the rise and fall of jesy nelson (the little mix feud)

[@nanudv]

little mix fans started calling jesy on her blackfishing BEFORE she left the group. i know some fans called her out before the sweet melody video come out but when it did, more fans joined trying to educate her about it. thats when she blocked fans too. and she continued doing it after she left the band. Also the girls themselves confront her about it when she was still in the band. i think it's important to add.

[@thicczagoon]

Only chronically online people care that much about her hairstyle and clothes. Sure, you can say the tans and darkened skin color are questionable, but then again some people have skin that tans quickly and easily in the sun. I never once thought Jesy was black or biracial. She doesn’t wear box braids or anything that was cultivated in black culture, and honestly I can say the people calling her out are the ones stereotyping black American fashion and culture

[@OGseoulite]

@@thicczagoonit’s not people who are chronically online. It’s fans who also seen them in real life and have been to concerts myself. There’s NO reason for a white woman to be that tanned other than to pass off as ambiguously adjacent to another race. It was a whole ass trend among white women from 2014 and even up to this day. There was a woman who went viral because she believed she really “became” black because she tanned herself dark enough. There’s whole ass video essays I have watched myself documenting these very topics & it’s not people who are chronically online critiquing this form of minstrel show, you’re projecting you’re on an insecurities. It was people who felt affected by people like Jesy IN REAL LIFE speaking. You couldn’t have been there at the time to understand where the rots to the black fishing issue came from & you speak ignorantly. You need to seriously educate yourself on the harm that blackfishing was before just jumping to say whatever.

[@relaxationmusicbodyandmind6265]

@@nanudv BF is subjective. The question is whether someone who tans as they do really trying to be black or racially ambiguous. In Jesys defence I'd say NO. But she is being blamed because people thought she was mixed. No one wants to be told how to look or dress so if she blocked people I am not surprised. There are people who try to pass off as black unfortunately Jesy has been used as a scapegoat. Her Haters and jealous people have used this to cancel her making her an example of blackfishing. Should they ban tan to appease black culture. Mind you some people tan dark naturally. As 4 the Boyz vid she was paying homage to the original vid and there were white actors in the vid.

[@tanalee837]

@@thicczagoon ignorant rationalization

[@tanalee837]

@@OGseoulite exactly!!!

[@freckled-jellyfish]

It's honestly so sad because I definitely looked up to her and how she had to stand her ground in such a toxic industry but then she went ahead and ruined everything for herself. The way she just sat there, said nothing and occasionally laughed during "the livestream" tells me all I need to know about her character, even after all this time of following her career. Most people wouldn't just let someone shit on their supposed best friends/sisters for 12 minutes straight PUBLICLY and afterwards go "oh there's no bad blood between us" like GIRL speak up then ? 💀

[@hellohoneyfernishere7301]

Idk I think there was already drama during the confetti era. Idk if the girls actually knew if jesy was gonna leave or not but there were pretty obvious signs something went down between Perrie and jesy and the girls sided with perrie

[@tanalee837]

EXACTLY!!!

[@staryashine3806]

Well jade perrie and leighanne are still friends ❤

[@Senate300]

In fact they fully support each other's solo works.

[@tanalee837]

so is Jade!

[@Shyreenify]

I think her story is so tragic from beginning to end. Relentlessly bullied all her life, given a terrible song/optics when she tried to establish herself as a solo artist, relentlessly bullied for that too. And now she's pretty much dissapeared with her last release being almost 1 year old. It's just sad. She never had anyone telling her she was good enough the way she is Stream bad thing

[@Jumbaride]

Agreed. People are quick to jump all over someone without knowing all the facts. Many people online seem to justify their hatred with a misguided notion of support for someone else. If the people tearing Jesy down put even half that energy into getting involved with politics, change might actually have a chance of happening.

[@hellohoneyfernishere7301]

Yeah I honestly do think this whole thing was blown over by people around jest like Nicki and what not. Was jesy controversial yes but compared to other cancelled celebrities something doesn’t feel righht

[@OpenMuso]

I 10000% agree that she was relentlessly bullied from the Xfactor days all through her time in Little Mix but Iwhen it comes to how things happened around her solo debut, you cannot erase Jesy's agency in the situation. She defended that song to the hilt and went on and on about having grown up listening to Bad Boy music and that being the kind of music she's always wanted to make. She wasn't just given the song and she wasn't just given those optics. She actively chose them. She blackfished and threw racialised stereotypes into her music because that was what she wanted to do (despite both LM fans and her bandmates having spoken to her about how problematic her blackfishing had become). She thought it made her look cool and edgy and maybe in the early 2000s it might have but in a world where people are much more politically aware, it makes you look problematic af and insensitive. Her career dwindling is largely a reflection of that.

[@tanalee837]

please. She was bullied and then turned into one

[@DeeL3]

The Santana Lopez shirt is everything!

[@EmilySpeight]

Thanks for explaining all of this. it's really sad how all of the drama went down between the girls, I hope they make up at some point

[@bouncyshak]

Not me watching this and watching Leigh's story at the same time and seeing that she posted your TikTok!

[@_danieleffer]

AH YESSSSS!! literally screaming

[@ahmedkuti2531]

I've known little mix almost all my life through my sister. As a Nigerian, my sister would listen to their songs daily and that was how I became a fan. I'd watch their music videos, like it, and then come back to them the next 5 months. It's just so heartbreaking to know they've split up. God, they were so perfect together.

[@darraghcollins1374]

I was a fan of little mix but now I’m a fan of Leigh Anne cause her music has been good

[@_danieleffer]

her music is amazing, what’s your fave track?

[@darraghcollins1374]

@@_danieleffer stealing love

[@pinkvenomblackpinkscomeback]

she got no good promotions so far, she has so much potential, her team n label better do something great, or maybe she should FIRE/LEAVE her team?

[@ellaronci2703]

i will watch literally any video on this topic lol what a time to be on stan twt

[@ellaronci2703]

you always have the most iconic shirts omg

[@_danieleffer]

haha thank u 💅

[@LisaDavies-c2t]

Any True Fan of Little Mix shouldn't forget or stop Appreciating Jesy Nelson's part in Little Mix ❤ #Sorry I love the 4 of them - them fuming with each other isn't my business - am just fan of their music 😊 The bit with Niki - you made a point - It was Niki, Not Jesy - if you said something about someone, and I don't react (or laughed) is that my fault - are your actions my fault? No! Sorry I disagree with the notion 👍

[@MrJacksparrow07]

Me too. Jesy made mistakes but to wipe her out from the band permanently is unnecessary and they aren’t as marketable as a trio. 10 years time - 4 piece reunion. Might even be quicker based on the solo careers so far

[@nakyumleftnips8633]

It is so sad, jesy is so talented and she fit with the girls perfectly. I think all the hate must've been getting to her

[@daerincakes]

Thats not an excuse to use a race as an aesthetic though

[@millieboon]

I wouldn’t really called it a feud when they haven’t addressed (as in haven’t been bitchy or said anything bad ) it publicly, yes maybe behind the scenes there was obviously disagreements but the girls have kept it professional, but it’s quite funny when nicki went on but was basically just fighting the air

[@_danieleffer]

yeah the whole time jesy / nicki where just arguing with a brick wall, it was fan behaviour 😭

[@LuisGustavoSO]

​@@_danielefferjust Nicki. Other than that live, Jesy only spoke highly of the girls and praised them in every interview. And I don't even know why people were surprised Nicki Minaj tried to start a fight, that's her entire shtick for years now.

[@ManLikeChesh]

As someone whos mainly a rap fan but loves keeping up with pop culture as a whole your channel is amazing, keep it up man you got a new sub in me

[@retatato]

you’re such a positive and sweet person, thank you so much for being so precise and respectful

[@_danieleffer]

aww this is so sweet thank u

[@KeatsLB]

saying in 100 years time people will not associate Jesy with Little Mix is kinda wrong, you seem to have forgotten that for almost 10 years Jesy was part of LM and released they released their most successful music while Jesy was a member, Jesy was a huge part of Little Mix and always will be somewhere in the background when people think of them.

[@_danieleffer]

i didn’t mean it THAT seriously when saying she will be forgotten lols

[@simplypaul8681]

You seem to have forgotten your sense. In 100 years nobody remember little mix nevermind Jesy

[@fashionlover5195]

@@_danielefferdon’t let them silence you king!

[@hellohoneyfernishere7301]

Yeah tbh I don’t see any of their solo careers going to far even in the uk due to a variety of reasons I mean perrie could barely crack the top ten debut abd Leighanne hasn’t ever.

[@Cutejess2407]

Jade looks like most likely to succeed. Love AOMD ^

[@milan9910]

instantly, lit less than 5 min and already liked and suscribed to your channel, the vibes are immaculate

[@_danieleffer]

this is so sweet, ty sending luv 🫶🏼

[@ellaronci2703]

PLEASE do a video on syco management!! as a 1d and little mix stan id eat that up

[@_danieleffer]

oooo this is a good idea !!

[@milan9910]

i second this idea, will love to hear ur opinion and the drama deconstructed hahaha

[@chrissy1581]

This was such a thorough and detailed explination, thank you so much!

[@katek8311]

I dont like how things went, but I also hate how quick the fandom was to jump against her. Like they were waiting for her to leave. Saying little mix works better as a trio and that she wasnt needed and its just sad because little mix always stood for empowerment and unity and people just leave her out of that. They were amazing as 4 and all super talented

[@pennalopievalentine6604]

She didn’t actually stand for those things tho, or if she did it was only if it benefited her, that’s why the fans were also so hurt. Bc she acted very different publicly until she left the band, you can tell she had a certain image she wanted to maintain within little mix and that changed when she left so of course fans stopped liking her.

[@Aeunax123]

The fandom didn’t turn against her just out of nowhere. Even when Boyz dropped they were still supportive of her - giving the side eye a little bit bc it really felt like when she left it was bc she didn’t want to be in the spotlight anymore and SOOOO soon after started dropping music so people got a little confused and speculation started. But really it was after The Livestream because exactly as he said, she talked bad about the group and let Nicki complete disrespect Leigh after she had just given birth (also after a very short while prior they thanked and dedicated their Brit to Jesy even after her sudden departure from the band). Everyone could tell that she was not extending the same grace to them as they were, at least publicly. Unfortunately she made her bed. And this is coming from someone who Jesy was my fave member in the group.

[@tanalee837]

LM are better without a hypocritical energy suck...

[@seyiann266]

Wow this was amazing. In my own opinion, since Jesy was aware that after the last tour they’d go on a hiatus, she should have waited for just a while then when they go on break she can then start her solo career. But leaving way early is just so 🥺

[@Senate300]

Exactly. By quitting before that, Jesy jumped the shark too early and began her solo career from a weak position.

[@seyiann266]

@@Senate300 yes fr

[@seyiann266]

@@Senate300 if she had started now like the rest are doing then she’d have been great

[@Senate300]

@@seyiann266 The whole shame of it all is Jesy's 2nd single Bad Thing did her voice the most justice and was miles better than Boys. What Leigh Anne, Perrie and Jade did was take the time out and hone in on their individual sound.

[@seyiann266]

@@Senate300 that’s right. If she had started with bad things she’d have done better

[@KeatsLB]

also the fan message with Leigh and the fan was completely fake

[@keojiabrown6807]

Something is seriously wrong with the dude that's started all of this.😒😤

[@raejae5565]

Was this actually confirmed? I'm such a Leigh stan but I feel like if it was fake she would've just come out and said it, or even told Jesy behind the scenes

[@keojiabrown6807]

@raejae5565 The dude that stated everything came out after the fact and said that jesy team made him do it(i dont beleive that but this shows he just says things), plus some of the screenshots he provided were clearly edited. On some leighanne was verified some she wasn't and some of the lining of the ui didn't align. Honestly, his credibility was so bad that I don't know how people ever believed him.

[@pennalopievalentine6604]

You do NOT sound ridiculous at all!! You sound like a human who has grown up alongside this bands journey. Especially after saying your adhd is a big reason for your obsession, maybe it’s a special interest never be ashamed of that just stick to your opinions and don’t be mean! (Which you do perfectly)

[@MS251-n7y]

The issue with Jesy is, that both her band mates, specially Jade & Leigh Anne had conversations about her blackfishing while being in the band, but she refused to listen or change.. Fans of the band, the mixers we also raised out concerns, and tried to educate Jesy, and tell her, why it was wrong and that she should stop the heavy self tanning as she’s trying to change her appearance to come across as she’s a woman of colour, when she isn’t, she’s a white woman.. so we raised our concerns & we didn’t like what she was doing and called her out.. we were met with a lot of hospitality, she decided to not only delete alot of comments but she also blocked a lot of mixers, which meant that she didn’t care and didn’t wanted to change. When boyz was released, she was rightfully so accused of black fishing and also playing on problematic stereotypes towards black men. She then tried to act like the victim, acted like she didn’t know anything, and that no one had told her or had a conversation with her regarding this, which failed miserably. She was exposed and that’s why she flopped as most of the general public didn’t like her, and most of mixers also distanced themselves from her, like we should. She did this to herself

[@Aprilb3667]

Honestly Jesy was always my least favorite so I wasn’t upset by her leaving. Then when her and Nicki came at my sweet Leigh-Anne over a fake dm she honestly dead to me. Leigh has been my favorite since the beginning I love the other girls too but she always has a special place in my heart.

[@snd0ll4v3r]

even normani has had a better debut roll out than jesy 😭😭

[@Luv1ne]

Try looking at it from Jesy's perspective though, if this girl who you once thought of as a best friend had just called you a horrible person, would you really defend HER when she's called a jealous clown by someone defending YOU? I don't think those text messages were real, however its clear that both Jesy and Nicki did and the impact of them was felt. I wish a public statement was made about the authenticity of those said text messages (something that involved them) instead of the authenticity of Jesy's tan (something that didn't involve them).

[@Aprilb3667]

Except the dm was fake and even if it was real Leigh had every right to be upset over it as a black woman

[@lizknives]

Hearing you say the Confetti album visual wasn't their best or worst makes me wanna see how you would rank their albums 😂

[@tomlittlestone3388]

I became a fan bc of Black Magic and from then I followed them until the year before LM5 came out (other interests). It was maybe one of the best times for me, who just loves music. All the drama behind happened afterwards. I only know, that people called her names before, talked about her body shape all the time and actually only cared about Leigh-Anne, Jade and Perrie. So even back then you could tell that she was always the outcast. But Little Mix wouldn't have worked without her. Many people forgot that back then or simply ignored it. Unfortunately, the things went downhill, as described here. Since the British press (yellow press) likes to write what makes headlines and not the truth, I was always skeptical. It's good that there are channels like you that are much closer to the people. It's really sad the path Jesy has taken. It would probably have been best to say goodbye in peace, but unfortunately you can't turn back time. I'm currently enjoying Jade's debut. I hope you like it :)

[@winxmonsterhighforever22]

actually i think that everything jesy had for her album she cant release right now because she was dropped from the label so that album is not coming any sooner…not that many people care

[@BarryBobbins]

I could never honestly take to Jesy in all honesty. I have never been a fan of her voice, I felt like she went through a lot of men. When she Little Mix the way she treated the girls was so, so nasty. You could tell how much it affected the girls too.

[@Cutejess2407]

I love your shirt ❤️

[@MarlissaMendez]

Your shirt is everything to me

[@daerincakes]

Fake tan is extremely common in the uk but what Jesy did is that she wore cornrows ( is that the correct term ? ), like box braids essentially, and used a historical black protective hairstyle as an aesthetic, fully aware that there was a black woman in her group. Yes you can fake tan but your race doesn't change because of that. Jesy is a white woman at the end of the day. Like if I was leigh then I'd feel so unheard and dehumanised by her, like using someone's elses race as a moneterial benefit and aesthetic is so tone deaf and disrespectful to what the minority races have faced simply because of their skin colours or features. And it doesn't even seem like she ( Jesy ) is ashamed of it either. I'm obviously not supporting her because of this and the whole fued in general but if she did make an apology then I hope that it's a damn good one. And the funny thing is, that I'm not even a person of colour, I'm a white person, like Jesy.

[@Sammy-jh6fz]

Little Mix were waaay way better as a 4 piece, they were more marketable and more successful....all of their biggest hits,Awards and achievements was with the 4 members, none of their music as a trio was a big hit!!I like the Confetti remix,which was successful,but Jesy was already in the original Album version too

[@nesquik8214]

There was a rumor that she wanted to do a tell all documentary... and she didn't always said the all truth before so... let's wait

[@maren.concerts]

Hi, I just watched the whole video and have something to say. 😅 The whole Jesy leaving situation (with the blocking etc.) and the livestream was definitely a shitty move but what I didn’t understood back then and still don’t understand is the black-fishing-thing. Tbh I don’t get the point. Everyone can tan how they want and just because you fill your lips doesn’t mean you try to look like a person of color. I think you can’t prescribe anything to a person. If I would like to tan, I will do that and just because some people have a problem with that, doesn’t mean they have to call me out for it. I don’t mean to be rude to anyone but that whole cancelling people situation our society is currently in is just so bad. Also I hate the phrase: “we try to educate you, because it’s problematic what you do.” (no matter the topic) is an absolute no-go for me (especially on social media). If a person doesn’t like what a celebrity is doing, then this person should just unfollow. I would not listen if people tell me what to do and try to educate me, they simply don’t have the right to put their opinion on my life. (It’s really hard for me to express how I see it, I hope you get it!)

[@elisap7191]

I totally get what you mean and I really agree! I'm honestly so happy you speak up about this ❤

[@BeccasaurousRex270]

She didn’t just get a little tan, she was darker than actual black people (Nicki Minaj for example). She changed her WHOLE look to appear as a black woman in hip hop. Now that she’s not trying to be a hip hop artist (she flopped, album cancelled and got dropped from her label) she’s back to looking like a white girl and not racially ambiguous

[@katherinerayner3539]

Personally I don't believe it was jessy intension to upset people and one the videos if you listen to and watch what jessy saying and also on the other hand I do understand why someone people maybe feeling the way they are feeling but also hear out Nickis side to

[@katherinerayner3539]

I get how it's made people feel I really do .I guess what I'm saying is I do feel jessy opology is sincere and I do see how upset she is but also God its difficult the whole thing just please listen to both sides nick m and jessy please

[@fashionlover5195]

Loved the video! New subscriber 😊

[@VyHuynh202177]

Check out a girl group XG. If you want rap, check their song Woke Up. If you want R&B, check out their song Left Right.

[@daerincakes]

fellow alphaz hereeee

[@nanudv]

if they ever reunite (🤞) i dont see jesy in it. i mean i dont see fans or the girls okay with it.

[@_danieleffer]

i always wonder how it would go down if jesy was part of a reunion tour 😭 but i totally agree, little mix will probably forever be a trio now

[@MrJacksparrow07]

@@_danielefferto be honest I think it would be okay. Jesy’s done stuff that wasn’t great but also I think she’s very naive and has made mistakes. I think the girls will forgive

[@garyreed724]

As solo artists Jade is the most amazing, but as little mix they were far better as a 4 piece.

[@ntombizanelejob]

🎀

[@relaxationmusicbodyandmind6265]

So far LM have done worse without he. Also she did better than LA and PE with her debut solo single. What she could have done if she was not sabotaged. I mean she was kinda dark in the Think About Us vid. No one said anything interesting. ... Anyhow Jesy is good her talent stands tall

[@MrJacksparrow07]

Little Mix will always be four girls. They can claim what they want about being a 3 but they simply aren’t the same ‘product’ as a 3 and the low single positions showed it. I love them all but please only come back as a 4. Jesy was in the band far too long to not be there no matter what has happened

[@daerincakes]

You're clearly looking at this at a surface level, yes they did acheive more success as a four peice, but just because YOU prefer them as a four does not mean that they ARE a four. Selfish man. Like imagine how you would feel if you kept telling your bandmate to stop using your race, culture and history as an aesthetic but she just didn't. You wouldn't feel seen, you wouldn't feel heard, you'd want to cut them off and not have them in your life anymore if they're not giving you the time of day like you are to them.

[@MrJacksparrow07]

@ I am purely talking about them from a commercial point of view. As a three, they just aren’t the same commercially so they would have to bury the hatchet with Jesy if they wanted to have a commercially successful reunion I think. They’re not the Spice Girls. Whether Leigh Anne actually forgives Jesy is a whole other thing, but people can work together in a job and be amicable

[@GaryReddock]

Omg ur super cue ❤❤❤❤ love ur video

[@humphreychannel582]

White people are allowed to tan and I know a lot of white people that naturally tan extremely dark, not myself I just go lobster red in the sun.

[@_danieleffer]

yes white people are allowed to fake tan. as long as it’s not so dark it appears to be racially ambiguous or could be mistaken for a person of colour. this is the level jesy took her fake tan to.

[@keojiabrown6807]

Do you not realize because of her "tan" a good portion of people thought she was black? At first glance because I'm not deep into the fandom way back when I thought this girl was black. That's part of the issue.

[@tjsquibbofficial]

@@_danieleffer Not really, she just looks like any British Girl who fake tans for the summer. If people assume any white girl with big lips, curly hair and has a tan looks black/mixed, that's on them for being dumb and stereotyping black women.

[@hmtqnikitashakur3399]

if *any* member has a problem w/Jesy, they would've addressed it when it started. No one did. I take that as "no issue". Its only when we seen Americas "r*ce wars" that Britain decided (for God only knows whatever reason) to jump on it, and suddenly *EVERY* *SINGLE* *THING* is now rrr*cism. im tired of hearing it

[@DeeL3]

Plot twist: the problems were addressed when they started. Jesy was confronted while she was still in the group.

[@DeeL3]

And you're tired of hearing about racism? Poor thing. Imagine actually living with it.

[@MrJacksparrow07]

@@DeeL3 were they? From what was said by the girls Jesy was taken aside during the Sweet Melody music video very late in their career and I’m guessing there was a big argument which caused her not to appear in that sequence they did. I think it’s pushing it to say the beginning. 2011 was a very different time to now and people didn’t say anything about things even if they were uncomfortable. What is wrong is that Jesy didn’t take the criticism on board and see that what she was doing was upsetting Leigh Anne. They will definitely get back together as a 4 though. Not marketable as much as a 3

[@agoogleaccount5859]

Then if she wanted to have a ‘nice maternity leave’ then why start drama with NICKI MINAJ (who loves drama) by shading the song and the dms was clearly real. She’s just weird for starting all this drama. Funny how Leigh didnt get a top 10 debut but Jesy got a top 5 debut with boyz 😍🤩

[@agoogleaccount5859]

This is to 29:40

[@AlwaysLM2011]

Always running your mouth about the charts when jesy didn’t chart at all by herself without using Nickis fame. You stay real quiet about that lol. All of Leigh’s songs charted and only one of jesys did because of Nicki. Bad things and boys flopped and jesy has no career while Leigh Anne does and is having her own Show in June 🤩

[@gabrielle3650]

The guy who released the dms literally admitted he made them up... dont twist this shit on leigh-anne. She did nothing wrong. There is no excuse for everything Jesy did so stop trying to make excuses for her.

[@Asha15770]

Jesy didnt have to let this go so far, with bullying Leigh Anne after she just gave birth, the blackfishing, the Diddy song that has AGED LIKE MILK. I am truly sad how Little Mix ended up, but us mixers stand by OT3. ❤🫶🏾

[@Senate300]

She didn't bully Leigh-Anne. She failed to defend her to Nicky Minaj in that infamous Instagram video call. Whole shame of it all is had she stuck it out through the final tour, she could've still the good will of the LM Fanbase.

[@Rendezvousssssss]

Where's the bullying? You're out here assuming just because of that petty drama that the clout chasing guy and s*x offender rapper started. Since when Jesy talked shit about Leigh huh? Jesy talk highly about all her members.

[@klaudiajellyfish]

​@@Rendezvousssssss Nicky bullied Leigh-Anne but because it's Nicky no one gave a shit. Jesy got shit for not defending someone who she called her sister for a decade, because she was very outspoken before about how she was bullied and how badly it affected her mental health. Matter of expectations, I suppose.

[@chancer55]

Hi from Ireland 🇮🇪 well done on ur video very good 😊