The Rise of Tanking in the NFL

[@deshaunwatsonsmasseuse2371]

The lions have been unintentionally tanking for about 50 years now

[@RJBuildsPcs]

They tank so hard I forget they’re a team most of the time lol

[@perry7595]

@LOGAN COBURN I am so sorry

[@kameronjones7139]

The refs help them as well

[@johnmara5046]

now they have jared goff

[@emsj86]

Lions tank than draft horrible. But to be honest ylu made out on the Goff deal. Goff is not that bad and stafford isn’t good enough

[@karshin]

the bears are never tanking, they’re just failing at winning

[@lamardavis9567]

On god😭

[@ajwootz8165]

Yep they never try to lose and yet they manage

[@dcbandnerd]

It's as if the McCaskey's actively hate the Bears or football as a whole. Maybe they have some unprocessed beef with Halas.

[@cattibingo]

This isn't tanking. It's failing. With style.

[@elijahechicagobearsboyd5734]

Ugh! I despise the MCCRAPSKEYS!!

[@Solo-ze9uu]

It’s amazing to see the evolution of set the edge I remember the Antonio brown video when he has less than 100k it’s amazing

[@stjameel]

Who asked?

[@iconiczappy5365]

@@stjameel lol

[@antonioreyes9912]

@@stjameel joe mama

[@djtrankilo231]

My first video with STE was the Johnny Manziel one

[@aldolosando8951]

It's only 83k more followers what you getting all emotional for at least wait to 200k 🤡

[@lenoxx_s1884]

Am I the only one who when I hear the word sponsor my finger just instinctually starts tapping 10 seconds forward

[@allex_]

me, except i actually watched this one bc i’m interested in FUBO lol

[@harukomeyers7073]

Skip forward 60 or 70 seconds because that's how long the companies tell the youtuber make them

[@joecook5689]

I do that immediately also.

[@DingoDIDeatmybaby]

@@harukomeyers7073 Yep, they used to be 15-30s long, but now they're like a minute long. Now my thumb muscle memory has to get used to it again.

[@robwagner7545]

There are a few channels that do the ads in a way where I don't jump ahead, but otherwise I nearly always do the same.

[@Jakefog]

As a Lions fan, the shot of Patricia whilst talking about players not buying into the Head coach was perfect

[@kusshmital9592]

STE coming with so many vids it’s beautiful

[@infinityrocks7360]

I knowwww

[@dawkinhamza4637]

His long hiatus was scaring me for a bit

[@Austicus100]

Agree keep up the content!

[@a.d.jenkins5835]

As a browns fan this was the first time in years I didnt find myself looking at mock drafts after week 4

[@d.n.adatniccalexxx]

As a fellow browns fan...it’s strange feeling ain’t it

[@kevinh9657]

Prepare yourselves, FOR TANK BOWL!!!!!! - UrinatingTree, 2018-?

[@s-w4530]

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[@cattibingo]

@@s-w4530 "IM CALLING BOTH GAMES"

[@rizkyanandita8227]

The Greatest Game

[@TheBlackScatPack]

Tank Division!!

[@davidsawyers8754]

2020 up it to "Tank Division"

[@ChiseledAdonis]

I'll never agree with tanking. You play to win the game (As Herm Edwards Would Say) As a player, you worked your WHOLE LIFE to make it to the NFL. I'll be damned if the coaches expected me to lay down for anybody in the name of a "higher draft pick". Tanking needs to result in a locker room asswhipping. There's a lot of "fans" that cheer for their team to lose & that'll never make sense to me either. Nobody takes pride in willfully losing. Losing games is a PART of football but not the GOAL in football. If you lace up your clears, tightern your pads, laminate your playbook, hire coaches in the front office, draft talent that you believe in or purchase a franchise YOUR JOB IS TO PUT FORWARD YOUR BEST EFFORT TO WIN ON SUNDAYS, MONDAYS & THURSDAYS.... PERIOD! It's RIDICULOUS to wish your "team" failure in order to succeed. There's no honor in that & more over you have no integrity

[@Averagedre]

i say this because im broke af but if im making millions plying in the nfl idc about any of that im just along for the ride but as a fan id be pissed lmaoo

[@srikar1726]

@@Averagedre if u can make millions might as well make it with a good organization so u can be better and make even more money

[@luked8449]

players don't tank. gms do. did you even watch the video?

[@Averagedre]

Srikar17 Is Goated i know that im just saying my broke ass would take any mil i could get lmao

[@radech2285]

I used to think the same, but I loved watching the Jets win this year, and I say that as a pats fan* - I really rooted for those guys for fucking the brass, and getting that W they deserved, they played good, and they auditioned for their next contract, hopefully for a better owner. Team ownership is the heel, but the players are the faces, and a "shitty" neglected team, got to be heroes. Someone became a Jets fan that day, and I'm so sorry, but that's the magic of sports. *not really, I'm danish so not a masshole native, same climate though. First game I saw was Bradys first superbowl, rooted for the underdog and stuck with them, helluva ride... I became a fan of special teams first, so loved BB.

[@noahdimitroff]

Jaguars: *tank* Jets: "is there a way to learn this power?" Jaguars: "not from a jet..."

[@duketogo25]

Shad Khan: “FO, coaches, tank.” Staff: “okay.” 1-15. Khan: “Thanks. You’re all fired.” Is that what I’m to understand as how tanking works?

[@LuisHGarcia]

The Jest LOST TO TEAM DELIBERATELY TO SUCK. The Jest couldn't even tank right given their draft history.

[@corsojames]

@@duketogo25 Tanking is more of a gm and owner thing. The coaches are always gonna try to win with what they have, and if the team is tanking, chances are the coaches suck

[@willywampus3426]

@@corsojames I think pat mcafee one said that in 2011/12 when they're trying to tank for luck the first win they got they were happy and the coach were extremely happy since a losing season would be bad for their resume but the management ie gm were really mad

[@duketogo25]

@@corsojames well the Jags GM got fired too. There’s no one around to benefit from this alleged tanking. People act like high draft picks are guaranteed to pan out. I’m a Jags fan. We had exactly ONE top 10 pick work out with the last GM in 8 years, and he was willing to fake an injury to get out of town. Trevor Lawrence might lose a his foot in a woodchipper after the draft, making the Jags’ tank a failure INSTANTLY. Then what, tank again?

[@westonsnyder6136]

"To say that Cleveland has played the long game in terms of building a competitive roster would be an insult to THE CONCEPT OF TIME." 😂😂😂😂

[@jeffreyhueseman7061]

Cleveland was the victim of a change in ownership.

[@MatrixMachine4]

The art of the tank is a fine art

[@edwardlovatt425]

It’s belongs in a museum of fine art

[@mrprimor227]

Your words last night are not forgotten among some of us.

[@CornPopWazABadDude]

And one the Jags mastered this year!

[@Billybob-ym3eg]

@@CornPopWazABadDude and the jets failed

[@CornPopWazABadDude]

@@Billybob-ym3eg yep... Dumb move by them but as a jags fan I couldn't be more thankful!

[@freddier5376]

Great video. As a Dolphins fan, who was desperate for us to win games in the 2019 season, I think the best way to support a ‘tanking’ team is to wholeheartedly want them to win: it makes you feel better when you get better, because of the pain you went through previously. And it’s amazing when you get a big win that year (week 17 @ Patriots), in fact I was so happy with 5-11 and a great future

[@viewsfromthetris5913]

I’m sorry but that Orlovsky Safety Scramble at 12:15 will forever make me cry lmaoooooo

[@jonesy279]

I’d love that Dolphins vid! They’re such an interesting young team.

[@infinityquartz4744]

You're god damn right 🐬🐬

[@DolFan316]

What I resent is that only when my team entered a season with a horrible roster did everyone suddenly start yammering about how evil tanking was and how the league needed to take away all their draft picks, like nobody in the history of the NFL had ever tanked before the 2019 Dolphins, and then it turned out they didn't even actually tank.

[@jaasielnavarrete2036]

Now they suck

[@Alzurath-metal1]

I feel like this whole video is a deliciously underhanded, well disguised dis on the Texans front office, and deservedly so. As always, great video!

[@Veaseify]

The Texans didn't need to tank, they had the makings of a successful team but brutally mismanaged their roster.

[@FretLevelMidnight]

The Texans didn't at ANY point tank, what the fuck are you even talking about? Losing often because you're bad is in no way the same as losing because your organization is making a conscience effort to do so, for the sake of better longterm success. This was not aimed at the Texans, they just hired trash and were dealt with accordingly. You do watch football, right?

[@Umamaahoe]

@@FretLevelMidnight calm down little boy no need to throw a temper tantrum

[@Cold84]

Bengals fan here, soothes the soul to see the multiple attacks at Bengals backfire, then to see the browns hailed as evidence of good tanking was an unexpected joy to see

[@dnasty312]

Mike Brown is still the NFL dictionary definition of *disgrace*

[@panpan1287]

I mean...you guys did do absolutely terrible at rebuilding You literally somehow built a Superbowl roster through sheer stupidity and dumb luck You guys literally anti-tanked your way to being one of the best teams in the NFL That's honestly more impressive

[@Owenhawser]

Good to see Cincinnati fans are exactly as dumb as everyone thinks

[@85isaboat53]

​@panpan1287 No, we got guys that elevated everybody else on the roster and we're gearing up for another run this year

[@traerooks4543]

I dont think you've ever been this consistent. Im definitely here for it!

[@joecook5689]

Players don't tank though. Management can. Players play for pride and their own contracts.

[@stephen2773]

“Missing out on franchise passers like Deshaun Watson and Carson Wentz” aged like milk

[@lebradyskywalker5761]

That Miami video needs to come out now that Flores is suing the NFL 12:27

[@devinm9245]

So glad you made this video, truly. I hate the concept of 'Tanking' to me it feels so irreparably damming to the fan base that if you don't come out with at least 2 SB championships the reward is nowhere near the damage done. On a final note doesn't this completely contradict the notion of "Hard Work Wins When Talent Fails To Work Hard"? this new fantasy football era is placing crushing amounts of pressure on Team Management that they almost feel compelled to make rash decisions for change rather than building competently.

[@vikrambansal1416]

honestly, I think the Rams have the right idea no draft pick is a surefire thing, but if you trade them for an established commodity, you know what you're getting and they have good enough coaching to maximize their talent. And since they draft so well Day 2 and 3, they don't need those high picks to hit

[@kbengson9163]

The problem comes when it comes time to pay all the proven commodities.

[@vikrambansal1416]

@@kbengson9163 they aren t worrying about that... they want a ring

[@tellmewhenitsover]

Flores now cut, because he correctly saw that the Dolphins picked the wrong QB, and he wasn't committed to the tank. Good for him, hope he gets a team that actually wants to win some time this decade.

[@Bambino_60]

Three winless seasons since the SB era. Tampa bay, Detroit and Cleveland. Not two.

[@johnchedsey1306]

But only two are in the 0-16 club.

[@z8ttov]

The Chiefs just tanked the Superbowl to get the 31st pick

[@pablomartinez8748]

*the o-line tanked lmao

[@dentonkyle5155]

I like how England does their Football (soccer). They have different tiers, or leagues, with the top two teams moving up a league (if possible) and the bottom two going down a league. This not only helps create a minor league, but gives incentive to not be the worst team. Unfortunately, the NFL will never agree to such a thing.

[@JahNuhThunDeeTheOneAndOnly]

That will never happen in any North American sports league

[@markmarkmark411]

I‘m from Germany and we have the same sport system as England... and I like the American System way more than ours. The main reason is the “fairness” because it is very unlikely that smaller clubs can reach a top Level without investors who spend billions of Euros in that club... That’s the reason why Bayern Munich, Juventus Turin and PSG have and will always dominate their League. In US sport the worst Team has always the chance to pick the best youngstar and most likely has one of the most cap space. So all in all, the US “system” is way better in terms of fairness than the European system where every top prospect will go to places like Barcelona, Real Madrid or Man City. And yes tanking sucks... but every team has a chance to be good in the next couple of years... (I’m sorry for my English if you have some Questions just ask😅😅)

[@dentonkyle5155]

@@markmarkmark411 Thanks for the insight! I agree if left in the hands of private capital then inequality will rise. That's why I support local communities owning the franchises and banning private ownership of sports teams. Green Bay is publicly owned, is in the smallest city of any NFL team, and has sold out every game since 1992. Obviously the NFL saw that and went, "No one else can do that now!" Also: Dein Englisch ist besser als mein Deutsch. Tchuss!

[@dentonkyle5155]

@@JahNuhThunDeeTheOneAndOnly Very true.

[@theredraven]

I'm from England, the difference is also that we have literally hundreds of professional football (soccer) clubs meaning you can have a pyramid of so many levels. In the US, you only have 32 pro teams that play in the fall (not counting the XFL because they play in the spring). To have a pyramid with promotion and relegation on a par with European sports leagues you would need to facilitate the creation of many more teams. The problem I see with that is: 1-Many cities without an NFL team already have a college team anyway. 2-American football teams are much bigger than soccer teams so you need the finances to pay more players. At a lower level, that's arguably going to be harder to do if those teams are in smaller cities and aren't drawing big enough crowd numbers. 3-If you have a pyramid of say 120 teams divided up into six levels of 20, how does the draft work? Do you get rid of it and just allow college players to sign with whoever they want? If you do that you run the risk of the rich teams just throwing money to get the best guys right out of college. At least with the draft, however imperfect it is, Jerry Jones can't just walk up to Trever Lawrence and throw tons of money at him. 4-You inevitably upend the traditional NFL rivalries some of which date back the best part of a century. Imagine a season with no Bears/Packers or Steelers/Browns games because one of them got relegated. 5-English football schedules have far more games, therefore the Premier League (20 teams) doesn't need dividing up into divisions or conferences because every team plays each other twice. If you have promotion and relegation in the NFL and your top tier is 20 teams, do you divide up into four groups of five and have them play each other only? How do you decide which group plays which other? The NFL is far more physically damaging than English football so you can't have those top 20 all playing every other team twice because you'd be on course for 40 or so games a season. Players would end up getting crippled. You have to divide them up in some way but if promotion and relegation creates a lopsided map, how do you do that fairly? Say you end up with only one West Coast team and every away game involves them travelling at least 1500 miles, how is that fair if all the other teams in that top tier have much shorter travel times? (England by comparison is smaller than some individual US states so travel times aren't an issue, nor is the change in climate from one area to another). If you want an NFL minor league (which the AAF could have been if it hadn't folded), fine, but trying to create a pyramid system akin to European football with many more teams? I feel it has way too many pitfalls.

[@andrewpadaetz5549]

7:25-"one of two winless seasons". Forgetting the 1976 Bucs (0-14) and 1982 Colts (0-8-1) are we?

[@Ms666slayer]

Those Colts dont count because the season was cut in half,

[@returnofthemack6295]

Or the Dallas Cowboys first season which was 0-11-1

[@TheStupidSeal]

The 2007 Detroit Lions

[@andrewpadaetz5549]

@@TheStupidSeal 2008. They and the '17 Browns were the two teams mentioned.

[@MrRyan-wu4jx]

The worst of this was the Eagles front office forcing Doug Pedersen to throw a game and then firing him for a draft pick he’ll never get to use.

[@dmartig1]

They were able to move up three spots in the draft. The Eagles drafts over the past three years have been disasters but tanked on national TV to move up 3 spots.

[@KingHarambe_RIP]

He got fired for making it so obvious and embarrassing the organization. If he did it more subtly, he’d still have a job in Philly.

[@UnholyWrath3277]

@@KingHarambe_RIP they wanted him gone regardless imo he would be gone no matter what happened in that game.

[@jaexyboy-3880]

It’s funny being the Dolphins fan watching this 6 months later it turns out our team loved the feel of tanking and having a high pick so much they even had a high pick when they were good!🥳Thanks Leremy Tunsil

[@wirebug42]

Me every time the intro/ad to one of your vids is playing: I WROTE THIS RECORD WHILE 30,000 FT. IN THE AIR...

[@YourgrandpaGaryBrown]

POV: Bengals are in the AFC championship 2 years after going 2-14

[@Manateeman12]

POV: Bengals are in the super bowl 2 years after going 2-14

[@ghostofury9755]

2:17 to skip ad

[@mbdg6810]

1:18 to watch ad

[@DolFan316]

You are doing a great service to humanity. Not even joking.

[@SgM-1000]

as a browns fan, I just routinely check mock drafts in october

[@thomassturgess6800]

Can't help but wonder if this video is going to get a sequel what with the current Brian Flores / Steven Ross situation.

[@carlhicksjr8401]

So, I'm a lifelong Seattle Seahawks fan. Since 1976. While my beloved Superchickens have had a lot of success these last 10 years, before that it was a like crawling uphill on road made of broken glass. There were a lot of seasons where they flirted with going 0-14 /0-16 and a lot of drafts where I literally threw the newspaper across the room in disgust. To this day I think that the entire Seattle media market could have wiped their asses with dollar bills for a year and STILL gotten a better value for their money than what the team paid for Brian Bosworth. But there is ONE thing that the inflated rookie contracts before 2011 did prevent, and that was tanking for the sake of an early draft pick.

[@stickfigdude7037]

I see a new Set The Edge video and I say "Yes."

[@Jedibob5]

On the other hand, the Chiefs have been making a pretty good argument against tanking. They haven't had a losing season since 2012, and still built a Death Star of a roster around Mahomes (SB loss aside, they're still pretty stacked). What I'm wondering is if NBA-style Superteams are going to become more of a thing after what Brady has done in Tampa. I don't know if anyone else really has the capability to do something like that (maybe Rodgers?), and on a 22 man starting roster it's harder to succeed with that compared to only 5 starters in the NBA, but it has succeeded at least once, so who knows...

[@smokeygoblin2467]

Bro was correct, superteams have indeed become a trend in the modern NFL

[@barthalamulevondwark7524]

damn bro you already tried watching the Wendy Williams Show? Whats wrong with you, fr tho this video is a banger

[@mcray0309]

Hey, it’s me! Wendy Williams crack dealer. As much as I like her as a customer, she seems to always buy out all my stock, we simply cannot keep up with her demands! I can’t ship 40 LBs of crack across the country. I’m not the mob. I’m a simple crack dealer!

[@GustavoCALovatto]

Great video! I think tanking in the NFL isn’t possible as it is in NBA or MLB due to roster size (bigger in NFL) and the mentioned season length. What I think we can see is teams more willing to overhaul rosters and stock draft picks in the short run, trying to “take advantage” of teams thinking of postseason glory, and even going more time with coaches that are clearly outmatched and/or on the end of cicles. I don’t know if it’ll eventually be classifiable as tanking, but that’s the most clear path. Also, there’s also the dilemma of drafting: even on an era where clear busts are disappearing for the first round pick (seriously, who we can say clearly were legitimate busts from the first overall pick after JaMarcus Russell?) and the draft being the most solid foundation for team building, talent evaluation and player adaptability to the NFL still seems to be a volatile science.

[@wordsmith451]

Anything is better than the Steelers’ strategy: be just good enough to consistently get low draft picks.

[@thesensiblesupervillain4625]

I became a fan of the Dolphins because of 2019. Their stubborn refusal to lay down and die was just beautiful to witness, as was their playing spoiler for the Patriots. Since then they've given me plenty of reasons to stay, but that season got me invested.

[@tyleralmquist7606]

7:18 Don’t forget the ‘76 Bucs, they went 0-14

[@quinngoodlive2014]

They more or less get a pass because they were an expansion team and they were kinda screwed at roster building because of the times

[@david.tousignant20]

And lost 26 consecutive games. I've never seen a more mediocre team in NFL history, even if they were an expansion organization. It was awful on offense and defensively, it wasn't really bad, but not good neither.

[@tyleralmquist7606]

@Shaan Keole I’m not saying that they were to blame for being bad or anything, being an expansion team was even tougher back then than it would be now. I was just saying that if you want to discuss ultra-defeated teams, you have to start with the original

[@calibrazxr750]

The 1960 Cowboys were also winless, although they managed a tie. But nevertheless, they didn't win a game.

[@mikespongili8254]

@@david.tousignant20 Their first win as a franchise, against the also notoriously awful Saints! lol

[@ChaseTrent]

YOOOOOOO ENTIRE FINS VIDEO? LETS GO! 🐬

[@fballtakes]

The lions have to rebuild after 3 losing seasons 😢

[@luisreyes1963]

Just 3? 😑

[@grinningchicken]

Remember when they were like lets fire the coach because they beat bad teams but not good teams.

[@JoycenatorGaming]

@@luisreyes1963 yeah, just 3. Feels longer, but it isn’t. 3 years ago we were a blown call away from a playoff berth, now we’re back at the bottom of the dumpster

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

It worked.

[@incognit0mode]

Been waiting for this video let’s go!

[@benweaver3267]

My Bengals are great at this tanking thing. We knew exactly what we were doing starting Ryan Finley for 3 weeks

[@R0b3rT38]

Nah, Browns have been doing this for a long time. You guys at least went to the playoffs more than we have. FTS tho.

[@fromthehaven94]

@Shaan Keole I think he meant last season. Because they could have traded Dalton and/or A.J. Green before the trade deadline.

[@benweaver3267]

@Shaan Keole That was one of my favorite games in a long time. And Vonn Bell laying out JuJu... it was GREAT

[@benweaver3267]

@@fromthehaven94 🤷‍♂️, oh well. He was close enough. We somewhat tanked this year away too with how awful our defense played towards the end of games. Not to mention the o-line

[@benweaver3267]

@@R0b3rT38 we could never come close to the OG’s, I solute you

[@aprescoups4593]

I’m not a huge NFL fan but only watch highlights of the games so this is the first time i’m hearing this and explains why some fans want their team to lose. I learned something new

[@AJPitty]

Your use of winless and 0-16 as synonyms is wrong, as there have been 4 winless teams since the merger, and 12 if you include teams before the merger. Good video besides that

[@DepravedCoTApologist]

'76 Buccaneers '82 Colts '08 Lions '17 Browns

[@edwardthibodeaux8815]

@@DepravedCoTApologist 21 lions

[@ivantheteribul]

@@DepravedCoTApologist One merger, one strike-shortened.

[@srivatsavyaddanapudi7772]

STE, how u feeling about the Superbowl trip? For those of yall that don't know, dudes a Bucs fan btw, And I also wanted to say its been a pleasure to be around since your Philip Lindsay video from like what, 50K? Dude has grown so much and I am proud to be one of the OGs

[@manuelrosales8295]

Bros already almost at 200k and I remember when the phillip lindsay episode came out💀💀

[@adamheitner2421]

Phenomenal video, you really outdid yourself on this one

[@johnmoore1495]

I think it’s a poor strategy, the NFL is way too random due to only playing 16 (now 17) regular season games and a BO1 winner take all playoff format. This doesn’t even take into account that the NFL is probably the most injury prone league in American sports which is even more likely to occur when you have expensive players who you want in on as many plays as possible. In my eyes it only pays to bank up for QBs and kickers. They’re well protected by rules and are the most influential players in terms of scoring. Not to mention even if you temporarily find success with a super team due to prior tanking, you won’t be able to keep them around forever. They’ll demand more money which you won’t have.

[@mikespongili8254]

It still gets me that people thought the Eagles were tanking when they took Hurts out of that game... Hurts, a rookie substitute, had a passer rating in that game right around *26*. 26 points, of 158.3 possible. On a team with 4 wins on the year. His last five drives had all stalled out badly with just over 50 yards gained cumulatively. Why NOT try the next guy? How could he be worse? It wasn't considered tanking when they replaced a terribly performing Wentz with Hurts, so why was it tanking when they replaced a terribly performing Hurts?

[@furioussherman7265]

It's funny just how poorly the sections about Miami and Cleveland have aged.

[@joehaas2598]

I think a main reason is because there are only 6-8 truly elite talents in a draft. And the difference between picks 9-32 is very small. What’s the point of finishing 8-8 and picking 16 and taking a player you could get in the 2nd round when you can finish 4-12 and get the 5th pick and get a generational talent

[@mikeym1479]

STE posting too often rn it’s scaring me

[@jasoncrocker881]

Stafford would always give his all for the Lions, which honestly kinda hurt his chances of succeeding with us because we were never really good enough to be contenders, but also not bad enough with Stafford under the helm to get a top draft pick. Hopefully he does well with the Rams though

[@fearthemunky1]

The Jags benching Minschew sure looked like tanking to me.

[@DolFan316]

Tanking seems to be perfectly fine as long as the Dolphins or anyone associated with the Dolphins (Doug Pederson) isn't involved.

[@thewhitewolf7886]

I said the same thing.

[@ryanstaiger1712]

Yo Set, can you do a vid about the Rams trades since their last first round pick? I think it would be interesting to see just how many moves they’ve made in the last 5 years

[@ryanfraley7113]

It’s time for the NFL to institute a Draft Lottery.

[@deborahlagarde7182]

Despite the ads...a great big THANK YOU for your appreciation of what the Dolphins accomplished by really not tanking...and they got Tua anyway! And for not saying Tua's a bust because Justin Herbert had a better year than Tua or because Tua had a bad game against powerhouse Bills (which was more on the defense than on Tua). And also what you said about Browns. Yep, tanking is never a good idea and as Miami proved you don't even need to tank. The Bengals also tanked...hopefully Burrow works out for them. And glad Trevor's not going to the Jets! Talk about a tank!

[@rjheller459]

I’m chill with tanking because I’ll know we’ll be there so day

[@Metalmaster4332]

And this series of Browns clips would age like milk in the Sierra Desert as Odell is now gone from the team and The Factory of Sadness is open for business

[@thejuanandonlyyoutubechann3866]

Why you always drop such cinematic MASTERPIECES?!

[@nickholland2928]

1 year later and I'm still sad that the Bengals ruined their chances of the superbowl

[@the8u9]

It felt so good when I knew the word that was coming and said it in sync with Set the Edge. "Hope."

[@michaelhedworth2976]

You showed a clip of the Broncos fielding kendall Hinton. That wasnt a tank they were fucked by the shield

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

No, they were fucked by their QBs not following the rules.

[@OriginalXboxdude]

Great video! Love to see that in depth look at Miami rebuild

[@16ktsgamma]

HERMAN EDWARDS:YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME! Doug Pederson:Nah I'll just tank.

[@UnholyWrath3277]

Colts fan here the 2011 colts were just that bad. That wasn't a tank job they tried every time they went out and just couldn't get it done despite coming close a few times. There is a reason Robert Mathis and Reggie Wayne were pretty much the only major holdovers the next year

[@ReggieKSanshire]

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if the NFL implements a draft lottery in a few years

[@cip7068]

Good call something like what the NBA has would work. You're right a lottery is coming.

[@footballtalkwithfreddy8684]

They won’t

[@rohinkartik-narayan7535]

I always found it interesting looking at tanking in the NFL vs. the NHL. The draft lottery prevents this (perhaps a little too well) because the last place team only has a 25-ish% chance to get the 1st overall pick. This is helped by the 1st overall pick not being as important in hockey as in other sports. Look at Edmonton. They got the 1st overall pick in 2010, 2011, 2012, and 2015, all to have 1 playoff appearance since 2010 (2017, 2020 doesn't count). Only 4 teams since 1979 have gotten the 1st overall pick and won the Cup within 10 years using that pick. One of those is Pittsburgh who were 1st overall by trade in 2003 and by grand lottery in 2005. Another one is also Pittsburgh with Mario Lemieux. Then there's the teams who did it later than 10 years with that pick: the North Stars (88/won in 99), Lightning (08/won in 20), and Capitals (04/won in 18). The most notable instance of winning without your own 1st overalls is the Nordiques trading away their 89/90/91 picks after drafting them and then winning in 96 as the Avalanche. It seems to be just not as effective

[@vestruxdynamic8475]

Like Kevin Smith once said "you fail your way to the top".

[@loquatvids6454]

Keep up the videos dude!

[@alexisk8312]

Always look forward to your vids! Am I the only girl that watches these vids and is obsessed with football? 😂

[@TouchT3ch]

Yo, you deserve so many more subs bro! Keep grinding :)

[@frankdinho6987]

The lions, cowboys, jets, and jaguars watching this 👁️👄👁️

[@jacksonenglish2918]

The reason why cowboys fans say we will win the super bowl is so they have a reason to root for them because frankly they never will and it is sad to root for a team like that and I am a cowboys fan

[@FretLevelMidnight]

@@jacksonenglish2918 They had more SB wins than any franchise in SB history until the Steelers won their 6th... What the fuck are you even talking about? You're a stupid Cowboys fan, if you are indeed a Cowboys fan.

[@rftulie]

When you mentioned the acquisition of franchise QBs at the beginning, that was key. You cannot tell from college performance whether a QB will stick at the pro level, let alone rise to greatness. Look at all the Southern Cal QBs, for example, who won Heismans but could not make it in the pros -- and they were coming out of supposedly a pro-type offense. Then look at (who else?) Tom Brady, who was a low draft pick and looked "unathletic," but from Michigan videos can be seen to have the most uncanny passing accuracy, even at a tender age, for all types of passes -- straight throws, touch passes, deep balls, anything. It's more of an art than a science, and just tanking to get high draft picks doesn't guarantee you anything.

[@jackstockton1011]

Bro uploading on the super bowl I see u

[@mt_baldwin]

The Browns, Dolphins and Jaguars are all at the bottom of the league yet again, while all the usual winning teams are battling for playoff spots. This should be the end of the tanking phenomenon in the NFL, it doesn't work in pro football, not if the goal is to build a winning team. The damn Lions should be proof of that, they get top 5 draft picks every year but can't build a winning team.

[@lil_kingj8226]

The dolphins really went 10-6 and got the texans pick for the 1st round they finessed the league on a different level

[@rizkyanandita8227]

It's all because of a bong.

[@chrisclark1610]

your vids are next level

[@djtrankilo231]

2:45 yeah. About the Astros. . .

[@FretLevelMidnight]

They still drafted great players, so please tell us about the Astros...

[@bingbong1966]

They cheated bud, the other team had a roster of good players too.

[@infinityquartz4744]

Loving all the praise the Dolphins be getting man, PHINS UP. And a vid on them would be awesome

[@tiddiesattic]

You should've known better than to drink the Brown(s) kool-aid

[@awalsh4736]

The beat example of tanking I know of was the Pittsburgh Penguins in the 80s. They tanked HARD to get Mario Lemieux, which ended up working for them. And there had been talk of moving the Pens before that, so it was a big deal

[@reallytho1943]

Wow and now you see what's going on with there coach and $100,000 doaller that's crazy straight knew about it

[@cip7068]

It's hard to c an alternative. If you're 1-9 going nowhere what's your motivation for 3 or 4 wins especially if you don't have a franchise qb? I hate to say it but if I was a GM and Elway or Luck or Aikman is coming out I'm tanking.

[@FlaviusGratianus]

Lions fan here. Orlavsky running out of bounds for a safety during the 0-16 year is truly my favorite football moment of that last 20 years.

[@nateg4582]

And for my Bengals it worked having went from 2-14 in 2019 to nearly winning Superbowl 56 in 2021.

[@ibraheemrao8434]

I feel like taking is a alternative word people use for rebuilding.

[@DolFan316]

The definition of tanking is also far too broad. Every team with 5 wins or less in a season is NOT tanking.

[@enmanuelperez7564]

6:40-6:46 greatest line ever written on a piece of paper

[@thewrench0157]

Oh coaches can definitely tank, there’s no other way to explain Doug Perterson’s decision

[@emilegriffith1473]

Dude hurts had like 97 yards 2 picks and 30 percent completion. He was yanked as many othet qb are when sucking

[@grinningchicken]

Or in a meaningless game he want to give a long time backup a chance to see if he had could provide a spark when the starter was struggling. That was the least controversial yanking a QB i've ever seen.

[@thewrench0157]

@@grinningchicken lol, nice one man

[@emilegriffith1473]

@@grinningchicken exactly. I don't see the controversy at all

[@stpaulimdog]

He kinda half way admitted to it. I thought it was terrible to fire him for it. How you fire a superbowl winner even on one down year? The team was old and rebuilding. That's the main reason they sucked so much. Not the coach.

[@randybobandy9447]

Great work!

[@PraizeJashin]

He didnt have enough time in this video to talk about the tanking of the Lions since Night Train Lane played for them LOL

[@vngel1020]

0:12 I chuckled a bit in this part, it’s so true

[@billjohnson1111]

2019: Tank for Tua!! 2021: Trade Tua for Watson!! 🤦‍♂️

[@logan3213]

pro gamer move

[@quincyjackson3428]

TANK 4 TUA 2 TRADE 4 WATSON

[@DolFan316]

No point in letting a bust hang around on the roster when it becomes known he's a bust.

[@billjohnson1111]

@@DolFan316 I agree, but it proves the point of the video that tanking is a bad idea. They threw away years of their franchise for an unproven player who they *thought* was gonna be their franchise QB but turned out to just be average so far.

[@DolFan316]

@@billjohnson1111 I personally was against drafting Tua from the start but I also knew I was fighting a losing battle and they were taking him no matter what. And if we're being honest there was absolutely no indication from Herbert's college career that he'd be so good so quickly. And his team still finished just 7-9. I was still completely for Miami's general approach (other than going a bit too far with it by trading off Minkah and Drake) and they would've made the playoffs this season had they faced any other team but the Bills in the finale. The same Bills team that beat the Colts and Ravens BTW.

[@joel5956]

Belichick would never tank but, man, he's got so much influence with the Patriots that he could flip a 17-0 team to a 0-17 team if he wanted. He's HC, GM and the de facto DC. He's even got family among the positional coaches.

[@mikevismyelement]

I hope Andrew Luck is happy but goddamn the NFL misses him

[@ibraheemrao8434]

Tell how exactly the make has Patrick Mahomes, Deshaun Watson, Russell Wilson and Lamar Jackson and Justin Herbert also came out GUNS BLAZING as a rookie.