The Rise of the Right is the Left's Fault - Stephen Fry

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[@davidbrinnen]

Well done lads, your channel is certainly living up to the name, judging by the many salty comments.

[@Kylephibbsky]

The issue I have with many Liberals, even here on Triggernometry, despite my profound respect for this channel, is that they still treat right-wing thought not as an alternative way of looking at the world, but as a kind of disease that must be contained. "The rise of the Right is because of the failure of the Left" as phrased as though right wing viewpoints are an unnatural thing, that the default moral human viewpoint is to be a liberal and if people move away from it, that is not a matter of their own conscience but rather, a policy failure.

[@hustle3011]

Exactly. They have their heads shoved up each others arses with the supposed moral superiority.

[@joshualieberman138]

I think though that Stephen Fry views being liberal very differently than the way it is being pushed by current society. He talks about a type of morals where people would self-censor themselves to avoid being offensive to others. Progressives now shout their abortion and their own truth and society be damned. The right now consists of the conservatives and the classical liberals.

[@Nonsensically]

Could not agree more.

[@TheJibbajabba12]

Well said.

[@Oaktree481]

Although I kind of agree with your point, what exactly is the political-philosophy of the ‘right’? I mean there is conservatism, right liberals, I mean even National-Socialism is rightwing, although thats the very far right. I’m not saying that you or anyone is a national socialist, but what is the main political philosophy of the ‘right’?

[@mskman83]

Fry is what we call a champagne liberal here in America. He does not suffer the actual outcomes of this ideology first hand. His wealth and status has shielded him from what normal people have to deal with. He is kind and intelligent as far as I can tell but his opinion isn't worth much.

[@robkeeleycomposer]

He’s smooth and superficially polished rather than kind, suspect.

[@visionlandmusic]

Agreed.

[@taliawilliams2401]

Luxury beliefs

[@amyself6678]

Fry was gay in 50s, and struggled w failure and drugs and stuff, he ain't a rich wuss not speaking from brutal life experience. All Brits however are a bit protected, ocean barrier, free health care, stable democracy, they all miss how rest of world has more fear. Fry does overvalue brains.

[@carldunmore7182]

Fry seems to think the censoriousness of Wokeness is only used against 'rudeness'. Britain's MI5 has 55 000 muslims on its terror watch list. I wonder if that would have become the case had taxi drivers been able to freely converse with the voters and politicians they ferry around

[@Toracube]

Stephen’s house has no windows. He doesn’t see what is happening all around us.. and you don’t have to be ‘far right’ to see it.

[@jakeforrest]

Stephen Fry enlightens his house with his halo.

[@guitarmatricide4834]

@@Toracube I’ve admired Stephen Fry for years but my estimation of him has been plummeting further and further downward in recent years. I’ve noticed he has to mention he’s gay and Jewish at least 12 times per interview lately…

[@Rensune]

@guitarmatricide He's a man All people have flaws Some more than most.

[@edvarddahler4673]

Absolutely agreed. He is a wonderful voice to listen to for ideals, but sadly it has no bearing in fixing the real issues of our time.

[@docsavage8640]

@guitarmatricide4834 that's an attempt to evade criticism because he thinks he gets 2 shields

[@nhand42]

Stephen Fry complains about Musk having an unfair advantage because he has a bigger megaphone than everybody else. But for my whole life Stephen Fry has had a bigger megaphone than I have. He's enjoyed having the privilege of more people listening to his opinions. That never concerned him. He's only concerned now because Musk has a bigger megaphone than he does. We plebs are accustomed to being ignored. Welcome to the club, Stephen Fry.

[@Coko_Ono]

Bingo

[@denneysteve3994]

So you agree that Fry and Musk should not have an unfairly bigger voice than you or I, if democracy and free speech is to function. Well said.

[@danishdart]

Well said. Additionally we all have to accept that the universe is unjust. If Elon being born at the right time with just the right mental aquity to be as successful as he has become and you think he doesn't deserve it? Then neither do you deserve(you who is reading this now) whatever success you have in your life. Life isn't fair but if you allow others to flourish to their full ability then You've earned the right to do the same. Not by the universe.. It doesn't care. But by rest of humanity.

[@JohnnyRingo-c5v]

@@denneysteve3994no , fry shouldn’t moan about musk , fry has talent and has earned his big voice and so has musk

[@tubetorpedo]

Left also only got seriously concerned about billionaires getting media or social media after Musk got X, they had no troubles when people like Jack Dorsey, Mark Zuckerberg or Jeff Bezos got control of various big media outlets. It's the similar kind of hypocrisy like how there should be female president, but not THAT female who they do not agree politically (or at least is not wearing same political label).

[@PhageTheFinalCure]

I think not as many people are as right wing as the left believe, but rather the left has gone so extremely far left that people who are center and left of center, now sit comparatively on the right, despite having not changed their political position.

[@markyNUFC80]

That's spot on, especially for me.

[@PWMoze]

Same here.

[@varjaprotassova196]

Also I do not understand why believing in higher taxes, good social security and free schools for all should automatically mean I should support unlimited influx of islamists, men in women's sports or the awful replacement of many school subjects with identity politics and shaming of the West. How the hell does one thing lead to the other? I'm in Finland and just amazed at how we've imported the nutty anti-racist bs. The Finns literally were subservient themselves, they had no slaves and no colonies.

[@justmemimi7338]

Precisely! We’re standing on the same spot on the platform. It is the train that has moved.

[@laikanbarth]

Yep, that’s how it happened for me too. I haven’t changed at all.

[@peterepiscopo]

Mocking trans ideology is not punching down.

[@juliabazanska]

He's talking about individual people, not an ideology. Big difference.

[@havingfun-u4g]

@@juliabazanskaWho cares? If people can't take being mocked they can change the channel.

[@tonycatman]

Yes. Fry conflated the mocking of a confused child with the mocking of trans ideology. Nobody is thinking of the kids when they are doing the mocking. We are thinking of 6ft beardy guys with wide shoulders who get violent when they are misgendered. We are thinking about low-intelligence students who want to go on a march, chanting "trans rights are human rights" We are thinking of politicians who will say anything for a vote. And we are thinking of the lowest-of-the-low surgeons who will butcher kids for money.

[@GodwynDi]

​@@juliabazanskaI get mocked all the time for being a white man. If I were to mock or even say something without careful phrasing of my speech about a trans person I could be fired. Who is punching down on whom?

[@wjdeoliveira3809]

It's punching up at this point

[@moosestache1769]

It's funny to hear Mr Fry say that slippery slope is a fallacy and then 1 minute later express dismay at how absolutely mad things have become. There is a slope, it's quite slippery, and we're on it.

[@aiistyt]

Logic not your strong point ius it

[@homewall744]

@@aiistyt So you either think the mess is deliberate (and thus not the slippery slope), or you don't think there's any mess now.

[@BMTroubleU]

​​@@homewall744 false dichotomy. But I might see what you're saying. The left has slipped from 'you can change your gender, not your sex' to 'trans women are women'.

[@brettmuir5679]

​@@aiistytprojection anyone?

[@kdog3908]

It's a fallacy when it's used in place of a sound argument. If you can *argue* things will get worse then, that's valid.

[@rangerwhite5165]

"Right wing", is a normal, rational thinker 20 years ago.

[@earthsurgery1237]

The left has been lying about the right for decades

[@realistic_delinquent]

“Right wing” is the liberal democrat of the pre-Obama years

[@paulmichaelfreedman8334]

Haven't watched it all, but has the big question been asked "Why did so many prominent democrats switch sides and become an avid republican?"

[@tubetorpedo]

E.g. what Trump is, is mostly what US democrats were 20 years ago. He seems to have so many similar views you could expect some democrat saying back then.

[@removechan10298]

right wing hasn't really changed (neocons were always neocons) fry is so wondefully smart and charming, yet so lackluster dull and stupid: amity, happiness, joy, friendship... ARE NOT THINGS YOU WANT OUT OF A FKN GOVERNMENT JESUS CHRIST - if fry would just say "these are things i believe in, but... if i delineated them on what GOVERNMENT should do... then i suppose I am not a leftist"

[@carbonnieferrous2689]

I just love the way KK makes people in general or in this case the wonderful Stephen Fry, go back on what they have just ostentatiously stated as fact. Fry is a lovely man but he is 100% rooted in the establishment camp. Fry is part of the problem not the solution, that much is obvious from this delightful discourse.

[@PWMoze]

That's exactly what I thought. He has nothing to offer because he still thinks we have a social/political culture that actually disappeared fifteen years ago.

[@racheljames7]

He's not wonderful or lovely. He's is a vile, hateful, anti Christian. He stole money and did time for it in a cushy prison even though he was well off and didn't need it. He sleeps with a man who dresses as a teenager. He's gross. He helped destroy this country.

[@miss-nomer]

It’s difficult not to like Stephen Fry, but as far as UK’s national treasures go, at this point I’d much rather see an interview with Jeremy Clarkson.

[@malakispanien]

Exactly my thought.

[@iless664]

You’re in a school of 29.

[@sc3pt1c4L]

I don't find it difficult. He is a parasite of other people's wisdom. Very little, if anything of his output is original, he quotes great writers and historians and scientist, but none of it was his creation. He is rich enough to be able to read a lot that's all.

[@tusker4954]

Funny I find him completely self entitled & unlikeable

[@eleminatus]

What a clown world we live in, where Clarkson is valued more than Fry.

[@ShootFirstNS]

still thinking the trans issue is a minority of the population who are oppressed is exactly why we're in the mess we're in and people don't know where they stand anymore. If you're going to say comedians and the like are 'punching down' when they make fun of trans people it's worth mentioning who exactly is championing these trans people and allowing men to take over womens sports. Most people couldn't give a rats ass about trans people until it's forced on them and they get bullied for being weird, so what? I'm a white heterosexual male and I've been called weird and bullied in my life, I didn't start protesting to have people arrested because of how I felt. But sure, go ahead and give them a protected status, that'll do nothing but help and I'm sure it won't be taken advantage of.

[@MrPeachblossom]

all the discussion is helpfull to cover up the real reason behind the rise in the the trans debate

[@chaz6727]

@@MrPeachblossom enlighten the world vlad

[@grannyannie2948]

I saw the effects in my region. As the ideology was introduced to schools parents enmass moved their kids to Christian schools. So the result is a generation of little Christians.

[@carldunmore7182]

Wokeness rules every institution and most of the media, with an iron fist. By definition, critiquing trans advocacy is punching up

[@grannyannie2948]

@@carldunmore7182 Opps too drunk to make my main point. As soon as the working class woke up to the ideologies of government schools they scraped up the money to pay for private Roman Catholic schools.

[@timwright5466]

I washed out when he said familys coming to the uk in rickity boats illegally..not familys young men only why cant he accept what he sees .

[@GodwynDi]

Because if he admits he is wrong on one thing, he may have to ask questions about the rest.

[@farrongoth6712]

So right. This is the same as his statement, "the left are more interested in being right than effective", they haven't been right for at least least 20 years, 20 years of lefty policies ruining the country and all they do when the evidence demonstrates they are wrong is double down. The left are more interested in convincing everyone they are right, rather than actually being right.

[@amyb.6368]

He doesn't see it. He sees whatever echo chamber facts have been presented to him and thinks its dangerous to break out/beyond of said echo chamber because the ebil rightwingers will get you out there.

[@AWT8900]

​@@GodwynDihouse of cards

[@kayrb2475]

He chooses not to see it, wilful blindness. And is insulated from reality in his elite ivory tower.

[@AndrewHunterMusic]

Fry is deeply out of touch. The “slippery slope” of “wokeness” (that we were told was hyperbolic moral panic not that many years ago) was clearly not a logical fallacy. It was a logical Prediction that continues to be proven correct. And no one argues that freedom of speech is the summit of the mountain, we argue it’s one of the essential foundations of the mountain.

[@RT-xb1gy]

Slippery slope is only a fallacy when the top and bottom of the slope are not connected by a series of logically coherent and connected concepts. Gay marriage to Minor Attracted Persons (MAPS) being a good case where each step along the way led to the introduction of the MAPS concept and increasing fringe acceptance.

[@furrycannon]

The slippery slope of wokeness was a logical falacy. It was not a slippery slope. The fondations were laid out in full in acadamia as far back as the 1960s. It arrived fully formed and fully insane. It didnt slip there over time, its advocates just gained power and influence.

[@tubetorpedo]

I've noticed same thing in recent years about his lack of touch. He has made several strange of contradictory statements when I've listened some of his interviews. Also yes, freedom of speech is not the top of the mountain, it's a thing that opens up possibilities to reach higher heights of that mountain because you can use it to both present new ideas but also e.g. criticize bad ones.

[@visionlandmusic]

No longer relevant

[@trulytrue8008]

Listen to yourself dude: “Stephen Fry is out of touch.” Repeat it several times to yourself.

[@visionlandmusic]

It's not punching down, to disabuse a person of the fantasy that you can be 'born in the wrong body'. This a ridiculous strawman argument. You have an obligation to tell the truth and not deceive people who struggle with their identity, by telling them lies that are ultimately damaging.

[@MrJoel9679]

Glad to see people picking up the detail and not just rolling along in absent minded agreement with the discussion.

[@Galdring]

Fry is just backpedaling. He was on Norwegian TV some years ago and talked about how Wokeness was a good thing by young people that cranky old people were railing against like cranky old people do.

[@peterbyrne3228]

So you don't believe people can be born in the wrong body?

[@jordanyoung8184]

Stephen, I was that child who thought I was in the wrong body, I'm now firmly and proudly on the right wing of politics, partially because of leftist attitudes.

[@markyNUFC80]

I am a proud gay man, but I fear I would have been indoctrinated into this trans path when young if I was a bit, well a lot, younger

[@jordanyoung8184]

@@markyNUFC80 agreed, my grandma actually asked me if I thought I should've been female when I was 6 and I said "I don't know", thank god there was no easy medical path for me to be lovingly kindly pushed down.

[@Gorbyrev]

Working with young people we have gently helped young people through their crises, believing they were trans, often with strong parental and educational support. But by caring for them without affirming the condition they have made it through to an acceptance of their biological sex with all the complexities that entails.

[@kennyevans6197]

well done on your great escape ....many don't make it out, makes me happy to know you have..

[@jordanyoung8184]

@ I only did because it wasn’t possible to do what is done now, because people didn’t convince themselves they were moral saints for pushing it.

[@Muonium1]

Very surprised and disappointed to hear his gross mischaracterization of the Chappelle stand-up bit. He wasn't punching down at all. As a homosexual man like myself, he should be able to CLEARLY see that the trans activist loons are the ones with power now. THEY have the ear of the president and your PM. THEY have the ear of academia and media. Chappelle wasn't punching down, he was punching up (and very much NOT directing his acerbic wit at children!).

[@NikiBechusWTF]

100%

[@nw8000]

His Charlie Murphy skit is the best thou right??

[@Fee_V]

@@nw8000 🥰

[@Fee_V]

Indeed! 👍 x

[@memykios7160]

He didn't touch the subject, but actually did. He focused on the kid, who has these ideas, which according to me are wrong, but to that kid are reality. In fact, it is just about being kind to kids who are messed up.

[@joss8558]

"A decent person doesn't want to offend.." No, sometimes a decent person does want to offend, circumstances exist where deliberately offending is the moral thing to do.

[@SierraSierraFoxtrot]

As Christopher Hitchens said "there are people one might wish to offend".

[@ktrigg2]

Sometimes ridicule is the only defense against unintelligible positions.

[@BMTroubleU]

The first caveman to hurl an insult rather than a rock is the progenitor of civilisation

[@alittlelooney5361]

I thought that quote was cute. So very British.

[@jill7759]

The difference perhaps, is intentionally offending another for only the sake of being unpleasant and not in pursuit of a greater point or to defend an important principle. Offense is a strictly subjective condition almost always and we appear, quite suddenly, on the “slippery slope” when governments attempt to mandate what is or isn’t offensive. Free speech can, in large part, be mandated. It’s not possible to mandate amity, contentment or the elusive state of not being offended by the speech of others. Mandating that, in almost all situations, no bars will be placed on speech produces inevitably some uncomfortable situations and people who feel aggrieved but it is far and away preferable to the alternatives.

[@lisakaplan2304]

I have a great deal of admiration for Stephen Fry as an entertainer, but he is way too out of his depth given the scope and breadth of trans/identity and islamo/fascism, etc. It's not simply stating an improper phrase or indelicate situation. Simply stating the truth about Britain's mass invasion and the subsequent victimization of mostly women and girls is to end up with prison sentences. He's surrounded by his own bubble. He doesn't really get it at all.

[@CARambolagen]

To merely call Fry an "entertainer" is like calling Elon Musk "a car manufacturer".

[@Lisa-x3n5x]

He's been to Israel, and knows more than you think. He's half Jewish for goodness' sake. He's been trashed heaps of times and knows exactly what it is to be a bullied minority.

[@TheBro_UK-yw2gu]

I agree - he is a skilled and adept public performer, specifically a theatrical entertainer. He is educated and articulate. But he builds an argument then instantly agrees to the counter. As General Melchett I love him.

[@adamslarke5483]

Fry was one of those chipping away at Britain and its values with his London-Bubble friends and now wants to step back and tell us why it's damaged. No thanks.

[@visionlandmusic]

He is absolutely culpable.

[@miriistina]

Now, now ​@@visionlandmusic. We all know he doesn't handle criticism well.

[@MrJoel9679]

Yeah. He alludes to the conspiracy in Ireland to undermine its culture and then complains about where it’s going because he lives in a house of cards. Glad FF challenged him straight up.

[@racheljames7]

Well said. Stephen Fry is a prat.

[@racheljames7]

​@@miriistina He'll claim its antisemitic and homophonic and it's bad for his mental health. And then he'll blame other people for being woke 😂

[@JustSteve85]

This is not the same man who stood up for discourse in the Munk debates.

[@Asto508]

Fairly sure he got threatened within his circles, nothing he will ever admit atm.

[@icarusjumped2719]

20 years of struggle sessions will do that to you.

[@robbailie5878]

Stephen I'm sorry mate but theres not boats of families coming across the channel.

[@eddyrourke5514]

There kind of is pal, cause the economic migrant men on the boats bring their families when their "asylum claims" are approved.

[@johan8969]

Maybe he just has a thing for 18yo Albanian males

[@MrMando]

They also sink the boats on purpose even with kids on board which is why they die half the time, to force us to save them as in our waters (the law) echr

[@EpicAelflaed]

They’re soldiers

[@spoochymcgoo1616]

hehe or the Solent. Dirty migrants from the ISLE OF WIGHT.

[@Nightdare]

"An opinion about biology"? Odd phrase I do not consider biology an "opinion"

[@Loonypapa]

I wish more on the right shared your view. Maybe they'd leave pregnant women alone.

[@mattjack3983]

I don't either. It's more of a matter of fact to me

[@alejandrotorresriquelme8714]

Biology is a lving thing, even the concept itself. Most people will try to use biology to fool you into believing the unthinkable, but human nature is immutable.

[@tubetorpedo]

Fry has been someone I have held in high regard my whole life (= after I've started encountering him first through comedy and acting and then other things he has done, said and debated) due his various talents and general intellect, but in recent years I've heard more and more totally out of touch statements from him which either made little sense, or was a direct counterclaim to something he had just said within last 5 minutes so it looked he is holding two opposite viewpoints.

[@kubamoscicki4272]

From my experience, every fact about the world needs to be put in some context to be better understood. You can have different opinions about the broader context of specific facts (maybe because of a lack of knowledge and maybe there is some knowledge we won't be ever able to reach) In other words, a specific fact is nothing. You need to know how something interacts with other things and relative to them. Even math should be put in context to describe the world. Therefore, in this case, what is the most important is context not only facts.

[@Jay_WTF]

Wanted to scream multiple times. I love this man. National treasure. Salt from good earth. Disagree with him on the framing of all of his arguments. Gutted.

[@bulltraderpt]

He's always been an ahole.

[@judithcressey1682]

He is a phoney. Always has been.

[@GingerDrums]

Uff. Indeed this is sad, especially the misunderstanding of Chapelle... How can He be so tone deaf in this case, yet so sharp and astute in others... Well I guess that just makes him human.

[@notreallydavid]

'salt of the Earth'

[@paulmichaelfreedman8334]

Up till about 5 years ago, nothing wrong. But since then his views have become somewhat narrower, to put it mildly. Maybe it's his age.

[@solidground338]

The people who mocked and ridiculed Christianity are saying that the western culture is under attack, forgetting that the western culture is Christianity 😂😂😂😂

[@barryfoster453]

Yes, but Christianity and Islam are still rightly open to ridicule. We must ridicule the preposterous.

[@vatsmith8759]

Yes, but a country's culture changes over time. The English used to worship the old gods before they switched to this new Jewish one and now most of them don't believe in any of them.

[@RobertFletcherOBE]

So If I'm an Atheist or agnostic I'm not western? Is a Japanese christian western then?

[@racheljames7]

​​@@RobertFletcherOBE You know full well what the OG commenter was saying. They made a perfectly valid point, but like most atheists you can't help being childish and petty.

[@racheljames7]

Exactly. Well said. I'm sick of people like Fry, Cleese and Rowling getting pats on the backs from the right just because they occasionally say the sky is blue.

[@titan2583]

Says the very man that AIDED AND ABETTED ALL THIS MADNESS

[@2frogland]

reminds me of neil degrasse tyson trying to justify woke

[@Loonypapa]

I grew up in a time when 'woke' held its original meaning, which was to be forever aware of the dark underbelly of institutional racism. The newer meaning is foreign to me. I keep catching myself going on line and reminding myself of the new incarnation of the word. Old Woke was straight up legit and warranted. New Woke seems really contrived and misguided.

[@realistic_delinquent]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@Loonypapa you’ve got the interpretations reversed. The original definition is an ebonics term of art justifying rampant antisocial and criminal behaviour in black American communities of the 1990s by waving the phantom of white supremacy like a klan hood on a pike. The new definition, used properly, as the insult it always ought to have been, effectively means “vain, self important, or ideologically indiscreet, and acting in contradiction to a stated objective”. You’ve been a rather pliant punching bag in this comment section. It’s easy, if not as gratifying, to defeat a rotting vegetable in a contest of wit.

[@matis188]

Because liberals can't argue against woke. Liberalism is about equality and progress. They can't say "now stop". Why would they say that? Traditionalists, conservatives or non-liberals can say stop. They can set barriers past which they do not want to move. Quick example: Liberals wanted gay marriage. They got it. What was argument? Two people who love each other. Now somebody comes and says: "I want to marry my brother". What will they argue? Why should two homosexuals be allowed to marry and not two brothers? If argument is love, they should be allowed to. Reality is, there is only one argument why brother and brother, mother and son etc. could not get married. Because marriage is about children, creating next generation and creating stable environment for children. And that there should be separation of gene pool (hence no incest). That's the only valid argument and it is the same one which invalidates gay marriage.

[@craigleith100]

Funny you mentioned that 😁 the last time I saw Stephen Fry was when he debated with that mouthpiece Tyson 🤔👍🏼🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@thesugardaddy7037]

​@@LoonypapaHow is it contrived and misguided? It's a term that just took on new meaning over the years.

[@a2d]

I must say, Fry's smugness was off the charts when he was talking about Dave Chappelle punching down at those poor, helpless, defenseless, weak little transmissions. Is that really how you feel about them? Cause that is mighty patronizing.

[@sockpastarock7082]

Yes. They are a weak minority. Stop pretending you give a fk about talking down to them. The reason why most Americans can't afford a home or to start a family or why most Americans live pay check to pay check or why wages have not kept pace with worker productive output or why Americans refuse to see the doctor when they are sick or any of the countless other ridiculous socioeconomic issues plaguing America is not because of the 7 trans people beating the sh*t out of women in women's boxing. It's because of the corporation which own your existence. Do you know how many residential dwellings are bought up by the likes of Blackrock and other private equity funds? Do you know how much taxpayer money was STOLEN by the banks across every time they've been bailed out of bankruptcy? Do you know how much of the wealth you work for every day is stolen from you and trickled up to the 1% out of your pocket? And you want to keep whining about trans people being the problem? Open your eyes. Nobody actually gives a fk about trans people existing when they aren't sure where their kid's next meal is coming from. The whole culture war nonsense is a distraction pulled over your eyes to give you an easy enemy to hate so that you won't think too hard about who your ACTUAL enemy is. It's so disappointing that the public just keeps eating this garbage up. Every week for the past 5 years I've heard nothing from every right wing media outlet but whining about woke bullsh*t. Curated highlight reels of random blue haired r*tards from tiktok saying something stupid and the media holding them up as though they are on the level of Noam Chomsky in terms of representing the left. Don't you think it's funny how they only show these idiots and never invite someone like Chomsky himself to come on their shows? It's a simple and easy narrative to believe that trans people are the boggey-they/them and that all your problems are their fault but the truth is far less sensational and far more nefarious. You've been buying into a carefully constructed distraction designed to paralyze you from taking any meaningful action for years.

[@SolarShine]

There is a lot to like about Mr Fry. But he’s been rich and famous for so long, cushioned and cocooned within high society, I don’t think he knows what’s affecting ordinary people. Parts of him seem to be very aware of “the left” having messed up, while in the next breath he’s downplaying it all. Where’s the anger? Like I’m “on the left” and I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore!

[@deborahflello2316]

Excellent insight, I concur wholeheartedly,.

[@warlockofwordschannel7901]

You have a point he's intellectually on the Left with none of the fire or passion that poorer people have to stoke.

[@bryden72]

The left died years ago. And has been replaced by nonsense. Has nothing to do with the working classes anymore. And starmer is clear off his nut

[@Shine_a_Light2024]

Yes!!! 🙌

[@willoschOG]

I for myself think that every discussion or debate is better off with less emotion. Outrage is not a proof of sincerity and you can be very productive without it.

[@curlyspikes7114]

I don't buy into the "national Treasure" label given to Fry. I find him very overrated but the label seems to have been put on him by the modern British establishment and media class (private education and Oxbridge) that he is part of and embodies, A bourgeois lefty who presents himself as the some sort of unifying voice of reason and sanity but underneath the verbosity is as about as relevant as any other bubble dwelling luvvie.

[@racheljames7]

Fry makes me sick. He pontificate about decency while he sodomises a bloke who dresses like a teenage emo.

[@thomasmclain6888]

Brits constantly heap praise on Fry, but this interview shows that he is simply a banal leftist.

[@114Riggs]

I think Mr Fry doesn't understand Chapelle. Chapelle spoke deeply about his Trans friend committing suicide. Chapelle blames us and himself for not finding a solution and I think Dave thinks, affirming transgenderism is the problem not the solution. Thats just my take.

[@Pipervojta]

I think Chappelle was punching down. I think all in all he has like 5 specials with transgender jokes. And these jokes are still the same. They are valid: the joke Michael Jordon identifies as a woman and scores 150 points at a game - OK, I see what he meant. Of course. But repeating that same joke in every other special? Why? It doesn't serve any purpose than: Look I can say these things, cos they can't cancel me. But it is not even funny, it is and old material. it's lazy.

[@JR-wu1fg]

Probably more nuanced than Fry's....

[@jtprx7589]

Agree!!

[@billdoor1569]

5 min in and Stephen says the dumbest thing about slippery slopes, Stephen, we are living in the slippery slope predicted 20 years ago, it is not a fallacy.

[@racheljames7]

And he called the people who were saying that 20 years ago bigots and racists. This mess is Stephen Fry's fault. I can't believe I ever fell for the lie that this odious creep is clever. In his defense, he did state he's not actually clever, just good at remembering. In other words, he admitted to being little more than a parrot.

[@TheJimNicholson]

It's not that people want to say things that are palpably offensive; it's that certain things will be called offensive even when they have an entirely factual basis. Honest, factual criticism of non-western cultures has almost completely disappeared, for example. Another example is how the anyone critical of illegal immigration is immediately assumed to be critical of immigration of any kind, and that the basis of this is racism.

[@sirrathersplendid4825]

MASS immigration is the real problem. It’s 20-fold larger than the illegal variety.

[@lhurst9550]

Wow, didn't think Stephen could be so wrong.

[@Belzediel]

As the revered master of philosophy, St. Johnathan of McClaine once put it, "Welcome to the party, pal!"

[@lhurst9550]

@@Belzediel Just watched Diehard this week, first time in decades; man every scene was a pure pleasure to watch. Maybe I was missing the '80s or it really is just that good.

[@Belzediel]

@@lhurst9550 It's just THAT good.

[@Soulessdeeds]

Social media is where celebrities come to destroy their legacies. Very disappointing to see another person I once admired speaking about people he doesn't even know.

[@mottorcyle5052]

He's one of the people responsible for the state of the west.

[@ernimuja6991]

Old white people in power. It’s like everything wrong from housing market to DEI initiatives can be traced to these out of touch individuals.

[@josephbrown9685]

Exactly. He goes around saying and doing all kinds of ridiculous politically correct stuff and then complains when there are consequences for the actions.

[@Fnelrbnef]

Responsible? Okay one thing is to disagree, but come on.

[@Primaate]

Ironically Stephen Fry introduced me to Jordan Peterson on Munk Debate, whom has saved the West imo.

[@Thisisahandle701]

@@mottorcyle5052 give example or "nah"

[@TheSteinin]

Get Tommy Robinson on the show, I bet he can tell you what is not allowed to be said, compared to this man.

[@jaybee9269]

He’s still in prison. A political prisoner.

[@Michael-p7y7m]

He did a full on interview with peterson. Worth checking out.

[@notreallydavid]

@@TheSteinin You're not allowed to breach contempt of court rules and possibly undermine a trial (potentially,enabling child rapists to go free), or to repeat a slander despite being warned very strongly not to - so yes, there's things you can't say.

[@notreallydavid]

@@jaybee9269 No, an attention-seeking repeater of a slander.

[@dickgoblin]

Wtf wasn't he an actual neo nazi...

[@ASeekerOfLostSkills]

Who would have thought Steven trashing his own Culture for years would have unintended consequences.......

[@Phil-io4mj]

Amen. These liberals will always have their cake and then they will eat it.

[@MyIDIsNotAvailable]

Yeap. Dawkins the same..

[@js1423]

@@MyIDIsNotAvailableDawkins critiqued people like Ken Ham who deserve to be mocked and ridiculed. There are intellectual Christians like Alister McGrath and the lake John Polkinghorne, but it seemed the right doesn’t like them...

[@paulmichaelfreedman8334]

Fry has lived in high society for so long he's lost the big picture.

[@visionlandmusic]

Exactly.

[@sheilac2160]

He’s forgetting that the working class are very patriotic, and therefore he’s dismissing them as irrelevant as they aren’t his class

[@robkeeleycomposer]

Stephen’s problem is that he wants to be loved by the right people - usually the people he was with at Cambridge. Metaphorically at least. Insulated from reality. I wonder how long he’d last if he lived in Luton or Rotherham.

[@cmmndrblu]

Wasn't there was a period of time when he lived with his cousins because he'd a bit light-fingered ?

[@H2Dwoat]

00:15 there is no probably about it. The left continually refer to anyone to right of them as far right. They are in a way correct in that they are far to the right of them but that is only because the left have gone so much further left they have disappeared over the horizon.

[@Ma55ey]

To be fair the right do exactly the same. 😂 as we can see in the comments lol

[@H2Dwoat]

@ hi, i can’t agree with you I’m afraid. I fully accept that there are individuals and groups that are far right in the traditional sense but I don’t believe there has been a shift en masse to the far right as there has been with the left. Calling a centrist who leans right, far right is massively insulting and designed, in my opinion, to try and dismiss those who disagree with the left. I do think there has been a shift to the right as a response to some of the insane nonsense being espoused by the current left. I think I have seen a shift to the right even in those that would have been considered left of centre historically.

[@nicolasjanvier8617]

You have no idea what you are talking about I'm afraid... how has the left gone so far as to go over the horizon? Do you see any attacks from the left against private property, or any attempt at controlling the means of production (these are fundamental leftist ideals)? What exactly or those leftist values that have gone over board? What you describe as 'the left' would in any political scientist view be the center, or at best some form of socialism.

[@havingfun-u4g]

@@Ma55ey Because the comments are the same as major publications and the most powerful institutions.

[@mr.blonde5344]

That's nonsense. The majority of Americans on the LT belong to normal 9 to 5 middle-class American families. The RT loves painting us as these out-of-contol lunatics. The extreme figures on both sides do not represent their voters. Donald Trump included.

[@jonathanstensberg]

Fry is a walking reminder that one person can be both very right and massively wrong at the same time. It’s really a public service, he does.

[@projectzed5766]

He's a walking contradiction.

[@peterg9966]

He believes in free speech so much that he deleted his X account

[@judithcressey1682]

As someone apparently once said he is the stupid person's intellectual.

[@tonycatman]

Good point. He is enormously smart, with outstanding communication skills. So when he is wrong, he puts the case more eloquently than practically anyone on the planet. I've always loved him.

[@GodwynDi]

"The left would rather be right than effective." Except they are WRONG. The left is doing all the totalitarian things he fears the right may do, but somehow the "left" is still correct. Utter insanity.

[@TheDirkster72]

This man is using his intelligence and linguistic eloquence to deviate ones thoughts into thinking he has a mild left/centrist outlook. In reality Mr Fry is speaking from both sides of his mouth and like others have said he is exactly the reason the West, the UK, is suffering so many culture issues. He is still deeply politically left wing. Fact.

[@bobbym6130]

He said he's a leftist in the first 10 seconds

[@gurmith]

I agree. He's always been approved and celebrated by the liberal establishment and now uses his 'eloquence ' to defend the last throws of leftist homogeneity and power in a changing world where all of their influence has been blown out of the public square by new internet based media. He comes across as rather pathetic in his defence of the old order cause' it's thinly disguised and desperate self preservation.

[@paulmichaelfreedman8334]

My respect for Fry has gone downhill for the last 5 years. Those Pindex narrations? I couldn't agree with more than 10 percent of what he was on about. Assuming it was all his writing and opinion, or at least he agreed with what he had to read. Maybe him being gay, combined with his age(or the period that he grew up in) that he cannot help but think the right wing is associated with Nazis and racism and "purifying" humanity, while that is totally untrue. And the trump gang certainly is no extreme right wing, the white house has seen Presidents that were way extremer than Trump's right-ness (did I say that right, pardon the pun?)

[@stevenrickett4333]

Saying ‘Fact’ at the end of your comment is merely an assertion and has no value.

[@walkinondamoon1]

He is left and he is against what the left has become. He also, if you listened carefully, said that he was going that woke path and was rightly attacked. Which means he changed his mind about things and admitting it. People are allowed to go down a path for a bit and remember who they are and come back. As a free thinker you are allowing yourself to change course and admit to your fallacy. People shouldnt judge people for their past ideas, especially when the person doesnt change his core principles but the "add ons". Its also hard to judge when the person can see most sides of an argument without bias through logic. And its a choice which one to choose. It ultimately comes down to depending on the situation. And you can hear him in that thought process takeing both sides to many arguments and saying both are true.

[@marcbra5074]

I don’t care what people do, But they care that I’m not doing what they do - to the extent that they don’t want me thinking differently, as if it’s a threat to them.

[@lowtech41]

Fry reminds me of John Cleese who when he got old he complained that the norms he mocked and undermined were gone.

[@SashaUK-tl9nl]

Bit surprised by the slavering sychophancy over this man. He talks on both sides of his mouth, and is fully paid up on most woke lunacies.

[@londonbobby]

Peter Hitchens describes Fry as a stupid person's idea of what an intelligent man is. He's not wrong.

[@Dacijo]

If anyone else was saying the things he is, they would be pushing back a lot more

[@AnnalyFaith]

He’s changed his tune since the recent US election… just this summer he was all for opening up his gentlemen’s club to women. IMHO because of the trans lobby wanting into women’s spaces. I think women need safe spaces just for women, just as men need and should have their own single gender spaces. He’s a great actor and very intelligent but as a moral person we’re not even frequenting the same library never mind reading from the same hymn sheet😂

[@BelteshazzarBaumbruck]

@@londonbobby Ha! Ha! That's classic Peter Hitchens..! What a put-down! I'll have to remember that one..!

[@chrisf9377]

IMO it's the assumption that anyone with an upper class accent or who has been to Oxford or Cambridge Uni is really smart. But that isn't necessarily true. (E.g. Conservative & Labour politicians.) You can get in to Oxford or Cambridge if your family knows the right people or if you have a sporting skill (E.g. Rowing or rugby).

[@ebrearley3134]

His trans argument is a strawman. People don’t have sympathy for grown AGPs, they feel very sorry for children and this is why they fight the cult. I have lost all respect for Fry. Pathetic.

[@AdamIndikt]

Fry’s use of the word empathy regarding trans is such a travesty, particularly when he refers to children. He cannot see the abuse, or less flatteringly I think he like many turn their eyes away and shut their minds, so empathises with the pain they suffer, blaming the confusion rather than the evil ideology that causes it.

[@notaclue822]

Well I thought him characterizing a Trans person as he was where he was out of touch. Its clear the trans community is very well funded and supported.

[@aimbrigs441]

Fry would have no respect for your boorish cliches and oversimplifications anyway.

[@grannyannie2948]

The trans ideology certainly backfired. As soon as it came to schools in my region parents sent their kids to strictly Christian schools. So the result is atheist parents raising very Christian children.

[@rohandante]

@ebrearley3134 - AGPs???

[@brick6347]

He worked for the BBC and did a party political broadcast for Labour. Buyer's remorse, methinks. He's certainly done his fair share of threatening western values.

[@js1423]

Fry is a big fan of classical literature, so I wouldn’t say he hates western values. He has even written books about the Greek myths

[@notreallydavid]

'Methinks' is a great word to not use, B.

[@LittleAriel]

To the current Labor party?

[@notreallydavid]

@LittleAriel Labour Party - just as it's Pearl Harbor everywhere, even in 'harbour' countries. Australia has a Labor Party - Americans were involved in setting it up. The standard Oz spelling of the activity is 'labour', though. This had been today's Fun Fact. All best.

[@luckysamurai]

and what precisly are these so called western values being threatened?

[@InnerVoiceOfReason]

Nobody believes they're born into the wrong body, not until they're told that it's a possibility, which is absolute nonsense. Putting such notions into the developing brain of young people (no matter how well meaning) is a brutal destructive life retarding if not evil doing. Nodding along with these poor souls is not an act of kindness either, it's closer to cowardice.

[@cmmndrblu]

21:22 Stephen Fry going after Dave Chapelle. And then straight to framing things in terms of "the trans child." Children are quite prodigious at make believe. And being honest with these kids, not affirming their delusion, letting them wear their clothes but not telling them they're born in the wrong body, is not a "lack of sympathy." It's good parenting and basic safeguarding.

[@huxleysbull6164]

Is this like it was to watch Elvis at the end of his career?? Must all heroes fade away??

[@racheljames7]

Elvis was always a good singer. Fry has always been a twat.

[@MrD_2112]

The left: Who radicalized you? Me: You did!

[@simonebest6013]

LOL, I always for Decades blamed the Right for the Rise of the Left! Now that Left is Loonyville, Bout time the Right (Trump) has introduced common sense.

[@kdog3908]

This. Essentially. I was, also, probably one of the many that watched, in utter bewilderment, their political 'home' turn into a ship of fools.

[@Nightdare]

Very apt comment

[@Madonnalitta1]

​@kdog3908 exactly.

[@visionlandmusic]

Correct. He rages at God throws Him out and then wonders why everything is messed up.

[@neochance]

I've listened to 50 minutes of Stephen fry rambling and that was too much. This man is incapable of finishing a thought

[@Gloomshadow100]

he's an intellectual fraud.... give him a Southern accent and he would be invisible.

[@patrickwoods2213]

He’s far more intelligent than 90% of Americans- which is more than I can say about most celebrities.

[@agffans5725]

Please keep the "state of Denmark" out of it 😁, Ironically we do not suffer the same problem as the UK, with only 14 asylum camps and no hotels packed with illegal immigrants.

[@Belzediel]

...and of course your fabulous bacon exports have been getting suspiciously long these last few years...

[@agffans5725]

​@@Belzediel .. jokes aside , Denmark's biggest export is actually biotechnology and pharmaceuticals (from Novo, Lundbeck, LEO Pharma, Orifarm, ALK-Abello, Bavarian Nordic, William Cook and so forth) , then food that now has become more expensive everywhere, not to forget that the worlds 2nd largest container shipping company Maersk made their largest profit ever last year, and LEGO is always doing great no matter how expensive it is. So unlike the UK that has a £22 billion budget deficit this year (for some undisclosed reasons), then "tiny" Denmark has seen a government budget surplus in the range of around £7bn to £14 billion a year since 2021, despite a huge increase in military spending's and the several $ billions worth of military aid for Ukraine.

[@Belzediel]

@@agffans5725 XD

[@Norf.F.C.Zoomer]

​@@agffans5725my question is how Danish is Denmark though? Couldn't care less if you got 0.4% gdp growth or whatever banal number it is. Becuase here in the UK that's the real loss, our natives and our culture.

[@agffans5725]

@@Norf.F.C.Zoomer .. If you visit Denmark in the summer, you will notice the Danish flag everywhere, so much that it would put the Americans to shame, so Danes are very flag-waving people, taking pride in the fact that it's the oldest National flag in the world. The big brand companies like Novo, Carlsberg, LEGO and what have you, if not strictly family owned, handed down from one generation to the next, then private cooperatives or not-for-profit foundations, to make sure they cannot be sold off, but are for the benefit of all Danes. The Carlsberg Foundation that is the majority shareholder in the Carlsberg breweries is a not-for-profit organization that supports all sorts of different Danish cultural events, and invest in Danish culture. They often also own each other, like the multinational Falck emergency services company that is owned by the Danish Lundbeck pharmaceutical foundation, Kirkbi ( an investment company owned by the Kirk Kristiansen family who created and own LEGO) and Tryg Insurance and Tryg Foundation, that is promoting greater safety in society through long-term investments in health service in general.

[@SixthGlory]

Mr Fry. Didnt the world get to this state because in the 90's and 2000's we were being polite. I think its time politness takes a back seat to the truth. Even though it hurts your feelinhs. Fry is fighting for arguments fought 8years ago. Its well beyond the point now in 2024. Battle grounds are fought in classrooms for the minds of children and we sane people need to speak up.

[@douglaswright2143]

This is such a disappointment in every way. What has happened to Stephen Fry? I am guessing he is so insulated from the current dystopia, that he doesn't seem to recognise the brutality of the times, "It was always the case" etc etc.

[@Loonypapa]

What dystopia.

[@ernimuja6991]

@@LoonypapaPpl going to prison for mean tweets, and violent criminals being released to make space for them.

[@oliversmith2129]

@@Loonypapa very apt moniker "What dystopia"

[@Loonypapa]

@@oliversmith2129 incredibly weak retort. At least put the work in and answer the question. Because from where I sit in America, six miles from Trump's spread in Bedminster NJ, there are no signs of a 'dystopia.' Robust GDP growth, nominal wages up, low unemployment. There's a lot to like.

[@SuchaDoofus]

Yeah what dystopia. Life is fucking great.

[@johnricercato740]

It’s always interesting to listen to Fry: he is bright, knowledgeable and articulate. But, that said, he does - despite criticising the left - often represent their worst faults. When he says ‘the trouble with the left is they prefer to be right than effective’ he is tacitly implying they are right. But they are often wrong! They are wrong to embrace CRT, to obsess about trivialities such as transgender toilets, to promote highly divisive identity politics, to cancel those they disagree with, to downplay class, to propose climate change policies that would immiserate half the world, to name but a few of their erroneous projects. Marx was mostly wrong, so were Lenin, Stalin, Pot Pot, Mao etc ad infinitum.

[@astraea9644]

I think a better definition would be they prefer to be seen to be virtuous

[@JuliePascal]

They'd rather be self-righteous than be effective. Performative Virtue.

[@johnricercato740]

@@astraea9644 And yet they are not even that! They’re frequently nasty, vindictive, prideful, domineering, immoral, self-important, violent, arrogant, destructive………

[@racheljames7]

You've explained perfectly why he's utterly uninteresting.

[@crilton]

"Slippery slope" is not a fallacy when it comes to laws and power. I hate it when people think that because THEY think a certain way everybody else does as well.

[@Belzediel]

The slippery slope is when you say 'If A then B and C must follow'. It's not fallacious to say 'If A then likely B and likely C'. Lot of people, including Fry slip over the imperative aspect.

[@occasional-dabbler]

I'll see that 'slippery slope fallacy' and raise with the Overton Window.

[@letmelie4757]

There's only one reason, one culture, that has raised the issue of basphemy laws in our country. Wasn't brought up to protect the Jewish, Christian, Hindu, or Sihk faiths, it was brought up to silence the people voicing criticism of the rising nation of Islam within our borders.

[@nicolasfl1864]

What Fry considers “Manners” or “Politeness” will lead to the slow death of Europe unfortunately.

[@Rensune]

The fact that he views the "Right" as a threat at all shows how deeply miseducated he has been for most of his life. Hell, there's barely a moderate party in his Parliament, let alone a "Roght wing" one.

[@peanutbutterbruv]

There are at least three. The original (Tory), the extremists (Reform Company Ltd) and the current government (the party that used to be for the working class, Labour).

[@maxdamagusbroski]

He doesn't understand that even as a gay Liberal, he has more in common with Conservative values and culture than the modern left.

[@Dacijo]

​@@peanutbutterbruv What is extreme about Reform?

[@Joakim-j7h]

@@peanutbutterbruv None of those are in anyway ''Right wing'', If you think that then your part of the problem. Right wing doesnt exist in any European countries. You dont need to be ''Right wing'' to be oppressive, totalitarian or dictatorial.

[@Rensune]

The Tories (Conservative) haven't actually been Right wing in decades. Seriously, ask most people on the street their policies and they wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

[@paullegend6798]

Free speech is a bedrock because it is essential to protect against tyranny. You must be free to critique and critise the establishment at all times, to hold it to account.

[@ajb7786]

Twenty minutes in and all I’ve heard from Fry, a person we’re bullied into pretending is smarter and more enlightened than he is, is juvenile and prejudiced opinions.

[@c.alejo8846]

it is the sign of the times. Now comics are public intellectuals and philosophers. We had George Steiner , Octavio Paz , Savater on TV . Even Gore Vidal and Buckley seemed more to the popular side compared to that. Now we have this. Yeah, its not tv and that was legacy media. BUt still... what are people reading and watching?

[@nickb8321]

It was a marvel to watch a man of such pith and wit be so utterly vague and anodyne. Well, at least he's preserved his career, if not his credibility..

[@PWMoze]

Well said. Much more to the point than anything Fry said.

[@johncartwright7052]

I'm quite left wing, but the idea of putting people in jail for speech is so Antithetical as to cause revulsion. I think it's awful to call fat people fat, simply because it's rude, but it shouldn't cause someone to be arrested. Calling someone by their former name after a name swap is also rude, but far from a reason to be placed in jail.

[@BoxingOfficionado]

Really disappointed with Fry. Feels like the commentary of a dinosaur, pointing out flaws of the status quo, happy to continue his support of “leftism”, unable to see that leftism is how we’ve gotten here

[@patrickwoods2213]

He is not far left. That’s the point. There is left of center, and right of center - giving oneself wiggle room to pivot and change their mind. And let’s be honest- it’s only a matter of time before the right goes too far in one direction, and then people will start to move to the left again. Until humans can learn to get past their extreme tribal instincts, the right vs left crises will never be solved.

[@V.C.S69]

Here is a man who is acclaimed for his intelligence, what a “Luvvy” has turned out. He had the same ridiculous response on Brexit, he doesn’t have a clue which side of centre normality is….Well I do not have his level of intellect, yet I consider myself far superior to Mr Fry’s level of wisdom and common sense. For goodness sake, someone give him a poke and let him know the left is to be a Communist/fascist who are so anti Brexit, Monarchy, religion And democracy as we are experiencing with the vicious nasty leftists of today.

[@racheljames7]

I can't believe I ever fell for the media lie that Stephen Fry is inteligent. He's nothing more than a parrot who repeats whatever he's told to repeat.

[@philwatts]

A lot of people confuse being offended and being insulted. If you say "I think that's offensive" it suggests it's universally offensive to everyone else on behalf of everyone else. "I think that's insulting" is a personal matter and what people actually should be saying.

[@canadada640]

-o dear. Love Stephan Fry: the voice of temperance & reason aka the 'decency' quotian. ~ Sadly, he's ALMOST of another era now. ... Good interview, fellas. 👏👏🙏⛄️❣️

[@BrianFitzpatrick-ur6zx]

As Julie Burchill said, “a stupid person’a idea of a smart person” or something similar.

[@seanpaul3954]

It's a joy to hear Stephen speak as he uses English so beautifully. He mentions his fear for immigrant families coming over on rickety boats..from what I've seen it's mainly young men who are arriving.

[@keigre5319]

Gaslighting at its finest.

[@FunkHumpty]

He loves young men. Isn't his husband a third of his age?

[@judithcressey1682]

A joy it is not.

[@syphiliticpangloss]

Exactly. Fry is insufferable. His misdirection is exactly the problem on the left.

[@Melanie_Star]

"Mainly," but not all.

[@duncanfindlay3227]

Oh dear, Stephen, you have a long way to come, it is not a slippery slope it is the thin end of the wedge.

[@RichardEnglander]

9:15 this is a terrible argument left unchallenged. It is a strawman of what people mean by "You can't say anything anymore." People get police visits for thinking that a woman can't have a peen. They went to court for it. He's in denial. The lads let it roll.

[@LuisCarruthers]

I thought the same thing. The fact that the taxi driver was afraid to say it does not mean it was an incorrect view.

[@wjdeoliveira3809]

Yes he is contradicting himself so glaringly, it's amazing. He says he paid for a person's lawyers because they were about to be sent to prison over speech, and then suggests that the taxi driver was an idiot for saying his speech was being limited.

[@ChrisMarsh-f1m]

Yeh and he slips into a strong accent when degrading that person - classism at its best - his equivalent of the basket of deplorables comment.

[@Wysaw]

It was challenged seconds later.

[@Belzediel]

Yeah. Fry seems oblivious to the fact that the refusal to say what cannot be said is the issue, you can tell someone you won't report them, but you cannot ensure it, there is no way for a cabby to know Fry won't take note of his badge number and phone the popo as soon as he's out of sight, and THAT is the method of suppression..

[@roro-mm7cc]

With Stephen Fry you need to ask clear and structured questions to prevent directionless rambling

[@racheljames7]

He'd do that no matter what because he's a confirmed liar.

[@wobblyarrow84]

Where are all the families coming over in boats 😂

[@AmanitaWoodrose]

Stephen shouldn't do interviews if he wants to maintain the veneer of intelligence

[@tubetorpedo]

What was the quote... it's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt.

[@guitarmatricide4834]

@@tubetorpedo I was thinking the same thing. I believe you’re thinking: “It is better to say nothing and be thought of as a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.” - Mark Twain

[@mjpm2409]

Yep. Nigel Farage definitely has a point for millions of people.

[@Phaeron123]

I wish they had challenged him more when he double spoke.

[@PrimalBlue-l6o]

I remember at Uni having an argument with a girl two years under me, whom I thought was wrong in her position. She very calmly and politely said "I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed person, but please do come back when you have evolved"...............I was killed with class.

[@FirstnameLastname-rc8yd]

29:41 that look on his face of regretting he likes Stephen fry so much lol. I do like him but had a similar face in that moment.

[@spivvo]

This was a great example of asking a couple of question then just shutting up and letting your subject dig their own grave. He dug it.

[@yscol1313]

Stephen Fry is the one who was moaning about Musk buying twitter only a couple of months ago… he was completely incoherent on that occasion, strange. Like he was playing a role that he knew he needed to play on that radio station.

[@racheljames7]

I ever come to realise Stephen Fry isn't inteligent at all. He's just good at remembering scripts.

[@hellodavey1902]

24:14 Huge respect Konstantin...Stephen is someone we all hugely admire, and yet you very delicately & clearly called out and challenged his essentially 'straw man' reasoning from this point onwards to perfectly relocate where and describe what the real battle lines are, and where people so often start talking at cross-purposes 👏👏👏

[@judithcressey1682]

We do not 'all hugely admire' Stephen Fry.

[@James-o2u9x]

​@@judithcressey1682We do when he s in Blackadder.

[@guitarmatricide4834]

@@hellodavey1902 What alarms me is who did he think was sending him those anti-Semitic insults after he addressed the nation about the rising amount of hate crimes against Jews? The “far right”, which is a pejorative term that’s thrown around so much it doesn’t mean anything anymore or the radicalized leftist university students just released from their reeducation camps? I’m American, so forgive me if I was incorrect about any of those details.

[@hellodavey1902]

Fair...after this video..perhaps I should start using the past tense.. I was shocked that as a comic himself he accussed Chapelle of punching down. I'm not even that big a Chapelle fan...but I watched that special at the time and I'm pretty sure the show was structured in a way to show that not all TG people are snowflakes. I guess I'll hold on to some respect though as long as keeps his sharpness and hard thinking on matters of God & religion.

[@simonclare-fu7sx]

the problem with so many Liberals is they cannot ever accept their views could be wrong, they always assume people just haven't understood them and if they did they would never consider being conservative, I find that very naive and more than a little arrogant, this was shown very strongly in the Brexit vote and the MAGA vote, even now they have no idea how they happened

[@melkerner]

Good hearted, and the best example of utterly misinformed and the reason we have the problems we do. So wrong on so many things. He feels a certain way, but the proof that his viewpoints and ideals DON'T work or work counter-productive to the philosophy he espouses is ignored because he lacks the ability to reflect on the results and oppose what he previously stood for. "immigration" stance is the prime example.

[@racheljames7]

He's not good hearted at all. Good hearted people don't slanders Christians and call people racists when they point out bad things Muslims did.

[@RichardEnglander]

Fry helped to make it this way, pushed the idea that we should always veer-left. He is woke, he just managed to stay supporting free speech for most things...

[@justmemimi7338]

He doesn’t understand that the “kindness” that they speak of, is conformity of ideology and behaviour. He has a lot of reflecting to do.

[@MegaAshabasha]

The right didn't rise, the left sank to Hell in order to meet the bar the right had set. They just missed the mark by approximately one circle of Hell.

[@n0w3lly90]

Stephen for me is a national treasure. I am no "leftie", but, what I love about Stephen is his devotion to the truth, his fabulous humour and career that made many of us laugh (Jeeves & Wooster and Blackadder remain two of the most hilarious things ever shown on TV for me), his pragmatism, his critical thinking. Superbly engaging writer too. Do I agree with everything he thinks politically: no. But do I have great respect for him: yes, absolutely I do

[@racheljames7]

His devotion to the truth? He slanders Christians while excusing the bad behaviour of muslims. He bemoans woke people for being anti free speech while refusing to acknowledge thatbhe played s huge part in helping them. He's attacked everything that makes this country great, and you still respect this odious creature? God help you.

[@notundermywatch3163]

It's disturbing how much he physically reminds of Piers Morgan.

[@ktrigg2]

Is the right not a check on the left as the left is on it? Why is that direction always painted in an almost evil way?

[@havingfun-u4g]

Because people on the left believe themselves to be the moral warriors of society.

[@FordPrefect-Earth]

9:12 - that their very own nation has been violated until they're a minority in their own capital and major cities? That might be a more accurate retelling, Stephen!

[@evalramman7502]

Either a secular tyranny or a theological one. What a shame.

[@ThePhoenix9090]

This has to be a joke. Fry spent the first 30 minutes trying to make the age old straw man working class pub talk then when Francis puts that down easily, outlining the stuff that gets you fired if you tweet about it or arrested Fry agrees like he hadn't just. Like wtf? I dont honestly give a fuck if you think hes a treasure blah blah skewer him if hes gonna gaslight you, to your face. They did it to that justpearlythings woman so they are capable.

[@Belzediel]

Skimming through the comments I am pleased to find essentially no-one who's opining that Stephen Fry is a treasure.

[@gerritzondag1585]

I have deep empathy for children who struggle with their gender identity. Affirming their delusions, however, is not empathy. It’s just abuse.

[@racheljames7]

Fry, a man who sleeps with someone who dresses like a teenage emo, would call you a bigot for that.

[@schiz0phren1c]

It's almost as if Mr. Fry is advocating for good sense and tolerance(REAL tolerance!)...not laws forcing opinions on people...imagine that!

[@thewhitbyphotographer]

I once respected this man.

[@CARambolagen]

And there are ample of reasons to keep doing so!

[@racheljames7]

Me too. And only God knows why. He's pathetic.

[@racheljames7]

​@@CARambolagen Your pretentious of grammar explain why you have an ounce of admiration for a fake such as Stephen Fry. He's what a stupid person thinks a clever person is.

[@briansmith7256]

To be honest, here. I only lasted 13 minutes in. I know that probably says more about me than the video. But I actually found this rather tedious to listen too.

[@visionlandmusic]

Yep, all too predictable.

[@AnneRoe-kp1hs]

@@visionlandmusic You said it, What a pity.

[@PorkChopAChunky]

The slippery slope is without question real. Give em a inch and they take a mile. This guy is a bag of wind.

[@caterinemasak2193]

Thank you I thought he is a wind bag as well far removed from the reality of ordinary peoples lives. God made ordinary people and this snob looks down on them. What a brilliant ass!

[@judithcressey1682]

A windbag, a blowhard, a phoney, clueless.

[@barryfoster453]

He's vile.

[@JuliePascal]

A fallacy has to survive contact with reality to remain a fallacy.

[@homahak]

Yes that struck me the same way. The “slippery slope” is perfectly apt when referring to bad actors not operating in good faith (no pun intended).

[@notme222]

Stephen seems like one of the many people who criticize Chapelle but didn't actually watch his act. Dave basically said "Be who you want but I'll always see the difference." If that's "punching down" then you really need to investigate to what extent you expect the world to accommodate you.

[@realistic_delinquent]

As a “hwaite maaale” i’m sick to death of being held responsible for the ills of the west, and I won’t dogpile upon myself, thank you very much Stephen.