The Rivals Role Queue Debate| Marvel Rivals

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Old_Head_Gaming

Old_Head_Gaming

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@HighSummonerBWM
@HighSummonerBWM Ай бұрын
1. There's no items to buy, there's no lanes and there's no jungle role. 2. This game enable us for all to think about how to be creative and synergize with each other through abilities. We also can change roles and champs at any time. We won't know the other team's pick until after we encounter them. 3. This isn't Dota or League. I do not want to go back to anything reminding me of them. I rather not have any role ques. It helps players become more creative and actually think about what to do. The champs also have a secondary role to them. I love being a Strategist, yet C&D, Raccoon, Mantis, and Loki can be seen as secondary Duelists.
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
I agree with this, but never heard the term jungle role before. What is that?
@stillspirit3106
@stillspirit3106 Ай бұрын
​@@OldHeadGamingin moba games like Dota, smite, and league of legends there are usually three lanes typically designated as top (for tank/bruiser) mid (for mage/duelist) and bot(for dps and support player) in between each of the three lanes is a jungle where pve like monsters reside that is where the jungle player spends their time they then leave the jungle when they want to help out whichever lane might be struggling (please note this is an over simplocation) In those mobas it is very rigid on roles and I agree with OP I left those games due to role rigidity and never want to experience them again. I used to love OW especially day 1 when ulyou could play any role you wanted even multiple of thr same character it made it super fun and a fun challenge to try and beat a team that decided to go 6 DVA's lol but the moment blizzard forced role que was the moment the game died for me and I left I really hope netease sticks to their guns and avoid role que. Thanks for making this video I stumbled on it and was glad to see a voice of reason in this debate
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
@stillspirit3106 thanks I'll be honest I've never gotten into Mobas so I wasn't familiar with the lingo. I appreciate the overview
@qballa2787
@qballa2787 Ай бұрын
This is giving a lot of faith to a player base and it’s an edge devs have to walk.
@nrdscott
@nrdscott Ай бұрын
I'd agree with you but players don't get creative. They go online and get told who's strong and exclusively play those characters. It's mostly DPS players and either no tank or no supports and the dps-insta-locks are just being selfish in a team game. That's the reason people want role queue. There's no such thing as main healer and off healer but people make stuff up. Not every game with shooting mechanics needs to turn into CoD but that's what always happens. It's just not fun for people that want to work with teammates and see all roles played. Saying you can't adapt is just a self report.
@zombiemeerkat8958
@zombiemeerkat8958 Ай бұрын
It's not that roles are necessary, it's that roles do add a benefit to certain scenarios within a match.
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
and thats why I talk about the flexibility of learning new things
@zombiemeerkat8958
@zombiemeerkat8958 Ай бұрын
@OldHeadGaming oh I know, I was just reiterating
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
@@zombiemeerkat8958 exactly Zombie
@devilcwesker5980
@devilcwesker5980 Ай бұрын
I'm not waiting 20 mins for a que
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
@@devilcwesker5980 I don't want to either I like having a match in 20 seconds or Lexx
@caiuscosades362
@caiuscosades362 Ай бұрын
The misrepresentation that people who are asking for role queue are dps mains needs to stop. There a many tank mains who are tired having a fraction of the fun everyone else is and still losing.
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
To be honest there isn't a lot of Vanguard mains either. The 18 Duelist out of 33 characters kinda makes people wanna play dps
@caiuscosades362
@caiuscosades362 Ай бұрын
​@@OldHeadGaming When I play tank the most I can ask for is 1 strategist, when people don't get that, that's the kind of situation that makes the most clown mode people for role que.
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
@@caiuscosades362 I feel like people will eventually just want to win some matches 🤣
@Seoul_Soldier
@Seoul_Soldier Ай бұрын
@@OldHeadGaming You underestimate how much people put their own "fun" before actually winning. The 3/22/0 Spider-Man calling my Mantis dead weight when she had 26K healing is wild. This was a plat 2 match btw.
@SwashBuccaneer
@SwashBuccaneer Ай бұрын
Wanting a role queue has nothing to do with what OW2 does, at least for me. They built this game with tank, healers, and DPS classes so the game is going to be balanced around that. Some of the most annoying matches are the ones that are so out of whack with role selection they aren't worth playing. If they don't want people to play with the role mindset then they should've made a game without the holy trinity of roles. Just my 2 cents.
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
I respect that.
@SwashBuccaneer
@SwashBuccaneer Ай бұрын
I do enjoy the freedom though too. So I go back and forth lol
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
@SwashBuccaneer on this topic I'm William Wallace. You can never take our Freeeeeeeedom!
@limitlesstheone3812
@limitlesstheone3812 Ай бұрын
I think people are forgetting that this is a marvel game. So it's most likely that people are simply just picking characters they are fans of, so why the would they pick a healer or tank? For example. I mainly want to play as Spider man, moonknight, and venom. So if the duelist and tank are taken up I then have to play as Mantis or Rocket, two characters I'm just not interested in.
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
@limitlesstheone3812 I get it & we're getting more characters in s1 too
@StoicScape219
@StoicScape219 Ай бұрын
Speaking of Overwatch, remember when it actually was open? And everyone wanted to play dps and barely touch tank and support? Yeah, we’ve been through this already. Overwatch literally did this already. You don’t get to totally play what you want when it’s “open” because if your team is lacking, someone has to switch. Fact is healing is busted in MR and it’s basically throwing if you refuse to switch. It’s the illusion of choice. Sure, you can make some crazy team comps. But at what cost? Losing games? Not playing what you enjoy? It’s new right now, but metas do form in these games. People will find what tends to be most effective, be it 2/2/2, 1/3/2 etc. Even OW has both role/open queue as separate options. Players have the choice. And given the choice, role queue/lock is significantly more popular than open queue when placed side by side on the same screen. Players will wait for a match knowing they can play what they want.
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
I do remember when it was open at the start, I was there.
@Seoul_Soldier
@Seoul_Soldier Ай бұрын
@@OldHeadGaming Yeah and it was shit.
@ender5892
@ender5892 Ай бұрын
True. People are afraid marvel rivals will become like overwatch ( as if overwatch was the worst game in the world without any good qualities and dead despite people never shutting up about it ) just because it has a role queue. Literally this is the reason people are so afraid of marvel rivals having a role queue. They act like if they implement this the game will suddenly become overwatch, it's pathetic. I personally cannot stand marvel rivals without a role queue anymore. It was fun at first but now I'm simply tired of having to play roles I don't want to. Even when I play the roles the team needs, support or tank, my job as a healer is so much easier when I'm not the only one. It's miserable being the sole healer or sole tank. There's a reason role queue is more popular on overwatch than open queue, it's that it's simply BETTER. if free queue was truly better than role queue, then nobody would play role queue on overwatch. I don't care if the matches take a while to find, I'd rather wait to have a good game experience than become trapped in a loop every 10 seconds of bad experiencies. If the game itself suggests 2 duelists 2 healers and 2 tanks they should add ways to make this composition easier to exist. It doesn't necessarily need to be 2-2-2 , but at least 2 healers and a tank. 1 healer can work but I don't think it's ideal, being the sole healer is too stressful and as soon as the other team has 2 healers you'll lose. people on overwatch get blinded by nostalgia and think the game was better some years ago because their lives were better some years ago. Launch overwatch was terrible. If it launched today everybody would complain about it. Open queue was awful and it made the game simply unplayable in the goats era.
@godbreakergenesis1292
@godbreakergenesis1292 Ай бұрын
What everyone doesn't realize is ow2 had an opportunity to do this (team power ups) it was first shown with brig n rein when they combined shields but the never acted on it they could've introduced that but marvel rivals did which gave it the leg over ow2 and the creativity that rivals has is something ow2 never took advantage of
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
Yeah the Rein & Brig sheild link. It was a cool thing that never happened. Not unusual for OW2
@jehehehedias5881
@jehehehedias5881 Ай бұрын
Let people play who they want. I support peer pressuring people to play specific roles
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
You adapt or lose its pretty simple
@Seoul_Soldier
@Seoul_Soldier Ай бұрын
@@OldHeadGaming Some people don't care about losing if they get to go 2/17 as their favorite Marvel hero. And nine times out of ten they will blame their team.
@okokokjee
@okokokjee Ай бұрын
I think the point isnt that role queue has to be only way to play the game. They could just give an option. It doesnt mean it has to be 2-2-2, as you said some heroes work like off tanks like wolverine and ironfist. There could be option for 1-1-1 and 3 flexible slots. This just would give nicer people option to go for dps for once in a while. In every game there is 1-3 guys who just insta pick dps and wont switch even if team would need something else.
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
I get it the frustration. Everyone thinks they are a big time damage dealer
@Seoul_Soldier
@Seoul_Soldier Ай бұрын
@@OldHeadGaming And most of them are free ultimate charge.
@DarthSoto78
@DarthSoto78 Ай бұрын
I think if they put in out of combat regeneration it would fix most issues people have.
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
Yeah Flats has been a big proponent of this & I can definitely see the value of it
@amarjo351
@amarjo351 Ай бұрын
That's a terrible idea, DSP/ tank should be punished for over reaching, and teams should be punished for having little support/ to many squishy DPS's, just learn how to play a different role and stop hogging DPS
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
@amarjo351 i would love to see more players be more willing to learn
@DarthSoto78
@DarthSoto78 Ай бұрын
@@amarjo351 Dude I mainly play support. Usually Luna, or Jeff. I’m usually the only support and it is like herding cats while being target number one.
@amarjo351
@amarjo351 Ай бұрын
@@DarthSoto78 if you're being targeted run, it's literally the game plan of Jeff. If your team isn't putting you as a priority reposition yourself and try again.
@Gtube3838
@Gtube3838 Ай бұрын
It boils down to skill. No lie i was saying the same thing at first. But after some practice and evaluating my matches ive learned how to play better.
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
Skill & willing to learn other characters
@Gtube3838
@Gtube3838 Ай бұрын
@@OldHeadGaming yes indeed. That's why I debated that folks should really take the time to learn how to play. And if quick play is becoming dull that means you are ready for comp.
@Gtube3838
@Gtube3838 Ай бұрын
@@OldHeadGaming oh and it's meaty by the way this is my official gaming channel. Seen you on the rivals algorithm lol
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
@Gtube3838 true. I play Duelist 1/30 games typically cause I play Vanguard or Strat. It's not hard to learn to play 1 of each class
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
@Gtube3838 noice we've be doing pretty well with views on Rivals
@sfp2290
@sfp2290 Ай бұрын
My opinion is this: When you remove a player slot from a team (going from 6 to 5), you remove a lot of possible team compositions. When you force a certain type of team composition (such as 1 tank, 2 healers, 2 DPS), you remove even more possible team compositions. And with every possible team composition removed, you also remove an opportunity to shake up the meta, by creating a team composition that others haven't thought of, which can counter the current meta.
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
I agree with that
@denisfreeszvianello814
@denisfreeszvianello814 Ай бұрын
there is a simple solution to everyone who insists that role queue is strictly better find other 5 people who agrees with you and play with them is not hard you and the orther 5 will be happy and nothing chages for everyone else
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
Hahahaha I like it
@zarroc4493
@zarroc4493 Ай бұрын
I quit playing overwatch… DO NOT TURN RIVALS INTO A GAME THAT I QUIT!!!
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
Ding ding
@ender5892
@ender5892 Ай бұрын
yeah man cuz a role queue would change the game completely at the point of it becoming something else. True man it's totally not an irrational fear you guys have because are traumatized by ow
@ultimachain8677
@ultimachain8677 Ай бұрын
To be honest, I need more hours in the game to have a concrete opinion, but here’s what I will say….my least fun and most frustrating matches were when I saw something like 4 healers + 2 dps. Or 4 tanks + 2 healers.
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
Usually its too many Duelist is the complaint but I'm fine with whatever group comp people do
@ultimachain8677
@ultimachain8677 Ай бұрын
@OldHeadGaming By the way I reached level 10 finally so now I can play comp with you guys! I tried comp earlier and it’s honestly really fun.
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
@@ultimachain8677 noice
@M1ghty888
@M1ghty888 Ай бұрын
What matches your playing in I wish I had those everytime I play comp for me it’s usually 5 or 6 dps when I get tired of only being the ONE to switch from dps to support and tank
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
@@M1ghty888 solo queue can definitely be rough
@TheBlackBossalini305
@TheBlackBossalini305 Ай бұрын
How many games have you won as 5 DPS in comp
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
Are you one of the dps?
@Seoul_Soldier
@Seoul_Soldier Ай бұрын
Probably zero. Horribly unbalanced teams only work in quick play.
@TheBlackBossalini305
@TheBlackBossalini305 Ай бұрын
@@OldHeadGaming 5 DPS is insinuating that I’m not.
@mattevans4377
@mattevans4377 Ай бұрын
Meanwhile, no one is talking about an in-game LFG system, allowing everyone to play how they want, and as a true team
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
That would just be role queue 🤣
@mattevans4377
@mattevans4377 Ай бұрын
@OldHeadGaming No. In OW1 they had one. You asked for players to join you as a group, and could set requirements for allowing them to join. There were no set rules, and you didn't have to join. Tools not rules
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
@mattevans4377 gotcha
@huntlaws007
@huntlaws007 Ай бұрын
I have returned to ask people to make this comment the most liked
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
I appreciate the engagement
@yokaidigital3033
@yokaidigital3033 Ай бұрын
The bizarre thing is the same people on their social page that says it’s better than Overwatch 2, Overwatch 2 sucks etc… are the same people that are screaming to make this game just like Overwatch by adding role queues. Me I like it the way it is. I play who I want when I want, I don’t care about wins and loses that’s for competitive. Quick play is for casual fun.
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
this should be the mentality
@M1ghty888
@M1ghty888 Ай бұрын
I simply just got a question for you. Is it really fun playing the only support for your team knowing that if you don’t play support, you don’t even stand a chance against the other team because y’all have no sustain.
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
I mean I usually play Vanguard or Strategist anyways so I don't have a problem with it
@M1ghty888
@M1ghty888 Ай бұрын
@@OldHeadGaming and the same goes for me I guess in a way but I’m more of a flex player. I like to play all three roles, but it just often sucks when I feel like I can only be locked in to playing one roll if we wanna have a chance of winning because everyone’s egos are too big and to be the other player that I always have to make the sacrifices of their enjoyment to help feel a specific need sucks sometimes. It gets better if you duo with other though!
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
@M1ghty888 solo is the roughest for sure
@SirDoodicus
@SirDoodicus Ай бұрын
Is it fun to wait in queue for 20 minutes because no one wants to play tank?
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
@SirDoodicus I know right
@doubleoart07
@doubleoart07 Ай бұрын
Ty for this video. Im gonna start playing duelist a bit more now no matter who talks crap. I always end up being a vanguard or strategist because theirs a lot of duelists. I just recently played duelist again and I was doing terrible because I forgot how Magik or Psylock worked lol. I haven’t used them for a few days
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
Ur welcome. I'm all for play who you want. If you lose a match it's a 6 person loss
@rodriguezjovanni
@rodriguezjovanni Ай бұрын
I understand what you’re saying for sure and I also understand the devs vision. However, the lack of role queue is tainting my experience in Rivals; it hasn’t been fun and majority of the time my team is filled with a bunch of brain dead gamers. Maybe role queue isn’t the direct answer we need but it’s very discouraging when the opposing team is acting as one while your team can’t even stand in a single room together for more than two seconds.
@rodriguezjovanni
@rodriguezjovanni Ай бұрын
Keep in mind I’ve never played overwatch
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
that may simply be more of a coordination problem vs what classes are in your group
@rodriguezjovanni
@rodriguezjovanni Ай бұрын
@ there are definite role problems like everyone picking duelist but it’s not that often
@Miguelsane
@Miguelsane Ай бұрын
@@OldHeadGaming coordination whit your mental? You said. I play what i want. That mental and what is needed is not the same. Learn about competitive games before make a video of them.....
@slowestchild8514
@slowestchild8514 Ай бұрын
I agree with alot and I don't want it in quick or competitive but if they made a mode where people could que for roles I don't see either side losing
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
I'd be fine with an arcade locked mode
@slowestchild8514
@slowestchild8514 Ай бұрын
Right clearly, there is an audience for it and More in this case is "Better" just leave the core vision intact
@laughter4380
@laughter4380 Ай бұрын
People think they want role queue until they're sitting in queue for 15 mins or more with no ability to switch roles to help out mid game
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
Exactly this ⏫️
@ender5892
@ender5892 Ай бұрын
They can literally just implement a function where you can ask someone to swap roles with you midgame.
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
@@ender5892 you can request team ups now
@sloth-d3752
@sloth-d3752 Ай бұрын
I think they should experiment with global regen. 6 dps high regen passive. 5 hlrs low (or none) regen passive. 2 hlrs medium regen passive. Because I don't want dps's to not play their favorite characters. I can think of many things that can be tried before going to role lock.
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
That could be interesting
@sloth-d3752
@sloth-d3752 Ай бұрын
@OldHeadGaming Thank you. I'm not very good at speaking of this, but I can certainly type it. Better that way, I feel.
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
@sloth-d3752 also as you can probably tell I'm a Sloth fanatic
@sloth-d3752
@sloth-d3752 Ай бұрын
Ye :)
@jaymoney-fy4wg
@jaymoney-fy4wg Ай бұрын
Oldhead with the big brain deep dive
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
Using all the noodle
@JohnDoe_Gaming
@JohnDoe_Gaming Ай бұрын
I'm personally the type of person that when I play a game with a large enough character roster I just like playing the characters I like, whether they're good, bad, op, or not even fitting my play style. So role queues would really bother me as someone who only is a big fan of a few of the characters in the game, and a couple of those characters I hate the costume designs for (mostly Spider-Man, even his MCU suit looks bulkier than it does in the movies) I don't have a PS5 so I can't play. Stuck on last gen. But I'd main Squirrel Girl because she's my favourite character in this game that has a comic accurate costume. Tho I'd at least switch to Iron Man (as long as I get his Superior costume, I don't like any of his other suits), Venom, and Jeff. Which I feel covers most of the major classes anyway. I'd also like to play the occasional game as Hulk because I find his rage form funny and I want to bully people with it. But like, and I KNOW this game is unpopular, when I play Cursed Clash, I main Sukuna. Pretty much constantly. And in game he's this beefy character with slow attack animations that hit everyone in your vicinity, including your teammate. I typically prefer medium paced characters, so running a slow character is weird to me. But I still main him because he's my favourite character in Jujutsu Kaisen, and I've mastered his timings. Squirrel Girl probably doesn't have gameplay I am used to but I'd still master her because I'm such a fan of her in the comics.
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
I have a full video on Squirrel Girl so you can definitely get a better look at her if you want
@goddosuppiddo
@goddosuppiddo Ай бұрын
Great video! I think people need to just accept that there are different styles of games. I actually became a way better DPS and healer player since I first started playing rivals!
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
I do too. I think its funny when people are like they should just switch off and are like 3-10
@splurgehunter-4866
@splurgehunter-4866 Ай бұрын
I must say I prefer no role Que over one it’s so much fun to have the freedom to switch to any character/role especially since the whole roster is fun,adding it would only limit players to the one role instead of the whole 33 characters
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
these echo my thoughts on it as well
@swagdaddie8484
@swagdaddie8484 Ай бұрын
Finally some sense in this debate. I'm of the opinion that OW was balanced with the mindset of comp players. Like they were talked to about how to balance the game. It got ruined. I'm not saying the blame is on the comp players but if comp players are the once inventing things like GOATs which destroyed the game. Why in the world should the MR community listen to them? I think those comp OW players made their bed. They can go lie in it.
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
I always try to look at things as logically as I can
@Riles_-bn4jr
@Riles_-bn4jr Ай бұрын
only dps stackers are complaining about this, maybe learn how to play other characters??
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
Facts
@caiuscosades362
@caiuscosades362 Ай бұрын
I’m a tank main complaining about this. Might as well play dps if you’re a tank with no healer, at least you’ll have more fun losing.
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
@@caiuscosades362 at least cap is good at running to health packs
@HeTaLiA152
@HeTaLiA152 Ай бұрын
​@@caiuscosades362 I've found Bruce banning and venom to be best in those situations as they have enough survivability to get in and out
@jameoww
@jameoww Ай бұрын
100% Rivals is made for you to play characters, not roles. Do I think they need to make some adjustments to make that work better? Sure, but role queue would just ruin everything the game is. I think they should consider/test a passive out of combat heal. I also think Vanguard ults should be buffed and they should add some Strategists that aren't healers. I think they really need to hammer home that Vanguard/Duelist/Strategist is NOT just a 1:1 Tank/Damage/Healer. There are overlaps but the philosophy is different, and I don't think it's as well communicated as it should be.
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
These ideas I find far more intriguing than role queue
@dcthereaper115
@dcthereaper115 Ай бұрын
U do know that ow didn't have role queue before right
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
I do
@redgrinner297
@redgrinner297 Ай бұрын
I mean, the guy said he's played the game since the beginning with proof of that so . . . I dunno, seems logical he would.
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
@@redgrinner297 hahaha baby Winton stamp applied
@Krunchtastic727
@Krunchtastic727 Ай бұрын
The answer is no role ques!!! However if they want they could add a no tanks mode and let all the dps'ers go their. Maybe it would be more fun who knows but if tons of people are playing dps then let them do it over there.
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
I can see that
@God-mc9ym
@God-mc9ym Ай бұрын
The reason why people want role queue is because no one ever plays support and only ever plays dps im a vanguard main but when i see no one picks a healer im not tanking for you if you wont heal me stop picking dps when everyone else also is playing dps
@Leftistmushroom
@Leftistmushroom Ай бұрын
Honestly the fact duelist are like half the choices doesn't help you only really run into a problem when the other team is a brickwall with like three healers
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
I play Strat a lot they are fun but if there is 6 dps that's a choice people are making
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
3 strats can be tough to out damage unless you got that Hawkeye 1 shot
@Seoul_Soldier
@Seoul_Soldier Ай бұрын
If 6 duelists face a 2-2-2 you will lose. You will also lose to a 1-3-2. Unbalanced teams only works in Quick Play, the minute you enter ranked you learn very quickly that QP shenanigans don't work anymore. Getting bursted down immediately with no-one to heal or shield you becomes a problem very very fast. At least once you're out of the dumb-brain metal ranks. Quick Play should remain open, but competitive needs to have limits. Not even asking for a role queue, just for a hard limit of 3 duelists max. If you're only playing this game because you "wanna be Spider-Man" then just play the Spider-Man games. If being a team player hampers your fun then maybe you shouldn't play a team-based game. Last thing is, you're skirting around the real reason DPS players don't want a role queue. Because you know your queues will be 20 minutes long since everyone wants to be Spider-Man and you don't want that to happen. It's not about creativity, or keeping the game "fun", you just don't want to have to wait to play your over-saturated role.
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
I love instaqueues because you just play
@Leftistmushroom
@Leftistmushroom Ай бұрын
It's honestly way too early for this conversation gotta give it at least a month
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
🤷‍♂️
@redgrinner297
@redgrinner297 Ай бұрын
it's never too early to address issues. sooner is better than later.
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
@@redgrinner297 I agree with that
@fettbub92
@fettbub92 Ай бұрын
The cowboy is and always has been, hitscan.
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
His gun is but his flashback isnt is I always forget that because he's like Soujorn & split.
@khele2k
@khele2k Ай бұрын
It's a silly debate. Only the Top 1% of players complain when the "meta" isn't perfect and they have hero bans. Team ups is a better alternative than being stuck in role queue. Lopsided games happen in Overwatch all the time it fixed nothing just made it boring, ultimately led to 5v5 and just appeased the loud minority of "hardcore" basement dwelling gamers and pros.
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
I was playing some ow2 6v6 & just felt awful last night
@KingDanieltheDandy
@KingDanieltheDandy Ай бұрын
Y'know I was looking forward to listening to a video like this but truly nothing of value was said. Clearly people aren't having fun playing the 6 dps comp into the actual functional one and saying to those people "just go back to Overwatch LOL" does nothing. Why critique anything in this game, it doesn't matter apparently.
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
Critiques are fine. I'm always up for good dialog but these are the reason I didn't feel it was the right move
@RafaelLinoDG
@RafaelLinoDG Ай бұрын
Bro, there is a tab inside game for tournaments.
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
That's correct I meant like Rivals league professional Esport. Like OW league
@RafaelLinoDG
@RafaelLinoDG Ай бұрын
@@OldHeadGaming kzbin.info/www/bejne/rYHYd2h3bbyBeKc
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
@@RafaelLinoDG no kidding
@drackestalentorgen166
@drackestalentorgen166 Ай бұрын
Games in Rivals take 10 t 15 seconds...games like overwatch take up to 15 minutes to find a match Being able to change characters on a fly and rolls os one of Rivals advantages...it would be dumb to coppy stupid trends that destroy games cause thats what "competitive" games do
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
pretty much my points my friend
@Riles_-bn4jr
@Riles_-bn4jr Ай бұрын
PREACH
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
I will 🗣
@williehawkinsii4845
@williehawkinsii4845 Ай бұрын
Cassidy is a hitscan DPS
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
He is on gun. For some reason my brain 🧠 goes flip flop on characters with both like Him/Sojourne etc
@ZarelidT
@ZarelidT Ай бұрын
You asking team shooter gamers to think is like asking congress to care about the people.
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
True true
@awhitney3063
@awhitney3063 Ай бұрын
Exactly; adding role queue/lock systems just removes the onus of consideration from all other players to think about swapping if it's needed. I understand that people want to have healers and tanks in all of their matches, but the people who are whining for that the hardest are the one tricks that literally refuse to swap off of their favorite hero no matter what. Why would we want to reward those people in the first place? The rest of us that understand how to be flexible and swap to what is necessary would like to keep our freedom and agency; I've won plenty of games with no tanks or supports on skill difference alone, it's not impossible by any means. If I'm clearly not getting value out of a hero I'd prefer to be able to swap; some games I'm the second healer and we clearly don't need a second healer because the other one is doing amazingly well and we clearly need more DPS, so I swap and suddenly we're winning. With role lock I'd just be stuck as a support even though I can tell we need more shields or more damage because we have a spiderman that's just off on his own and our venom isn't prioritizing point. I want the freedom to assess the team myself and swap to what it needs, it's part of the game!
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
This is exactly what I believe too
@Fang1st
@Fang1st Ай бұрын
Maybe if they made it a specific mode for the needy children to get it out of their systems? Lol
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
It still cuts into player count but it might be a possibility
@Fang1st
@Fang1st Ай бұрын
@OldHeadGaming yeah, and development time, but it's better than just putting it in full stop. Maybe a temporary event to show how bad it'd be for the game.
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
@Fang1st yeah I just played some OW2 & was waiting 5 minutes per match for some QP 🤦‍♂️
@ginocarrasco3432
@ginocarrasco3432 Ай бұрын
Nice vid bruv
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
Thanks
@dimasfaiz236
@dimasfaiz236 Ай бұрын
Dps user full of egoistic scuumbags, force other people to play support but not willing to switch roles
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
Make sure to call out the 3-10 punisher then 🤣
@The_Jragon
@The_Jragon Ай бұрын
I cannot emphasize enough. I HATE OVERWATCH! Like a burning rage since day 1. I played for a couple hours cause my brother wanted to play it. Strongly disliked it... Right now Marvel Rivals NEEDS something. I like the suggestion Flats made. HP Regen when out of combat. If they don't do that, then role que.
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
I can see the health regen but I don't think role queue is necessary
@The_Jragon
@The_Jragon Ай бұрын
@OldHeadGaming I want the Regen above everything else
@nrdscott
@nrdscott Ай бұрын
Your first reason is an ignorant dismissal. Lazy content. You said pro players don't adapt when it's their adaptations that caused role queue in the first place. Ignorant nonsense. LOL you told people not to give the devs feedback. What a clown
@nrdscott
@nrdscott Ай бұрын
Almost no one said anything about 2-2-2 either. They just want some kind of structure down the line because 5 DPS is not fun for people that aren't selfish DPS one-tricks. You're so dismissive I can't imagine how anyone listens to your content. More than half of what you say is verifiably false. "Marvel Rivals esports will never be a thing" orgs are already announcing rosters and tournaments (sponsored by the game) have already been happening.
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
You're clearly responding to points I never made & are answering your own statements. But great feedback buddy
@nrdscott
@nrdscott Ай бұрын
@@OldHeadGaming you made all of those points. Would you like me to quote you? Passive aggressive, dismissive clown
@kieronspiteri
@kieronspiteri Ай бұрын
Simple marvel rivals dosent need a role queue its common sense it dosent need it overwatch may need it but this game is built different so no point for role queues
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
Overwatch needs it cause they built it into the game & every expects it but yeah Rivals wasn't built that way
@kieronspiteri
@kieronspiteri Ай бұрын
@OldHeadGaming exactly even tho most people are fed up with the role queues
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
@kieronspiteri I don't think anyone is fed up with it on Overwatch it's just the way it is and if you wanna play whatever you Flex
@kieronspiteri
@kieronspiteri Ай бұрын
@@OldHeadGaming I mean true
@kieronspiteri
@kieronspiteri Ай бұрын
@OldHeadGaming they better fix competitive in marvel rivals cuz when I joined a a competitive match someone left and it screwed up the whole match for everyone it's annoying as hell
@killerisdead3775
@killerisdead3775 Ай бұрын
Learn to swap or suffer your loss. im not waiting 30 min plus for a game due to human pride be better stop asking others to solve your problems.
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
We don't have any healers says the 3-15 Punisher
@94DEATHSOUL94
@94DEATHSOUL94 Ай бұрын
Only one tricks want role queue because they refuse to swap themselves
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
Of course
@NobleNomad
@NobleNomad Ай бұрын
The role queue Stans are looking like Blizzard internship. Role Queue sure as hell did not fix or improve Overwatch,
@OldHeadGaming
@OldHeadGaming Ай бұрын
I wish I could put in the Ryan Reynolds "absolutely not" gif here 😔
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