The Return To Office DISASTER

[@JoshuaFluke1]

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[@race2thebottomii542]

Josh can you please talk about furlough, i am being put on furlough for a month!!! my program Development is yelling at me to get the project done before year end I dont make money for Christmas and have no team but i have get everything done before dec 11 what the hell are these idiots doing !!!

[@JoshuaFluke1]

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[@moe47988]

You can't collaborate remotely when you're designing products that can't leave the office due to NDA, genius. See: Apple.

[@TON-vz3pe]

​@@JoshuaFluke1*Things to remember* You coming to the office is a must for your employer to make cash. You are a cash cow. They give you salary, but they also want to get hold of some of it. The government wants you to work from an office not a home. It doesn't matter if you have Military grade encryption, VPNs, VDIs, 2FA, MFA, BYOD and 5G internet at home. They want to make you spend by not letting you stay with your parents and force your hand to rent outside. They intentionally have their offices in big cities where things are expensive. Big cities are of course BIG as the name implies and so you have to commute at least an hour or more daily. So you spend fuel. Fuel prices are rigged by the govt. It doesn't matter if a barrel of oil costs a dollar in the international market. Your employer also has to pay the government for providing office spaces. The main villain in this story is the Government. That's why it is important to work for MNC rather than local companies. MNC have to spend a lot to get offices running in your local areas. They are also taxed heavily. Because of this most MNCs have limited offices in a locality. So, they won't ask you to come to the office because their work force is big but offices are limited. It's all economics and greed.

[@googleuser4720]

Thanks idubbbz for the video

[@ABQSentinel]

After telling everyone that they would continue supporting remote work, my company, this past year, sprung the whole, return-to-office BS on everyone. The thing is, they had shutdown many buildings and cancelled office leases, so now, people are expected to return to the office, but they may not have anyplace to sit, or even anyplace to park their car. Typical upper-management incompetence!

[@jpnzo2k12]

We have flex seating which sucks

[@joeleek9976]

I often question the value that upper management brings to the table.

[@payasoinfeliz]

They're trying to force people to quit so they can avoid the cost and negative press of laying them off.

[@moldovanmoldovan7593]

Obviously you're from first world country. Haven't you played that game in kindergarden? There are always less chairs than live bodies and the music is slowing...@@AlvinKazu

[@BOZ_11]

@@AlvinKazu it's "hot desking" where you just grab whatever desk you can when you arrive at the office. A bit like tying to grab a seat on a train (as opposed to everyone having their own desk pre-covid)

[@What_is_wrong_with_this_world]

A job calling its employees "family" = Run for your life!

[@USS_Sentinel]

And never, ever look back.

[@princessmarlena1359]

I’d rather work for a mafia “family” and risk sleeping with the fishes. **somber mandolin music plays**

[@ENFPerspectives]

Annoys tf outta me.

[@Roescoe]

@@princessmarlena1359 Haha

[@JakeInvest]

yea no one is family if they can fire you and then never talk to you again and dont feel bad and or miss you at all

[@jackcarraway4707]

Office perks are irrelevant to me. I value saving gas and wear/tear on my vehicle.

[@stephx9759]

Coincidentally thats also better for the environment

[@treehugger3615]

IC cars need to run to keep the engine alive. During the pandemic, I left my car too long without running and the oil solidified and the engine developed a ticking problem.

[@Cree_Money]

@@treehugger3615 The fact that you were ignorant of the fact that cars should be driven on occasion to stay in good working order has no correlation with daily commutes being terrible. Every classic car owner knows they need to drive it around the block once in a while. Most people don't even think about this because just driving to get groceries gets the job done. You were an irresponsible automobile owner. Leather needs to be oiled. Blades need to be sharpened. Engines need to be run. Animals need to be fed. Welcome to adulting.

[@stephx9759]

@@treehugger3615 from 1 extreme to the other.

[@christaylor9095]

​@@treehugger3615engine oil solidification occurs below zero degrees or because the oil hasn't been changed properly. Not because the car isn't driven for a while. Oil becomes LESS viscous over time, which is why you should change your oil at time intervals, even if there is little to no mileage being but on the engine. In other words, I call bs on oil solidification because of remote work.

[@DyslexicAnaboko]

My favorite is when they have all that stuff, but no one is using it because if you are using it then you aren't working and you get called out for it. It's a load of crap.

[@Sonnabend00]

0ne office had a load of games consoles...and if you even touched them it appeared on your assessment.

[@thefruch7588]

Exactly!

[@idontcare9797]

​​@Sonnabend00 I bet if you brought up, why do we even have these consoles if we can't use them? You would get some dumb answer from management

[@mat4246]

@@idontcare9797 probably something like "you're welcome to use them after office hours" at which point I would rather go home

[@Sonnabend00]

@@idontcare9797 "We're a FAMILY here, they are there for you to relax..once all your work is done"..which is, of course..never. I mean we all know what the answer is here..all that commercial real estate.

[@beasaroseco5840]

Have they solved the problem of the narcissistic, sociopathic, anti-social personality, micromanagement managers?

[@princessmarlena1359]

I hate their kind. Only people I hate more than them are those coworkers who suck up to them.

[@zuzumontague]

Nope. And, they never will..

[@mynock250]

If it wasn't for them the minions would do nothing.

[@theresagomez2605]

​@@mynock250some people are self motivated.

[@BrunoGabrielAraujoLebtag]

​@@princessmarlena1359the worst kind

[@canuckasaurus]

My company has had 40% turnover this year since we were forced back to the office -- including a lot of senior positions. Since then, the company has been in damage control mode, trying to plug the gaps and control the message. Mentorship, culture, leadership... whatever buzzword that HR is going to be pushing on us this quarter. We had an internal survey this year and when it came time for the results the company buried it and never spoke of it again.

[@UniDeathRaven]

hahah

[@keithscull8288]

It sucks that so many companies push away from the advent of remote work, which I really believe is something that has provided a level of liberty and happiness not possible in past generations

[@mrsearaphim4077]

yep, my previous job lost most of their seniors including myself. They probably are still trying to convince themselves its for the best. The latest HR bs term they had found was "engagement"

[@arasf5236]

that's a shocker, survey in my company also wasn't shared or discussed , like it never happened, wonder why

[@jlogan2228]

​@@keithscull8288exactly, if you aren't going to pay me worth a shit, let me at least work from home and don't micro manage me.

[@YouMissedBro]

There is 0 benefit to work in an office if you dont do customer-facing work. Tech should be almost entirely remote

[@theresagomez2605]

My job is almost entirely done through email, with the occasional phone or zoom call. 6 1/2 years and I think I have met 3 customers in person. My supervisor (who I had to train) is experiencing withdrawal because he "needs" me in the office. He wants somebody to whom he can vent and onto whom he can dump responsibility. No thanks. I've got 3 interviews this week for fully remote positions doing the exact job....for 60% more income. It's our busiest time of year and he's treading on thin ice. Lol.

[@YouMissedBro]

@theresagomez2605 I'm the lone QA on a 10 man dev/project mgmt team. I am in 1 30min stand up and my entire job is cloud based in Azure. If I go into the office, it's 40 minutes through downtown. If I stay at home, that's 80min a day I get to spend at the gym training instead. My health >>>> management wanting me to do remote work on *their* monitors in a cube

[@theresagomez2605]

@@YouMissedBro you are absolutely correct! You gain almost 3 hours/day. That's easily 15 hours/week you can enjoy instead of commute. That's huge!

[@LethalConformity]

@@YouMissedBro Ay fellow QA person! My company decided to downscale the office that we all work in due to the amount of people that actually go in and because they suck at hiring. They stopped looking to hire QA and are looking for Devs. Unfortunately for them my area is... very tech illiterate. Just a few months ago, we had a meeting where the President of the Commercial group talked about mandating a 2-day hybrid schedule set for sometime next year. Like you, I sit in a 30 minute standup and I almost never see my client simply because they're in other states. Outside of that, I never have face-to-face contact with anyone on my team. Making me go into the office wouldn't change that fact either, because I would still have to use MS Teams to talk to them. So I absolutely feel ya.

[@kritsadventures]

You can share screens and do HD video. There is zero reason you need to be physically next to somebody else.

[@mikeferguson4816]

I think EVERYONE HATES an open office floor plan, unless it's a smaller area with just your work team...and your team really gets along well...rare.

[@princessmarlena1359]

Open Office Floorplan = Slave Ship Rowing Deck

[@marcd6897]

I love the open office floor plan…. but only because I’m currently alone there 😂 and I have a bigger office than any CEO. I go to the office once a week, maybe twice because I need some equipment there. But I guarantee, should the office ever become crowded again like it was before, I’ll stay away and work from home.

[@Shadow_Banned_Conservative]

Especially when your job requires quiet, focus, and attention to detail. My productivity is way down since moving from my own office to a small desk, less than two feet away on 3 sides from my colleagues, sharing our space with another department, and alarmed doors 20 feet away that constantly alarm all day long. I've mentioned in another post above that I may retire in a couple of years at 55 instead of staying to 60 because of the work environment.

[@m1dway]

@@Shadow_Banned_Conservative Sadly bosses don't care. The only care about visibility. They never care about productivity.

[@Randleray]

I actually had that experience. It was great. But then again, I am located in central Europe, where more than 5 desks per (open) office room is very uncommon. The average I encountered so far in 10 years of working experience was 3 people with desks in a room where management could easily fit 6 if they wanted. I really dont envy american office workers -_-

[@businesscat4435]

This entire thing makes me angry. I'm tired of pretending and being gaslighted by corporate suckups. Life is bad enough. These assholes need to get real.

[@Downfall8900]

​@@SEIKAnot surprising. Cult-like behaviour.

[@Shadow_Banned_Conservative]

Unfortunately, most of the upper levels of corporate aren't there for the long haul, so even if they destroy the companies they run they won't be around to face the consequences. That's the big problem with today's corporate world. I see corporate destroying the loyal workforce daily and it saddens me, enough that I'm looking at early retirement in a couple of years because of it.

[@pegcity4eva]

Get your vested shares out and book it.

[@tubbytuber]

Here’s an idea: Go start your own company. Competing against such incompetent management as yours sounds like a slam dunk. Or are you just all talk and no action.

[@Downfall8900]

@@SEIKA Never let Babylon get you down !

[@MrTStat]

I asked my HR recently for a month off UNPAID, I don't want to take your money and run, I just need a break. for context 3 of the European colleagues got 4 f**king month of PAID PATERNITY LEAVE and no hate on them good for them I just need a month UNPAID to unwind .... they said they cannot do that but they "encourage" me to come to the office more as it is better for my mental health !!! what universe are these people living in?!!!

[@theresagomez2605]

Tell them you need paternity time too.

[@ceu160193]

Coming to the office is better for mental health? Interesting, I thought coming to same place you do not want to be at to meet people you would rather have very far away from you does opposite to mental health.

[@symraynor]

In the universe of people who have never worked a day in their lives but explain to others how to work

[@violetgypsie]

Go to your doctor or mental health professional and get a medical note saying you are on medical leave. If you truly need a break, especially for your mental health, then please take it.

[@hypatia4754]

Spain passed a law for equal paternity leave to maternity leave. A year for both.

[@elmobolan4274]

If only companies put this much effort into renovating employees' pay raises...😠

[@theresagomez2605]

There's no tax incentive for that.

[@HartleySan]

They have to renovate profits first, which most are clearly 100% incapable of doing.

[@Chinothebad]

They could but then they'd complain about "losing profits" or some other excuse.

[@gdwnet]

every time i see a "hub of innovation and collaboration" I just remind myself that I've only got another 7 years before I can retire and get the hell away from all the corporate rubbish.

[@MB-uy5kh]

13 months and 4 days for me. Now have to go into office three days a week.

[@Shadow_Banned_Conservative]

I'm with you there. two years to 55 for me, debt free, and now just looking at what I need to save to make it to 60 if I pull the plug at 55.

[@gdwnet]

@@Shadow_Banned_Conservative Good for you! I'll be debt free in a year and can then focus on the last few years before retirement.

[@JaySmith-pv2mw]

Four years, ten months. NOT that I'm counting down or anything.

[@aguy446]

"I'm going to do nothing at all about this for 7 years then ride off into the sunset" Very cool

[@simonhimself1]

There’s only 2 reasons why employers want you back. One, for your useless boss to interrupt you and dump things on you. Two, to keep commercial property values afloat.

[@pegcity4eva]

Yup

[@PlaystationMan-e3p]

@@pegcity4eva Definitely )

[@marikroyals7111]

Or 3. Too many of the people hired aren't doing the work their suppose too, slacking off in other words, ruining remote work for everyone else because management feels people can't be trusted to work on their own. A few bad apples spoil the bunch. It's being hard to organize thing's among people could also be a reason. Not say the other two aren't major reasons but I've heard stories about people barely doing the work part of remote work, not to mention people finding it hard to coordinate doing remote work.

[@PlaystationMan-e3p]

@@marikroyals7111 unlikely unless the pay is garbage, atleast thats what i witnessed in my country.

[@spitfire7170]

​@@marikroyals7111there's so many productivity metrics in every area that's capable of remote work that they could easily just threaten to fire anyone underperforming without a good reason for multiple consecutive feedback periods and this problem is solved(and guess what? Most companies already do that but throw in bs metrics along with the productivity ones to make things even stricter so this is a nonissue)

[@enzothebaker22]

After we adjourned for covid, a dirty little secret began to emerge that was only whispered about. People were more productive. I could do 8 hours work in 3-4 hours. Others admitted the same in single conversations, never a group. No bogus meetings and 'Hey you' taskings. When the return was announced, we lost 7 people within 10 days. These were good people too, not the deadweight.

[@Jennifer_Lewis_Beach_Living]

These knotheads who want to “return to the office” are going AGAINST solid evidence that working remotely not only increased productivity, but workers worked MORE hours willingly while working remotely because they had a better environment to do more! The three remaining better watch out because this era is “Revenge of the Employer”. To help control the costs incurred from increasing salaries to fairer market rates, they WON’T backfill those positions.

[@Roger-d5o]

Sometimes it's good to meet the real people at office parties, but generally the office is just a place for aggravation and distraction.

[@reginaldwright247]

The "Deadweight" has an unfortunate tendency to stick around.

[@electrodynamicorb6548]

Did you just call yourself deadweight 😆

[@jlogan2228]

​@@Roger-d5oironically working remote is the only reason I ever wanted to go to office gatherings bc it's like hey it'd be cool to finally meet this coworker I chat with in person (if they are cool)

[@TMendocino]

Message from a Boomer to my Millennial, Gen X, Gen Y and Gen Z peers. When I graduated and got my first job at a Fortune 500 company, I got an office. I had a secretary. I decorated my office and it had a door and window. I had a private and quiet space to work. It was a nice sized office. 7 years later we went to modular furniture, because we hired more people. Real offices were for Managers and above. So, I kept my office, as by then I had been promoted to a manager. But at least the modulars had high walls that afforded the staff privacy. This was in Los Angeles, so commutes were very long, back in the 1980's a commute was an hour and a half. Today, I am 100% remote. I have NO commute, a home office with a couch and my dog. I work longer and get more done, because I don't leave at exactly 5 to get on the freeway to make a 2 hour commute one way. I also don't spend on gas, tolls, work clothes or lunch. I have seen your new spaces, with modulars that look like phones booths or picnic tables. We were treated with respect, not as children. It is crazy for them to want a 40 year old man or women to be on a picnic table after all those years of college and hard work. NO going back, it is the 21st century and remote technology gets better and more advance devery year. These rich weirdo's don't want to lose their kissazzes, fiefdoms and commercial real estate investments as Financial Districts all over the world go through the transition of remote work. Go F yourself Jamie Dimon. As far as "collaboration" their word of the day. Yesterday, I received a call from a Client in Rockville Maryland, I am in the Bay Area. They wanted to actually collaborate on a project that was urgent. I immediately, set up a Team's meeting, and I mean immediately, like on the spot. I met with the two principals, one in Maryland and the other in Boston and we came up with a plan and solution for the issue at hand. It took 20 minutes. I didn't need to drive into South San Francisco.

[@tehweh8202]

I'm fully with you on the collaboration thing. My previous job was fully remote, and I was in Europe, and occasionally working with US clients. The time zones were a bit of a nuisance, but I still remember how I once just quickly set up a call to fix some hardware integration. I was remote-managing the hardware from 4200 miles away, in almost real-time. It didn't really make any difference if we were both in the same office, or on opposite sides of the planet. It worked fine. The alternative would have been flying me over to the US for about 8k Dollars.

[@Marc-King777]

This.

[@fivevs1]

my boss asked me if I would ever return to the office. I said sure under certain conditions she asked what they were and I said basically I just want an office. her reply was oh that’s easy. I’m like no I don’t think you understand because for me an office has four walls, a floor, a ceiling,and a door, none of which is transparent and the door locks. she was like we don’t have anything like that because we have an open office plan. I said you asked that’s my nonnegotiable. I’m able to retire early so I can be demanding tell them to fuck off.

[@dynamichunter843]

Don’t ask for an office, ask for a huge raise that covers the 2 hours spent getting ready and commuting every single day, plus benefits like free lunch that reduce your takeout spending when rushing to the office

[@Jennifer_Lewis_Beach_Living]

I want my OWN office, which is a room with a door that closes, a ceiling, and has four walls. If you can’t give me that, I want a 40% increase in my salary to make it worth my while. I’m like you - I’m close to retirement and I have my financial ducks in a row where if I have to retire early, I can.

[@reginaldwright247]

YOU ROCK!

[@Quibblet]

Open office has got to be one of the worst things to have ever come out of Asia.

[@jlogan2228]

When our company was teasing RTO 3/4 of us were basically like yea you do that and we all quit. Suddenly they decided to instead just to encourage us to use our tracker apps bc it's a "privilege" to work from home so we have to "keep earning it"

[@85jongo]

I like the synergy in the comments. Great synergy guys! Keep it up! Teamwork makes the dreamwork!

[@JoshuaFluke1]

It's been a minute, feels so good to see. Means more than you know.

[@kevinmach730]

When toy use the word 'synergy' not once but twice, and then follow it up with a dippy corporate phrase- I think a few us thought you were being sarcastic :)

[@AngelOfMusic12457]

This reminds me of how a coworker was told to take down the pictures she’d pinned to the outer-wall of her cubicle. The offending images? Yorkshire terriers. I wish I was kidding. Was literally told to take down pictures of YORKIES because it’s “unprofessional”. We work in a CALL CENTER.

[@se2664]

Call centers are the worst jobs ever

[@AngelOfMusic12457]

Coming from retail and food service it's a cake walk, but yeah they are wilding. It's very much "trying to make corporate a thing" when we talk on the PHONE. Also, of course, insisting on returning to office. So we can all talk on the phone at the same time in one single open space :'D @@se2664

[@hiflyer000]

I remember during the Great Recession of 2008 I was desperate and interviewed for a Call Center job and they literally required applicants to have a Call Center certification (never even heard of it before then) and a BS in Computer Science to be considered. The salary for this job was $10/hr and they didn't offer any kind of deal on parking or public transit, which is a big expense considering it was located in the downtown part of the city.

[@counterleo]

@@se2664 Yep, I would do McDonald's before I worked in a call centre. I already despise the phone in my daily life, imagine doing that for work 8 hours a day being recorded and with a supervisor constantly micromanaging you. Actual hell

[@katec9893]

​@@counterleoI worked for 9 months in call centres while I was studying and it was pretty hellish. They timed our 'not ready time' (usually just time spent going to the bathroom!) then they'd email everyone's not ready time to the whole team each week to praise those who had constantly took calls and shame anyone who had needed to take more breaks. It was inhumane. They then moved those jobs to India to reduce how much they had to pay the staff.

[@miahoooooooo]

Banks in Australia are calling workers back in office for the importance of "in person collaboration", while at the same time the banks are trying hard to remove any in person interaction with their customers by removing more and more branches, replacing customer services with some silly chat bot.

[@petershi4725]

I used to work at MQ, and the control culture was too toxic to stay. As for removing branches, because they are trying to get rid of cash for total control. Andrew Tate had a good point about it.

[@IdgaradLyracant]

No they all got the same canned memo from the same consulting company JP Morgan Chase uses. Well Fargo, US Bank, Bank of America, etc.. all used the same canned memo. Including this year the same typo in the same spot (wrong Their\There). It's the same consulting company giving them a stock memo.

[@Cheeky_Sheikhy]

Absolutely agree.

[@_Delta_P_]

I took a 20% pay cut to work remote because I have not only a heart issue but a spinal cord injury. I have good health insurance and I get to take care of myself at home. Never going back to a desk and commute.

[@PS-lv1mr]

Remote work is a huge deal for many people with injuries such as that. It’s evil for boomers to force people back into the office.

[@woodrmp1]

@@PS-lv1mr The good thing is that the youngest boomers are 60 years old now, so we won't have to deal with this mentality for much longer hopefully

[@Trader_Dave]

@@PS-lv1mr I think you need some therapy.

[@PS-lv1mr]

@@Trader_Dave Explain

[@Nun195]

2.5 million boomers leave the realm every year.

[@Whowhatsit]

I think the funniest thing about the "Return to the office" trend is just how big of a financial scam it is. At this point a lot of company's offer a premium for in-office roles, and it's normally $15k-$20k more than a similar remote role would be, if not higher. Yet then you see these scummy companies demand people return to the office after 3+ years of working remote, expecting them to not only take a pay cut in the form of gas, vehicle depreciation, and loss of time, but to also work for the same lower wages people get from working remote. They don't need to worry though, since 80% of workers are essentially sheep who will just go along with whatever is asked of them regardless of how it impacts their life or the lives of others. To anybody seeing this, if you are being forced to return to the office and can't find another remote role, at least quit and go to another company where they will pay you the actual market rate.

[@stratomaster891]

I have actually seen the opposite. In office roles in tech typically pay as much as 30%-40% less than remote positions. I'm assuming it's because the in office positions are typically reserved for the more junior employees, which makes the RTO stuff all the more dumb imo. Not only are you making less, you're also expected to spend more on your commute to prop up commercial property values which the company's investors are probably over exposed to.

[@Whowhatsit]

@@stratomaster891 Maybe it's just the industry I'm in (cybersecurity), but I feel like I've seen it elsewhere, that there are just a lot of jobs that require in person and will pay more. I can see lower level roles being in person though as they don't have any leverage to work remote.

[@red5standingby419]

@@stratomaster891 When hiring a remote worker, you are interviewing people from all over the country. Therefore you have a larger talent pool and much better talent to obtain. But with the higher talent typically demands higher pay, as well as local cost of living differences. Someone in NYC will demand much higher pay than someone in Omaha Nebraska. But the higher talents typically will be in or closer to the high cost of living areas. So remote will tend to get paid more. When hiring in office you have a much smaller pool of candidates to choose from (local to that area) and probably not as talented and/or experienced, or at least a much smaller amount at that level. So they will typically get cheaper options and/or have to settle for what's available locally. At least that's the way I read it.

[@mrsearaphim4077]

Left my previous job after they started forcing a return to office and found out remote offers tend to pay double my previous salary. hilarious

[@Nun195]

Union.

[@DanielEarl]

Company: *calls you family Also company: *fires your ass the moment you put a toe out of line.

[@burnerheinz]

Hey they didn't say it wasn't an abusive Family.

[@RashiimAllen]

Literally got fired in the first week of my new job for having to pick up my kid early from school. So glad I wasted hours in numerous interviews for a company that gave me a laptop and VPN access so I could do the work strictly from a cubicle.

[@woodrmp1]

That's insane! We need to start outing companies for stuff like this.

[@jlogan2228]

It's funny bc they give you the laptop so you can work overtime from home or on the weekends

[@hummingbirdofgumption3263]

I remember my former employer required this. I left and many followed. They ended up having to revise that requirement.

[@PS-lv1mr]

this may be happening soon where i work. L

[@tracy3418]

@@britbuttmcbooty9221my doctors filled out all the paperwork and they still kept fighting with them. Despite my job only involving communicating with people around the country.

[@Shadow_Banned_Conservative]

@@PS-lv1mr We have a couple of people testing that now. One colleague who they can't afford to lose, at least today bought a home across the country and told management, "I'll work remotely if you want, if not, then it's been nice knowing you." He's been working 100% remotely for two months now and some of his reports aren't happy that they have to come into the office 3 days a week. I've told my manager that I'll likely retire in two years when I hit 55 because of the way the executives have mandated we be in the office 3 days a week in cramped, small desks, less than two feet away from 5 other colleagues, in a noisy environment when we used to each have our own offices. Hopefully management is taking our concerns upstairs because they do worry about us old timers leaving and retiring while the remaining engineering staff being young and only having a couple/few years of experience isn't real happy about the accommodations either.

[@dynamichunter843]

Sadly not likely to work at big corps as most people need their jobs and will fall in line. Especially recent college grads. The market is rough right now.

[@tracy3418]

@@dynamichunter843 working at home is a lot easier and more accommodating for those of us with disabilities.

[@chrismcdonnell7448]

I love how all those students looked so miserable in that last picture!

[@HernTheHunter]

Even the employees looked like they did not want to be there. I have seen happier people on the factory floor who know they are in a dead-end job.

[@drozcompany4132]

High school students always look like this.

[@trajhenkhet02]

I like how the dude talking has a etc look and everyone looks like they bit into mystery jerky

[@Mady-lo6qb]

They just found out that the salary starting salary in the job will not be enough to pay their student loans. lol.

[@kevinb4079]

Worked in a call center years ago that had it all, complete with free arcade and even an actual Subway sandwich shop. All of this gets stale really quick even with only a few minutes out of every workday to take advantage of these things. I eventually quit when I was told I had to ask permission to use the bathroom outside of my breaks.

[@se2664]

That’s fucking insane! You’re not a child and shouldn’t have been asked that question

[@kritsadventures]

Yeah, not a chance. I'm a big boy, if I need to get up and piss, I'll do it. I wouldn't quit tho, I'd make them fire me for using the bathroom.

[@RajaRickin]

sounds like geico

[@hertzwave8001]

"I had to ask permission to use the bathroom" ah yes, back to public brainwashing

[@churchofpos2279]

WE had a "potty patrol" person , who would come looking for you, if you took more than 5 minutes to use the restroom.

[@NomadicBrian]

If you want to join a cult you will love our new offices. We make sure you are NEVER alone.

[@chancepaladin]

HIIIIIIIIIIIII WATCHAWORKINONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

[@Yeshuagal]

Hahahaha!!!! So funny!😆😁😅🤣😂

[@greorbowlfinder7078]

The real problem is managerial ass hats have been telling us we aren't on the same team for the last 20 plus years. I finally agree. I'm not on their team either. Nor do I want to be. Good luck with your obsolete office buildings.

[@s.e.murphy5096]

Something I learned in the Army. There is no "i" in team. But there is an M and an E, and that spells ME! There's no U in team either, so fuuuuuuck U! I don't recommend saying that at the next staff meeting though, no matter how tempted you might now be.

[@USS_Sentinel]

Convert them to housing. And before some business bros start kicking off about costs, that conversion is something the government should subsidize. I'd rather my taxes go to that than supporting Israel's war machine.

[@YouMissedBro]

@USS_Sentinel agree, if the government is gonna waste money I'd rather it be in a poor attempt to give more affordable housing. At least my dollars burn with good intentions than giving Notsees in Ukraine weapons for a war they can't win.

[@USS_Sentinel]

@@YouMissedBro I don't agree with your Ukraine take but the rest of it I'll take.

[@TheGirlsimmer1]

@@USS_Sentinel Ukraine magically lost the weapons that the US gave them and is asking for more. There are rumors that they might be in the hands of Hamas. How convenient.

[@owenb8636]

The intern desperately brown nosing to try to ingratiate himself into a contract position has the energy of sending multiple read messages to an unsuccessful first date

[@stevenbyrd8487]

While accurate in spirit, I sincerely doubt that was an intern. No one normal talks like that.

[@MrRealgamer777]

I work at a well known company and let me tell you this is absolutely real behavior. I have seen these types of posts produced by summer interns, they will do a bunch of them (when they first arrive, first coffee, obligatory how great the office is, last day, etc etc). They are usually written by the least competent/non contributing interns who are riding off notoriety (high end university or past internships). There are more of these people out there than you might expect. @@stevenbyrd8487

[@BulaMeister]

ChatGPT for sure

[@Shadow_Banned_Conservative]

I don't blame interns, they don't have any experience yet and don't know better times. I make sure I tell them though what we used to have, even interns used to get an office before.

[@y-yyy]

Dude copypasted from ChatGPT, if that wins him a job I say W for him

[@spacecadet2226]

Joshua, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: You are the most negative and sarcastic KZbinr out there…and that is why I’m subscribed.

[@1439315]

#METOO

[@theresagomez2605]

Lol. I don't get the impression he's a terribly negative person, just toward those who deserve it.

[@1439315]

@@ohmstrong $100 Trillion tax & waste national debt ? What are you - non patriotic ? Don't you support (insert latest war here) our troops -actually i am a veteran . . .

[@cosmictraveler1146]

He’s not “negative” in a sense that he’s pessimistic it’s just the bs corporate America is trying to push on people is gross lmaoo

[@spacecadet2226]

@@cosmictraveler1146 maybe he’s the only one being honest

[@hankmoody5514]

I'll never work in an office again, and none of that hybrid crap. I'm done with the two faced people, the commute

[@Simoss13]

It's amazing when you take the red pill on the office buzz words how easy it is to laugh at their lame attempts to manipulate you to do what they want at the cost of your sanity

[@YouMissedBro]

Do this with mainstream news as well, and the whole world starts to make sense. Regardless of whether it's "collaboration" or "protecting democracy," it's all to get you to accept the status quo.

[@XeonProductions]

The upbeat royalty free music they always choose for corporate propaganda fills me with rage and contempt.

[@stevethomas74]

[@brittislove]

its always a ukulele and whistling. ALWAYS.

[@stevethomas74]

@@brittislove A lot of the time! 🤣

[@sneakyquick]

I worked in a cube in an office for 23 years. I recently got a director level position in a new employer and I finally got the largest corner office in the building, I have waited my entire career to have an office, and I mostly work from my basement living room. Ha ha.

[@sparty837]

Being old my first office actually had walls and a window. When I retired, they had just gotten rid of the micro cubes to an open area. So I went from office with dignity to a warehouse over my career and they told me it was to improve "collaboration' which was actually reduced because everyone could hear your conversation.

[@tadroid3858]

Blackstone is liquidating their office holdings. Deed-in-lieu foreclosures shot up to nearly 40% of total foreclosures. Those are voluntary foreclosures that landlords are just handing deeds back to the banks.

[@sublimeranger]

The problem with back to office is not that they have to pay for real estate, but for the reason that they can keep an eye on people, nothing else.

[@CheezMonsterCrazy]

If the company is just renting space, you're right. But plenty of companies have spent decades purchasing commercial real estate for their employees to work at. Those investments start bleeding value VERY quickly when they aren't being used, and it really looks like shit on a financial report when you have to justify upkeep costs on a 30 floor skyscraper in NYC that is currently being used by 1/1000th of the employees it was built to hold for the next 100 years.

[@dynamichunter843]

When they have execs coming to visit our office, they tell us to show up so we look good to them. It’s just a fucking show to them

[@Jennifer_Lewis_Beach_Living]

It’s “control and costs”. They know that 20-30% of their workforce will voluntarily resign, and they won’t backfill those positions. Also, micromanagers and executives “know where you are” when you’re in the office. You’re not spending work time binge-watching Netflix or taking advantage of the company by working two jobs simultaneously 🙄.

[@xekis]

Whenever I go to the office I still spend my days on the same conference calls that I could have taken at home.

[@franciscodetonne4797]

To motivate creativity, we put people in a drab, unnatural place where, if you stand up and walk around (movements motivate thinking - that's how human mind works), you get questioned why you aren't in your place typing and clicking because, apparently, it's the real metrics to gauge your productivity. As if they want you to fail or something.

[@princessmarlena1359]

I sneak out whenever I can, but the new “open floor plans” and better cameras prevent that. Stupid corporations.

[@katec9893]

One of my main issues with office jobs is not being allowed to freely move around as much as I want. I love to move my body and sitting for 8 hours a day felt torturous. I don't know how people do it. I do better when I work in schools or do gardening work because I can actually move around then.

[@matts1392]

I feel like you're the only person talking about how RTO is just because the commercial real estate industry is losing money on empty office buildings and it frustrates me that everyone else is silent on that.

[@theresagomez2605]

The CEO where I work laid everyone off for the pandemic, then added to his unused real estate. Now he's acting like a crack head in withdrawal.

[@gaslitgames]

This video is so innovative. I feel empowered to really bring about positive value and growth to our peers in the comment section. Forward thinking ideas like this are the foundation of a strong family as we replace our former ones for free candy and foosball tables.

[@Bjorn_R]

Ironically they have done research on open space offices showing negative results, because people get distracted and lack privacy. But heeey we can squeeze more people into a big room and call it a creative collaborative environment!

[@bluemagi1656]

Commute here can take up to 3 hours, 1 hour min. if you're lucky. You'll have to spend up to 6 hours daily in traffic just to get to your destination. A study conducted here also stated that remote vs office work yield same results but some officials are pushing for back to office setup because the owners of the buildings are losing money disregarding the fact that the people are happy working from home. Unlike there, they didn't put any effort to lure employees back to the office

[@Observeruniverse]

Hello fellow kids: Look at this amazing office space where all your dreams and aspirations come to DIE! Just like you in that cubicle.

[@stevenpike7857]

At 4:09, none of that means anything. "Commitment to excellence," "champions a culture," "nurtures professional growth," what a bunch of nonsense mean nothing platitudes. It reminds me of those people that choose fancy words for a boring job. He's not an accounting clerk, he's a "numerical custodian"!

[@citydweller99]

I go into the office on occasion, and I'm usually just working at my desk during the time I'm there. Everyone else I work with are usually in meetings so I think to myself 'why didn't I just go to my local coffee house to work instead'? Only benefit I guess is that I walk a mile to work in the city so I guess I'm getting physical exercise.

[@katec9893]

I've thought most office jobs were dystopian for 20 years but couldn't find anyone who seemed to think the same thing, everyone I knew just accepted that way of life. Finally due to the lockdowns lors of people woke up and realised how terrible it is to commute 3 hours a day to do kind numbing work in a soulless fluorescent lit depressing box surrounded by boring people you can't relate to. Rush hour wouldn't exist if commuting didn't exist yet people mindlessly accepted commuting for donkeys years. Thank god there is finally pushback against this dystopian insanity

[@mrmack2083]

After 1 year of WFH I was crying to get back to the office. After 2 years of WFH I was dying to get back to the office. After 3 years and 4 months when they finally called us back, I'm like "meh. not interested."

[@ThatsJustEric]

I would have never want to come back

[@HenryBloggit]

What kind of psychopath would ever be “dying to get back to the office”? Patrick Bateman?

[@yeamore6324]

People like you who enjoy annoying work environments are the problem

[@ladyeowyn42]

@@HenryBloggit Anyone stuck at home with children.

[@MeghanGraceDIY]

When I see those tall tables with stools all I think is owwww that’s going to hurt my back

[@SupportSquirrel]

At my company it's hilarious. They forced people back DIRECTLY before starting massive renovation - including on all our elevators. There are no parking spaces unless you arrive 2 hours early (or want to park in a field) and on day 1 of "Return to Office" one of the major pipes exploded, leading to an extra 3 days of "Temporary Remote Work". We're now up to "We'd like you to work 4 days from the office" and this is DIRECTLY after a bunch of teams hired remote-only workers. Even my direct C-level is having issues justifying working from the office because he works FROM 7 STATES AWAY. In fact, he seems to be the only C-level who hasn't drank the Cool-Aid (mis-spelling meant) of working from the office. My favorite thing of all is even if you DO find a parking space you have all of 1 foot between your car and someone else's...but hey, we get free soda and they put in a mini-starbucks so I guess that makes up for all of it...

[@woodrmp1]

$5 bucks worth of free food every day and a new dent in your car that costs $100 to pull out

[@JohanVisser-sq1ng]

At my company it was almost the same. Just before Covid they started a massive renovation. Glass walls, etc. And my commute is a nightmare. First I have to walk 20 minutes to the train station, take the train for about 15 minutes. Then I have to switch to another train that takes about 45 minutes, I have to switch again, and that train takes another 15 minutes. All switches take at least 20 minutes waiting time. When I arrive at the destination, it is another 15 minute walk to the office. F*ck the office

[@nicholasbroadhurst9096]

Betcha won’t get fired if you just continue to work remote and ensure you’re doing good work…

[@DaStig69]

I lost my job in October and I am struggling to find work. When I see these videos and read the comments it does verify a lot of what is going on out here. I live in a city that is home to several of the big banks and they seem so out of touch with current economic reality.

[@oscarcharliezulu]

There are great reasons for sometimes coming into the office, but not full time - working from home is the greatest mental health, life-work balance and improvement in working conditions advance that’s happened in a very long time.

[@JabelldiMarco]

I still don't get WHY companies want their employees in the office building? More rent, more costs for heating or AC, more office material to provide, more printing, commuting costs some employers provide, and all that nonsense you mentioned like gyms; their employees assume part of their work is done with sitting in the office, get distracted by colleagues, and stop to work when they are hungry, have to get the kids from school, make purchases, visits to the doctor or simply when their public transports happens.

[@erikvanbrussel5304]

Thank you Josh for all this innovation and collaboration that collide and inspire.

[@KamiKomplex504]

Work from home has been insane for me. I have autism, adhd and am 70% deaf. This makes in person "collaboration" hard and something I thought I was doomed to experience. I hate the call back to the office. I work harder than anyone else from home. I am considering a job with a massive jump in pay right now but I really don't know if I can move and be forced into the office with a long commute again. I saw a stat that a 2 hr commute can lower self reported happiness from 8/10 to 4/10 in the average case ...

[@reginaldwright247]

GO!!! RUN!!! DON'T LOOK BACK OR YOU'LL END UP LIKE LOT'S WIFE FROM THE BIBLE!

[@kagreen2k]

Every time I go into the office, I die a little bit inside. 😢

[@WestZ]

Ah, the intern that is doing the least. That is DEFINITELY a ChatGPT-created post.

[@Sonnabend00]

So enthusiastic....they must be paying them well..oh wait....

[@ericaceous1652]

Definitely has that vibe - the emojis, the very standard buzz-speak

[@theresagomez2605]

Agreed! They took some nonsense from the company website and asked Chat GPT to write a review for them. It's fair. Companies don't care about creative thought; they just want everyone to robotically repeat their crappy rhetoric.

[@symraynor]

I am Italian, so English is not my native language. I started to come across the word 'foster' about a year ago. Now I see it everywhere.

[@Denastus]

@@symraynorthe only thing that those companies will foster are the kids of their employees because the parents can no longer take care of them.

[@JH4shadow]

What this really is is that companies (especially large ones like mine) are getting kickbacks and tax breaks to force people back into the office. Several city governments subsidize the offices because it feeds the local businesses like restaurants and coffee shops. They're just dressing it up to sell it. I work for a large, global company and i literally work with no one locally. They want me to come to the office to take meeting online. Makes no sense whatsoever.

[@cmbbfan78]

Return to office trend shows: 1., The fears and big egos of CEOs 2., The need for control of all employees - even for the cost of the company 3., The missing cooperation of the employees in valid unions to have their interests fulfilled. That's the most important!

[@justinpatterson5291]

😂 They put grass on the table to entice the sheep back to their pens😂

[@witblitsfpv1265]

It's a pity companies don't realize what a cost free advantage it is for people to work remotely. Never going back to an office, if they force it they better start recruiting. 😊 The perks in some job ads are sickening, "Be part of a great team", "Your work makes a difference to the business", "Competitive salary" 😂 All things that should not even be mentioned.

[@Sonnabend00]

"Competitive salary" - And that salary is...?

[@UnknownString123]

Competitive salary is nice to know when true, it should mean that they pay above average and are looking for skill, not "experience".

[@USS_Sentinel]

@@Sonnabend00 We won't tell you until you're hired. No, we won't even give you a range.

[@Sonnabend00]

@@UnknownString123 Not "when true"--IF true. if its so competitive...then why wont they tell us what it is?

[@browns3033]

It's because they've already made the real estate investments pre-Covid and got stuck holding a bag of shit.

[@stevemerica8160]

Yea the company I work for did a 180 and switched to hybrid. Now we get the manager power trips if you miss a day in the office and work from home instead omfg

[@USS_Sentinel]

Managers need to be replaced with AI. May I suggest the geth?

[@princessmarlena1359]

If you hear “new management” at your workplace, get out of there.

[@idontcare9797]

@princessmarlena1359 what is "new management " ?

[@princessmarlena1359]

@@idontcare9797 exactly that. When your workplace is bought by a new owner or company, they put someone in charge who will typically be awful to the employees.

[@Zoranurai13]

Our office was recently remodeled and they promised a “place you want to go, work and feel at home” Result: EVERYTHING is white except the monitors and chairs, it’s like a damn operating room. It’s probably the most uninspiring office i’ve seen in a while… Oh and they reused all the old chairs, even the broken ones.. I work for a branch office of one of the largest it companies in the world

[@visionforetold4568]

Open floor plans are a got damn nightmare

[@ixiahj]

At least some of them had windows. I remember back in the 2013s dark ages, I used to work for one that had no windows. It looked and smelled like the Back Rooms.

[@DoubleGG5666]

I can relate so much to those high schoolers who look like they'd rather be anywhere else. Guarantee you they agreed to that because it got them out of class, and they were probably forced to do something like that for career day or similar. All the "careers" advertised in my schools career day were pencil pushing office jobs that did not look appealing at all, it only told me what jobs I DIDN'T want, while the actual cool jobs in the trades weren't even mentioned.

[@rafaelbogdan9307]

If I ever apply for a job that seems like it can be done at home, and they don't give a good reason why it can't, I'm not even taking it. I don't have kids, they can't hold any hostages against me.

[@keithrogers7422]

The picture with the kids being enthusiastic is classic! LMAO

[@PeaceNPassion50]

Not even one smile, haha! I don’t think they could’ve taken a worse picture if they tried.

[@keithrogers7422]

lol@@PeaceNPassion50

[@amicaaranearum]

4:36 They take up so much space filling these open office concepts with novelty décor when they could be offering each employee a private office with a door. (A private office is the bare minimum I’d need in order to consider commuting a considerable distance.)

[@SamAndrew27]

I don’t even mind working in an office, especially if they’re free means, snacks, and drinks. It’s the commute that is the deal killer for me!

[@MrMaelstorm]

I can't spend an hour for commute even half an hour is painful. This is because of a condition I have but even without it, no matter how you design an office, no matter how much work you put into making that office "better", will make people want to return there. Until they understand or are willing to face the facts, they won't understand why people don't want to come back. Their leases on their offices isn't their employees problem.

[@s.e.murphy5096]

That picture of that guy on his first day with the Welcome banner across his two monitors... You could see hope dying in his eyes. I mean it. Go back, freeze frame, look carefully. He's the younger Hide the Pain Harold.

[@Mady-lo6qb]

I wondered if anyone else had seen it too.

[@Barquevious_Jackson]

Your videos call into question the existence of human dignity. 10/10. Thank you for Sharing.

[@Dojan5]

I wouldn’t be able to work if I had to commute to an office. My mental health wouldn’t be able to take it. I really struggle with social situations, they stress me out, and sometimes I panic. Noise cancelling earbuds have been a life saver, but it’s like a painkiller, it alleviates but doesn’t fix. I’m perfectly productive at home. Thankfully my workplace doesn’t seem to be pushing for a return to offices, but I’m really scared they will at some point. As it is, I’m leading a perfectly functional, normal (albeit decently lonely) life. I am really scared of that being taken away.

[@henson2k]

Noise cancelling headphones in office is a sabotage of innovation and creativity that screaming right next to you

[@NathanSmutz]

What's the motivation for management? Is there data that people are less productive? Is it psychological insecurity around not being able to physically oversee things? Is there pressure from extroverts who fail to thrive alone all day? (maybe more common in the business-majors and creatives?)

[@Xerophun]

At this point I would have far more respect for these people if they just laid down the iron grip. The corpo double-speak is the worst part of this whole thing.

[@duuuude9291]

We had an Hybrid model of 2 days at home and 3 at the office, it was really great for me because on those days I was also going to the gym. Now, mandatory since this week, 4 days at office 1 at home, and I hate. I was happy and now I hate the company.

[@christopherwaller2798]

In the UK, there are government ministers who have chided civil servants for working from home and not being in the office, and press reports state that they will be expected to be in the office for at least three days a week. However, the implementation of this is often down to individual sections / teams / managers, not least because there literally aren't enough desks in most government departments for everybody to be present full time, although the 'Whitehall' desk ratio varies between departments dramatically (Many civil servants - especially for specialist agencies - are based out of regional offices which have similar capacity considerations). There have been cuts to public spending since 2010, but local authorities have borne the brunt of it through reduced central government funding (which they cannot make up for, due to how centralised taxation is) whilst central government headcount has actually increased in that period. Also, the higher salaries possible for many in the private sector mean that the public sector needs to be able to offer flexibility in order to retain staff. This is a particular problem in certain local authority [ie municipal] roles.

[@karl4813]

Let’s just hope more and more companies with remote work-culture will steal employees(aka. «talent!») from these boomers

[@YouMissedBro]

That's what they're afraid of. If you got a monopoly in tech jobs in nowhere, USA now all of a sudden you're competing with most of the country for talent. Competition means more $$$ in my pocket every paycheck

[@iriya3227]

Yea It's happening, I'm seeing more fully remote companies on the rise. In general, I found companies who offer more WFH also have far more competent management.

[@blktauna]

it's not always Boomers. I've had a gaggle of Millenials try the same stunt.

[@kevinmach730]

@@blktauna The owner of my last work place was millennial and was very pro office too. Can't blame the boomers for everything

[@blktauna]

@@kevinmach730 oh I certainly don’f, its an oddly perxasive thing that simply needs to stop.

[@urplypurple263]

Might wanna check your facts before including OSIT aha. Based in WA Australia they weren't really hit by most working from home restrictions, or the pandemic for that matter, so never encountered the issue of coming back. That being said theyre an IT company that allow all staff to work from home if they need to. As long as they have internet they can work anywhere.

[@MarkDavidoff]

The guys at OSIT really enjoyed the roast! The environment is actually pretty great there.

[@alanmichael5619]

I'm back at my first "in-office" role for years and its such a parody. Most of the meetings are literally in teams calls. So you have everyone commuting to the office to have a teams call. You get people talking about the reason for in office is because of all those "a-ha!" moments... those kind of moments that you can get by just asking the group in a slack or teams chat. Absolute madness

[@ulfpe]

Its even scientifically proven that efficiency drops by about 25% when moving to a open landscape. But perhaps the savings are bigger and theybdint care about the people.. and that feeling of power you get when you can see everyone all the time

[@christinesarkis4029]

I am so glad that my employer has made it pretty clear that they don't want my department (accounting) back in the office ever. It almost feels like the higher ups are actively hostile to the idea of us being there. Being one of the mole people who sucks all the air out of the room is finally paying off!

[@ispep8882]

That last picture was epic. Still laughing.

[@ravenRedwake]

If they really wanted people to come to the office, they could offer more pay for being at the office. I’m lowest of blue collar (retail), and the managers cry and lament about no new hires wanting to work on the weekends, and I’m like “you guys should bring back weeekend pay,” and they turn up their noses at the idea, but if you got paid time and a half for working on the weekend, you’d have volunteers hand over fist.

[@PS-lv1mr]

that makes too much sense for the boomers to comprehend

[@aureyd2515]

I worked at a retail store long ago when it was time and a half on Sundays and staffed by those who volunteered for it. The Sunday slots were filled weeks in advance. The next time I worked for them, they had dropped that and couldn't understand why they had so many people not show up on Sunday. They would also give you a nickel raise and act like it was just so thrilling that they could get you that, lol. Retail is a hard job. You want to keep good people? Pay them and add some perks that they want. Otherwise, your staff just keeps making the rounds since that's how you move up the pay scale. Of course, those retail days are over. But, it applies to other positions as well.

[@ravenRedwake]

@@aureyd2515 so we used to get a couple hundred dollars added to our shopping cards, but now kroger is too damn poor (they’re sure to say how poor they are every contract meeting, while trying to buy up every minor grocery store company). They treat the click list people like shit (well, they treat us all like shit) and won’t let the managers be managers and the corpos come down to stoke fear into our managers, and I really hate those fuckers. One of them was conceal carrying (badly, by which I mean he was printing, had the wrong size holster and wrong type of holster). I don’t follow bad rules either, I have conceal-carried at work for years, but nobody knows about it. Cause I’m not a fat corpo fuck who waddles out of the office and puts a Kimber pistol into a cheap holster and is wearing it appendix. I can tell all that because of how badly he’s printing against his gut.

[@AnotherDante]

You are all so brainwashed. 1.5 for overtime? Bring back double time! Hell turn it into 2.5!

[@ravenRedwake]

@@AnotherDante oh I agree, I’m saying for working on the weekends you get 1.5 time (Saturday and Sunday). Overtime isn’t supposed to be “oh, let’s leverage our workers to get these impossible tasks done” it’s supposed to be a punishment for poor management and a just reward for the employee who steps up. I think salaried employees should get overtime too.

[@Elucidus4]

The company i joined last year went full remote during the coof. They kept expanding and hiring worldwide, so they could not unring that bell if they wanted to. They use the offices as national HQs.

[@tamjeanell]

The part about human nature that these 'bosses' forget...is that once you have gotten a taste of freedom (no in office foolishness, time wasted on meetings, wearing out the smartest person in the office because ppl decide not to learn, etc) rarely will you get ppl to WANT to come back....we will figure it out on our own and realize is it even worth it? And for some it is not...

[@Scott_T_]

My best job 15 years ago had many offices with solid wood doors and cubes that had 10 foot high walls with chairs so people could come by, sit down and collaborate. It was quiet because those cloth cube walls absorbed sound. Now we have offices and cubes made of glass that make the working environment so loud that everyone wears noise cancelling headsets and nobody talks to each other.

[@OuterEastLLC]

Never trust a company that talks about creativity and collaboration when there is zero art on the walls.

[@stephaniewilson7352]

Those cubicle walls in the last one are too low. No privacy at all! I worked briefly in an open office where we weren't even allowed to add our own desk lamp, the light under the storage units was sufficient. I brought in a small IKEA lamp and got a slip of paper that I had violated office policy from the admin assistant who had been tasked to be the Enforcer of Policy. What a joke!

[@inasuma8180]

I’ll never work in an office again. Millions are feeling the same. My time can’t be bought anymore like that.

[@pinof1]

A lot of folks who work from home will have their jobs replaced by AI (depending on the job). I’m a tech in Law office, I support meeting after meeting with clients bringing their AI products that will be replacing many human jobs. I’m preparing and so should everyone. Again, depends on what you do. If you sit home a lot on zoom calls or answers emails, your days are numbered.

[@BoloH.]

I would gladly go to the office if my company had one in this city, but only if it was just a regular office where I could have a messy desk, several displays and a coffee mug in some dark corner.

[@UpUpDnDnLtRtLtRtBAStart]

Lol - the offices ARE extremely bright and sometimes disorienting.

[@yog4042]

the florescent lights make it so you spend most of your energy in the building and at home you're left with like 5% of your daily tank @@UpUpDnDnLtRtLtRtBAStart

[@MereAYT]

The two things employees want are what offices won't provide: convenient location close to home and private seating. Put personal offices with actual walls and doors for focus into local malls and employees will be glad to do five days a week onsite.

[@grege5074]

This happened to me. “Hey come back to the office” meanwhile i park in the yard, the office i have to share is locked half the time and i dont have a key and worse yet they moved the office from the city in which i live to an adjacent city which is a 60+ minute commute

[@necronlord52]

Ahaha, I quit my job once just because our bosses decided to switch to an open office concept. Suffered 3 month before I found another, normal job.

[@85jongo]

Never work for Hells Fargo bank. NEVER!

[@princessmarlena1359]

Good name for them. Also avoid Non Profit Organizations/Foundations. They are _evil_ !

[@judasdubois]

There is no amount of office bullshit that can make my commute worth it. My work requires us to be there twice a week and I fucking hate it.

[@msoldate]

Management: “Hopefully this pisses enough people off to quit so we don’t have to do layoffs”