The Rings of Power: Third Trailer Discussion

[@erkanyldz7233]

I always imagined Annatar to be a long haired elf looking guy. If that is Annatar he is absurdly standing out. I thought the whole purpose of Annatar was to blend in and get accepted.

[@PleaseNThankYou]

This Kat will likely fit in just fine, with all the other non-Elven looking characters.

[@erkanyldz7233]

@@PleaseNThankYou I must disagree, he has no elegance whatsoever.

[@farerawei2469]

@@erkanyldz7233 Is it confirmed yet? some people said that he's more of a Sauron/Melkor Cultist, i thought it's way to early for Sauron to appear in the show.

[@nikolajzachary1081]

@@farerawei2469 I have read that it's confirmed it is not. They have announced the casting of Sauron, and as it turns out the Eminem is a woman

[@erkanyldz7233]

@@farerawei2469 I’m not actually sure.

[@50ULL355]

"and then we have Eminem" That was so out of left field yet so accurate,I spat out my drink Edit: I actually love your idea of how they could integrate Sauron, I hope the showrunners have the creativity to do that

[@erkanyldz7233]

@Peak Aussieman That is Elendil. He was probably talking about that "Numenorean past" instead of "all the past" in general. At least that is what I hope.

[@josephbareham9037]

It's not even creative, that's literally how the character is written. They just need to follow the lore 😂

[@benjaminbreeg5326]

Galu: Goes on a rant about GaladRRRRiel. Galu 5 minutes earlier: NiRRRRnaeth ARRRRnoediad. And then proceeds to continue speaking normal english. Double standards here Galu. Double standards....

[@erkanyldz7233]

Thing is, I really love how Galu procounces Elvish languages.

[@armhelc7501]

I noticed that as well LOL. TBF Galu can back that up with some actual Sindarin.

[@mattburgess1957]

If they cast Galu as a background character with good pronunciation, which faction would he be with?

[@p.j.berger6631]

SDCC is San Diego Comic Con :)

[@siamath9954]

The banquet and the elven town at the beginning could also be Ost-in-Edhil, since that is where all the Noldor are and it's the Noldor that have good relations with the dwarves.

[@armhelc7501]

Unless the banquet is toward the very end of the season, it taking place in Eregion kind of diminishes Elrond's storyline of travelling to Khazad-dûm and meeting with the dwarves, as he is being sent as an envoy by Gil-galad. If the banquet takes place earlier on, Gil-galad could have just gone to Khazad-dûm himself. Unless the banquet is of course celebratory *and* takes place at the end (for a celebration, the Elf King doesn't look particularly happy).

[@mattburgess1957]

@@armhelc7501 I thought Elrond setting up Imladris was after Sauron attacked Eregion? It'd make sense for the banquet to be a meeting between the Dwarves, the Lindon elves and Celebrimbor's group.

[@daepappy]

SDCC is San Diego Comic-Con

[@SpecialOrder_937]

Haven’t seen this channel for years , I used to love the long Lore Vids you made 👍 Glad I found you again

[@Neltharions]

It's already confirmed that the white robed character is not Sauron. It's not even a man, but played by a woman with short hair. It's most likely going to be a cult of Melkor follower.

[@Makkaru112]

Thing is one of her other brothers had a GIANT story with the mortal woman name Andreth. do a video on it. ;3

[@Jordan-cs6bn]

Honestly man your breakdowns are a breath of fresh air keep up the great work bro!

[@Deathstrider]

I don't know much about pre-hobbit era so I am probably entirely wrong about this. However I can't get it out of my head that the image at 12:54 looks like the Iron Crown of Angmar. As well as the likely morgul blade that manifests out of thin air.

[@murqouttt8188]

One day there will be a first age trilogy that will be a good day

[@fabianustertius6460]

I hope i still alive to see that day, but i dont have the enough faith to see that future close enough :(

[@xbouxix]

btw Halbrand is Sauron, Eminen is juts a fan boy

[@Volkmargrim]

In the Peter Jackson trilogy they speck elvish and it sounds natural cause they say whole sentences and don't pick a couple words to awkwardly pronounce.

[@SkAnD1NaV1An]

A small correction on the faithful, I believe Elendil's father Amandil is the leader of the faithful up untill his sailing into the west. Excited to see what Amazon will make of this intriguing story-line.

[@Rrojas200]

The Shadow of X games have their issues. (I think theyre great) But, I will say they nailed Sauron's fair form. Hope we see something along those lines for this series.

[@corvus2512]

Have their issues? Mate those games are abominations when it comes to lore... they absolutely dig Tolkien’s body up, piss on it and slap it in the face. The level of disregard those games have for Tolkien’s lore is nothing short of criminal. The actual gameplay is very good and if it was set in a different setting it would be a fantastic game but they used the LOTR IP to get people in and then shit all over the lore. Why people are upset over this show (I too think this show will be bad) yet did not get mad over that game is absolutely hilarious to me

[@SpecialOrder_937]

@@corvus2512 Certainly sounds like you did get mad 🤣 And if the Tolkien estate cared about the source material and NOT RHE MONEY maybe we would get accurate adaptations But all they care about is money

[@XxRumoALibertadores]

When Galadriel arrived at the front of her army and shouted: "Autobots, transform!!" it really touched my heart!

[@ProvidenceNL]

For fuck sake, stop it with the unfunny unoriginal comments.

[@abelbabel8484]

I love these jokes so much 😂😂😂😂

[@ProvidenceNL]

@@abelbabel8484 Id find them alot funnier if a million people werent spamming them under every Lotr video.

[@abelbabel8484]

@@ProvidenceNL That's precisely why its funny 😂🤣

[@ProvidenceNL]

@@abelbabel8484 Guess some people are easy to please.

[@jensenhowell2827]

I thought the setting in the first scene was menegoth or whatever that dwarf elf city was called

[@Eriaslouis]

I would love it if they went full Palpatine , deception , with anatar

[@Cam-ss9rb]

there will be a prologue of first age stuff i reckon a bit like the opening of Fellowship

[@XxRumoALibertadores]

Surely the part where Winston Churchill asked Sauron "Should we bomb Dresden or Hamburg next?" literally gave me goosebumps. Exceptional storywriting and a love letter to Tolkien!

[@RevAnakin]

On the 1st Age Silmarillion rights, Amazon has directly negotiated with the Tolkien estate to use some of the key events of the first age in a 10 minute prologue AND flashbacks.

[@benjeffrey7577]

Great video. Do you plan on doing anymore lore videos?

[@ironwolvesproductions6283]

The Balrog shows up in Khazad-Dum in 2000 of the Third Age. I doubt that Balrog is in Khazad-Dum. Or at least it's nowhere near enough to show up

[@ric1194]

It also shows up to kill Durin VI not Durin IV, so that's another 2 of those and you never put Durins the a corner, you've got to give us the full line of Durin the Deathless!

[@SheppardOfNumenor]

Hey Galu, great to see you haven’t died of heatstroke I have to disagree with you on this one thing, the ocean. While Tolkien did suggest there were nameless things in the depths of the world (beneath the mountains and in the depths of the sea) it was suggested that Ulmo sought to cleanse the waters of any creature or servant of Melkor. Presumably Ulmo takes this as an aspect of his existence and considering Ulmo disagrees with Melkor to the nth degree on nearly everything. I think it is a far fetched idea to suggest there are creatures/ servants of Melkor in the sea frothing about as we have seen here. Rather what I think that scene may have been was Ossë as Tolkien said *that* specific Maia disliked the Elves and Men (probably didn’t acknowledge Dwarves). The Teleri were an exception for Ossë as those Elves LOVED the sea/ the shores and rivers and Ossë had a soft spot for them and likely shunned Noldorin for the Kin slaying. Ulmo and Ossë are said to take on clothing looking akin to a plethora of ocean terrain and aspects of creatures like maybe a coral crown and the scales of a creature and etc. Ossë was said to crash the boats of those whom came into his view though that could be a random creature who has a total disregard for boats.

[@philipdawes2661]

Well, on a the plus side, Amazon are no longer saying that this is an adaptation, it is now 'inspired by', 'based on', so not real Tolkien, just derivative fantasy. ________________________ Also, did you note that Miriel was holding a baby, hence why she is 'Queen Regent', but who will the father be?

[@Rachub]

You know what I've noticed about those who are criticizing the series before it's even begun? They're not Tolkien purists, as such, but rather people who seem to have quite a superficial (and narrow) understanding of his writing and who want to apply their limited knowledge to some obsessive anti-woke bandwagon that's infuriated by a black elf. Let's just see how it goes ffs. The first trailer didn't do much for me but the last two are making me excited! Just need to sign up to Prime I suppose...!!!

[@Rachub]

@Adam James Let alone the fact that Númenor had colonies in places like Harad. It's hardly a stretch that their culture was, at least to a degree, multiethnic. As Galu has said plenty of times, Gondor had a mediterranean climate so even there they're hardly going to be pasty white!

[@thehumanity3324]

Agree with this. Not too long ago I was also part of the prior cynically dissapointed crowd, especially because of how the Wheel of Time show kinda sucked (which I say as a die hard book fan). But these videos and this community did make me realise howw petty it is to be dissatisfied before release, and truth be told, its nice to feel excited about something

[@telemnarnumenorean8557]

@Adam James ancient african civilization? which one if I may ask? (I hope your answer is not egypt, because Egyptians were mediterranean, and not sub-saharan)

[@mattburgess1957]

@Adam James I'm intrigued, you got a link to a writeup somewhere?

[@XxRumoALibertadores]

Indeed the part where Winston Churchill asked Sauron "Should we bomb Dresden or Hamburg next?" literally gave me goosebumps. Exceptional storywriting and a love letter to Tolkien!

[@joelincz8314]

I really like your thoughts on this show, I hope they will do at least some of your suggested, time will tell.

[@colice]

Thats very cool and all - but when is v5 comming out?

[@mike-mz6yz]

does anyone have an understand of how the copyrights work? Like If an event is mentioned in the tale of years but not in details, then in other works it is more meshed out how does that work? Can they follow canon when showing the event even though the details they are drawing from arent owned by them since the event Is mentioned? Or since they dont own the actual story about that event do they need to either make up a new story or just mention the details contained in the tale of years. I feel like asking the show to stay in canon is impossible even if they wanted to because of copyrights being divided. Its like if you wanted to tell the Lord of the rings but only owned rights to the book two towers.

[@spinspir1741]

SDCC stands for San Diego Comic Con

[@hunsler1006]

I was hoping for another of these

[@christianefiorito3204]

You are probably too young to know what an extreme cultural Fenomenon Tolkiens books where in the 70 ties. I have dozens of friends who named their kids, Frodo, Galadriel or Gandalf. There where Gandalf for president stickers everywhere and the Beatles wanted to make the first lotr Film with Ringo as Frodo and Stanley Kubrick would have directed. But Tolkien did not want that. I am still a bit sad it never happened. And Bakschi did not only make the film, he is also the inventor of an iconic Hippie comic called Fritz the cat. Tolkien was almost a movement in the 70ties. Back to nature, away from industry...

[@Elfeal1]

I love these analysis

[@SpecialOrder_937]

If memory serves Sauron had already made the One before Númenor But did not take it to Númenor

[@armhelc7501]

I hope Simon Merrells is the one to play Annatar. He very much looks the part, and could quite well blend in with the Elves we've seen thus far.

[@Uberdude6666]

11:21 Also, those wounds do resemble claw-marks, which is what Finrod would have died from

[@mike-mz6yz]

when Sauron was in numenor everyone knew he was Sauron plus he had the rings made already. I think you mean he will be an advisor in eregion to the elves.

[@callumhumphreys444]

Thank you for everything Galu I’m am deeply saddened you are leaving us, but all good things come to an end.

[@mike-mz6yz]

one other thing I think is being missed....everyones saying how these events are being shrunk to one lifetime....but this is a trailer for the start of the first season not for the whole series. So we should expect the Balrog to be woken in season 1 same with everything else we are seeing. It just seems like they are rushing events way too much. The first season should not have that high of stakes...at least on the surface. The world should be pretty peaceful with everyone thinking the great enemy is gone. Then you have this beautiful smart kind elf show up and start influencing events while darkness slowly creeps back into the world. Maybe at the end of the first season you have a big event that makes it clear the time of peace is ending but for most of season 1 95% of the characters should believe there is nothing to worry about.

[@petulantpeterturbo]

Maybe that Eminem guy is the mouth of Sauron, but a different one for the numenorians? Or an entirely created character that’s something like “the eyes of Sauron” or something?

[@darius99zzz]

I'd like this "Eminem" Character to be the possible backstory for the Witch-King. My first thoughts about this winter location and the amboss within actually were, what if this is Angmar (Carn Dûm) and something symbolising the Iron Crown.

[@erkanyldz7233]

Can somebody tell me what is the background music at 20:30 ?

[@andrewplck]

Snap back to reality Oops, there go elven rings Oops, there go dwarven rings And the humanitie's ones They've got nine from me But they don't see the calamity As those they posses Will enslave them all to me. - Slim Sauron

[@EdgarStyles1234]

GET WOKE GO BROKE

[@wd2989]

Can you cite a reference for the witch king being Numenorean? I don’t recall that in the books at all.

The silmarillion states that three of the Nazgul were Lords of Numenor. I haven't met a LOTR fan who doesn't think the Witch-king is one of them.

[@angryengine9616]

I believe Boromir makes a similar statement about the nine in the book.

[@federicofelle6212]

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[@trollwayy5981]

Check the discord

[@Rachub]

I’m just thinking, do we know exactly what the series is aiming to, chronologically, or rather how far production has gone? Because it’s just hit me that one thing we just haven’t seen is anything at all about the rings? Because I assume they haven’t filmed them yet, so perhaps the first two-ish seasons in Númenor, and then it moves on towards th events preceding th Last Alliance?

[@josephbareham9037]

There are 5 seasons if I'm not wrong, I wouldn't expect to see the rings until the 2nd or 3rd

[@Rachub]

@@josephbareham9037 No nor me, I'm just sort of thinking how much they've filmed and how much of the trailer is 1st season. I think it's just me not getting into my head that this is just the 1st one!

[@robertmosley3127]

Regarding First Age stuff I did read in Empire Magazine a few months ago that due to a good working relationship with the Tolkein Estate Amazon have been given 'some leeway' on depicting things outside the material they, strictly speaking, have the rights too. Not sure how much they will get. Also, they are not Hobbits but a proto species...

[@GamingTremor]

I'm really hoping that is not Sauron as well. If it is I will be disappointed to have a creepy teen be the main villain.

[@JohnMiller-zr8pl]

That's not eminem that's an elf hunting Sauron, that think the meteor is, the real one is Halbrand, rescue by stunning and brave galaaadRiel.

[@BanazirGalpsi1968]

They do not have the rights to that map you showed. They can use the name numenor but they are not allowed to use the map, that would be breech of ip contract.

[@GregorSc]

I wonder about the mysterious naked man at the centre of the burning comet - that could be Sauron, since he appears quite different from the blonde cultist? I don't really think there's anyone else around at the time who could be arriving in Middle-Earth via meteor impact (wizards not showing up for a while; although that would be pretty funny having Gandalf arrive essentially shot out of a cannon from Aman)

[@GregorSc]

Also it might be an interesting alteration to the Nazgul lore if they could appear 'fair' while Sauron still could go about as Annatar and only become nightmare wraiths after he loses that power

[@JohnMiller-zr8pl]

13:40 no, no rings for the first 8 episodes in the show call the rings of Shaniq...powa.

[@wd2989]

And the balrog is awakened IN THE THIRD AGE 1980!!!

[@XxRumoALibertadores]

And the part when orc had to run away from their homeland because of the discrimination against them and their families by elves and humans still brings tears to my eyes.

[@petergeddes6652]

There are some saying that the balrog could be part of the first age flashback/prologue stuff. I'm not convinced, I'm more thinking that it's a tease for the next season.

[@Kalendar419]

Hey Galu, what do you think about “Eminem” being an very early Mouth of Sauron? Could be an interesting way of giving him a backstory. I’m not too certain if he already has one, but just a thought. I’m very excited for the show!!

[@alexanderromanov1587]

Mouth of sauron is a black numenorean hence he's a mortal with human life span, he lived towards the end of the third age, so that rules him out

[@McHobotheBobo]

Balrog awoke circa ~1850T.A.

[@jonathanparry7824]

Galu, what’s your honest opinion on how good you think the series will be, do you think it will be bloody awful, decent or really quite good?

[@nicolaufialho9104]

What if eminem, who clearly seems to be a sorcerer with the whole fire leaf thing, is the guy that will later be the witch king of angmar. Witchcraft seems to be something he has. Would be so awesome

[@pwmiles56]

I don't think the "table" scene can be Lothlorien as that was never Gil-Galad's hangout. Most likely it is Lindon. But hey, lore is no guide here. It is a fairy feast, a favourite theme in Tolkien, got up as a power lunch. After the creepy scene with Theo, I think we see the "orc in the kitchen" which was a running joke on the set.

[@armhelc7501]

It certainly looks like Lindon, the trees are very similar to those featured in the awards ceremony with the white knights. It also doesn't make a whole lot of sense for Gil-galad to have sent Elrond as an envoy to Khazad-dûm if he himself was going to Lórien.

[@ocadioan]

Couldn't it just be Eregion? It shouldn't have been destroyed yet(unless they somehow decide to do the forging of the rings and war of Elves and Sauron before the start of the show called Rings of Power).

[@pwmiles56]

@@ocadioan Yes it could be Eregion. I think it gets founded during the series (going off Lakhitia on Fellowship of Fans). Yes it would make sense for Durin IV to be there

[@bryancaulfield2066]

Its meant to be the made up man character Halbrand who is Sauron. Which doesn't make sense unless they're going to make Galadriel completely stupid as well as inaccurate lore wise. He's literally with her on the raft and riding around with her in multiple scenes.

[@menukjau]

Tol-in-Gaurhoth cannot be in a wintery waste land. I believe that was the remnants of Utumno, the first fortress of Morgoth that likey survived the destruction of Beleriand. Sauron could have fled and hid there after the War of the Wrath. You see Galadriel searching for him in the northern wastelands.

[@armhelc7501]

The way the trailer is framing things it certainly seems like an Utumno remnant, or some such outpost of evil.

[@christianefiorito3204]

They made Simon Tolkien the advisor to the show after they sacked Shippey. That means they can pretty much do whatever they want.

[@dantrequartista]

I'm hoping that's not Sauron. Unless he takes another form when he's interacting with Elves. That could be the way they go, where the audience doesn't know that two characters are actually the same person.

[@LyricalDJ]

It couldn't be , really, could it? Sauron is hardly known for his cultist looks and rituals.

[@mattburgess1957]

I really like the idea of Eminem being part of a pre-existing Morgoth cult in Numenor. Besides everything else, it'd be good to see the decline and decay of the Numenorians, rather than having everything be just Sauron's fault. Some Ringwraiths would be cool to see as well, that guy's magic is similar to Morgul stuff from the films. I'm a bit skeptical about the Balrog. It kinda makes sense to address him, just because film-watchers only know Khazad Dum as 'that place where the Balrog was'. But they'll need some reason why Sauron doesn't use him, and some reason why Elrond/Galadriel don't know that he's still there in the late Third Age.

[@CG-or1re]

i want ar pharazon to be an absolutely central character with a macbeth like trajectory, and sauron in his ear much like iago. basically they should just rip off shakespeare

[@dnaseb9214]

I am skipping it. If anyone wants to watch it, pirate it.

[@jamaly77]

Imagine giving Jeff Bezos your money. Oh wait, basically all of you do that on a regular basis.

[@dnaseb9214]

@@jamaly77 I never buy anything from amazon. So not all of us

[@jamaly77]

@@dnaseb9214 Fair, me neither. Most people do though.

[@dnaseb9214]

@@jamaly77 Thats why its important to push people against these amssive corporations

[@abelbabel8484]

Yarrharr fiddle de dee

[@akiramasashi9317]

I absolutely lost it when MC Slim Sauron showed up. I have been laughing almost non-stop since the trailer came out.

[@samoppedisano3994]

I think the old guy who says Sauron is in Harad, so maybe it makes sense that he doesn’t know the proper sindarin pronunciation.

[@siamath9954]

Also, my contribution to the round of applause for Galu getting the timeline correct :)

[@armandicus7261]

Pleasd let sauron be a cute twink Pleasr let sauron be a cute twink Please let sauron be a cute twink Oh god i beg of you please let them not take this away from me

[@abelbabel8484]

Get help, man.

[@armandicus7261]

@@abelbabel8484 it is too late I got tumblr brain

[@SpecialOrder_937]

Hearing your excitement for this show because of your knowledge of what they are adapting is great All I’ve seen online is “TOLKIEN FANS HATE RINGS OF POWER “ Videos and I’ve been thinking are they really Tolkien fans or are they they Peter Jackson LOTR fans I’m a massive fan of the books and the only real worry I’ve had about the show is the fact they don’t have the silmarillion rights and the condensing of time lines ( in a way it makes sense because we would go through so many Mortal characters & actors 🤣) Unless they told it all from the perspective of the Elves which they haven’t

[@zacharyvargas2205]

They're Tolkien fans, this show pisses on Tolkien's works and ignores what they are. People are pissed because they don't want race politics and feminism shoved into Tolkien's work where they don't belong.

[@SpecialOrder_937]

@@zacharyvargas2205 I’m a Tolkien fan , and I’m not seeing any of what you’re talking about in the trailers other than LOTS of diversity I’m seeing Númenor at its height just before the fall , the Bliss of the Two Trees , a possible glimpse at the battle of sudden flame The aftermath of the battle of unnumbered tears Khazad-Dûm filled with light & life Celebrimbor THE RING MAKER Theses are the things I’m seeing as a Tolkien fan The only problem I’m have is the condensing of time

[@SpecialOrder_937]

Highlight that one ^

[@angamaitesangahyando685]

@@zacharyvargas2205 There are different kinds of Tolkien fans. In Russia, Tolkien is almost a religion (among many people), and you have a fandom torn asunder, with one great translator Julia Monday taking the side of Putin's Orcs, and Anariel Rowen the side of the Western Elves in Ukraine. Sister against sister. - Adûnâi

[@Emanon...]

Annatar as an "Evil Emo Eminem"? Oh shit...

[@sirharken821]

Really hope they don't have Eminem awaken the Balrog as I think that totally ruins the story of the dwarves

[@Eluxor]

As a fan of LOTR for many years, maybe in a casual way for some, a hardcore for non fans. I can only say one thing. I gotta see the show to get an opinion, you never know. Maybe it wont be as bad. Maybe it will be utter horrible. But who knows, after all, I would have followed Ar-Pharazon.

[@doomsdaybooty1072]

Lol appreciate the honesty

[@halokiller031]

I just looked up galadriels actress and she is 162cm , woah that's short. Is she described as being a short elf in the books?

[@tarmairon431]

She is tall for an elvish woman, 193 cm, but for example Elendil is 241 cm tall.

[@nmmrg]

umm that first scene already put me off with the bad cgi. How are helmets stacked like that? did a giant carefully stack them on top of each other? does the chick have force powers to push back an edge without shifting anything? It absolutely looks like it should break apart and scatter but instead it looks like they're glued together. never read the books though. Is that actually supposed to be a crafted monument?

[@TheAUTcheker]

man.. this looks nothing like tolkiens world... too bad, we couldve had a cool series

[@knightslegion1731]

Overall, this is the first trailer that actually made me interested in watching the show. Up until this point, I was in more of an obligatory mindset.

[@joshuavanniekerk4524]

How much did Amazon pay you?

[@Ian-jy5ng]

I agree. Sauron should appear like Annatar, lord of gifts, not like a throwback emo serial killer. He needs to be convincing as someone who charmed and fooled Celebrimbor.

[@MauriceTarantulas]

Lenny Henry!😂. But he's from the Midlands so brill.

[@orclover2353]

New World the Series...stunning for about 10 minutes and then you realize this was made by an algorithm designed by bots to "make generic modern human happy".

[@JYN5304]

Imagine if someone at amazon watched your nazgûl lore videos 😁

[@pwmiles56]

We know Galadriel doesn't get to Numenor until after the meteor and the shipwreck, so probably in the second episode. This will be the time for the "loredump" via the Palantir. I.e. traditional second-chapter exposition. So we won't start with a Prologue. The opening scene is reliably rumoured to be Galadriel being bullied. By boys. In my limited knowledge girls are far more likely to be bullied by other girls.

[@armhelc7501]

Fellowship of Fans has stated that the first episode is *heavy* on Elder Days exposition, so that might shoot down the Palantir flashback-theory, or at least this version of it. It could be a way of introducing flashbacks later in the show though.

[@squaeman_2644]

This gives off middle schooler blonde girl type energy... Perhaps that's who it's for...

[@thebeastofrome3600]

SDCC = San Diego Comic Con xd

[@cubablue602]

Forget everything Tolkien and the lore for a moment. Anyone who thinks this is a good trailer is kidding themselves. It's a MESS. People who know the minutiae of the legendarium are NOT the market here, that's the casual audience and the casual audience is one thing - confused. My point is this: How can the most expensive production ever made put out a trailer so amateurish in its structure and execution and, even more importantly, what does that bode for the rest of the show?

[@squaeman_2644]

@@emerald10005 Well that's their broader audience they're acertaining to... People who have no actual knowledge of the source material.

[@davidgreenwood5160]

Thanks Gaul I like your balanced and fair comments. I see myself as a kind of lower tier Tolkien fan. I’ve read the books 30+ times the Silmarillion half a dozen and so plus Unfinished Tales. So I know a bit. Not as much as you but more than many. I think this series will be OK. Not entirely true to the original writings but no adaptation ever is. Plus as you have mentioned there ain’t that much original material so if they were “true” to it would probably only be an hour or so long! (That’s hyperbole by the way) The main thing that bothers me about some of the negativity around it is the thinly disguised racism that underlies it. People saying they long for the Peter Jackson films because they are true to the Cannon. Really I must have been reading a different J R R Tolkiens works all these years! The only thing that stands out to me as the difference is that the films stuck to the whole White people good black people bad aspect of the stories which in my opinion is not Tolkiens finest hour. I don’t think he was being deliberately racist just reflecting the times in which he lived but to argue that Black actors shouldn’t be able to play Elves or Dwarves or good people is unacceptable.

[@davidgreenwood5160]

@@emerald10005 I can only agree that my use of the phrase “thinly disguised racism “ was unhelpful and I will happily withdraw it. There hasn’t been any effort to disguise the racism. I don’t intend to engage in a long discussion on this because I don’t believe that you or any of the others who have made these points don’t know their racist. To be clear believing that someone cannot or should not do a thing (whatever that thing is) because of their race or the colour of their skin is racist. It is pretty much the definition of racist and you know that. The argument about what Tolkien based his stories on is simply an effort to justify the racism. The idea that people of different races cannot play certain parts is an argument that belongs in the 1940’s and 50’s it is tired and outdated and has for so long been discounted that to use here is pathetic. Do the themes and philosophy of Tolkiens writings depend on the colour of the skin of the actor who plays a role. What an absurd idea. It is worth saying that Tolkien wanted to create a mythology for the English so Lenny Henry has more right to be in a Tolkien programme than any of the white American actors do. Do the arguments stack up? No even the term Anglo Saxon is a dubious one. A term that has its route in 18th and 19th century ideas of racial purity used mainly to justify Empire and has very little real historical merit Finally the idea that ancient Europe was exclusively white is also untenable. The Roman Empire moved people from all parts of Europe and the Middle East and North Africa to all its parts. It is worthy of note that there were Black Africans in what is now known as England before the so called Anglo-Saxons arrived one of the oldest examples of a letter found in England was written by one. I am not writing this for you but for any one else who might read your or anyone else’s similar comments and be seduced by the appearance of reasonableness. As I said I am not going to enter into a debate and will make no further comments

[@squaeman_2644]

@@davidgreenwood5160 blah blah blah I just want people to be racist so I can scream I'm opreased blah blah blah look how important and stuck up I am blah blah...

[@Manchevo]

That "Sauron" looking dude doesn't look like Eminem at all xD

[@abyssprimus]

Must be far-sighted

[@oliverlennox6828]

SDCC ; San Diego Comic Con

[@communist-hippie]

The only thing i hate with your videos. Is that they eventually end :)

[@jerryknuckles736]

That's not sauron. I think it's just an accolade of his. A true believer trying to bring about sauron or some shit. Maybe sauron possessed her or some shit.

[@abyssprimus]

I'm looking forward to roast this show for years and make fun of it everywhere

[@Peecamarke]

So you’re active LOOKING to hate this series that you haven’t even watched or know much about yet? Got it

[@XxRumoALibertadores]

@@Peecamarke Yeah the part where Winston Churchill asked Sauron "Should we bomb Dresden or Hamburg next?" literally gave me goosebumps. Exceptional storywriting and a love letter to Tolkien!

[@daepappy]

Translation: you're looking forward to wasting time.

[@abyssprimus]

@@daepappy Man I loved it when Galadriel said "Yankee with no brim" and by the grace of Eru Illuvatar Celeborn ceased to ever exist!

[@squaeman_2644]

@@abyssprimus not even Tolkein could write such powerful poetry!

[@JohnMiller-zr8pl]

Aren't you annoyed that galaaadRiel has became a Xena (the only way a woman can be strong, when she behaves like a man) and meets people she never met? Among many other things that never happened.

Three comments? You realise that commenting just means more people will see this? You are just spreading the word about the series without even realising it. And no, I don't care about anything you have brought up already.

[@nikoszaxarias5200]

Hello, friend. Well, you stated your opinion, which is respected. I have mine, which you can find in the other video discussing the previous trailer of the series. I don't need to repeat it, obviously... Well, we have a different opinion in some subjects. I watched the trailer through the Daily Mail site, which under it there are some screenshots explaining some of the scenes. The Silvan Elf is surely Arondir, a name which I like. Eminem is an interesting option for an evil character, as he's a singer, not an actor; though I believe he fits perfectly for the role. I do believe he's Sauron. We haven't seen him as Annatar yet, only when he has the "nice" form, but shows his real face. Why I say that? Because I don't think that any Nazgul, not even the Witch King himself, has the power to wake up a Balrog. Sauron, as the Balrogs are Maiar, while the Nazgul are Humans. Waking a Balorg is something that a Human, no matter how powerful he can become, cannot do in any way. My problem is that we haven't seen Celeborn, nor Elendil and his sons, Isildur and Anarion. We also don't see Celebrimbor, the real crafter of the Rings of Power. And it's too early to speak for the Nazgul, though we can have some sort of their background, how their character is shaped until they accept the Rings of Power, that Sauron gives to them. In the era that we speak, either in Middle Earth or in Numenor, those characters are actually vital, the story cannot exist in any way without them. All in all, I understand why the production team has made so many assumptions, however, even for this series, these omissions are a grave mistake. I'm not a die-hard fan of Tolkien, however I think that this story, as it is a prelude to the Lord of the Rings, has to have a good amount of compliance with Tolkien's world. It feels empty without the characters that are so vital to this story (can anyone forge the Rings of Power without Celebrimbor, their crafter?..). If the team wants a success of this series, they have to comply with Middle Earth and Tolkien's work. This is why the Lord of the Rings and Hobbit movies had so much of a success. And this series will not have the same success, it goes too far from the Middle Earth lore, far from what can be accepted. Have a nice time.

[@andrewjenkins7333]

Thanks for the discussion on pronunciation. I think you should pronounce the 'h' in Khazad Dum. See the second letter of the Bengali alphabet: 'kh' kzbin.info/www/bejne/onLNdnuOhMxoY8k

[@abdel-rahmansaid6094]

I heard Galadriel’s husband is dead in the show

[@Huskytabby]

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