The Sad State of the Medieval Slasher Genre

[@CMacK1294]

Excuse you, Overwatch did not create a new genre. It just took TF2's genre and repackaged it with Blizzard presentation.

[@Garbearishere]

Absolutely

[@dawsonmaclean2038]

It’s absolutely hilarious that Overwatch came and went, now we’re on Overwatch 2 which is currently floundering …… and TF2 is still kicking, still super consistent and even growing player numbers hahahahaha!

[@sharkpetro2288]

I'm here to just make this comment and it's replies stay on top by liking and replying.

[@nbshftr]

5 iq comparison. overwatch is so different from tf2 it might aswell be a new type of game, which it is.

[@Auloss]

no one cares about tf2 but it's players

[@Matthew_A_N]

Yeah I wouldn't say melee combat is simpler to implement than fps at all. It depends a bit from game to game but generally it's the reverse

[@ARTEMISXIX]

Yeah that's an insane take. Half the things he listed about shooters that make them complicated to program (according to him) are nothing-burgers that could potentially take a few minutes to a few hours each. I've programmed pretty satisfying shooter mechanics in a day before but I imagine it'd take thousands of man-hours of tweaking and testing to make the game-feel of a medieval slasher feel anywhere near as good.

[@amirtaj4323]

@@ARTEMISXIX I think he meant most FPS games people expect a certain level of complex quality but the majority of people don't expect that same level of complexity in most melee combat games, just being satisfied with light and heavy attacks.

[@Fartosaurus]

Nah wtf, all FPS systems are just cookie cutter shit, you don't need to innovate with it. Hop into unreal engine default screen, pick up the gun and it's literally got one built in. Press n shoot projectiles.😂 Wow

[@Stouty]

5:58 we made it

[@DaniilHomyak]

This video is extremely underrated! Dude just made a whole ass case study on a video game genre & nobody saw it! Unfair

[@N.E.TGaming]

Mordhau is one of my favorite games of all time. One of those games when I don't know what else to play I go straight to

[@Geeler]

Seeing Kingdom Come Deliverance all over this video...very good

[@realemptystudio]

Making melee combat being easier is an insane hot take lol. Animation matching, transitions, ray tracing or spawning proper collision boxes at exact point in the animation etc. I'd argue doing fps is way easier since there is way more established pipelines and at the end of the day, its either spawning projectiles or raytracing to a specific point.

[@SS-gy1cx]

Dude… your content is amazing. You deserve all the subs

[@fulgrimventris8506]

Mordhau, with all of it's issues, remains one of the best experiences in the genre

[@ShadeScarecrow]

Ballerina knights are fixed in mordhau? When? Wasn´t the case when I stopped playing. In fact, it was the main reason I stopped in the first place

[@WarthunderClipsAndShorts]

Somebody hasn't played chiv II

[@ninokaah1591]

Just found you and with this quality video I thought you would have more subs. Love melee slashers. Good work 👍

[@voxkoshka]

I have no idea where you came from or when I subbed. I'm a HEMA guy so I appreciate that you exist. I've been...frustrated with the state of things in these games.

[@almond5284]

Look up Exanima. I've seen multiple people exclaim enthusiastically how they can implement HEMA into their combat style once they get a handle on the movement. And if you really want to see some good demos of skill, GilGamesHello is a tiny lil channel with exceptional videos of Exanima insanity.

[@capolean2902]

im dating a girl who does hama, ive been too like 2 of her tournaments.

[@staffofthecrystalserpant7751]

Chivalry 2 needs to add battle royale. It think thats what it is

[@achiii3s682]

Crossplatform is fixed for Chiv finally! It's been pretty enjoyable lately!

[@FatGuyWithAKatana]

I am proud to say that I have improved greatly at not killing teammates when on Agatha. Sometimes in the heat of the moment you just see red and swing your sword at it but I've gotten better at redirecting it into the ground or the ceiling or a wall or just away from them when I notice the blue under the blood

[@TreacGags]

Keep it up brother, for the glory of Agatha!

[@UlissesSampaio]

0:26 i think is actually the oppostite: making good melee is harder. Though indeed making AAA quality FPS is no joke.

[@gronkiusmaximus]

Thank you for the video, I quit Mordhau before eastern invasion part 2 and this was really nostalgic, very bittersweet. I tried Chiv 2 but the meme stuff/community and customization wasn't the same not to mention the combat didn't feel as smooth and nice to play as Mordhau's (tho at least there's less scuffed stuff that makes "fights look more like fights", and throwing things is cool) so it couldn't keep my interest. I'm not going back to Mordhau so I hope those upcoming games succeed but I really don't have much hope for their quality or popularity if they don't match Mordhau's budget

[@spaceli0n]

i bought chiv 2 after seeing mordhau with almst no players. Love it so much. many many ppl playing and good simple fun

[@Fartosaurus]

​@@spaceli0nchiv 2 is just easier to play as a new player. Other than that, combat in mordhau is just superior

[@TheSteadyeddieShow]

just binge watched a bunch of your videos, they're so good and also we have the exact same taste in video games

[@KelebMoonDancer]

First person hack and slashes like this will never, ever have a big audience. Period. They have a very high skill ceiling wich just ends with noobs being stomped and quitting. The game also actively punishes strategies noobs gravitate towards. It was near imposible for me to get any friends to play this game, wich honestly ended with me leaving to play other things with them.

[@sethleoric2598]

Havent finished watching but IMO the hardest part of Medieval slasher games really is balancing the combat, mainly because Medieval combat doesn't work like movies or stereotypes, knights could sprint in full plate armor and were actually pretty fast and padded jackets actually defend against Longbows, and Archers aren't mass produced and bad melee fighters. I believe two incidents from the hundred years war explains it best, one where 60 Men At Arms fought each other and a battle where the english commander tried to fight archers. During the 60 man battle, some of the knights brought horses, polearms, etc. And only about 11 people died, apparentally from getting ganged on, so basically you could have 64 player battles and only 5 guys would have any kills. Another one was some battle where a French archer killed the English commander... with an Axe. Ironically i feel like Mount And Blade shares all these traits for like entirely different reasons lmao.

[@dziarskihenk8798]

good video man. I'd only add one thing to the mordhau topic - the biggest issue of the game, the reason I left it after ~300h is that their main point was to fix ballerina moves. And, you guessed it, it was not fixed. It was even worse in some cases than chiv1! Now, while chiv2 still has some issues with this, it's much better here

[@Fartosaurus]

What the hell is wrong with ballerina moves anyway? Why do people want fixed ways of beating an opponent with little room for skill expression?

[@ridespirals]

6k subs? damn man, you got one more, great videos.

[@JohnTheBaptist87]

Shoutout the algorithm for bringing your channel into my world... Great videos n takes, looking forward to more 👌

[@sleepyjoe333]

Yooo there is Терентий's (taerss, 9:17) footage in the video

[@UlissesSampaio]

Btw: Mount & Blade?

[@zhee9768]

hopefully one day a melee slasher will make it to be mainstream before im old, crusty and dead like a dinosaur

[@Theredsunrising]

RIP TB, you king

[@doommaker4000]

Do Berserker from Killing Floor and Vermintide count?

[@truemisto]

melee online games are tough cause your guy will never have the reflexes youd think he ought to due to the inevitable latency and input awkwardness

[@beaver631]

TONESVILLE HAS COME TO SEE US

[@Auloss]

>no mention to war of roses/war of the vikings

[@miguelangelus959]

I know For Honor is a completely different beast, but it is still direction based medieval combat game. Players I know seem to compare it much more with Soulsbornes, maybe because it is 3rd person, but I think there are enough similarities to include it in the Chivalry Mordhau niche

[@Tacticaviator7]

I think it's the match type itself that separates it from these, max 4v4 compared to the chaos lobbies Mordhau/Chiv gets, it's just a lot calmer I guess ? Just imagine getting ganked by 10 dudes in For Honor, just fighting against 4 coordinated players with annoying characters is enough to give you all kinds of mental disorders so I don't even wanna imagine more. Still love For Honor though.

[@herrdrizzt9547]

Nah, dude is just extremely ignorant. Making a video dedicated to Chiv and Mordhau and calling it genre

[@Fartosaurus]

For honor just feels very separate from games like chivalry and mordhau sorry. The whole visible direction markers on the HUD and combat lock etc.

[@potatoman5953]

What is the game from 1:21 to 1:26?

[@BrAkki]

The most reasonable way to fix the bloody team killing must be for the red team to have blue blood. Problem solved!

[@quanscorp]

Keep doing videos, man. You deserve a lot more views

[@ath0lbr0se]

i feel like mortal sin could wedge its way into the medieval slasher niche :) really really fun game. not a multiplayer at all but could scratch an itch

[@Minnan1]

What's the game with that blue haired character you showed?

[@Tonesville]

Outward! Planning on doing a mini review of it sometime in the future.

[@StorieswithBilly]

This video has convinced me that my decision to stick with bannerlord multiplayer was the right call, thanks buddy!

[@KnightofBlack14]

@tonesville Just watched this video, seems like a great recap of a genre I didn't even realize existed. I have recently been trying to start GameDev, and was looking to make something with a basic variant of this type of combat, I wanted to see if you would be willing to DM a bit about the combat mechanics and what kinds of things I should try to achieve to accomplish good feeling combat in a similar vein. No promise the game goes somewhere, but been trying to gather information conceptually right now and you seem like someone that would have great opinions to explore. If not, I still appreciate you.

[@oblivion117]

Fantastic video! How do you feel about the newly announced patch for chivs 2?

[@EkoFranko]

You forgot war of the roses and war of the vikings from paradox interactive

[@amirtaj4323]

Pretty good video, feel like you kinda glossed over some things, most important being most of the hardcore players disliking Chiv2 from the start because of the combat.

[@RuIer-]

awesome tattoos dude!

[@sadclownsad9396]

I miss war of the roses

[@candemirdogen5214]

If you wanna play good medieval type games here is my list Mordhau Chivalry Kingdom Come Deliverance Mount and Blade Skyrim I know that skyrim, Mount and Blade and Kingdom Come are singleplayer games but they have to many pros to neglect. All of them are more relaxing and actually focus on story instead of mainly a fun combat system. Skyrim can also be formed into whatever you want so thats a plus. Mount and Blade also has strategic elements and Kingdom Come Deliverance just is immersive as fuck.

[@pankraq]

Very nice video. Keep up.

[@iitzgh0st757]

Where does the circle go? That's right, the square hole! BTW I'm suing you for using Oblivion OST.

[@mr.heccinkek8322]

this looks fun im downloading mordhau again

[@daviiidavo5100]

Mordhau have modders to make a new game for them

[@frankb5728]

damn, I'm here too early, 360p squad.

[@AlisonsteWWart]

boys are here.

[@Iamconnorlee]

Any game that starts off or becomes an Epic Games Store exclusive is a huge red flag. Actually even any games that aren’t exclusive sometimes go to shit (Rocket League trading)

[@marioseabra6937]

Hey, I know I'm late, but just wanna say this is a great video. Here's hoping Triternion makes Mordhau II one day, with better map/gamemode design and more regular updates.

[@adcaptandumvulgus4252]

Rune Gold an og slasher like unreal tournament but melee only

[@neveridle]

game dev here. fps are easier than 3d medieval combat.

[@mr_jingm6636]

Excited to see what these boys will make next

[@sayftysayfty4228]

I remember playing Pirates Vikings and Knights a lot. I think it´s the first "Medivial Slasher"? Anyway, great Video.

[@capolean2902]

i like chivalry 2, playing that while i wait for the new battlefield.

[@reggie_au]

great vid

[@OversizedPringleToe]

Exanima!

[@highlandrab19]

People crying about mordhau because the chat wasnt being censored is ridiculous 🤷🏻‍♂️ and letting the people censor stuff themself is the best way OW ruined itself by destroying the chat and the inability to speak destroyed the community

[@Noah18121]

Damn you really sold me on mordhau with the chat moderation setting

[@brothertyler]

"racism is bad" lmao

[@sparklingwater925]

As a black fan of medieval games let me tell you they usually end up racist at some point.

[@Ayden-vi1io]

Chivalry 2 is good

[@red_ness_671]

For honor is 🔥

[@itswindle1580]

For honor is awesome. It’s the people that play it that make me want to die when i play it.

[@danielcalabrese5769]

Just a bit of advice when it comes to maturity considering you spoke about it in this video and your maturity is also a reflection of your channel, while I only found your videos recently I enjoyed the first one I saw and subscribed and since then I have seen you fart on the mic and force random dick jokes that instantly made second guess my choice to subscribe. I guess you can't change who you are but maybe if you are looking for you channel to grow and for people to take what you say seriously enough to listen to you it might be a good idea to have less teen humour and more mature humour in its place? Or no humour at all? I don't know the solution I only know how immature humour makes me see you and therefore your channel and I think many others might feel that way as well? Because I like the topics you cover I will continue to watch more of your videos and do my best to try and ignore the more childish stuff which there isn't a whole heap of it but I'm just worried that it is going to get worse not better. Anyway I hope you are not offended because I'm not trying to do that

[@john-kn2re]

old man go watch MASH reruns

[@michael3k80]

Idea that melee combat is easier then shooter to program is absolutely retar...hmm wrong. True Mordhau fight is super fun and probably better even then Ch2. Ch2 have much better levels and staff to do on them ...take you pick then.. ah and ch2 have paid customisations ...

[@UberChargedTrollFace]

i love mordhau lol

[@stormdisc]

great video essay :)

[@BlueCastle752]

mount and blade is far better than all others

[@sol6030]

The racism segment was way too long, no one gives a shit about video game journalists anymore And I couldn't give a damn about chat toxicity, just mute the toxic guys that's it, You over emphasize that kind of thing when the over-competitiveness killed the PvP just as any other PvP centric game rly Also Vermintide 1 & 2, Dark and Darker might deserve mention as they still played a lot today

[@mercster]

Have a sub.

[@josedorsaith5261]

Disagree that chat moderation is needed. Devs are better served putting their time and effort into fixing bugs & implementing new features If you're getting hurt by mean words in a game about caving your fellow man's head in with a frying pan, I don't know what to tell you

[@_vxd_]

You’re missing the point though. The lack of chat moderation is why Mordhau garnered that reputation and is why new players are repulsed by the game. It’s self sabotage.

[@spaceli0n]

@@_vxd_ not at all

[@john-kn2re]

people are totally bitch made today, it's not the developers' fault.

[@alexfilisanu5462]

this genre has to be the worst medieval gaming genre. its only for sweats and tryhards, worse than any other

[@seth3491]

Chivalry 2 is a step in the right direction, for the most part. Imagine chivalry 2 but without battle pass and mordhau tier customization and mod support

[@Dev_242]

played mordhaur again yesterday, chat was full of crybabies talking about how trans people should not exist and it being a mental disorder. Glad to see the community never changes, game is still fun tho.

[@TheSharpmarksman]

Whoa, i never realized the Mordhau community was THIS FUCKING BASED

[@Puca_Patchworks]

Racism good

[@theschnoz3385]

if you cant be racist in a game, the game isn't good

[@YouKnowDingo]

this video kinda sucks. you put so much emphasis on mordhaus community and chiv2s monetisation and neglected the whole.. gameplay part. mordhau died because of the combat and lack of content, not because some people said the nword.

[@lilidane8975]

just try not to talk about racism with such a lack of knowledge, and you're good

[@timuravar8229]

boohoo racism in my online video game!!! My wifes black boyfriend will now take away my youtube account and prevent me from posting:(!!!

[@gallowglass3764]

How old are you

[@Impact36027]

chiv 2 is fun