I completely agree with Khazad-dum and I think the issue is, they are a faction that can be easily fixed. Maybe adding a generic drum hero or a *taskmaster* hero would work, make Balin less points or give him an addition special rule or 3 attacks and 3 wounds.
@grimgrauman76508 күн бұрын
Azogs Legion is B- Tier and gets A with hunters. They are just not that good. You can ask any Gundabad player and they say that they are not that great, even if they are cool and fun.
@lutzeichmeyer93388 күн бұрын
I'm hoping hill troll intelegence is going to be a rule such as: if this model is only fighting 1 enemy model in the combat phase, it may call a heroic combat as if it was a hero. I know it's not going to be this, but this would be so fucking cool and powerful. Do you think we will be getting gulavar back?
@robbiecarroll53838 күн бұрын
That was me!!! 8:25 that was me!!😂😂 Patty showed me the comments he sent xD and i mean every word lads thank you for your work and all your videos! You have helped me list build and impove my game play thanks to you tier list breakdowns and content! Love your work!
@robbiecarroll53838 күн бұрын
Bring back Megalas!! You yelling me the 2 attack, F6 profile we have for legolas dose justice to his on-screen deeds? The guy solos a mumakil and kills Bolg who is a F7 beast in game and he dose it with a couple of poket knives xD. Give legolas knife fighter, 3 attacks and F7. On screen legolas could easily beat most hero's that match his 100-110 point in game. When aragorn needs help on screen who's he call? "Hey legolas, kill that beserker whith the sparklers, hey legolas what do your elf eyes see? Hey legolas kill that massive war elephant alone Hey legolas help me kill this uruk who's bear hugging me to death at amon hen". Justice for on screen legolas!😂
@Chesterbigwigful8 күн бұрын
I think just giving him an extra attack would suffice. Maybe give him preternatural agility so he cannot be trapped or another wound for extra durability. Other than that, he’s pretty solid.
@mbowsher769 күн бұрын
Lol a new Editon for the 12 people that play this game.
@NoobsandMen8 күн бұрын
🤣🤣🤣 brother clearly doesn't play this game. Imagine commenting on something you have zero understanding of. -Sean
@mbowsher768 күн бұрын
@@NoobsandMen Lol most people don't play this game. I honestly thought it had been quietly cancelled it had been so long since it even had more than a passing comment on GW Community or in White Dwarf. I saw this as a huge LotR fan that would love the game to have a big enough playerbase to actually play, but that just isn't going to happen.
@aleisalpto561211 күн бұрын
Blind guess but i will take it. If Eärnur is part of the army list, no other named Gondor heroes can be included in the same army list, and the army is Impossible Allies with every other army except Rivendell, which will be Historical Allies as long as it includes Glorfindel and no other named Rivendel heroes.
@NoobsandMen9 күн бұрын
Definitely pretty likely yeah -Liam
@jakemaclaine11 күн бұрын
Omg if they’re going heavy into movie-theme, does that mean Grimbold will finally get a horse!?
@NoobsandMen9 күн бұрын
Nah, and he'll get slower movement too -Liam
@caesarsailor405111 күн бұрын
Perfect timing just got all my rulebooks etc… noice 😢
@caesarsailor405111 күн бұрын
I’m just wondering how wappelious called this all he is like Nostradamus
@NoobsandMen11 күн бұрын
Who? 😂
@caesarsailor405111 күн бұрын
@@NoobsandMen wappellious he is a painter and a damn good one
@DesmondDentresti12 күн бұрын
Debating if the hill trolls are on 40mm bases ore are actually on 50mm. Making them the in between of a Cave troll and a Mordor troll. 50mm is uncommon though so I am doubtful.
@NoobsandMen11 күн бұрын
Dunno, I'd like em to stay on 40s, they become more unusable the bigger their bases get -Liam
@DesmondDentresti11 күн бұрын
@@NoobsandMen I'm still hoping that mechanics are added to benefit bigger bases specifically. Make it a tactical benefit to take them.
@chakkles455012 күн бұрын
Make Numenorean warriors the beasts they should have been all along! Come on GW
@NoobsandMen11 күн бұрын
Steel bows and d6-7 pls -Liam
@davygravy212 күн бұрын
You KZbinrs and your click bait titles “we’ve got insights” proceed to vaguely talk about some weapons with “source: trust us bro” 😂 Still fair effort staying up to do this emergency video. Here’s hoping we get a great new edition!
@NoobsandMen11 күн бұрын
It ain't click bait mate, we do have a source 🤷 it's not exactly an anonymous source if we go around saying who it is now is it?
@OGEETOMO12 күн бұрын
A new edition a new set of every unit in the game teir lists.
@NoobsandMen11 күн бұрын
Oh fuck you're right. One must imagine Sisyphus happy... -Liam
@xerospacious402412 күн бұрын
Also by god please make a new edition of WOTR ahah
@NoobsandMen11 күн бұрын
They won't, but we can dream haha
@xerospacious402412 күн бұрын
The rules need tweaking a bit but as a core ruleset I hope they don't change much. Or remove armies
@xerospacious402412 күн бұрын
I don't like the phrase (on screen presence) for some armies
@ArchreitTheScuttler12 күн бұрын
Cannot wait for Buhrdur's Legion and the Werewolves, I've literally just started assembling and painting him. I hope he has a horde of orcs and wargs being led by mini troll heroes (Hill Trolls)
@snaithiusproductions844512 күн бұрын
Non-hero monsters need to be addressed.
@NoobsandMen11 күн бұрын
They shit yeah haha
@GeoffreyBronson12 күн бұрын
Just after I bought the army books! FUUUUUUUUUU
@NoobsandMen12 күн бұрын
They'll still be good for a while yet, plus if they mess up the new version most will still play this version anyway 😅 -Liam
@davidmartin983912 күн бұрын
When you do Boz, Banner and single bolt thrower... Do you take swift reload or not?
@NoobsandMen12 күн бұрын
Yeah absolutely, single bolt Thrower should have swift reload -Liam
@elladrinn431812 күн бұрын
Just a note about the War of the Rohirrim: there is an animated movie/series that is coming out soon (at the time of this message) so it could be related to that. more info plus interviews about it is on Nerd of the Ring channel from a few months back
@rileyallen31012 күн бұрын
Bro… they know. They spoke about it…
@NoobsandMen11 күн бұрын
Yeah mate, what Riley said 😂
@Inzanepiratical12 күн бұрын
The hot takes from the community are atrocious. Ya'll are making me seriously reconsider even touching this game again. I doubt a specialty game is going to have the same churn as a mainline system and there's zero precedence for that changing. The rules team is mostly the same from what I understand and while I can absolutely see some forces/options being pulled (no available models/ancient sculpts), I can't see this being a huge ground up rewrite that invalidates everything. Never mind that indexes that invalidate old content at an edition start are NOT the norm for any GW game. We have speculation and unconfirmed and incomplete leaks. Quit jumping to the worst possible scenario when the game is getting an edition change after 6 years. Everyone needs to chill.
@NoobsandMen12 күн бұрын
Cool dude thanks. We're just relaying the info that we have from very credible sources 🤙
@boop290812 күн бұрын
Did your insider mention any specific profiles that had models that would be going? I'd hate to lose half the easterlings range
@NoobsandMen12 күн бұрын
Only examples we were given was the citadel guards and the fountain court guards. Truly hope we don't lose much, ideally we lose nothing -Sean
@boop290812 күн бұрын
@@NoobsandMen Yeah that's why I asked. I'd hate for whatever licensing deal GW made with New-Line forced them to squat a lot of the range invented by GW (Dragon-Emperor and Easterling characters etc).
@NoobsandMen11 күн бұрын
Nah they wouldn't do that, GW love their created models and that would also scrap like 50% of models in the game, it would be suicide -Liam
@nehrigen12 күн бұрын
"There's an aragon pose"... there are like 20 different aragon poses. There is no avoiding it.
@NoobsandMen12 күн бұрын
I'm a big dumb dumb -naes
@Ancalag12 күн бұрын
Like everyone I think the game is actually in a really good shape, but there is a few stuff I would tweak if I could (and some I actually do as home rules): - As said, Fight values or a rework of what it implies in combats (for exemple adding Fight value to the result of Duel rolls). - Weapons rules. Spears and shields are too central in the gameplay, two-handed weapon not enough (a simple +1 Strengh would be perfect) and special strikes too complexe. - Weapons managment. Stop put a spear, a shield, a bow, a war horn and a banner on one unique figurine, make choice ! - I would love to be able to get cavalry charge as Rohirim on Pelenor fields, but actual rules are more realistic imo. Maybe tweak something with priorities ? - Rework siege engine scattertable and Mumak stampede rules to use scatter dice instead of let your adversary controling it. - Find a way to fasten a bit the gameplay to make it humanly possible to play games over 1000pts. - And most important, rework factions and alliances, and potentially integrating LL directly into it. Why is Gimli into Moria's army and not into Erebor's one !?! I sent them a document a couple of years ago about all that, so """""""""""""""maybe""""""""""""""""" we'll have some of it into the v7 😅 Let me dream...
@NoobsandMen11 күн бұрын
I definitely disagree on some of these but I like some other, interesting stuff dude -Liam
@ONIS312 күн бұрын
I'm calling it now, there will be a Rhudaur Legendary Legion led by the new Shadow of Rhudaur, with Barrow Wights leading Warriors of the Dead as an Evil Troops Choice +/- Heralds of the Dead. This force will represent the raised dead heroes as Contents of the Barrow Downs located in Rhudaur
@NoobsandMen12 күн бұрын
That's a BOLD call, I really doubt it'll happen but it would be pretty sick if it did -Liam
@microforgeminis12 күн бұрын
Hill trolls intelligence = hero’s can’t strike against them??? I’d allow it
@NoobsandMen12 күн бұрын
Oh that'd be really fun -Liam
@Chickenchicken4612 күн бұрын
Yeah similar birdy told me about this 6 months ago, if what they said is true we're gonna see some wild reactions come release
@Chickenchicken4612 күн бұрын
Also I think profiles and armies may get "retired"
@NoobsandMen12 күн бұрын
I really hope they don't go that far... -Liam
@Chickenchicken4612 күн бұрын
@@NoobsandMen hope not man I really do, Aus community will not be happy
@jordoftherings303312 күн бұрын
Burdhurs LL giving him and Hill Trolls ambush will be HILARIOUS
@NoobsandMen12 күн бұрын
Oh fuck hahaha "guys were fine here there's noth- FUCK AN 8 FOOT ROCK JUST SWUNG AT ME" -Liam
@jordoftherings303312 күн бұрын
@@NoobsandMen Now the real question is if that wraith character gets channel Paralyse and what shenanigans will follow
@gwatkingaming12 күн бұрын
You know what this means, right? All new Tier Lists, baby! Just when you boys thought you were done...
@NoobsandMen12 күн бұрын
It's a curse we will never be rid of apparently -Sean
@thomasbowman357912 күн бұрын
Looks like 50mm bases on this trolls and werewolves
@NoobsandMen12 күн бұрын
Love me an obscure base size hahaha -Sean
@simisalikhov831912 күн бұрын
I think it'd be interesting if they enlarged the scale of fight value to 1-15 or something. I feel like 1-10 is just not enough room to flesh out profiles. In the past all warriors had fight 3 (now 4), also like how have Arwen, Aragorn and a random elf captain all fight 6. If the scale would be bigger one step up or down would be less dramatic. I dont think they are gonna do that though and I haven't thought about possible disandvantages it could have
@NoobsandMen12 күн бұрын
Nah I'd love that, something our community has always wanted honestly -Liam
@trojanhatchet820412 күн бұрын
If Rivendell warriors lose shields I shall tantrum
@NoobsandMen12 күн бұрын
Nah you see em with shields in the movies they won't lose em -Liam
@yaketysaks12 күн бұрын
One thing I hope changes is the way objectives are scored. It’s always felt weird that if GilGalad is standing on an objective vs 2 Ruffians, the ruffians score the point. Fixing this would also make playing elite/all hero armies much more viable vs hordes
@NoobsandMen12 күн бұрын
Coule be interesting, but I don't know how you'd fix this without breaking the game and making all hero armies OP -Liam
@mesbgnerds12 күн бұрын
Barrow white with might and channel for super paralyse.
@NoobsandMen12 күн бұрын
Creaming
@TheSH4D0WS12 күн бұрын
I am in agreement that if they change it too drastically AND it isn't fun/changing all the time, I'll stick to the current rule book and profiles. I'm pessimistic about this shit all the time, seen enough BS with video game companies doing this sorta stuff for money, so it's valid to be concerned. The preview cannot come soon enough, to settle everybody's doubts and concerns. I don't mind updated army books so we don't have to open up Gondor at War to check dernhelms stats (as an example). Just keep the core rules the same.
@NoobsandMen12 күн бұрын
there are a few minor tweaks I'd like to see but ultimately I want the game to remain the same and the books to be condensed -Sean
@TheSH4D0WS12 күн бұрын
@@NoobsandMen Agreed. Changing too much will kill the identity of the game.
@owaindavies836412 күн бұрын
Do you think all the supplement profiles will be in the new army books?
@NoobsandMen12 күн бұрын
I would assume so. Wouldn't make much sense if they didn't move them all together. -Sean
@xenosophont12 күн бұрын
You can be a Debbie Downer all you want and act like this is gonna be just like 8th Ed WHFB being bonked and turned into Age of Shitemar or some 40K-esque wannabe e-sports mess with monthly rules updates and muh balinse patches or whatever... Or you can be like me and be glad that this wonderful game system is getting some love and attention from the company/the studio (with its ultimate manifestation being: greenlighting/funding a new edition for it) Do you know how bad it felt like to see only a tiny frequency of MESBG related news on WH Community once in a blue moon when the stars aligned and even those lost in an ocean of innumerable 40K news/releases? They obviously think this game has potential, makes money and is worth investing in and making it bigger and better (at least to some extent: this would thankfully never turn into a 40K-like product). How bad it felt to to just get that craptastic HOBBITS & THE NAZGUL DIORAMA? The same GW "Specialist Games" studio crew with Clare and co. are still entrusted with the new edition if I'm not mistaken? The blokes who've made every new ed. better than the previous one? I think it's too early to mope at this point and it is time to be hopeful, get excited and even celebrate that this won't be a DEAD game system with no new releases at least in the near future! P.S. I don't think an article announcing a radically different new edition would be choosing to use words like: "we're reworking all the profiles to make them better".
@NoobsandMen12 күн бұрын
Debbie Downer or just very very cautious?. We are so excited for this new addition aswell as the love that out game is receiving, although we are tempering our excitement as we have been burnt by this company before. But anything GW does I will follow, I'm too heavily indoctrinated 🤣🤣 -Sean
@xenosophont12 күн бұрын
@@NoobsandMen I of course also recognize GW for what it is but still I give a bit more credit to the Specialist Games crew doing MESBG, Kill Team and the like. The GeeDubbz subfaction/clique who hath burned me a lot less in the past compared to the other branches that absolutely incinerated my azz.
@swee314212 күн бұрын
Yeah I know how it feels to not get much attention from GW, it feels absolutely fantastic and is a big reason I like this game and it's been such a success. I'm all for rules tweaks, a consolidation of rules in general and a confirmation that MESBG will continue under license, but we only had the Osgiliath edition not too long ago. As for models there's tons out there, use your imagination and a bit of hobby skill rather than waiting for GW to release your next dose of slop like some kind of paypig 40k player. If this new edition chooses to eliminate and restrict choices for players or significantly deviates how this game is played then I'm straight up going to start a petition for the GBHL to continue to use the existing rules - one of the good things about GW neglecting this game so long is that players had to organize into strong independent organisations like the GBHL, and which potentially have more leverage than the disparate masses of 40k serfs. I'm hoping the new edition will be good, but if not I hope players can organize effectively to challenge it. With how GW support is like a monkey's paw I highly doubt it will be. I love this game and in what small way I can I'll be damn sure to try and resist anything that would change it into another victim of GWs practice of mutilation. GW doesn't own this hobby, they just own the license - it's up to us to ensure it stays that way.
@xenosophont12 күн бұрын
You've made some good points and I think due to some of the factors you've pointed out (the evolution of MESBG's community from long periods of neglect for example), this won't be another WHFB->AoS situation nor a "new 40K". People are naturally assuming the worst from this comically exploitative company but a distinction also needs to be made rather than creating a nebulous boogeyman out of the whole thing and collectively mewling about DOOM IS APPROACHING in advance. The Specialist Games Studio is a relatively decent branch within the larger beast that has been responsible for its better products (KT, MESBG, TOW - the recent new ed. of Kill Team has been superb) and practices and it's fine to give them a little credit in advance rather than lumping them all in with "the GW". This group also seems to have some amount of influence within the company because so far TOW hasn't been "another 40K" in terms of exploiting/milking the customer and warping the whole thing into a pure money-making scheme. Of course if they end up betraying the spirit of this game, the existing playerbase and the strong community can and SHOULD come down hard upon them. BTW I also don't want the 40K style rollercoaster of monthly muh balance patches or a new book every month but I also definitely do not want the horrendous level of neglect we've had for such long periods of time that it made things stale, lifeless and shackled with the same glaring issues for years without getting fixed. "OOP" metal models being the only way to build armies, having to hunt down extremely hard to find crappy box sets from ancient times just to get some models. I get that people don't want THE EYE OF SAURON to fall upon this game too much but we really do need at least some amount of attention in the form of rules clean-up (some more variety and balancing would also be nice) and new models FFS. The whole "IF IT AINT BROKEN..." and "DON TOUCH MUH GAEM!!!" and the disgustingly autistic "I DUN WANT ****ANY**** CHANGES!!!" reactionary crap from certain people just annoys me. How many more "Legendary Legions" (which got ridiculous by this point) or half-assed Erratae can we live on without getting some life support in the form of a new edition that can add/fix/consolidate stuff without needing a freaking supplement? The new edition can solve this ridiculous bottleneck method for adding/improving things in a game system. A more balanced attitude/stance is for the best at this point before seeing anything concrete IMHO.
@Benji-si7do12 күн бұрын
War of the Rohirrim starter will be smart. Helms sons amd nephew would be decent heroes to bring out. Hope they dont change the game too much
@NoobsandMen12 күн бұрын
The game is in such a good spot. Some minor tweaks would be great but a complete overhaul will be disappointing. Very excited to see what comes with the war of the rohirrim. -Sean
@panjen390512 күн бұрын
I just hope they make non-hero monsters usable.
@NoobsandMen12 күн бұрын
God wouldn't that be good. -Sean
@Simon-gc6uf12 күн бұрын
So, another evil heavy supplement.... They probably only threw in some Arnor units to give Agmar something to kill. Better not be like 'Defence' of the North.
@NoobsandMen12 күн бұрын
Will have to wait and see -Sean
@alexifer2212 күн бұрын
Your reaction is exactly why game companies don't like the phrase "new edition" because you have absolutely no idea how the game is going to change and you've already decided that it's going to ruin the game and you'll be sticking with the older rule-set. Way to be an ambassador for the game and foster positivity. You want the game to die? This is how the game dies. Go get some sleep, have a cup of coffee, and then come back and revisit your entire approach to this news.
@mattrondeau212 күн бұрын
To be fair, GW doesn't have a good track record with new editions to begin with. 40k especially has a big problem with updating their editions way too fast, they're poorly designed on a fundamental level (army books getting erratas within weeks or even days of being released come to mind), and often take away more than they improve or give. This latest edition of LoTR has been brilliant and the community is very happy with it and wants to see it grow, so being resistant to changes to a system that many feel is in a great spot is natural here. Hopefully it's the same team that worked on this one and they make good changes and keep the meat of the game the same, but GW hasn't really endeared themselves to the wider community with how they've handled new editions in the past and recent past. Worst case scenario, we just use our current books and ignore the new edition entirely
@NoobsandMen12 күн бұрын
We are very excited but have been burnt by this company many times before and had editions completely change games, and a majority of the time not for the better. The game is in such a good spot ATM with a few minor tweaks to the rules we could be the perfect game. Excited but have temped expectations -Sean
@Paddywoodman12 күн бұрын
With the trolls giving them 2 will would tick the boxes you're both talking about
@NoobsandMen12 күн бұрын
Would love to see more trolls on the battlefield aye, magic just kills them. -Sean
@LonelyKnightJ13 күн бұрын
I just hope they don't change the overall army building too much. Having to fully remake the spreadsheet would be annoying.
@NoobsandMen12 күн бұрын
The wider MESBG community would be forever in your debt, if we aren't already. Appreciate your work Mr Lonlyknight -Sean
@tw836413 күн бұрын
Are we gonna get command points, stratagems and everyone hitting and wounding on 2s re- rolling 1s? 😂😬
@mattrondeau212 күн бұрын
Don't tempt fate please lol I don't trust GW to make that 4+ save... Look at how they've massacred my boy (looks at 40k)
@tw836412 күн бұрын
@@mattrondeau2 I agree mate 10th 40K is an absolute shitshow and makes me super nervous for any changes to MESBG
@NoobsandMen12 күн бұрын
MESBG is such a good game, I'd hate to see it turn in to 40k or Age of Sigmar lite. -Sean
@mattrondeau213 күн бұрын
SUPER excited for this! Burhdur is looking mighty beefy, werewolves finally, some new characters on both sides, GAH!!! And maybe it's the paint scheme, but those Carn Dum models look like someone took AoS models and put them in LoTR lol. I'm sure they'll be fun to play but their look just feels off imo.
@NoobsandMen12 күн бұрын
Such an exciting release. Can't wait to see what those LL are looking like aye. -Sean
@AnotherHistorianWargamer13 күн бұрын
The fact that everyone is worried and scared instead of excited tells me the community is healthy and probably doesn't need a new edition.
@NoobsandMen12 күн бұрын
Spotttttt on brother. Couldn't have said it any better. I lie, a few tweaks would be nice but I wanna see the rules remain 95% as they are. -Sean
@michaeljdauben13 күн бұрын
I like the trolls, the werewolves, the and the new characters. Those Carn Dum miniatures are a total miss for me, though. I'll be proxying them with something less goofy looking. 😒
@NoobsandMen12 күн бұрын
They are very very age of Sigma esk. -Sean
@nehrigen13 күн бұрын
I'm calling 50mm for the where wolves. Why? Idk.
@NoobsandMen12 күн бұрын
Give me more weird and obscure base sizes hahaha -Sean