The Rise of Skywalker: The ONE Good Moment Could've Been Great

[@АлексейМомот-щ7о]

1:04 "it accidentally looks like something from Star Wars" made me cry and laugh at the same time

[@jellyfishjones4741]

I'm not a huge SW lore expert, but even I thought, "you can't fool me, that's totally a holocron".

[@deadmetal8692]

Or just tilt the Star Destroyer and the space horses fall off.

[@KarmasAB123]

"But the ShiPs DoN't kNow WHiCh wAy IS UP!"

[@zephyr8072]

I've had people seriously argue that if the ship tilted then everyone inside would fall over. Because artificial gravity is no longer a thing apparently.

[@natetete1379]

No. No no. no. no Nooooo!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@hades7982]

@@zephyr8072 well to be fair I dont think artificial gravity can work when they are in atmosphere of a planet or large astronomical body

[@zephyr8072]

@@hades7982 Except when it does repeatedly because that's not how any artificial gravity would work. The only time it explicitly doesn't is in Reven ge of the Sith and that can easily be explained by a malfunction due to the ship, you know, falling apart the whole time. Also even if we were operating on magic Disney logic and the ship didn't have artificial gravity - who cares. Tilt the ship anyway. Tell the crew to hang onto something. It won't take that much of a slant to make those stupid horses slide off to their deaths.

[@Andrew-on-YT]

I had the captions turned on by accident and 1:57 was written "The only way you're getting to Mexico is with me." I had a good chuckle.

[@ShishouDzukiZaManako]

followed by kzbin.info/www/bejne/baiYe4ymba2anLc you know... just Kylo channeling yoda's "i must leave the country" line while Rey makes fun of Anakin.

[@lucasbakeforero426]

Was about to comment the same thing hahaha

[@heimirjosefsson510]

DO NOT WANT

[@darth_dan8886]

The thing about Sith Holocrons is that they are more than "a library of Sith knowledge", in most depictions. They are instead a legacy of a single Sith Lord, imbued with their personality and Dark Side energy. The stronger Sith are seen in full fledged manifestations from their Holocrons - and, these artifacts are usually one of a kind. They are not voiceless, they have an actual personality within them. A prominent Sith Lord may create 3-5 over their lifetime, sure, but even these will be different, reflecting the state and knowledge of the creator at the time of creation. All this leads me to a single point - destroying a Sith Holocrons is more than just refusing the Dark Side knowledge therein. It is a direct and violent destruction of potentially the entire remaining legacy of a great Dark Side being who once lived.

[@MorganWable]

and it could have been an interesting way for palpatine to have been "resurrected" but without completely stealing the show

[@berserkasaurusrex4233]

@@MorganWable Or Vader, for that matter.

[@kazuhirosamadesu5650]

Both good points, really cool idea. Hell if they put that much thought into the movie I doubt Palpatine would have returned "somehow"

[@thed3m0n0id9]

If I remember correctly, it has nothing to do with being connected to the ground in the technical manuals; it's because those grounded objects are not *travelling at ballistic speeds*. They're ballistic weaponry shields, not force fields that are intended to block passage like the Duel of the Fates at the end of TPM; they have a minimum speed an object or something must be traveling in order to block them, sort of like getting inside the min range of a weapon platform or beneath the weapon travel arc of a tank or AA platform.. This is in a bunch of old tech manuals(I actually have the one you've shown in several of these videos, the Essentials Guide) *if I remember correctly*...been years since I read through it.

[@darth_dan8886]

Sounds about right. Pretty sure we've even seen AAT-s driving into these shields at some point in Clone Wars - or if I'm making this up, well, that's just because it seems well within the realm of possibility. There's two kinds of shields really seen in Star Wars - ones that stop energy weapons and fast moving objects, but not objects moving at walking speeds, and ones that need to be deactivated fully or partially for _anything_ to pass through.

[@thed3m0n0id9]

@@darth_dan8886 Yeah, there's rayshields and shileding intended to stop weapons fire. Then there's actual force fields that you have to turn all the way off.

[@Vivi-yw1eu]

in TCW it is said and shown also for example that to destroy a Droideka, you have to roll a grenade in slowly, otherwise it will bounce off

[@overtherenowaitthere]

yup it's basically like shields in the book series "Dune"

[@antonisauren8998]

AotC cross secctions: "AT-TEs are effective at penetrating powerfull energy shields. Walker movement uses simple surface traction, whereas the high-velocity exhausts that drive a speeder or starship are stifled by particle shields. Furthermore, flying craft can be damaged by energy discharges leaping from the ground at shield interfaces, but a walker's natural grounding provides invulnerability against this effect." So repulsor tanks should have towed grounding wire like cars in the '80. :P Just a blob from Savton's lore but I like it as it gives purpose for walkers in the universe.

[@toastyrules8221]

The Sith Eternal fleet was unshielded because of Exegols atmosphere, which was also a meaningless circumstance since even capital ships were seen to be able to enter each others shield radii in nearly every Star Wars film. But they had no source material to go off on, so i guess it is fine (screams internally). Just use Byss and give us the freakin Eclipse if you get inspirations from the Dark Empire, but i guess that wasn't original enough for mister lens flare or Kennedy.

[@АлексейМомот-щ7о]

They would have had to pay deceased Tom Veitch if they used any of the names from Dark Empire. Filoni recently obliterated the name "Tales of the Jedi" with more of his fanfiction about Ahsoka and didn't even mention Tom Veitch or Kevin J. Anderson anywhere. They can only use Thrawn in Disney canon because they rehired Timothy Zahn to write more books. This is the only sensible explanation for tossing out so much of the lore and even pretending it never existed, otherwise we'd see more loose adaptations like MCU where the company actually owns the characters and doesn't have to pay the authors of comics.

[@toastyrules8221]

@@АлексейМомот-щ7о Disney just wanted a clear cut to be able to seed new stories into the Star Wars univers, since it was very convoluted after mutliple decades worth of games/books/comics. They do still hold the intellectual property of the Legends material and can use it if they wanted to. Thrawn is just too good as character and villain that not using him would be unwise, as he is also highly regarded in the fanbase.

[@sours-orchard]

the subtitles at 1:53 are simply iconic. "The only way you're getting to Mexico is with me." "DO NOT WANT"

[@kenknowlton3085]

No one in Dismal Disney sequels knew ANYTHING about the Star Wars universe/lore. (Or worse, they thought that their audience was infantile and wouldn't notice/care) They just made shit up on the spot as they went. They didn't have any technical experts to provide checks and balance for their silly notions. I.E. If it was so difficult for one ship to navigate the complex, narrow path to Exegol, how did tens of thousands of hodge-podge spacecraft arrive en masse (and with absolutely no one, Sith or Resistance, noticing)? Disney/Lucasfilm/Jar Jar Abrams/KkKennedy expects the audience to not only suspend belief/imagination but, most importantly, to suspend their intelligence.

[@TheRyujinLP]

What's sadder are the people who defend this. To me, these are people getting paid hundreds of thousands to millions to make a movie. It's not being toxic or being a cry baby to demand that they put in some level of effort to search Wookiepedia for like 5 minutes.

[@samlynskey5444]

Awesome video, not sure about the point about capital ships being crippled in atmosphere though since we see they have no trouble in things like rebels & clone wars (& maybe the mandolorian iirc (and come to think of it, would the first order ship the ewoks look at in this movie be in the atmosphere?)). That whole plotpoint from what I can tell is purely contrived for this, which they could've justified using the storms somehow in but just don't for some reason, even ignoring the fact that apperantly building and/or storing the secret star destroyers not only on the planet but underground and having to pass through the atmosphere was done instead of just housing them in orbit since the planet is already super secret and isolated. Earned a new sub & am looking forward to any future stuff you decide to do!

[@thebreadcircus]

You're right, that one is definitely going to take more analysis than I covered here. There are definitely exceptions, where we see capital ships in atmosphere, but I believe most of them are very recent. As you go back through the Earth timeline, having large capital ships in atmosphere becomes less common. More like a mistake than an intentional decision, when it happens early on. -DZ

[@FroJSimpson]

@@thebreadcircus The first breach of the “Imperial destroyers larger than Victory-Class cannot enter the atmosphere of a planet” rule was in the teaser trailer for The Force Unleashed video game, and ever since then it’s been a downward spiral of ‘Rule of Cool’ moments like an Imperial-Class Star Destroyer directly over Jedha City and larger capital ships appearing in atmosphere in the EA Battlefront games. I personally hate it, because it invalidates the need for smaller Victory-class Star Destroyers or space-to-ground transport vehicles, and feels akin to saying that a modern day aircraft carrier has the same naval maneuverability as a corvette when navigating in a thin river. The diversity of ships in the Imperial Navy adds breadth to the Star Wars universe, saying “Any Star Destroyer can do it” feels unimaginative and disrespectful to the people who took the time to worldbuild actual tactical solutions in the Star Wars EU.

[@moontravellerjul]

@@FroJSimpson thanks for the insight, i was specifically wondering about the star destroyer above jedha.

[@occam7382]

@@FroJSimpson, but we saw Venator-class Star Destroyers not only in atmosphere, but landed on a planet's surface in Revenge Of The Sith, and they're about the same size as Imperial-class Star Destroyers.

[@FroJSimpson]

@@occam7382 Venators are smaller, more compact in overall silhouette, and as a starfighter carrier vessel are functionally more hollow and less massive than a Star Destroyer built as a battleship. It's not necessarily about size, it's about what it's carrying.

[@commandertoastcz6256]

One thing I learned is that Exegol is cannonically near Chiss Ascendancy space, near enough that the Chiss *basically have to know it exists.* That says two things: a), that they didn't need to make up a Force-nebula for Exegol to be separated, since you have to travel system-by-system in that area (that's why Chiss have to steal Force-sensitive children, while the sixteen thousand resistance ships just... jump there.), and b), that they could have a really cool plot with the Chiss involved.

[@triaszephyr8200]

I've managed to avoid watching Rise so far, aside from a few critic clips. Was actually excited for a few seconds when I saw the Sith holocron until you revealed that it's supposed to be that wayfinder people were talking about. Also want to say I like your use of Homeworld music.

[@HansHammertime]

It’s wild that you apparently just started making vids but they’re already this good. The editing is engaging but not obnoxious, and you speak in a pleasant way

[@ds_the_rn]

I hated the horses bit. I don’t have anything else to add here. 😂 Thank you for another great video. I’m working from your most recent to least.

[@overtherenowaitthere]

it is stupid that they were fighting the star destroyers in atmosphere, only for a convuluted plot point to be shoved in, but we see star destroyers in atmosphere all the time in legends lore. It's usually one or two, but a lot of the time a star destroyer showing up in atmosphere is exclusively a show of force and intimidation, as they could easily be in orbit and turn your planet to glass.

[@patrickbuckley7259]

The hilarious part, a Sith Holocron already showed up in, either the Clone Wars, or Rebel's cannot remember which. With that same appearance. That means Sith Holocron's where already canon in Disneywars, yet J.J. so, he actively contradicts the current cannon not once but twice, Anyone can add to this list of times J.J or Ryan contradicts things explicitly stated in Disneywars lore... cause it is far from complete.

[@dicksoncider5099]

Love this content. Speaks to my sub religious SW nerd

[@fredthepeacelily]

This is a really well done series. Your knowledge of the lore is incredible (i think i even saw a reference to the star wars jedi apprentice series thrown in there, maybe?). It makes me wonder why jj or rj didn't bother picking up a book for inspiration instead of cutting and pasting directly from the original trilogy. Volumes and volumes of great material were just ignored.

[@aussiematt4517]

solid points

[@OzyPepper]

i havent seen the movie in a minute so i could be misremembering, but i thought the sd's shields didnt work bc of exagol's atmosphere not just bc they were in atmosphere. i remember in the empire at war games that there were gas clouds that disabled your ships shields, idk if that happens anywhere else in cannon tho. that being said, the space horses bit was deff just something that looked cool but didnt get much thought behind it

[@Elix111]

1:53 "the only way you're getting to mexico, is with me" American moment, everything that isn't USA is mexico

[@thebreadcircus]

That joke started with Google's automatic subtitling detecting Exegol as Mexico. Surprisingly close to the truth. -ED-1TA

[@711desmond]

3:26 man so that Star destroyer looking ship from rogue one was just the largest victory class ever made?

[@bunyslayer]

JJ definitely never watched or read any star wars material before filming.

[@The_Fubar]

Homeworld 2 music, in case you were wondering

[@ThatSockmonkey]

JJ Abrams doesnt make movies, he makes film puzzles that don't have a solution.

[@LoneNightquill]

I honestly thought it WAS a holocron this whole time

[@ReddCrystal]

Where tf did you come from? You just popped up and made banger videos all of a sudden? Am I reading that correctly?

[@GrasshopperKelly]

There have been star destroyers before the phantom menace, and of course before the acclamator.

[@711desmond]

Technically there are 2 kinds of shields in Star Wars, shields that block energy attacks like lasers and shields that block physical attacks like missiles or GROUND TARGETS and big capital ships LIKE STAR DESTROYERS would have BOTH 🤓

[@guard13007]

1:56 Ah yes, when Rey just really wants a vacation in Cancun.

[@kapitankapital6580]

I was with you on the Sith holocron, but your second section has a couple of lore inaccuracies. Firstly, being connected to the ground has nothing to do with whether you can pass through shields, it's all about velocity; you need to be going at about walking speed (as shown in the Clone Wars when they teach the insurgents how to throw grenades so they can pass through droideka shields), this is so that things like rocks and debris won't catch on shields, so it's entirely possible that different rules apply to different types of shields. Secondly, warships can enter orbit, putting aside that we see it in Rogue One (since that's a Disney film) we also see landed Venators, which are star destroyers, in Episode 3. You also say that destroyers are the smallest ship of note in actual navies, and imply that irl frigates are bigger than destroyers. This is not true. Destroyers are some of the largest and most powerful warships in modern navies, with only aircraft carriers and a handful of cruisers still in service that are bigger (and even then most of those cruisers are closer to Destroyer Leaders than actual cruisers). Both corvettes and frigates are blue water vessels that are generally smaller and less capable than destroyers in modern navies.

[@Rapozinha-66]

1:55 the only way you're getting to MEXICO killed me

[@patavinity1262]

I still fucking hate looking at that stulid lightsaber. It makes no sense.

[@ender7278]

It doesn't "accidentally look like something from Star Wars". People on the production team know Star Wars lore. One of the prop designer probably took one look at their prompt and said "yeah, that sounds like a holocron to me" and deliberately made it one. It's definitely intentional.

[@wazzup105]

lol.. "do not want" in the subtitles!!

[@LastLivingRelic]

Man could you make a channel for lord of the rings? You make so many references I’d love to hear some of your big takeaways from that universe as well.

[@AdrianColley]

1:25 "a black tetrahedral pyramid" It has a square base, so it isn't tetrahedral.

[@TheSpartan186]

I appreciate your videos tackling the issues with Rise of Skywalker. The last two movies felt so frustrating. Episode 7 just felt so....unoriginal.

[@Cody27]

@4:43 LOL

[@BatKraken742]

Holocrons are less like hardrives and more like Jedi/Sith Bibles.

[@Optimaloptimus]

I need to ask this question for the sake of logic here. How the hell does one achieve "jamming" a speeder? You "jam" a form of transport and expect me to just sit wherever I'm watching and just accept it for what it is? No, I don't think so JJ.

[@paulomr445]

While the battle of exegol is incredibly incompetent I'd like to point out that while in the legends timeline ISDs were not atmosphere capable in the canon continuity they are as shown in RO and this isn't that much of a stretch since we also see venators in ground docks in ep 3

[@averageadventure200]

omg, this video... shows exactly why the "SITH WaYfINdEr" was so underwealming and left so much on the table. dissapointing. and i had completely forgotten how odd the horse scene was xD thanks for letting me know you actually had made a video like this when i brought up the wayfinder earlier in your livestream mr bread cricus

[@thebreadcircus]

Did I see you ask at the end there (of TPM part 6, for future reference), about what started the channel? I think this video makes it pretty clear: I'd never seen anyone talk about the missed opportunity of JJ's not-holocron. That, and the Falcon landing from the next video in the series. We actually compiled all the TROS videos into a single multi-hour one, which includes some remastering and additional content. That long video is considered the definitive version of the TROS series, only the video intros were removed so as to not break the flow. -DZ

[@SamuelMorales1]

What’s your take on Star Destroyers entering the atmosphere in Andor?

[@thebreadcircus]

Generally speaking, the bigger the ship, the less I reckon it has any business down as far as the atmosphere. That'll take a lot of analysis, it may even need a whole video dedicated to the question. At the moment, we haven't planned what will come first: Andor, Rogue One, TFA, or something else entirely. -DZ

[@SamuelMorales1]

@@thebreadcircus excited for whatever you decide to do next! Thanks for answering my question

[@HansLemurson]

In my imagination, they can enter atmospheres and land just fine, but they're vulnerable because they need to be fighting the planet's gravity the whole time, so would have less power for weapons and shields and would be critically vulnerable to damage to their propulsion. Just imagine if a Star Destroyer in atmo took a couple of hits from ion missiles...

[@robotmonkeys]

Alas, Rogue One and Andor let Imperial Star Destroyers fly and hover in atmosphere. :(

[@HansLemurson]

They hover in the air in the same way that a brick does not.

[@ThePoliticrat]

(My friend and I are political/culture content creators who have done livestreams on how to fix the sequel trilogy; would you be interested in coming on with us sometime?)

[@flyingdutchman28]

Ok. I think Luca’s pre-logies are better than the 3 new post-logies. But you people have not realized the potential for shittiness yet; the 3 new-logies coming are probably gonna be EVEN WORSE. Statistically speaking, that’s what has been happening.

[@newsbender]

It would have been an awesome moment: EXEC 1: what are we doing, this script is absolute crap. The film will be appalling. KENNEDY: I know. Shred it, let's cancel the movie. EXEC 1: consider it done!

[@SJReid82]

I'm convinced that Jar Jar Abrams is not a good filmmaker. I think at best he should be a cinematographer or the guy who punches up dialogue in scripts, and that's about it.

[@Arcadia_warlic]

Starship shields work slightly different than ground shield wherein they can be tuned to block all matter, rather than just energy, as sometimes they are used to keep out vacuum and can block other physical projectiles (another factor is the speed of the projectile relative to the shield). As shown with the Gungan Plasma shield, it is not even as if there is a special reaction to electronics specifically, either.

[@BlokHeadAnim]

The Disney trilogy is not beyond redemption, and I feel like this video proves it all the more. If George Lucas can update and tamper with the editing of the OT and prequels -- updating visual effects and even changing and adding whole scenes -- then it can be done to the sequel trilogy as well. Get one overarching creative lead to go back over them, get a few actors back to shoot some extra things if you need to and creatively cut together deleted/unused footage, rerecord some lines and re-contextualize some scenes, etc. Rerelease them in a run like George was going to do with the prequels before he sold to Disney, and you'd be golden. Literally advertise them as "Special Editions" to harken to Star Wars' past. The concept of "new and improved" Star Wars didn't go over so well before because the OT didn't really need much tampering and was over-corrected, but if you tied John Favreau and/or Dave Filoni's name to an effective "re-do" of the sequels, people will flock to it. Normal audiences will just like seeing Star Wars in theaters again, hardcore fanboys will go bananas over potentially improving some of their least favorite Star Wars movies. And you get to mark up and sell all of your backstock of action figures and toys from the ST that have been sitting around in a warehouse and watch them roll off the shelves as the rereleases remind people that Star Wars exists and kids like it. Win-win.

[@alp9173]

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