'm seeing a lot of people interpret it in the same way I am.

[@Tr0ng0089]

Lol you feeling OK buddy? Putting out passive aggressive comments like this without actually explaining your point of view like an adult is what's wrong with this community. Check yourself bud.