Fun fact, the genus Salmo (Atlantic Salmon and Trout) is more closely related to the chars and huchen and is grouped with them under the tribe Salmonini whereas the genus Oncorhynchus (Pacific Salmon and Trout) is more closely related to the taimens and lenoks and is grouped with them under the tribe Oncorhynchini.
@Runch783 күн бұрын
fascinating! though I had always wondered the phylogeny of the Salmo/Oncorhynchids, I had never looked into it.
@Exquailibur3 күн бұрын
Phylogeny strikes again! its kinda like how pronghorn antelope are actually closer related to giraffes then to other antelope thus proving common names unreliable though salmon are not quite as stark of a difference as Artiodactyls which have some quite frankly hilariously unexpected phylogeny in many cases.
@paolocoda66452 күн бұрын
Isn’t the taimen (hucho taimen) in the same genus as the huchen (hucho hucho)?
@indyreno29332 күн бұрын
@@paolocoda6645, actually, the huchen is the only species in the Hucho genus, the mongolian taimen now belongs to the genus Mesohucho alongside the sichuan and korean taimens, the genus is more closely related to the japanese taimen (Parahucho perryi), alternatively the sichuan and korean taimens may belong to Parahucho instead while the mongolian taimen would be the only species in Mesohucho, thus indicating that both Mesohucho and Parahucho belong to the tribe Oncorhynchini alongside the genera Oncorhynchus (Pacific Salmon and Trout) and Brachymystax (Lenoks) whereas the huchen (Hucho hucho) belongs to the tribe Salmonini alongside the genera Salmo (Atlantic Salmon and Trout) and Salvelinus (Chars), recent studies have also rendered Salvelinus polyphyletic as all of the asian and western american species are now believed to be more closely related to taimens, lenoks, and pacific salmon and trout than they are to european and eastern american species hence the division of the Salmoninae subfamily into two tribes based on geographic distribution: Salmonini for only the European and Eastern American salmonines and Oncorhynchini for all of the Asian and Western American salmonines.
@Exquailibur2 күн бұрын
@@paolocoda6645 huchen look just like taimen, not just similar but they have the same subtle features. I would bet they hybridize super easily.
@johnogden66682 күн бұрын
In my home state (WA), pinks mostly come on odd numbered years, though there are a couple rivers with even year runs too. Love this series
@greatnorthernadventures5702 күн бұрын
I was born in Port Angeles and that’s how I remembered them. Moved to Kenai, AK and they’re the opposite year here, with a few rivers having two separate runs so they get them every year
@homernoy3 күн бұрын
The thing is, Pinks taste great fresh, they just don't freeze or ship well. Fresh Pinks or smoked Pinks are fantastic.
@NorthweSteelheadJunkies3 күн бұрын
Pinks are like french fries they taste on warm and fresh and not so much as leftovers
@greatnorthernadventures5702 күн бұрын
A dime bright pink in the salt is fine. The problem is the second they detect even a hint of freshwater they start to turn into spawners and quality drops quick.
@GreenEyedRogueКүн бұрын
@@greatnorthernadventures570 Yup
@NorthweSteelheadJunkiesКүн бұрын
@@greatnorthernadventures570 pink fresh is very soft n it's NOT the same as coho or chinook, not effective close.
@greatnorthernadventures570Күн бұрын
@@NorthweSteelheadJunkies I never said it looked the same? I just said a saltwater caught pink can still taste fine.
@chase87713 күн бұрын
Great series! Thanks for making these!
@WildaboutUT3 күн бұрын
Thank you so much! I'm glad that you are enjoying it!
@jonlobello71513 күн бұрын
Nice comment on the phylogeny of salmon below, Indyreno. I did my masters on the molecular phylogeny of sturgeon but I work with coho salmon for the WDFW. But, I live in the U.P. not far from Lake Superior.
@fossil70093 күн бұрын
You should do videos on regional/extinct/mysterious species of fish like Atlas Pros recent video on the silver trout. Upper michigan has a unique lake trout variation in rush lake in the huron mountains, and theres inland cisco hiding in some of the lakes deep out in the woods here. Who knows what else is hiding.
@PavelDatsyuk-ui4qv3 күн бұрын
There's caribou just a mile er so so outside of the border on a tiny island just off of the coast by the two heart. Makes me wanna go look at all those pothole lakes haha
@Heavilymoderated2 күн бұрын
Got a job where I travel a lot recently, and saw my first chinook in a creek in Roseville, CA. Just happened to go check out the woods behind the hotel and saw a couple of them that seemed to be chasing each other around. I was pretty excited, coming from the mid west.
@jackson42742 күн бұрын
We have introduced Chinooks in the great lakes, too! Their breeding colors are quite different because they haven’t experienced saltwater for a few generations
@isaiahgiordani3 күн бұрын
Love your videos good job.
@tacocat37423 күн бұрын
Good opinion
@WildaboutUT3 күн бұрын
Glad you like them! Thank you for watching!
@tscottshea3 күн бұрын
Wonderful video, both info and image! Chum salmon are sold in stores as "Keta" salmon. I even asked a restaurant owner if it was really "King" salmon on his menu, and he admitted it was "Keta." Hardly the same thing! Still, I eat them all except farmed salmon. :)
@WildaboutUT3 күн бұрын
Thank you for watching! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
@MrKoobuhКүн бұрын
That chef was a thief, the price difference is massive. King salmon is the most expensive available, and Chum manages to be cheaper than the more abundant Pinks, simply because they're not as palatable.
@questingquillback42633 күн бұрын
As an Ak resident, I agree with you pinks are incredibly delectable and are personally my favorite salmon to eat. The stigma around why they are not considered the best eating is that their meat doesn't keep as well as the other species, often being no better than cat food if frozen for any long period of time. You just have to eat them fresh to experience the good taste. I can attest to chums not tasting the best, I don't really know how to explain the "chummy" flavor, but it's almost kind of bitter. They are one of the better salmon for smoking due to their oily meat, they make pretty decent salmon fritters too.
@tianaargyle62363 күн бұрын
Great video! I am your number one fan! Keep those videos coming! ❤
@WildaboutUT3 күн бұрын
@@tianaargyle6236 Thanks! Best wife ever! You know she's a good one when she doesn't even like fish and watches my videos!
@brisbanekilarny62122 күн бұрын
Good video. I am a biologist and enjoyed your presentation.
@WildaboutUT2 күн бұрын
@@brisbanekilarny6212 Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
@AckermanJiuJitsu3 күн бұрын
Lake Erie does randomly get a few kings. Some have been caught in the maumee river by people walleye fishing.
@Jammastr3 күн бұрын
The average king is DEFINITLY no longer 3 feet/40 lbs, that’s now a very rare fish, especially the further south you get and even in parts of Alaska, many fish are only 2 feet and some change and like 11 lbs
@jackson42742 күн бұрын
In the great lakes, most kings are 10-18 lbs. We will get bigger fish occasionally
@bssaassin190016 сағат бұрын
I've caught plenty of salmon at or approaching 3ft but only weigh around 15-20lbs in California although I have seen some 30 lbers caught. Ever heard of the June hogs of the Columbia River? It's a tragic story and those legendary fish are now only a memory
@liamgiannantonio18073 күн бұрын
There are Kokanee in Connecticut too but they’re also stockies
@liamgiannantonio18073 күн бұрын
Is Pulski NY not on the map since the state stocks all those fish?
@camo_plays17883 күн бұрын
Very Underrated Video! 👍
@WildaboutUT3 күн бұрын
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it!
@MGfishing1Күн бұрын
Extremely well made video
@WildaboutUTКүн бұрын
@MGfishing1 Thank you so much for the kind words. I really appreciate it. A lot of work went into this one!
@MGfishing122 сағат бұрын
@ I can tell, keep up the good content
@r.awilliams98152 күн бұрын
Just a note...both coho and king salmon have been introduced to South American rivers and they have done very well there. It's believed that the next world record king salmon will come from Patagonia.
@shaundiltz58213 күн бұрын
Do the salmon in the Great Lakes go out to the ocean or live their entire life in fresh water? And do they spawn more then once or one and done?
@maxsmo60173 күн бұрын
they stay in the lakes and almost all die during spawning
@EM_opposition3 күн бұрын
salmon in the great lakes do not find their way to the ocean. the population would have moved out and likely died off had they made it down the st lawrence river
@alanjohnson26132 күн бұрын
They spend their life in fresh water too long a trip to the ocean
@mikeofborg23 күн бұрын
I feel bad now about mentioning the range maps, sorry man. I used to chase Lake Ontario Coho and Chinook Salmon on the Salmon River near Pulaski NY when I was stationed at Fort Drum NY.
@kirkstewart-vf6hg3 күн бұрын
The average size of the chinook on the Smith River in far Northern ca this seasons was 30lbs or greater . Just like it had been from days of yore..
@scottappley26263 күн бұрын
You missed a huge King salmon population in the Missouri River, MT, ND, SD. Multiple hatcheries spawning ladders and such.
@itsbobby78732 күн бұрын
In Ontario I always go salmon fishing but have never seen a non silver with a black back and spots king
@Bannflyfisher2 күн бұрын
The Atlantic Salmon is a very special fish here in Ireland.
@rkozakand2 күн бұрын
What about the steelhead? Ive caught those in Lake Michigan.
@r.awilliams98152 күн бұрын
They're not salmon. Steelhead are a trout species.
@greatnorthernadventures5702 күн бұрын
Steelhead are anadromous rainbow trout Oncorhynchus mykiss. Also what you caught isn’t a steelhead. A steelhead is anadromous so it has to go to saltwater. What you caught is a lake run or potadromous rainbow trout. I grew up on the Olympic Peninsula which is steelhead Mecca and that’s a hill I’ll die on.
@kevingodziebiewski25932 күн бұрын
🙄 ok buddy
@jefferymelvin7252Күн бұрын
No salt, no steel.
@ryanshields4842Күн бұрын
You uh, ever heard about the Kokanee of the Carolinas?
@typethe13163 күн бұрын
North American Pink Salmon run on odd years.
@billsmith51093 күн бұрын
This is true in the south end of the pink range. Farther north there are significant even year runs. Genetic investigation has shown the even year and odd year runs to be quite distinct, even in rivers that have each run. The runs the Soviets introduced into their northwest are odd year runs.
@SergioGomez-eg7wr43 минут бұрын
Song name 😅😭
@SergioGomez-eg7wr39 минут бұрын
Great video btw!
@SergioGomez-eg7wr36 минут бұрын
And I love seeing the Kokanee here in Utah in the fall 😩
@drnkinirish5 сағат бұрын
5:44 When it comes to just going off of taste, Sockeye (Red) is massively superior to Chinook (King)
@johnnywolford45192 күн бұрын
Chinook is the largest salmon and the Atlantic salmon is a close second in size.
@woodydavis8287Күн бұрын
I eat them all! For me it started in spenard AK. Now i must buy them in a store...
@mterwill93 күн бұрын
We have self sustaining populations of land locked Atlantic salmon here in the finger lakes of upstate ny. They are absolutely fantastic eating.
@agricola3 күн бұрын
Pink salmon are doing very well in the Great Lakes
@erwinli69623 күн бұрын
Regarding the taste of Chum Salmon, they have a bad reputation because they deteriorate the fastest upon entering fresh water, and because they generally don't taste like other salmon. A silver-coloured chum salmon that is cooked like a white fish (e.g., breaded/fried) or smoked is still very good table fare. Living on the west coast, we truly are spoiled to have so many delicious salmon that many of us consider pinks and chum to be inedible.
@WildaboutUT3 күн бұрын
Thank you for sharing your expertise on Chum salmon!
@Fishing4fun7622 сағат бұрын
I love salmon!
@charlieunderwood13113 күн бұрын
Pink salmon have recently appeared in British and Norwegian rivers and are rapidly increasing and considered invasive. I am not sure whether these are from farming (potentially in Arctic Russia where they have been farmed) or the warming Arctic is allowing Pacific species into the Atlantic.
@PavelDatsyuk-ui4qv3 күн бұрын
During the latest interglacial it's been warmer several times so it's doubtful it's the current warming ,but maybe
@charlieunderwood13113 күн бұрын
@@PavelDatsyuk-ui4qv Various Pacific salmon turn up as rare specimens in the Atlantic, but until now I think only in the sea and never try to spawn; these presumably cross the Arctic Ocean but in too small numbers to form a population. I agree though- in stage 5e (125ka) there was less ice than now and seas were 8m higher, and Atlantic salmon/trout and Pacific forms remained separate. This may be when Arctic charr and some whitefish did move between ocean basins. Interestingly other cold tolerant fish such as porbeagle/salmon shark and Greenland/Pacific sleeper shark also remained separate.
@billsmith51093 күн бұрын
The Soviets intentionally planted pink in their northwest. Several attempts failed. Once established they took off. The Soviets also successfully established king crab populations in adjacent marine waters. The pinks have Western biologists quite concerned about impacts, which so far are more potential than actual. The king crab do have quite an impact on other species.
@charlieunderwood13112 күн бұрын
@@billsmith5109 Thanks. Pink salmon have recently turned up in some of Scotland's prime salmon rivers, and now also Wales and Scotland. Anglers have been told to kill them whenever caught.
@billsmith51092 күн бұрын
@@charlieunderwood1311 The Norwegian biologists were especially concerned after the 2019, and even large 2021 returns. They organized efforts to stop where they could the 2023 run. Concerns have been disease and nutrient flow into their to what I see as oligtrophic river systems. I expect they will in retrospect find that young Atlantic salmon after those two runs had larger than expected in stream biomass growth. At least on the northeast Pacific coast dead salmon are key nutrients. Young salmonids eat them directly. Macro invertebrates eat carcasses directly, but more importantly eat vegetative growth that is fertilized by rotting carcasses. These in turn increase food supply to juveniles. As the late Jeff Cedarholm, PhD used to say, ‘Salmon are habitat’. Results of this short lived, unplanned experiment will be interesting. Will there be a short term bump in Salmo returns?
@christophergoodwin-qo7tgКүн бұрын
In Northern California The creek behind my house 150 feet away is loaded with steelehead, king salmon and coho salmon right now, yet that little creeck will be completely dry in 3 month. Every time i think of leaving this state cause of the terrible nonsense politics im reminded by all the wildlife why i stay, black bear , mountain lions, coyotes, foxes, bobcats, ringtailed cats and all sorts of awesome bird species
@SamSeth3 күн бұрын
It would've been appropriate to include steelhead and cutthroat, which are also anadramous
@greatnorthernadventures5702 күн бұрын
But they are not salmon
@SamSeth2 күн бұрын
@greatnorthernadventures570 you missed the part where they're in the family salmonidae. Just like all the salmon in the video they're of the genus oncorhynchus. We might call them trout, but they're very much a part of the salmon family, and are anadromous
@greatnorthernadventures570Күн бұрын
@ not all of the salmon in the video are from the genus Oncorhynchus. Atlantic salmon are genus Salmo.
@SamSethКүн бұрын
@greatnorthernadventures570 of course the Atlantic species. And to further strengthen my original point, the life cycle of the Atlantic salmon is identical to the steelhead, and they also look very similar. They can both return to the ocean multiple times. It just makes sense to include the anadramous "trouts" in the discussion
@seahawksFishing6 сағат бұрын
Chrome chum is good.
@alanjohnson26132 күн бұрын
Salmon were not accidentally released it was done on purpose and is thriving.
@o_gpotterhead3 күн бұрын
I thought The largest salmon was the taimen
@OkFlyTying3 күн бұрын
Those are not technically salmon
@o_gpotterhead3 күн бұрын
@OkFlyTying Oh I have always been told that they are thanks for clearing it up.
@Runch783 күн бұрын
@o_gpotterheadthey are salmonids, so related to the salmon discussed here. but they are not “true” salmon.
@Mr_CGS18 сағат бұрын
I love smoking chum salmon.
@johnmac47692 күн бұрын
The chum salmon is great for smoking. Not that good fresh.
@tommyhunter18173 күн бұрын
Pink salmon is 100% better eating than king (chinook). King is way too fishy.
@eyolfthorsen329113 сағат бұрын
why that awful music in the background?
@alewis37072 күн бұрын
Interesting topic. Background music is why i won't be watching this. I don't know who decided background music is good editing. It is not. It's at best distracting, at worst totally annoying. It adds nothing. Just trying to spread the word. Have a good one.