The rise of the 'tradwife' • FRANCE 24 English

[@LexiBellaart]

Also if you are an influencer it’s a JOB so technically you aren’t a “Trad Wife” if you are an influencer- because it’s a job and u can’t have that!

[@katek2432]

no only technically but actually, since influencers sometimes make good money and it can be more than their husbands having 'normal' jobs but they like to sell its audience some BS ideas like 'I'm just a trad wife and my husband provides for me and solves all the problems while I'm just being pretty for him' at the same time creating content every day.

[@LoneWulf278]

And it’s an extremely time-consuming one because you’re preparing and writing out all of your content before filming, editing, and uploading it. It’s kinda hard to be an attentive caregiver if you’re doing that every week or more. If it’s their choice, it’s fine. But I think they’re trying to sell it to people as if they’re the most authentic representatives of it (basically like every other influencer with a shiny new lifestyle trend).

[@AlbertBormant]

More like the "return" of the tradwife. This was normal until a few decades ago.

[@jeremytine]

and women used to property as well, times change

[@philv3941]

"normal" is not a valid criteria to define good or bad. It's just a classic logical fallacy, variation around the appeal to tradition

[@robertchmielecki2580]

@@philv3941 In defence of the original poster, he didn't say anything for or against the idea, just stated some facts, so didn't commit a fallacy.

[@philv3941]

@@robertchmielecki2580 the subtext, with the "until" is to claim we are in an abnormal situation. And i guess you understood it too. Cause if not, it's obvious that "before" was different than "now", no need to recall it.

[@jejewa2763]

It is funny that a feminist was asked about it but not a trad wife...how about respecting a woman right to decide...

[@lauralemon4890]

it's funny how anti feminists love to use feminist lingo to try to create a narrative that favors their point of view.

[@lauralemon4890]

it's funny to see anti feminists using feminist lingo when it's convenient for you

[@commercialcbc]

It's a French media. This is the norm here in France. There is never a debate, there is only one possible opinion

[@thenderson8135]

It is called ending feminism using fashionable trends.

[@lauralemon4890]

ending what? feminism is a political movement that will continue to exist. what these women are doing is making poor choices that will impact their lives in the future.

[@lauralemon4890]

ending what? lol you wish

[@thenderson8135]

@@lauralemon4890 That was just describing the process. My wish is the contrary as you can see from the syntax.

[@Razzaque-pk4ou]

Trade wife have social media account, they have bank account, they have voting rights,so many feminist rights,what's trade about that?

[@alexsilent5603]

I think "TradWife" means traditional wife.

[@marilenaganea6578]

Traditional wife's of the 50's and before had no bank accounts and no jobs, we're stuck in being the property of their husbands. How is trad wife to have your own escape in case your trad husband break your bones?​@@alexsilent5603

[@lauralemon4890]

@@alexsilent5603 yeah. and you didn't answer the question.

[@pragueexpat5106]

Many self-proclaimed "strong and independent feminists" got sick and tired of the 9-5 grind and decided to "abandon" feminism, find a man to leech off of..

[@LoneWulf278]

How is it leeching if she’s deciding to serve him and her family?

[@townsendv58]

Support your statements.

[@Thermopylae2007]

Typical modern media on the trad wife issue.. It's now far- right to suggest a lifestyle choice that was largely the norm just one or two generations ago.

[@lauralemon4890]

it's 2024

[@jeremytine]

slavery used to be the norm to, your point?

[@LoneWulf278]

Let’s not be obtuse. It’s a lifestyle that is mostly endorsed and positioned by conservative right-wing people. That’s why they are called ‘conservatives’. This is the tradition they prefer to conserve compared to liberals. It’s not a baseless accusation unless you think it’s a bad thing or fear judgement. But it’s definitely a valid observation.

[@engineeranonymous]

It is your life and your only life. Live like you wanted to live. Just be aware of the consequences of the choices you make now for your future self.

[@62Cristoforo]

The guests supposed connections she draws between traditional culture and far-Right ideologies seems a bit tenuous and far-fetched. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, as Freud once stated.

[@jandp2941]

It seems to be so fake… why are fully believing in influencers now?

[@systemcheck2769]

Some people just can't let go of the dream. Can't bring themselves to reconcile with the fact that it was all a lie.

[@systemcheck2769]

Someone should make a compilation of all of the domestic abuse in 1950's cinema. Something else that was considered normal a few generations ago.

[@frankprit3320]

it's a lie now.

[@victoriadegand2393]

I’ve been both a high level Executive with 2 successful careers & a Traditional wide. I prefer traditional. NOT ALL give up financial independence. That’s a fallacy.

[@Findingyourtrueself539]

I grew up in the fifties. I can say that the “wives “ of that time were really frustrated with their homemaker roles.

[@LoneWulf278]

I think anti-feminism appeals to people who don’t want the responsibility or pressure of the modern world. Understandable. 🤷‍♀️ I’m sure they genuinely love serving their families. But most women do that already, without calling it a trend or tradition. What she said about DV seems like conjecture considering we haven’t seen a difference in the rates since women have been liberated fifty years ago. It all depends on how men are being socialized to perceive women, not necessarily financial independence. A man can harm you in a house that you own. It’s a complicated subject.

[@markmuller7962]

Let's not forget the hundreds of millions of people (mostly women) undiagnosed with a neurological disorder and this might be a way to cope with an unforgiving neurotypical world

[@txbre8758]

I’m good. My boyfriend is German and we both agree on a partnership together not this trad wife lifestylen

[@MarcinCE]

Nicely manipulated material

[@LexiBellaart]

ITS A 🪤 TRAP

[@chidozieugwu-oju7069]

I think it is better for women to play both roles by working and also being feminist as long as they are assisted fully by their husbands. That way they both strike a balance.

[@lornahuddleston1453]

Yes. And society must play a supporting role in the lives of families.

[@philricher9844]

Pretty balanced discussion then 😆

[@passerau]

Indeed, you can tell 😂🤣🤣😅😅🤣😂🤣😅

[@LoveFactorySweatShop]

I eat at a restaurant every meal. I don't want a wife that cooks, I want a wife that earns enough so that we both can eat at a restaurant every meal.

[@martthesling]

You'd rather eat somewhere than home? ok

[@LoveFactorySweatShop]

@@martthesling poor people, or people with kids, eat at home.

[@martthesling]

@@LoveFactorySweatShop yes, because rich people never eat at home...

[@koushikdas1992]

​@@LoveFactorySweatShop Is food more nutrient based at restaurant than home made food!? May be not at all.

[@townsendv58]

Quite somple block the tradwives on social media

[@henaimtiyaz4189]

When you say that women should behave in a particular way and not do this or do that to be accepted by the society at large then apply the same standards to men. But it's ironic that it hardly happens since we live in a male dominated society who just can't see a woman excelling thus they want to mold women according to their needs for which social media is responsible to a large extent in degrading women. Don't generalize this regressive trend

[@timallison8560]

sickening.

[@RangerXXT]

we trading wifes?

[@quell9398]

... gross

[@elizabethiloveelohim137]

It's called loving family instead of being killers

[@lornahuddleston1453]

It really sucks that we can't be partners in trust and mutual goals. If we can't cooperate around having and raising healthy and sane children, then why even bother to try? Kids need parents who can set aside their personal greed and focus on the well being of the next generation.

[@lauralemon4890]

it's called sleeping with your enemy

[@asifgulzar1697]

LONG LIVE DONALD TRUMP

[@aetherion7]

2:07. "Touch me at places you were not supposed to touch a woman"? What does that mean? What places, and/or how, on the body is where no one "is supposed to touch" another. XD

[@zufex2029]

The places where you are supposed to touch is woman is for instance hand when handshaking. ;)