The Return of the Smiley Face Killers

[@pandoxvideos]

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[@joelbostic8323]

amytriptelerne is definitely used recreationally. Its mild upper mood effect is amplified by alcohol but changes th effect to that of something valium-like and relaxing,,,im a weed head and havent tried it but my friends who have say th' warning on th medicine to not use with alcohol is jokinly referred to as a "serving suggestion" among them..

[@incubustimelord5947]

Shrouded Hand has a video called Serial Killers That (Probably) Don't Exist and he mentions the Smiley Face Killers. He also mentions the Manchester Pusher who is a similar alleged serial killer. Do you think that the Manchester Pusher is connected to the Smiley Face Killers theory? You should check out that Shrouded Hand video.

[@joshuapatrick682]

I love all the youtubers who used to shill Honey and those receipt scanner apps for “rewards” now shilling a service to get your info out of the hands of those you agreed to give it to

[@outof_sarahtonin]

Chicago had/has this issue, they completely ignore it and hide it. Last summer, we had so many bodies found in one week in the water. Then, exactly a year ago, they found one in the water literally in my alley. I used the citizen app while I lived there and it said it was less than 400ft away. Scary to think I used to sit on the rocks where this man was found. I had to leave fast. My heart goes out to the victims

[@Nathan_Coley]

Glad you got out!

[@pandoxvideos]

Stay safe.

[@outof_sarahtonin]

Honestly me too, unfortunately not to a place THAT much better but sort of. Moved near Austin 😓 crazy that they never mention these murders on the news either 🤔🤨

[@Nathan_Coley]

@@outof_sarahtonin Definitely smells like some sort of coverup.

[@outof_sarahtonin]

@@Nathan_Coleymost definitely is. They’re trying not to draw attention to it. It’s not a coincidence that about 7 people were found in the lake/river there in one week. Highly doubt it’s an accident

[@katmack4215]

One of the most unusual details that is present in many of these cases,is that..there is a huge discrepancy between the time these guys go missing,and how long they have been deceased 🤔 for example,they might be missing for 3 weeks,but seemingly only dead for 2 to 3 days.

[@jjoohhhnn]

I could imagine a crime ring interrogating their rivals. If someone from your crew disappeared and was found much later under suspicion circumstances and the cops covered it up, i'd let those guys do what they want. Cause that's terrifying, legit functioning like special ops teams taking over territory. Recon, seek, alliances, destroy.

[@MichaelMike-mu3fw]

They are holding them for a few weeks and doing weird things to them till they eventually kill them.there are definitely many different serial killers running around

[@ma5142]

Yeah and the fact they still have alcohol in their system from the time they went missing and found weeks later.

[@samjcam]

This! I've seen so many theories debunking these cases (the graffiti can be coincidental, being drunk and falling, etc.), but no one can explain the lack of decomp, and also the fact that quite a few are found very close to where they went missing in areas that had already been searched multiple times.

[@aj897]

@@jjoohhhnn I doubt they’re kidnapping “crime rivals”, they’re probably a group or individual who holds them captive while they’re tortured and then killed.

[@gilraybaker826]

The idea of killers who are never seen and never leave a trace is hard to swallow. But it's almost equally absurd to imagine that large numbers of young men get drunk in bars and then immediately rush to some isolated body of water and then, well, just slip.

[@Pushing_Pixels]

Drunk, or drugged. Weird that they don't decompose, if they went into the water just after disappearing. Not all serial killers get identified, let alone caught.

[@aj897]

Away from cameras too so it’s beyond weird.

[@leelubell9080]

The decomposition stuff is weird but I don’t think it’s super weird that they ended up in the water. People like hanging out next to water and alcohol affects balance and judgement

[@brianmeen2158]

It is strange how many of these guys somehow end up in bodies of water .. I’ve been drunk quite a few times and don’t remember anyone just seeking out a body of water .. that says, there isn’t a group of serial killers watching people and doing away with them Lol

[@zachstinnett5475]

I was drugged in 2003 and my friends pulled me out of the arms of 2 dudes trying to take me out of the bar after 2 drinks. I don't remember any of it. I saw the video the next day. This video is eery for me especially.

[@AureliaDaskye]

I live in Austin and am pretty sure my husband was targeted. He was alone at a bar to see a concert. He was there long enough to have one beer and then I arrived. I bought his second beer and then he got very sick. We originally thought that a guy had tried to drug me not knowing the beer was for him, but considering the location and how he fits the demographic we now feel he may have been the target and since I took him home right away they didn't get a chance to do anything to him.

[@aizawaskitten8669]

That's terrifying!

[@dstaff7373]

Respect for having a Husband and Taking Care of Him...

[@kirtknierim3687]

Food poisoning.

[@doesntmatter4477]

U didn't test his blood or urine? What sort of "sick" was he? If he was targeted its unlikely he would just become very sick. Usually they use drugs that make you drowsy and eventually unconscious, not sick.

[@Mr.InbetweenFX]

I wouldn't doubt if that was true. It's a very real thing happening.

[@hgrimes9824]

When the police tell you a bunch of similar murders are not connected or that there is no specific threat to the public. You should probably keep your head on a swivel.

[@friendformationbot]

but the people who think it's all connected are also the police. police are morons, full stop.

[@notthefbi7015]

I mean while O definitely think a lot of these cases are murders and some may be part of a serial killers actions I doubt they are all connected. Especially through the idea that a smiley face was graffitied nearby as some calling card

[@NashvilleSarahKate]

You should look up Pat Brown that worked for the F B I she says nothing to see here! Give me a break! Makes me believe this even more when the G tells you not to look at something!

[@WilliamHolden-t5g]

Agree with you. I read what Pat Brown said too. Absolutely does not make sense that she is denying the evidence in these cases not linked to one another and no serial killer(s) involved. What??

[@wertyklom]

I met the mother of a guy who was found in the Chicago river. He had went to a concert at the salt shed and went missing. My friends and I are convinced there's a serial killer in Chicago.

[@2hot2bstr8official]

there is. i know it because i survived it.

[@DaileyShorts]

​@@2hot2bstr8officialI'm listening...

[@phatphil7836]

@@2hot2bstr8official Yeah bro, don't leave us hanging.

[@LateNightRewrites]

​@phatphil7836 can confirm, I was the perpetrator. Theni got bored and couldn't be bothered to finish the job. In my defense, Skyrim had just come out and I really wanted to be the head of the dark brotherhood

[@BerserkGorilla]

vro really came in and lied about almost being a victim and dipped

[@benallmon5613]

I worked with one of the guys found in the water. He was from overseas and his coworkers thought he had a ride. Such a tragedy.

[@kathyreardon4222]

Who was this? My stepson Noah Enos Chicago. We need answers. 6/17/23

[@nox6438]

Was your stepson one of the victims?@@kathyreardon4222

[@benallmon5613]

He worked for Knapp. I can't remember his name but yeah. It was a tragedy.

[@2hot2bstr8official]

@@kathyreardon4222i truly believe i have insight and answers. i lived in chicago for 8 years and left….after i survived human trafficking, kidnapping, intent to homicide, and was a multiple multiple violent crime witness (and in a few of these cases and terms, the only survivor). i truly in my soul believe i have answers and not just input, but proof about this organized satanic dark web ring and i left chicago finally to try to find some hope. i am so glad i randomly stumbled across your post. i have lost 18 friends in 6.5 years in chicago, all horrifically. i SOMEHOW survived. my heart isn’t just with you and feeling for you, i am working my ass off in so much therapy just to get basic life skills back after what i innocently saw, endured, experienced, and witnessed. i have had several friends, including my best friend murdered in chicago. and seamus gray and his mother gave me the strength to begin recovery from what happened to me and to begin justice. there will always be web sleuths and opinions but the only ones that matter are those from the victims’ heart, and those survivors, the few of us that are out here. i promise you, all these boys were targets of sacrificial means, and i feel every bit of your pain. if you ever need or want to talk, you are more than welcome to try and get ahold of me🙋🏼‍♂️🫶🏻 i am literally giving every breath of every day in my body to just be able to get up and get out of bed, let alone, now getting so much therapy and what not so i can get these motherfuckers locked up. trust me. sending so much love. your son mattered. he mattered and all these other boys mattered and no one gives a fuck! i gotchu.❤️❤️❤️

[@whitemountainapache3297]

In Manchester, England, there is the legend of The Pusher. Many many men have drowned in the canals of Manchester city centre over the last ten years. Almost never women, and eight times as many deaths as take place over the same time on any of the UK's other canal systems.

[@jace9985]

counterpoint: men are also far more likely to be at the edge of a canal because they can piss into it, whereas women will either have to find a place to squat or just find a toilet.

[@matthewstone1362]

There was a spate of drownings in the NW. The "Yorkshire dipper".

[@johnkelley2615]

Two friends and I were drugged at a bar, that shit hit hard! My friend Mike that is the biggest of the three of us passed out almost instantly. I was blacking in and out and took off in my car (I know this isn’t good but I was disoriented/scared) Luckily I was able to throw up many many times while driving home. I became lost on the highway I have been going down my whole life. I called my wife and she tried to figure out where I was and guide me home. It took everything I had to stay conscious and get home (15 mile drive). I finally made it home and drove into my yard. Got out of my car, staggered 20ft and fell down. Dry heaved for 8-10 hours next to the toilet after that. Mike was taken to the hospital in an ambulance and Billy rode with. The doctor said I’ve seen alcohol poisoning many times and this isn’t alcohol poisoning. His toxicology report indicated nothing but the doctor said some stuff will not show up in the reports.

[@daniellejamestxrealtor647]

That’s terrifying!! So glad yall are alive

[@phatphil7836]

What's your theory on how you all three got drugged? Did you leave your drinks unattended? Do you think the bartender(s) could've done it or been in on it? At what point(s) were all three of your drinks vulnerable to tampering?

[@johnkelley2615]

@@phatphil7836 the bartender must’ve done it cause we were buzzed but completely fine. Then one shot of fireball later it hit us all and Mike was non responsive almost instantly. Billy must’ve not gotten as big of a dose because he’s the smallest and less alcohol tolerance than Mike and I and he wasn’t as messed up. I was able to puke it up before it knocked me out but it messed me up BAD

[@mariussielcken]

Taking off in your car likely saved your life.

[@Karma4All-]

GHB will not show up unless a test is specifically ran for GHB.

[@mkultraenjoyer]

I have walked the NYC waterfront late at night and have been offered rides by people in SUVs, Im a dude and this has happened multiple times

[@williamcobbett4943]

Tell us more, anon

[@phatphil7836]

What were the race/age/gender demographics of the ride offerers? Was it different people each time or the same ones?

[@superturkeylegs]

Maybe they wanted to get you on Cash Cab?

[@aj897]

In 2019, I was smoking with 2 other male friends in Central Park, by a pond closer to Manhattan. A random guy walks up and asks if we want to go to a “underground party”, we’d have to ride in his car and he wouldn’t give us an address, we obviously said no and he walked up to the next group 50 feet away, I wonder who falls for these traps but I wouldn’t be shocked if many did.

[@BBB-to4cc]

Wild to be in a time when KZbinrs do better investigations than the police departments

[@pjb8295]

Because the police are in on it

[@Pushing_Pixels]

Most cops are lazy, and will come up with whatever excuse or unlikely explanation they need to avoid a serious investigation. Maybe 10% of all cops solve the majority of the crimes that get solved. The retired cops who are still pursuing this are part of that 10%.

[@TigburtJones]

I think they equally do a piss poor job

[@randyphillips6506]

Because they’re probably covering it up for relatives other agents politicians relatives of politicians ect

[@randyphillips6506]

Not saying it’s true but what if shit like pizza gate really was real and that ppl who hold power and money really are some sick fucks it’s just so much doesn’t add up with so many botched investigations and turning a blind eye to obvious clues or straight up shutting down the investigation for literally no reason

[@teaspoonsofpeanutbutter6425]

For those claiming "drunk, fell in. Obvious" i live on an island, surrounded by water, all our pubs and bars are situated right opppsite the pier/slipway/marina, and only 2 people have ever drowned in the pier following a pub visit and only a handful have drowned in the sea following accidents or suicide. A range of people, not a tight demographic of sinilar age, sex, look. These cases are definitely not casual accidents, imo, or it'd be happening everywhere. And definitely on a small island surrounded by water!

[@necessaryevile]

That's the problem see, y'all like us in Florida. We so used to water everywhere. Places not like where we live don't have respect for what water can do, Itll kill ya

[@We_Are_All_Vultures]

Tiny population, what do you expect?

[@teaspoonsofpeanutbutter6425]

@We_Are_All_Vultures tiny population of over 20,000? 2 deaths in 40 years. A middle Ged alcoholic woman and a man with learning difficulties. Not every other 20yo handsome, slim, athletic man. The sea accidents have been diving/boating or suicides.

[@rayofsunshine9771]

Well 2 million people live in Chicago so relatively it's not that many

[@turtleanton6539]

Indeed

[@BuckysKnifeFlip]

The most compelling thing in these cases is that the body hasnt decomposed they way it should have if it was in the water the whole time. Or the body not being there the first time they searched. Makes me think they were dumped much later and were held somewhere else.

[@ej2863]

All on Grindr?

[@2hot2bstr8official]

100%

[@thecoedbutcher52]

Rivers move very fast sometimes. It's impossible to know that nothing has moved in a river. And water is cold especially during the winter but it's also cold during the fall and spring. It's just cold enough to slow decomposition by a few days maybe even weeks. And during winter could be months that go by before a body even starts to unfreeze and decompose. Decomposition isn't a thing that starts and ends at a set time it's variable. Very variable too so many small things could change the rate of decomposition

[@donvee2000]

The whole thing stinks...there is a cover-up the likes of which has never been seen before. How the FBI is ignoring these cases is astonishing and disturbing.

[@kylleepstein6954]

@@thecoedbutcher52all independent medical examiners disagree with you and science isn’t new. They can see how long things will on average decompose in different types of water, different temperatures etc. your idea has been debunked

[@J3nJ3nl0llip0p]

Here in Austin, people are FREAKING OUT! I know lots of people who work in that area, they've started warning people not to go walking around the lake after a night out partying. Lady Bird Lake is right off downtown. I wonder if this is still the group that David Berkowitz said he was part of...

[@RonBeaulieu]

Had a chance to move out there and work for Tesla last year. Declined and stayed in Boston lol. Looks like a cool city though.

[@cygnals524]

@@RonBeaulieu Hi Ron, I live about an hour drive from Boston. I enjoy visiting various areas throughout the Boston area and know the area very well. I have attended dozens of music shows & sporting events over the decades along with visiting most of the other tourist friendly areas, etc... I also had a good friend get married a few years back & he invited me & my entire family, wife, 2 kids to attend his traditional Chinese wedding at an excellent restaurant in China Town. I am fairly sure it was on Beech St but would have to look up the name of the place. It was a fun time & besides my family & I, only two other Caucasian folks were in attendance so it was a really cool thing to be a part of. I can still walk around most parts of Boston after dark and even after midnight & not worry about becoming a victim of a violent crime. I have walked around China Town, Faneuil Hall Market Place, Atlantic Ave, The Boston Commons, Commonwealth Drive, and one of my absolute favorite Streets in Boston is Lansdowne Street!! I have seen many great bands/artists on that street behind the Green Monster. I can't walk around most other major cities with that same safety and freedom. Places like NYC, Baltimore, Detroit along with a few other larger cities in Pennslyvania, Ohio, Illinois, etc... I make sure I am traveling in larger groups & earlier in the day. I feel like I don't even have to worry about that ever in Boston so I can see the appeal in staying there rather than moving to a larger area with more violent crimes.

[@aresjerry]

Austin is packed full of drop outs and homeless, it's no surprise.

[@Greeem]

y'all are delusional. berkowitz was an insane indivdual who could apparently talk to his dog. stop believing what lunatics say.

[@brianmeen2158]

David berkowitz was never a part of any organized satanic cult though. In the son of Sam case there were a few dabblers but no cult

[@colorman4490]

Thank you again for all the hard work making another compelling and extremely well made video. It’s heartbreaking but it’s so important to keep these young men’s deaths and disappearances in the spotlight.

[@pandoxvideos]

Thanks for watching!

[@birdflipper]

I cant wait to show my friend this!! He was so freaked out when i told him about the SFK theory that he still brings it up from time to time.

[@norailves778]

I was listening to this while doing some work. And gradually I became more and more tense, as the list of names seems so unfathomably long. So many people died, it's hard to even comprehend. Damn.

[@spanishbutter8761]

So excited to see this channel grow, in terms of subs, sponsors, and patrons. So hype.

[@pandoxvideos]

Thanks for all your continued support!!! 💜

[@NicholasShade-eq1ts]

I like this channel.💘

[@wickedcapedkid]

I graduated from UT Austin back in 2009. There was one night after drinking I decided to walk home around 1 am (I lived near campus). This was typically safe back then. A man in a car pulled over when I was near home and offered me a ride. I told him no and quickly turned to walk down a back street. He sped off, followed by a van.

[@TryHardNewsletter]

So it was obvious that the van and car were together? If so that is absolutely something that should be looked into behind the scenes by police to confirm some sort of association between the two vehicles. Even in 2009 the school might have had security cameras in the areas nearby the campus

[@noahhcooks]

My friend told me a similar story but he was in middle school. He was walking down a long road on the outskirts of town with a friend one night when a guy pulled up and said they looked really young to be out so late and tried offering them a ride, they said no and kept walking and he started following them going really slow. They ran to hide in some bushes and a few minutes later, two or three more cars showed up and started driving in circles in a nearby parking lot like they were looking for them. Super creepy stuff, happened right by where I live right now. Gives me chills. People are sick, and it seems these days it’s not just an individual but groups of people.

[@DeeManson]

Home from work, fired up Pc, went to KZbin and Pandox just uploaded some content - That's the best way to start the weekend! Have a good one, Pandox and thx for all your uploads! Much love ♥

[@pandoxvideos]

Thanks for the encouraging words! Enjoy the weekend and stay safe.

[@Mr.InbetweenFX]

I remember when that guy on TikTok bright this up, connecting these dots. He also tried to market his start up app along side the drama of this situation, which rightfully got him cancelled. I just remember before that though, people called him crazy and told him to stop doing this research because it was disrespectful to his surviving family.

[@thefoodcan]

That was way different from whats being talked about here. That guy was actually just doing scummy stuff to push a product and get views.

[@BuckysKnifeFlip]

I hated that he did that! He had so much info organized into a useful form. It felt like he was onto something, though. Even if it was coincidences, it was so weird seeing that all those dudes went missing in the same area along with the reports of people asking if they needed rides.

[@Mr.InbetweenFX]

@@thefoodcan it's quite literally the same thing. I mean I know that dude was scummy as fuck, but there's no denying that this is the exact same subject matter that one TikTok weirdo was prying into. The only difference is this Creator isn't trying to tie himself into it by solving the mystery with some unknown Private Investigator and a (obviously fake) 👁️‍🗨️secret society👁️‍🗨️ 😂

[@Mr.InbetweenFX]

@@thefoodcan I ultimately agree this IS different, but it's still the exact same theory.

[@brokenfoxproductions]

While I do acknowledge that there seems to be a trend with a lot of the deaths that people attribute to the smiley face killers, I have a really hard time believing that there is a widespread group of people who are doing this in an organized manner. Large groups and networks of people require methods of communication that often leave traces and footprints in some way, shape or form. Even if police weren't able to uncover the entirety of the operation, it wouldn't make sense to assume that nobody in this entire supposedly huge operation hasn't gotten caught doing something illegal yet and hasn't had their devices searched. Law enforcement knows about pretty much every gang or organized crime group or cult in America at this point because of the freedom of information act and the other NSA bullshit that was rolled out after 9/11, so I don't think it would be possible for a group to be specifically targeting people on a mass scale and having specific signs and rules and things like that without them having left some type of Trace somewhere over the entire time that this has supposedly been going on. I do believe that there may be a serial killer or a couple or small group of less than five people who may have originally been doing the smiley face murders, and now they have copycats across the country. It makes more sense to me that this would be either copycats or just a single person or a single small group of two to three people rather than a huge organize syndicate. Though I really do think that some of these things are just misattributed or copycats

[@BBB-to4cc]

I agree with you. But when you think about it, what’s the difference between a smiley face killer and someone who is copying it? They’re all smiley face killers. The main issue is that these are considered drownings and not investigated, whether they’re the official smiley face killers or not. I feel like if it was all women honestly that wouldn’t happen. I feel like since it’s grown men with alcohol in their system, they don’t care. They deserve justice. Also I think a couple of them maybe did accidentally drown like the one who had a homeless witness, but definitely no way all of them did

[@aresjerry]

Black street gangs? You act like there has to be a sophisticated conspiracy, when it only takes 3 men to start a larceny gang.

[@kathyreardon4222]

Maybe copycats. The real issue is that police in several states aren’t equipped to investigate. Yep, he was in the water, they say.. How did he get there, they don’t know. They don’t know because they didn’t take the time to find out!

[@jessl1934]

I agree with you and the first thing that came to mind was that the best explanation isn't that it's a network but rather that it's copycat killers. Another, somewhat less plausible explanation (although more plausible than a coordinated network doing this imo), is that it's less of a network and more of a franchise. It isn't hard to imagine that the smiley face killings aren't conducted by an individual but by two or more people, especially given that there's strong indications of abduction and some indications of torture. There are people who share a taste for these acts. Accomplices could have learned the techniques of the original killer, or the techniques could have been developed in collaboration, before the accomplices moved to different areas to carry on with the killings elsewhere which would give the impression of a network existing when it's just the replication of strategy and methods.

[@kenosabi]

Organized crime and cults are a very real thing. We live in an era where organizing can be done quietly and discretly in various corners of the internet. Not remotely unfathomable.

[@celestenova777]

Great video..we have similar unexplained strange cases in UK, mainly in the Manchester canal area, known as the Manchester pusher. Thanks for all your work, always so well done.

[@pandoxvideos]

Thanks for watching Celeste!

[@koromahatrepia4922]

Could we please have a part 2 mbro. 💯 love the solid narrative context & content! 👍😝✌️

[@NucleaRaptor]

The Manchester Pusher is some spooky shit. Bedtime Stories did a great recap on him a few years back.

[@celestenova777]

@NucleaRaptor yes I saw that from Bedtime stories. There's a few documentaries on here about it..apparently over 80 bodies have been found drowned. The most mysterious case imo was the David Plunkett one, so creepy and inexplicable. Don't know if this kind of thing is still happening, so awful and terrifying.

[@andrewkaye2108]

Ive heard of the Pusher.

[@themirrorsofmymind]

I had lived my entire life in Chicago (41 years at that point), until 2013 when I moved to Arlington Heights (for 3 years) and I'd never heard of 3 or 4 young white guys. all college students, going out to drink with friends, getting separated from their friends, and ending up drowning in Lake Michigan! About the 3rd or 4th time it happened, I thought, *_"Again????"_* I don't think I thought it was a serial killer but it did seem too odd to be coincidental.

[@Spooky_515]

black on white crime would explain why it isn’t reported on

[@mazthebear]

How does the saying go? When something is to coincidental then there is something amok

[@natashka1982]

There are thousands of homicides. Only a small percentage makes it to the media

[@wheelmeouttahereincarnations]

Minnesota and Wisconsin see the same trend. Chris Jenkins COD was fought hard, and after the case was actually thoroughly investigated and the family had to hire their own experts, did the cod change from drowning.

[@ZarpSterr]

Here's the creepy part....these Murder groups are all over the world now. It's downplayed by the mass media. It's downplayed by the Cops. Nver any Camera footage. WHY ? Simple....these victims are used up, by a Network that has the power over the flow of Information. So look UP, in the Power Pyramid.....that's where they are.

[@86TheMedia]

Dude ends up 40 miles away from his hotel after being seen throwing up. Come on, he was taken by people and killed.. obviously

[@xtc300mg]

Nah he just walked at a brisk pace

[@kingcharlesparody]

@@xtc300mg🤡🤣

[@seshjuan42069]

the whole 'Lore' or 'folk-lore' of the Smiley Face Killers makes me wonder, just how many people were found dead near a graffiti of a universal S. And I wonder if the Universal S Killers wouldever pick up steam in the tabloids

[@Caffeinated_Acrobat]

How about the "420 blaze it bro" killers 🤣

[@oceanoflotion8630]

Just gonna say, I'm a millennial and the universal S is on the family coat of arms I designed.

[@oceanoflotion8630]

​@thomashunt6000 the crudely drawn penis killers

[@everlastinglife5978]

People care to much about the name.

[@xtc300mg]

@@oceanoflotion8630dope

[@thoreauvian.2699]

I live in one of these downtown areas. Honestly, many younger guys downtown have been getting drugged in bars and then followed and robbed when they pass out. Reddit is full of these anecdotes lately, and it just makes sense that many of these deaths are the result of drugged mugging targets unfortunately falling in the water

[@gangstalker5461]

Reddit stories are not evidence

[@MegaSimmaster]

Yeah, this is why I don't take Smily Face Killer theories seriously. The idea that an organized syndicate of serial killers is targeting young men in bars without leaving any evidence is insane. Add in the incredibly dumb assumption that these killers are marking their sites with smiley face graffiti (one of the most common symbols to make in the world) makes the entire community laughable. If people want this theory to be taken seriously, ditch the Smiley Face angle and the whole organized element. Then we can get to actual cases where drownings are suspicious rather than obvious accidents.

[@sabrinatscha2554]

That makes way more sense than some organized group/serial killer on the loose. Kind of like the thing with all the hikers disappearing from NorCal wilderness, which is currently so flush with cartel grow-ops, that the rivers are turning blue from all the fertilizer runoff. They just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, and saw something that wasn’t meant for their eyes…. and then we've got David Paulides, talking about yetis and aliens. SMDH.

[@rogerramjet6429]

​@@MegaSimmasterhow about you wake up and get over yourself? Your pathetic theory shows how you dismiss details just to have another BS theory. Gaming millennials and Gen Z have the same lack of intelligence and loose grip on reality. Ignoring details doesn't make your theory true. It effectively makes you a liar that cherry picks information.

[@theredknight9314]

@@MegaSimmasteri disagree. If anything it vindicates it. If elite leaders could have a hidden child trafficking ring for decades, then anons on the internet could most certainly have a shadow murder campaign that still remains hidden

[@joeblow1935]

No one usually tends to say if the men were tested for sexual assault because I'm sure rarely men are taken for sex trafficking but are only useful for a short time.

[@rip_conf6186]

It's a crime that you only have 72,000 subscribers. These videos are of incredible quality, and don't have the corporate content farm feel that most true crime videos have. You get straight to the facts, don't extrapolate, and give multiple accounts/perspectives. I subscribe, hopefully you get a million subscribers soon, 72k for a channel like this is crazy.

[@Necron990]

Never mind the smiley faces, it's the decomposition irregularities that bear looking into. Where were they held? Who held them? Why?

[@jen4551]

Yeah i agree, its crazy chicago police overlooked that and said there wasnt enough evidence to support the theory of a killer.

[@dalerimoller272]

@Necron990 Agreed. Maybe I missed this, I was busy while listening, but I didn’t hear him say anything about the fly eggs and maggots in the first man’s genitalia. I’ve heard of this victim’s story before, and that was always haunting to me. They were house flies, not a fly you would find out on the water where his body was discovered. So that, along with the other information proves that he was murdered. But also, that he had been kept alive and tortured before his body was disposed of and discovered. I personally don’t believe that all of the victims of this supposed serial killer actually met foul play. Some of them were just accidental drownings. They shouldn’t be included. But this first man certainly was targeted, taken, tortured and murdered by someone, if not more than one person. Terrifying to try to guess what he went through! That poor man. I hope one day they find his killer(s) and he gets some justice.

[@2hot2bstr8official]

exactly!!!

[@turtleanton6539]

Indeed

[@PoeLemic]

Well-researched and very insightful content. Thanks for creating and sharing with us.

[@pandoxvideos]

Thank you for the kind words!

[@migoreng7789]

the things about the smiley face theory thay always made me :/ is the detectives underestimate how easy it is to drown... even when you're sober. intoxicaton, even "two beers" affects your body in many ways, like you don't react as fast. recently in polish city Międzyzdroje two drunk dudes tresspassed, went to a beach and almost drowned in knee deep water. one of them fell down while walking in the water, the second guy tried to help him, they struggled so much to get out of the water... the only reason they were saved is that beach had cctv. security saw them and sent help. there are soooo many myths regarding drowning, like people don't really make a sound, they can get hit by debris or pulled by a current. the more you panic and struggle the more water gets into your lungs and your chances for survival plummet. i believe that everyone should be taught how to spot a drowning person and also know how to prevent it whole swimming. hell even a leg cramp can be very dangerous. water is not your friend. in my hometown there's a large river with strong current. it pulls you in immediately, it's so bad there's a centuries old lore on drowned people, stories created just to scare people off and i guess prevent deaths.

[@farrisovich]

Grew up near a river and remember being told as a kid that there were holes in the riverbed and we would fall in them if we tried walking out into the water. Pretty common to have tales like that to scare kids from getting into dangerous waters.

[@Hemingway5000]

My mom and me almost got pulled away by the current in a creek in Texas but a local man saved us he swam in and pulled us out.

[@curbyourshi1056]

Nah, these 6ft+ Men are getting GBL (has an alcohol taste, 1ml = 1g of salty GHB) put into their drinks and are 100% being taken advantage of. This killer has a definite type.

[@theamazingcowlet]

You skimmed over the fact that victims were drugged and their time of death did not match the body decomposition by water

[@eklipse19241]

If what ur saying is true then there would be drowning numbers all over the world... When ur dying u fight harder then just oh whatever drown die

[@Rebecca-fg7pp]

For those interested, the book called, "The case of the Drowning Men", is an interesting read about these cases.

[@maliceoftarth9473]

I hope the reviewer also called the police and didn't just leave that information in a review and call it a day. Ive seen what those drugs can do to people first hand. If a sober friend had not been there to get the drugged friend home idk what terrible things could have happened (either by accident or malice)

[@HoustonHardHitters01]

This is very well put together and this story is so wide open with so many moving parts that a 3 hour David Fincher film would have to explain it.

[@Obzen88UK]

Only found you today, your videos are so well made. Keep up the good work 🎉

[@backroomsguideno.87]

I don't think it's an organized group, I just think it's different people doing their own killings, this whole smiley face stuff is the perfect cover for them and taking the focus off them

[@chrislong8559]

You would think though that easily a copycat would take over and make it his calling card. There's always copycats whether a person or group

[@Tampafan33]

I love how youre trying to discredit detectives that have worked cases for over 30 years😂😂😂😂 go back to your basement kid

[@insmileyfacemur4242]

​@@Tampafan33shut the hell up and nobody cares if they work for 30 years

[@zackzittel7683]

It wouldn’t take suspicion off someone that had any evidence against them though….. it might make them look harder because it brings extra levels of scrutiny due to the notoriety surrounding the cases.

[@ZarpSterr]

I believe the retired detectives are part of it, sent in, to run interference and collect info from witnesses(if there are any.).....think about it. It's the perfect cover, to pretend you are caring, etc....and to keep the insiders' informed about any developments that may threaten their deadly game. Side-note: these detectives have not solved ONE case since they've started. Not one.....now put THAT in your pipe and smoke it.

[@benmcreynolds8581]

Im really glad i found your channel. You do great analysis that allowing people to see situations from a better perspective than anything the media puts out. I really hope you continue to cover different puzzles that have occurred around the world. There just isn't enough quality content like yours that approaches these things in the way that you do. I like that you leave it open for interpretation and mostly just point out that there has been suspicious deaths occuring and that alone is worth considering being looked at. Instead of people only brushing things off like it's not worth even considering anything?

[@pandoxvideos]

Thank you for the incredibly kind words.

[@Spinnling]

Incredible video man, good job!

[@pandoxvideos]

Thank you!

[@jetcaspian2882]

The fact that a few of them/their belongings have been found in places that were alr recently searched by authorities/the public kinda proves theres something criminal going on here, no?

[@mom4life513]

Yay another video. I've been waiting for you to post. Hope you get a 1 million subscribers. Your effort in ur videos will pay off. Your doing great! Keep up the good work

[@alexartiststudios7981]

These are absolutely serial killings whether by individual or group & it shows severe incompetence on part of authorities how they have not or cannot connect those dots or even come up with a solution....

[@Oneiriel]

I love your content, man.

[@pandoxvideos]

Thanks for watching!

[@asdhflajsdlfj962]

I live literally 5 minutes from the Fox River where a 20-some year old gentleman, disappeared from the nearby strip of bars and was found a few days later. Even worse, he was last seen literally in front of where I live. That’s always creepy to hear :|

[@MadMax-de5uh]

It’s you hahah

[@patrickglaser1560]

​@@MadMax-de5uhzee always confess on themselves

[@johnscanlon2598]

Fished the fox river in downtown Green Bay , was great fishing I caught about 6 different species of fish in a few hours

[@gregbarnes1580]

There are some wonderful people in that area, but there are also a lot of weirdos

[@Tully_23_32]

I think that with the investigators actually publicly naming it the Smiley Face Killer/s brought people out drawing smiley faces everywhere. If the nickname given wasn't made public then maybe better investigating could've happened. This just wasn't an American issue as i know a lot of men hàve been found floating in canals around the UK. Whether all these men just fell into the water & drowned is a bit weird but it also could be exactly that. Whether there's a killer/s hunting & killing them to look like a drowning is very possible as well, they're interesting cases tho

[@rubenmartirosov5142]

The second case. Your friend is so messed up that he is vomiting and stumbling after you drop him off at the hotel and you do not put him in his room??? What kind of friends are these? Guys - take care of your friends please!

[@thebleach_connoisseur2574]

Made the mistake of watching this during the day. Your videos hit better when my bedroom is pitch black and silent in the middle of the night. Especially since I live in that chicago area. Me and my friends used to get pretty messed up on the piers and fool around out there. It was at the same time those murders were going on and I had no idea...

[@TheSqueezycook]

Research LaCrosse WI and the drowning of 10 men in the Mississippi River between 1997-2010. All were 21-30, some college student atheletes, others visiting friends or family. Some of the drownings are a day apart…some match anniversaries of prior years. The community has been unsettled by these deaths for years.

[@Krazy-x2f]

There is plenty of drownings in the Mississippi River in Minnesota also involving people within the same age group

[@SaturdayAdventures]

Look into the high-profile Mirage deaths in Brooklyn this past summer. Two different 27-year-old men found drowned in Newton Creek after leaving the Mirage Club.

[@josethepenguin]

Yup, a spot I frequent. There have been several deaths there

[@SaturdayAdventures]

@@josethepenguin Same, I walk around there all the time. Creepy to think there are likely folks waiting to nab unsuspecting intoxicated individuals leaving places like that. Makes me wary to be there in the daytime!

[@josethepenguin]

@@SaturdayAdventures Yeah Mirage was a spot I went to alot but after several cases of people getting assualted and now these dissaperances I dont know if I can stomach going there until they address the issue

[@jonathanfeldheim6554]

what you can't ignore is these victims go missing for days or weeks but then are found when they're only dead for hours or days, are they all just walking around aimlessly that whole time until they decide to drown? ofc not. obviously foul play, before they scrubbed KZbin there were even more explicitly damning videos showing this is no joke

[@Jaeger2086]

Do you know the name of the videos?

[@cleetusmclinn6100]

It really amazes me that you don't have more views/subs! Your quality and storytelling always impresses me. Keep doing you Pandox!

[@pandoxvideos]

Thank you! 💜

[@allan9603]

​​@@pandoxvideos, I suggest participating in these Comments will bring in more members. Are you the narrator as well?

[@Jasontyo]

I was in the same graduating class in high school as Adam Falcon. Glad to see his case not ignored.if I remember correctly he was quite the athlete and the details of his death didn’t make a lot of sense.

[@MonocleBunny]

Rainy street? Ladybird lake? The killer must be a fan of King of the Hill. Maybe the elusive Rusty Shackleford.

[@kenosabi]

They'll keep ignoring it because to not is to admit massive incompetence over the span of decades for everyone from local PD - to the FBI that simply couldn't be bothered. It's so regular I can predict them. That's not exactly random.

[@katyburns9758]

Fantastic channel, the subjects, the aesthetic and the research is just 👌

[@pandoxvideos]

Thank you!

[@Noot-Noot.]

Growing up near Chicago, I can say it's an uncomfortable joke that you'll end up in the river if you're not careful with just how many get found around Chicago, Rockford and the surrounding small areas. I grew up in Loves Park, under Rockford, and the amount of bodies pulled out of the Rock River was staggering, but unsuprising when you've grown up around it. Like, unsuprising to the point where you get used to making jokes about how there are probably more, unfound in the river, or how you or your friends will end up in the river if you're not careful.

[@oceanoflotion8630]

I grew up in La Crosse Wisconsin. It was a given even when I was a kid if a college aged male went missing, he'd be in the river. There was talk of citizen watch groups forming to be in the river parks between the bars and the water to re direct anyone.

[@tyler056]

⁠@@oceanoflotion8630between that and falling off the bluffs it's a bit crazy! Eau Claire had the river problem too co

[@Sigh328]

I grew up in Saint Paul Mn right on the banks of the Mississippi and an ongoing joke similar to other commenters is if someone goes missing they end up in the river. I think it has less to do with a group of killers and more to do with beautiful scenery and intoxicated people doing intoxicated things.

[@Noot-Noot.]

@@Sigh328 For Rockford it's 100% the amount of people killing each other. They will dump bodies in the river to get rid of them, and the cops don't really look super well in the river. The water is so murky you can't see if there is anything in it from the surface, you'd have to go diving. I recently learned that I swam in a lake that had dead bodies in it. Olson Lake, we had no idea at the time, I had forgotten (I have bad memory), me and my siblings actually got sick after because of the bacteria from the bodies. Rockford is also just a dangerous city to live in because of all the gun violence.

[@donsarde]

99⁹9⁹⁹££&&

[@ripleyevil9135]

Thank you for the update on these cases. William Ramsey has researched The Smiley Face Killer also; with two videos on Vimeo. He has news footage, interviews of loved ones searching and camera footage of the areas where the men were last seen. One guy drunkenly ran from his attackers to have slipped into a sewer - saved him. Because it was a major ordeal to rescue him, he was actually issued a ticket because they had to ruin city property to do so. Very informative research from North America, Canada and Europe if anyone is interested.

[@donsarde]

This was/ is also happening in the UK , i remember the Manchester canal pusher and all the other young well educated men that went out for a drink and vanished, found either deadvin water or missing. Horrible and very frightening too. May they all rest in peace, poor lads, they did not deserve being killed. 😢😢

[@Yuttle]

Love the channel. Look forward to new videos.

[@pandoxvideos]

Thanks for being here.

[@charlessalvia7176]

I mean - a lot of this COULD be coincidence, even if lots of them are not accidental drownings. Many of these incidents could be actual murders - but unrelated murders. Lots of people in big cities get murdered, and the obvious way to get rid of a body would be to dump it in the river. Chicago and NYC have plenty of rivers, and criminals have been dumping bodies in these rivers for so long, it's become a cliche. (In NY the phrase "end up in the East River" is basically a euphemism for "getting murdered"). And we'd need to know how common the "smiley face" graffiti pattern is in general, before we can say that it's particularly unlikely to find one within the vicinity of a crime scene. (The one that was purposely place on a grave stone of a victim could be a hoax from someone who read about this phenomenon.) But I have to admit, the repeating pattern of teenage/20-something young white educated males (a demographic that is very unlikely to be murdered) does admittedly seem like something more organized or coordinated may be happening. It's very difficult to say.

[@kathyreardon4222]

My stepson Noah Enos Chicago went missing 6/12/23 his body found in the Chicago river 6/17/23. We talk to Kevin Gannon often. We still have no answers.

[@jjoohhhnn]

Sorry for your loss. Hopefully the feds clamp down on this ring. Did he ride a motorcycle, or have friends who did?

[@chibble3591]

love these longer videos. Well done.

[@waynekeebler6755]

I wonder if the reluctance of the FBI and/or local police to do a deep investigation is the fact that the crimes are being committed by law enforcement members or people close to them. Law enforcement seems to be going way out of their way not to investigate these murders.

[@reginamiller5925]

I have believed the same for years.

[@jjoohhhnn]

That is the case, and it's a group not individuals

[@daniellejamestxrealtor647]

You think LE or ppl close to them are committing THIS many murders with almost the exact MO?? I highly doubt that. There are potentially a few or more hundreds of unsolved cases that are also very similar to these in the US. I mean, sure maybe some here and there fit your theory, but majority? I personally doubt it, however, ya never really know 😅

[@albertobeltran2361]

Likely organized crime were police or feds are involved. Maybe a Gladio like operation (startegy of tension). Or some weird porn/snuff/human trafficking group judging by the tortured bodies.

[@autr3553]

let’s go, was just wondering when you’d upload again

[@laramayone]

Amazing as usual! May I ask, do you have any information available on the number of drownings that had occured in the past few years in Chicago and Austin, just wanted to know how much of a sudden uptick these past 2 years have been, or whether it's only a small increase

[@pandoxvideos]

What I found in the research was that these numbers are within trend

[@laramayone]

@@pandoxvideos Interesting to know! Thanks for the quick response too :)

[@willsi]

The recent murders in NYC that carry the almost exact MO of the Smiley Face Killer are quite disturbing as well. Might be worth a follow up. Great video as ever.

[@tylercohle2780]

It's possible... a group or possibly multiple groups killing for 20 years.. if multiple people meet up & kill.. there's a reason they know each other, killing would be part of that.. this amount of organization might bleed out into other aspects of the group.. seems like you could work backwards..

[@sarahsouder6316]

Amazing! Think it’s one of my favorites so far!

[@darcyrosewilson]

They need more cameras around the waters! I wonder if it's someone who is at the same bar and watching them 🤷

[@2hot2bstr8official]

it is.

[@richterkennedy2101]

I would closely examine the bartenders in each of these cases.

[@2hot2bstr8official]

yep!!!

[@SavingSoulsMinistries]

ive never seen any footage of any of these cases from inside the bar. same with riley strain

[@AWareWolf9]

I’ll say this- I love good times. I have been out at bars, sometimes bars in Austin, so hammered drunk that I didn’t know where I was or who I was, more times than I care to admit. I’ve been totally blacked out many of those times. And I have NEVER ended up anywhere near a lake or body or water… certainly haven’t turned up dead. I highly question anyone who says these are accidents. That just doesn’t track with logic at all, based on personal experience.

[@oceanoflotion8630]

The way society ignores sex workers and addicts who go missing and are found deceased makes me wonder if because these are young men, nobody could or would harm them.

[@everlastinglife5978]

Society is definitely ignoring arguing this because of who the victims are.

[@filler7149]

Charles Manson, goldenstate killer, Jeffery dahmer, john Wayne gacy, dean Corill etc. Serial killers target who they want when they want. Sometimes they're smart enough to go for people who wont be noticed or have a type that gets them lucky but the vast majority do not care what society thinks (otherwise they wouldnt be serial killers)

[@Pushing_Pixels]

If a killer was trying to prove a point (to other killers) about how exceptional they are, because they don't go for "easy" victims, this would be the demographic they would target.

[@Bonesyard-h6o]

I am convinced they operated in Bristol (UK) a couple of years ago. Everything matches, we get quite a few around the UK that all match and are classed as accidents or are unsolved

[@kateunder2399]

thrilled when you post

[@willmistretta]

The main reason this line of thinking is useless is that it's completely unfalsifiable. Low-effort graffiti like that is *everywhere.* Every drowning victim discovered is going to be a non-vast distance from a painted smiley. Since what counts as "close," "nearby," or "in the vicinity" is completely subjective, what can we then conclude? That every drowned person is not only a victim of homicide, but the victim of the same individual/gang as well? Even if some of these people did meet with foul play (which is entirely possible), this line of so-called "investigation" leads nowhere.

[@pandoxvideos]

Yes, this is a common point from skeptics and mentioned in the video. As well as sample bias for the selected victims

[@DillyBar_666]

Lol I always wondered how many bodies are found that AREN’T within a mile of a graffiti smiley face.

[@catmcflooffloof4832]

I definitely can't deny that many of these were suspicious And while it is intriguing, yet scary, to think that this is the work of a grouo I don't exactly believe it too much, as smiley faces are a common thing

[@willfade7994]

The Riley Strain case got me thinking about the Smiley Face Killers “theory”. From all we know so far, he fits the profile and the circumstances are the same/similar to the many other cases… The problem with a lot of the cases is they were never investigated as homicides… Notice how most all of the cases are of college-aged white men which, to me, indicates hate crimes. I have no doubt that the killers are very much still active but may not be leaving their trademark smiley face near the location of the bodies. These stories are very chilling. My heart goes out to the families of all the victims and to all who have lost someone under these types of mysterious circumstances. I hope they all get answers and some closure. Thank you for all the hard work you put into this video.

[@woeandbetide5566]

This has been happening for some time in Manchester uk ,where young people have been found dead in canals

[@maxmontauk7281]

Another great video - thank you!

[@grapeshot]

I remember when I was in the Army stationed in Texas we would sometimes go to 6th Street in downtown Austin.

[@krizzle1986]

I cant stop watching this video! Your channel is top drawer!!!

[@pandoxvideos]

Thank you!

[@SilverHairedEnby]

Great video, though I am skeptical of the theory- you made me understand why some believe it more than before. If you haven’t seen already, LISK might be a good video idea soon as they’ve got a pretty solid suspect in custody now.

[@truthreignsforever9286]

If Welzien made it to the hotel, then vanished? It can be surmised that the killers were staying at the same hotel? They intercepted him as he was heading to his room after his friend dropped him in the lobby, perhaps? Perhaps the killers had a room on the same floor and waited for Welzien? As he staggered toward his room? Perhaps the killers followed him or his clique to the bar? Someone drugged him, then headed back to the hotel knowing Welzien would ask to be dropped off? Due to illness? Hmmm? The killers were in that bar the same night, my guess? Also, it can explain the smiley face graffiti in the area of the hotel, which supports my theory of the killers staying at the hotel

[@hooverkinz]

Great video as always. I have a hard time buying the theory, at least as vast as others claim (across many other states) as smiley faces are such a common graffiti tag, and it’s easier for a family to cope when they have someone to flame for the loss of their child/brother etc… the sad truth is young men are mostly likely to over drink and do risky things while they’re very drunk. We also don’t know much about decomposition in water, and can vary extremely based on certain factors, even the amount of oxygen in the water. I believe there may be some foul play, especially when it’s multiple cases in the same area, but across the whole of the US… I just don’t buy it but I understand families wanting some outside force to blame and explain it. This phenomenon seems like it’s responsible for some of the missing 411 cases being classified as such as families just can’t handle the knowledge of their family member simply made a tragic mistake. Regardless every case is a tragedy and my heart goes out for the victims and all the loved ones affected

[@jackson4672]

I'm sure that probably a few of the drownings were people pushed into the water by someone, either purposefully or accidentally, but I doubt all of them were when being drunk and falling is not rare. I really think people are seeing patterns and connections where there isn't,

[@jesterparty6947]

Oh yeah totally it's not strange at all for for multiple people who is drunk to walk 7-9 miles to the same location and then drown with No one seeing them....at all...

[@PanzerIVAE]

​@@jesterparty6947 Don't you think its strange for multiple salmon who can't breath oxygen to walk 30-60 miles to the same location then breed with no one seeing them at all? If only bodies of water have currents that can move objects and creatures along the water to designated endpoints huh? Obviously this is the work of the Pine Tree Beeders, an organized group of serial breeders who put salmon in their breeding spots who use the very common pine tree as a calling card!

[@everlastinglife5978]

People try hard to disregard this, but it happened to me and I was almost a victim. Luckily for me I didn't ingest enough of the drugged beer to black out.

[@CourtneyHammett]

I've really never been sure what to think of this theory. Doesn't help that they never check for the drug that's assumed responsible

[@jimjohnson724]

Note to self: don't be white, don't be 18-24 years old, don't be tall, handsome, and in good shape, don't be drunk, and don't split off from your friends

[@SavingSoulsMinistries]

the only thing that fits me is white and not drunk haha. guess im good then

[@metalmami7862]

Great doc and investigating. Keep up the good work.

[@pandoxvideos]

Thank you!!

[@metalmami7862]

@@pandoxvideos Ur welcome. Now I’m hooked ! Great facts and information!

[@evanmccue736]

Blood alcohol levels at the time of death doesnt mean anything. If they were captured/tortured for any lenth of time prior to dying, the level would go down over that span. "8 drinks" couldve been 12, and then dissipated over the time of being captured before being killed.

[@onethreejake]

Great edit on this video 👏🤝

[@pandoxvideos]

Thanks!

[@michelob.]

There was a similar case of a young man at Michigan State University within the last year!

[@2hot2bstr8official]

yep! my home town!

[@once-over4243]

Yesss!!! Thank you brother cant wait to watch it!

[@pandoxvideos]

Thanks for being here!

[@JP-wx6uh]

Austin seems a little outside their geographical region, at least based on the past locations.

[@fatthor2396]

How exactly does a homeless man call 911? Payphones aren't around anymore

[@wrench4203]

Homeless people have phones now some at least

[@jotun.616]

6:26 how and why would they know the academic status of the victims? Knowing theyre "in the prime of their lives" indicates its very personal. Which would leave a link for police. Id argue police are just inept, and we dont hear about the leads theyve blundered in these cases.

[@ladaga444]

Babe, wake up, Pandox uploaded a video today 😩

[@_aSilver]

What I think is happening is the original ones were a coincidence but the ones that started in Chicago could of been a copy cat or just a killer that was in the area that decided that was the best way to kill or how they wanted to kill.

[@patmccrotch3699]

Like numerous times before, the cops cant get over that thought that not only could something like this be possible but that it could be happening right under their nose. They act like its a bigger crime to acknowledge the possibility of crime on their watch than it is to actually commit the crime.

[@gabopalacios2028]

As a former graffiti artist, I can tell you: you don't buy spray paint to just randomly draw smiley faces everywhere you go; you tag yourself and your friends so other artists would notice you. Even if so, by now they should know if a local artist is known for drawing smiley faces instead of writing it's tag. It is really that easy. If there was an artist whose tag was something like "Smiley", "Smile", "Happy", etc. and said artist used to draw a smiley face instead of writing it's full tag then the FBI was right, if not, they choose to ignore evidence

[@melindarayburn1257]

In the 1990s it was (and somewhat still is) fairly common to see smiley faces painted on the side of barns and old abandoned buildings in rural Wisconsin. Farmer Joe is not a graffiti artist, nor a serial killer.

[@TheSatanel]

Agreed. That is in no way some kinda graffiti rule.

[@rockstarphantom8112]

​@@melindarayburn1257what about Farmer Ed? 😂

[@jq7323]

​@@rockstarphantom8112 Farmer Ed, was in fact a prolific graffiti artist

[@heresjonny.]

@@rockstarphantom8112 farmer Ed is actually Banksy 👍 🤣

[@josethepenguin]

There’s a couple of cases in Brooklyn near a famous rave spot in an industrial area that has had several murders where the bodies were found in a creek

[@jblaze12nite]

Boston has a smiley cell as well