The Sabbatean Episode (The Ashkenazium Lectures, Pt. VI)

[@maxrobespierre884]

As a gentile and casual student of history I had no idea how interested I was in the particulars of Jewish history until I began watching your fascinating and engaging lectures. Bravo professor!

[@szeevster5767]

I frequently watch and enjoy your videos. What a surprise to see you here. Best!

[@jori7398]

Dr. Abramson, please disregard that I can’t finish this lecture tonight. I’m just a few minutes in and _fascinated,_ yet it will be better tomorrow with some nice coffee in hand when my mind is fresh. Thank you and God bless.

[@brochrock007]

I like the way you don't skirt around difficult topics.

[@bill9989]

What? He calls the Khazar origin theory "tin foil hat" and "conspiracy theories."" That's not seriously addressing "difficult topics." Here's what he should say: "The theory that European Jews are decended from a mass conversion of Khazars is disputed by many scholars. I personally don't believe it. However, it hasn't been completely ruled out and there may be some truth to it. Many Jews are uncomfortable with the possibility because, if true, they feel it undermines their literal genetic connection to the ancient Israelites and thereby impacts the question "What is a Jew?" Other Jews aren't concerned because they feel that a Jew is something that transcends physical identity."

[@A.--.]

Thank you Sir for sharing your knowledge.

[@amyhelwig]

Happy Holidays, Professor Abramson! I wish you and your loved ones continued Blessings. I continue to follow you as a “mixed person”, and I’m grateful for the education you provide here. You’re an excellent educator and are greatly appreciated by those who seek true knowledge.

[@lornes3464]

My Favorite study topic the Donmeh and the Sabbatean movement. Turkish politics indeed in the last century as you mention effected. The interesting question is after half of European Jews converted, what is the current following in these days. Many Royal families are rumoured to be with the sect.

[@thedingbatdingers4326]

It's rumored that Jacob Frank played an integral role in the upbringing of the Rothschilds family.

[@rockynanach]

Listening to this here in Zfat . Blessings to all. Thank you for a great series.

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

Glad you find the series useful!

[@ZEITGEISTHEAVEN]

Thank you sir, excellent presentation

[@KingSiik]

This was a very clean take on a disgusting piece of religious history. The way you managed to make this episode seem disconnected from the present day was masterful.

[@David-de8rt]

Yep Israel is filled with Sabbatean Frankists and it explains quite a bit about their behavior and actions

[@John_Kennedy_311]

Aren't these people the Satanists whorule the world and hide by calling themselves Jewish?

[@klopchi6772]

@@David-de8rt How do you not know Esau, who by usury, extortion and bloodshed lies claim to the inheritance and promised name of Jacob?! Jacob Is Blessed with unblemished Cattle!

[@sriddle3569]

Very timely and elightning having read recently the controversial The Books of Jacob

[@klopchi6772]

Jacob is blessed with unblemished cattle. And Esau who by usury, extortion and bloodshed lie claim to the inheritance and promised name of Jacob!

[@amyhelwig]

I totally appreciate and enjoy your sense of humor as well! The “Princess Amadala” reference had me laughing!

[@michelgordon74]

This is a fascinating subject. I recently read the book "The Mixed Multitudes" by Pawel Maciejko, that explores the Frankist movement and the role of Jacob Emden also in this case.

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

Glad you found the video useful!

[@michelgordon74]

@@HenryAbramsonPhD Absolutely! Indeed, I am, from my father side, 50% litvak and 50% hasid (Sanz). These videos, together with the books I am reading, is helping to understand more and more my origins. I also would love to send you a book I published a few years ago, as a souvenir and out of gratitude.

[@azmathahmed2476]

Was bank system started by crusaders and sabbathians together

[@AIXITstageleft]

Mentally ill? This guy sure left out a TON of Zevis practices and ideologies. He was not mental, he was demonic. I feel like this presentation surely glossed over this subject

[@rettro6578]

Why not both?

[@TheMightyWalk]

Same thing i said . But it’s typical

[@zaiten2012]

Demonic how? Where do you get that idea from?

[@CowboyConan]

@@zaiten2012 Do your own research, cuz this Rabbi won’t tell you the whole truth.

[@zaiten2012]

@@CowboyConanhow about you share information instead of that BS reply

[@Slimc74]

Thank you for your hard work. This is a problem that needs to ne addressed on what it is. To understand why this movement gained popularity makes sense, especially after inquisition. It was hidden and created problems, specifically with the French revolution. The problem is coming to ahead now and our brothers and sisters of God must be brave and believe that good Americans will understand so we can get past the antisemitic insanity

[@rettro6578]

I agree it should be more widely known, however Zionist crimes of war criminal Netanyahu and Ben Gvir, Smotrich create more anti-semitism through their conflation OF ALL JEWS with the Zionist state and their war crimes. You omit this either through ignorance or intention.

[@SaraMastros]

I think the best translation of "antinomian" into modern English is "counter-cultural".

[@NarnianLady]

nope... un-lawful or, anti-law is the real meaning. (the concept is known in Christian theology as well.)

[@SaraMastros]

@@NarnianLady That is, indeed, how the word is used in Christian contexts, but that is not generally what it means in non-christian contexts. Νομος (nomos) means "law", but only by extension from its core meaning of "habitual practice", "social norm" or "cultural custom". To the best of my knowledge, the word αντινομία (antinomia) is first used in Euclidean logic meaning "contradiction", particularly in the context of what we now call "proof by contradiction". Over time, it began to be used to mean any belief or philosophy in direct contradiction to normative cultural beliefs, ie "counter-cultural". It's use in Christian theology stems from this use, but is not the only usage of the word.

[@HDPersonal777]

“Bolsheviks” and liberals? Marxists? Running both sides to control the masses with divide and conquer?

[@mhm92267]

We can learn from here the dangers of Blind Faith. People that are easily influenced will fall pray to concepts that are questionable at best and more likely are considered Kafira. We, unfortunately, see such trief beliefs espoused by some people even today. We can also learn from this that scholarship is not enough to declare one as Mashiach. The are other factors necessary to consider and most people don't.

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

Thanks for your observations

[@lsmart]

At 6:25 you incorrectly state that Rav Shlomo Alkabetz was the father-in-law of the Ramak. He was his brother-in-law. Also, his teacher in halacha and Talmud was Rav Yosef Karo. It was after the Ramak married Rav Shlomo's sister that he began learning Kabalah from him.

[@zafirjoe18]

The Donmeh skirted the nazi’s and avoided deportation by disassociation from Jewish heritage. Similar as the Nazarenes did at the time of the great Shmad in the time of Hadrian.

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

Complex history.

[@belteshazzarbenyakovleib4009]

@@HenryAbramsonPhDJacob Frank warned his followers in his dicta about a great slaughter to the Jews in Europe that was coming , he also told his followers that they were no longer chosen people , and were instructed to put on the clothing of Edom , the Christian religion , so some say this was a prophecy that did come true 😊

[@belteshazzarbenyakovleib4009]

@@HenryAbramsonPhDothers say the last of the sabbatian’s were lost in the holocaust

[@David-de8rt]

​@@belteshazzarbenyakovleib4009Israel is occupied by only Sabbatean Frankists......currently it's obvious

[@johannwolf1]

Some went underground and created a secret society that survives until this day.

[@engjds]

How do you know they survived if they are secret?

[@justaroot4315]

​@@engjdsThe truth is hidden in plain sight. Frankie's redemption through sin.

[@rettro6578]

@@engjdsJeffrey Epstein certainly embodies certain Frankish ideals.

[@Callousedhands.]

The real question is WHO IS REALLY SHEMITIC. Im tired of the term antisemitic just as much as the term conspiracy theory. They are constructs with the design to ignore the facts. If it has and can be proven that you are not from the line of Abraham then you are not shemitic nor can you claim to be so called chosen.

[@federicomartinez12]

Thank you so much for your knowledge your lessons mean so much to humanety so in Laddin should Say : En El Nombre del Sefarad Mersi Muncho

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

Glad you enjoyed the lectures!

[@Ubu987]

He married a 'Torah Scroll?' For a second I thought you said 'chorus girl.'

[@zafirjoe18]

The Frankisten used the saying of Chazal ״ אין בן דוד בא אלא בדור שכולו חייב או בדור שכולי זכאי״ If Zakai didn’t work let’s try כולו חייב. The Frankisten were known to have done terrible things on Yom Kippur, הוא ובנו בעלה מערה המאורסה ביום הכיפור. The Dönmeh had a special room where special orgies occurred in the dark to bring the soul of Moshiach which must come from a forbidden union.

[@HenryAbramsonPhD]

Very interesting

[@zafirjoe18]

@@HenryAbramsonPhD when the Frankisten forced a debate on the Jews after being ostracised completely .At the heels of this cherem was the venerated Rav of Lemberg ( Lviv) R’ Chaim Hakohen Rappaport. Who called for uprooting this movement. The debate was to prove that the Jews do actually need blood for their matzohs . Also against the Talmud as for them the bible and the Zohar were the only books Needed. As they entered one of the main guys to this sect of Frankisten said to the Rav ; חיים חיים דאס איז דאך דם תחת דם .

[@zafirjoe18]

I know that The Doctor is keen to attributing the roots of the enlightenment to R’ Azaria min Hadomim the B’aal Meiros Enayim or to Spinoza R’ Aryeh Di Medena , and other Crypto Jews that tried to integrate back into Jewish life . Which formed the first scientific analysis of the Bible or the מבקרי התורה . Some even argue that the Ibn Ezra was the first ח״ו and the Bible critics found in his open and original approach to interpreting the Torah. Or Gersonides. I agree that in the intellectual level that is very true especially among the Galicianer Haskalah. In pamphlets from Zuns Shi”r and the like the creation of Wissenschaft des Judentums . But the assimilation aspect had its firs roots with the Frankist movement, as the group of some 50000 people the lowest and most ignorant of our people felt disenfranchised from the Elitist learned Jews . They just wanted out . With the constant fighting and endless cherems following the the Get me’Cleve and the terrible machlokes on R’ Yonasson Eineshutz even more felt to rebel against the old Kehilla elitist system, as they lost confidence in the old time structure.,were if you were learned or wealthy you were deemed righteous and if not you were a nobody. In places like Germany for many the answers was to assimilate with the local culture. In the east it was the chassidim that broke away from this old root and sought meaning outside the kehilla structure . So in my opinion it was the Frankists that where the first serious break from the old order. Although they did it radically and eventually baptised and were responsible for the burning of the Talmud. If not for Chassidim there would be no Ashkenazi Judaism alive today . They too were put in cherem but they bought the souls of the common folk . And revived and put a new spark into Judaism. Even the Litvaks needed a mussar movement to salvage the little bit that was possible.

[@proudpharisee5303]

@@zafirjoe18 a bit biased towards chassidim….

[@zafirjoe18]

@@proudpharisee5303 maybe. Check out Rabbi David Katz’s lecture on the Maharatz Chayes.

[@cauwenberghsroeland8607]

Printing was invented in China...Bi Sheng , 1000 years ago. A little complicated , seen the number of Hanzi ...

[@halevimoontribe]

todah

[@HDPersonal777]

BRING BACK HEALTHY TARTARIAN NATIVE AMERICAN BREEDING PRACTICES! PLEASE!!!

[@RobinHerzig]

So the Donmeh probably have Ashkenazic DNA (I'm guessing)

[@jdaze1]

Everyone has Jewish DNA. We all came from Adam.

[@gaddahan6475]

@@jdaze1 Judaism began at Mt. Sinai during the days of Moses. That was way after Adam and Eve.

[@marcusposter7756]

@@jdaze1 Adam and Eve is literally Adam and Eve in Hebrew. It was never character names….. Adam and Eve in Hebrew means “human” and “life” it was literally just a story of the creation of man and life

[@FizzVizard]

Why would they? I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure Shepardic Jews became followers of Sabbatai too.

[@AIXITstageleft]

​@@jdaze1ugh

[@mitchftd]

Did me have more Jewish followers than Jesus?

[@absolute757]

More powerful ones apparently

[@keithlawlor9993]

Interesting on how the Jewish mind thinks of God. We understand that God is a Man. Moses talked with God face to face. He is an all knowing, All powerful and eternal.

[@proudpharisee5303]

I think it an epistemological fault to trust the Jews that Moses exists but to disagree with them on whether Moses spoke to God where the god was a man

[@FizzVizard]

God in it's ultimate form is obviously not a man, even Christians know this

[@belteshazzarbenyakovleib4009]

The massacre in the Ukraine had a strong Influence upon Zevi