The Rise of Angmar! First Look

[@DunedainDadGaming]

The Dunedain do hilariously get the 4+ Malbeth save since they’re heroes lol

[@owaindavies8364]

The twins should be in the arathorn LL since they were at that battle

[@joshmortimer3433]

best analysis of the new supplement. Thanks guys

[@gipsy_danger5077]

I foresee a tier list revision needed for Angmar and Arnor now with the new heroes and units…..

[@NoobsandMen]

Nah we will have truly so many tier lists to do before next edition and then we start all over again 😂 -Liam

[@gipsy_danger5077]

@@NoobsandMen that’s fair, still wanting to see a captain tier list to see where you rank captains. That would be fun. Also to see an upgraded wargmar army batrep as Sean goes crazy with F6 wolves. 😂

[@BuffaloMan1996]

Makes me happy that they don't give the wraiths fells beasts in the host of the witch king seeing as wraiths never had them till the war of the ring

[@NoobsandMen]

It's very possible we got the wrong info on Freachts incantation of Endurance here, it's likely a 5+ so definitely better, but just makes everything else worse

[@yaketysaks]

Tbh as fun as some of these new profiles and LLs are for Angmar none of them seem like they’re gonna be worth taking over the Witch King-Gully-Barrow Wight vanilla army list. Gully just brings so much to the table and none of the new profiles really feel on his level

[@NoobsandMen]

I like that that's true tho, it means they havent over done it. the new lists and heroes are good, but they're not so much better than the base list that its essentially shit now -Liam

[@729060]

Sean lookin very different

[@NoobsandMen]

He shrunk in the wash 😞

[@egongeldhof8404]

​@@NoobsandMen, looks better, wash him more

[@grimgrauman7650]

The one thing you missed with the hill-trolls is the 4+ shoot value (if eveything is right). With 4+ it acctuly makes sence to throw some stones

[@NoobsandMen]

True enough, I don't think it's that worthwhile still unless you're already in a position you don't care to move from however. If they could move and shoot it'd be a different story -Liam

[@1989jimbob]

Nice

[@NoobsandMen]

No u 😘

[@KnudAutlermann]

Werewolves charging each other takes Dog-pile to a whole new level

[@ric1194]

The commentary on the Rangers and arnor isn't great guys, they've been vastly improved and have RotN in that army is huge

[@belgeroth9668]

they dont get the +1 attack they normally get in the rangers of the north list, a conditional banner is meagre compared to that. Arnor would rather spam troops than spend 25-31 points on a 1 attack guy. They dont need extra might now that they have 3 heroes with 3 might and foresight points. And if you want to do some heroehammer nonsense with the 4+ save why not take D7 2W 2A F5 captains

[@NoobsandMen]

Yeah what Belergoth said, if they had 2 attacks in Arnor as well they'd definitely be 400% better and the talk of the supplement -Liam

[@NoobsandMen]

RoTN are fucking SHITTTTTT. Dunedains is where is at. -Sean

[@ric1194]

For the last year I've exclusively play the GC LL RotN are amazing, that's D5 screws over Str4 armies and hero's which are pretty much the meta of the game right now. Going back to the new stuff, have might concentrated on 3 hero's in a horde army isn't as good as having that spread out, for the cost of the new mounted cap that's 4 rangers, you lose strike but so what, your resources are spread out, you got objective grabbing potential hight, C4 units that are basically C5 with a point of will and then you've got a horde behind them to make up for not have 2 attacks, they only needed the 2 attacks because they're outnumbered 2 or 3 to 1. Not in arnor they aren't.

[@seidlag]

Why is Glorfindel bad?

[@NoobsandMen]

He's too expensive for a hero with nothing going for him. He's meant to kill things but doesn't get any bonuses over just being str4 and offers literally nothing else to the army unlike heroes with similar points values -Liam

[@grimgrauman7650]

"120p is much for f5 hero" Any Nazgul on fell beast for 170p (witchking at like 200p), Helm Hammerhand at 175p, gothmog 165p😅

[@NoobsandMen]

i mean Gothy is 145 to be fair, hes also mounted and d7 with plenty of other heroes around him to back him up. This dude is just one guy who's going to get shut down for sure. -Liam

[@grimgrauman7650]

@@NoobsandMen this dude still buffs Courage. He also gets to F6 in the legion😅 But yes gothmog is only 145p

[@NoobsandMen]

F6 if he gets a kill, but as soon as he's up against any magic whatsoever he's barely going to be playing the game. Plus if you're smart about it even without magic you can kill him with a cav model easily enough. He's just Lurtz with 2 more fate and will for 30 points more. The courage re roll is nice, but if we're still comparing him to Dunland they get fearless and body guard models, which is 10x better. He's basically Shaggers without his knockdown and a much more important lynchpin of the force.

[@nehrigen]

Its a shame that this book is meaningless in 2? Months?

[@NoobsandMen]

Depends, it's likely they'll port most of this directly into the new rules, might have to wait till the armies middle earth book tho -Liam

[@gwatkingaming]

@@NoobsandMen The whole point of the PDF that they're going to release is so we don't have to wait till the armies of middle of earth book.

[@robertoschettino1448]

Earnur it’s absolutely broken fight 7 on the charge, top profile, resistance to magic for meager 120pt. Full kit bonkers