The Santa Clauses: FREE WILL IS AN ILLUSION

[@chessplayer6632]

The fact that his last name is Calvin makes the whole “predestination” thing all the more funny 😅

[@PugMugsly]

Oh my god, that is an amazing and apt connection... that I 100% didn't catch till you said it. 😆

[@stephenpaschoal8162]

@PugMugsly Given the number of times you mentioned his full name I was thinking you were going to make that connection. I was going to comment about it myself -- @chessplayer6632 is just a few moves ahead of me and beat me to it. I wonder if any of the writers among the movies and the show intentionally worked off that name association. There's an awful lot of evidence to support your theory -- maybe some of it was a concious decision on at least one writer's part.

[@campfire_cat]

This had me cackling for a good five minutes. 😅 Now, this detail can never go unnoticed ever again.

[@helgmelia84]

Oh man, as a member of a denomination rooted in Calvinism HOW DID I NOT SEE THAT??? And now I can’t un-see it. 😂

[@karisafilmpresents2753]

im sorry i dont understand what his last has to do with his destiny

[@catastropheoverclock]

I like the idea that all Santa related myths have their origins in some ancient cosmic horror that's incomprehensible to us but nonetheless the source of holiday cheer

[@olandir]

You know what, as disturbing as the Santa Clause movie lore has gotten, you have to applaud them for sticking with the bit. They really just kept expanding and expanding and expanding this universe to it's logical (and hilariously frightening) conclusion.

[@LeanFuture]

“He falls for the first human girl he’s ever interacted with in his entire life who’s not a blood relative” Been there…..😂

[@baldchinchilla]

Nice to see disneys long-running body horror franchise continues to add more layers to the insanity. I had no idea there was a tv show, much less that it had 2 seasons.

[@PugMugsly]

I hope they never stop randomly reviving The Santa Clause franchise. Just when people start to forget about it (not me, I'll never forget), it returns with some new convoluted terror.

[@baldchinchilla]

@PugMugsly You know the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced the Santa Clause is just Disneys take on Cronos by Guillermo Del Toro. Instead of vampirism, it's being Santa. Also, good on you for working with kids.

[@sky0kast0]

I knew it came out but I knew I didn't trust Disney enough to buy into Disney Plus

[@stardustgecko]

literally CryptoSanta

[@Brandon-uq4mt]

The first movie Bernard ran the whole north Pole when Scott was becoming Santa in Chicago. I believe that santa is more of a figure head who just delivers gifts. While that is why there's always a head elf who runs the day to day work.

[@juliamavroidi8601]

49:56 That confirms my theory that Santa in the Santa Clause universe is a cognito hazard. Adults do know about him, but reality doesn't allow them to consciously acknowledge his existance

[@Hewylewis]

11:40 But as a kid, Charlie said he wanted to go into the family business, meaning he wanted to be Santa someday. And yes, I'm aware he was a kid when he said that and he's an adult now, but this franchise was meant to be fun, and now it isn't anymore. Heck, they even made that little girl from the first movie who slept on the couch waiting for Santa into a jobless loser. This TV series ruins the fun of the first movie for me.

[@georgeoldsterd8994]

Agreed. And they totally wasted the opportunity to actually give Mrs.Claus a real personality by considering the daughter for the role of Santa. Sure, she'd be a Ms.Santa, but still. It'd work especially well in today's environment of women empowerment, and because quite a few groups already exist in real life advocating for an increased presence/ visibility of Mrs.Santa, or even an outright replacement of Santa with a female version.

[@Hewylewis]

@@georgeoldsterd8994 No, no. Female empowerment projects these days usually suck because they are written terribly with no genuine effort and always make men out to be stupid, jerks, or just evil.

[@user-kw7mr6xt9n]

also, they're cowards because they retconned it so tim allen didn't even kill santa

[@Mallory-Malkovich]

Wait, so this whole show is just a creepy, Christmasy, Tim Allen-y remake of River Song's origin story from _Doctor Who?_

[@sheyannev2757]

I’m reading your comment before watching the video and ohmygod 😂😂😂

[@tomfoolery-4444]

This universe's Santa role is basically the same as the divine right/responsibility of kings. Is Santa just... royalty? A type of royalty that exists to defend the concept of happiness via gift giving rather than defending a nation? What does that MEAN?

[@CyberSpider35]

Most terryfing thins is how eccentually Elizabeth Mitchell characters was forced to be become his wife.

[@HelloKittyfouronesix]

Here's a weird information. The sliding down the chimney and finding a dead body a few months later was in Gremlin, the first one (1984). That was why the love interest hated Christmas so much. LOL

[@shayshay513]

…. The elf rumspringa thing is actually HORRIFIC

[@theagentsquidfiles504]

This is more of a flaw with the sequels than with this show, but it always baffled me that Carol had to move to the North Pole at all. Obviously, its easier for Scott to work if he's at the North Pole, but the first movie made it clear he could work from anywhere for most of the year as long as he was back in the North by Christmas. I understand him as a single father who no longer lives with his kid moving between the first and second film, but there was no reason for Carol to abandon her teaching job. Scott could have moved back to his hometown for most of the year and headed up to the North Pole during the holidays. It even would have fit the theme of the second movie, where his moving to the North Pole full time still caused roadblocks in his relationship with Charlie, and being closer by could have mitigated some of that issue.

[@erikbihari3625]

Fun fact;That little girl who melted the ice off jack frost, not only become extremely"hot", eventually, but panini plus leni loud! Who would've guessed?

[@squirreltactics]

Finally someone else has heard of that song (probably based off of the story told in Gremlins). Every time I mention it to people they look at me like I'm crazy, then again I'm a talking squirrel so people look at me like I'm crazy whenever I say anything.

[@JusticeKorsgaard]

that transition to the krampus interlude was so clean

[@PugMugsly]

Thank you! It was a Christmas miracle that it worked.

[@Mallory-Malkovich]

Why didn't Santa and Mrs. Claus just have more kids? One of them is bound to want to be Santa, right?

[@georgeoldsterd8994]

Would have made even more sense, given how they're essentially a royal family.

[@shanedaley6236]

I think they should have thought out this idea a bit more with the 3rd movie as a thing there's no reason the kids should be like that considering the rest of the family Scott has

[@LiSfan2000]

If they do another season at some point they need to bring back Jack Frost.

[@that44rdv4rk]

I was getting impatient for a new PMugs vid, but this impressively exhaustive analysis has made the wait worthwhile.

[@PugMugsly]

This truly felt like creating my magnum opus. I was like, I WILL HAVE THIS DONE THE FIRST WEEK OF DECEMBER.

[@gothnerd887]

27:46 reminds me of that Elf sequel that never got made and Invasion Of The Christmas Puddings by Jeremy Strong

[@pixelfuzztv]

it's my Christmas tradition to watch all 3 Santa Clause movies and I love talking about the horrific implications of each one lol

[@lanoraphillips4298]

This video is unreal tim Allen is just as cursed to be Santa as scott

[@thebestgummybear9744]

The santa clause will always be one of my favorite Christmas movies

[@oppakunn328]

I didnt watch the show but I feel like it would make more sense plot-wise if Scott passes his mantle to Mad Santa? He the one that didnt manage to complete his "mission" because he got cursed and yeah he seems a bit weird but like, he can't be that bad considering he popularized the Ho Ho Ho phrase. What I'm trying to say is that the Mad Santa shouls be the protagonist of this show instead of Kalvin's borig ass family

[@VuHoang-d4f]

Another great video! There are so many legal clauses involved that I’m surprised that the law firm of Ho Ho Ho LLP hasn’t sponsored this video. lol. Have you seen Krampus (2015)? It’s a pretty good movie and not too scary.

[@PugMugsly]

I love the 2015 Krampus movie. (Dark and funny but not too scary is right on point for me.) I actually went to go see it in theaters when it came out!

[@VuHoang-d4f]

@@PugMugsly Can you believe that was almost 10 years ago!

[@Subreon]

@@VuHoang-d4f shhhhhhhhh shh shh shh shhhhhhhhhh. shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[@Mecharnie_Dobbs]

7:38 "Carroll is my dead name."

[@nanopanda]

32:14 yanno, scott cant be human because he and his family loves being in Chicago. No one here loves being in Chicago.

[@paulstan9828]

Does your shirt say HO’S? Ha!!! 👍🤣 To funny I just saw it HO to the 3rd power! Good one! 😁👍

[@Velvet_kangaroo]

Such a missed opportunity to make a “evil Santa” insted of a krampis plot Edit: I meant that krampus was a more interesting idea then evil Santa but apparently I can’t articulate my thoughts very well

[@georgeoldsterd8994]

But they did make an evil-ish Santa in s02, and Krampus is just a cameo more than anything.

[@catastropheoverclock]

Yeah they invent an evil Santa then use the famous evil Santa as bit. Just turn the evil Santa into Krampus

[@Velvet_kangaroo]

Thanks for pointing out my stupid wording of this comment it conveyed the exact opposite of what I ment

[@IanZainea1990]

but if the santas before Tim Allen were ethereal beings... why was there ever more than one? Couldn't it live for ever?

[@PugMugsly]

Exactly!!!

[@Fragmentsinfractals488]

I theorize Santa Claus is a Thought Form being created by Christmas magic. And Thought Forms are shaped by the conscious and unconscious mind of people (especially children). So, every time people's collective Belief about Santa Claus changes, Santa d13s metaphysically and is reborn to line up with that Belief. Which is why, sometimes they lose their Minds, or have no name, or have to get married. It is the collective belief and thoughts of children that run Santa Claus. The Fate this Video speaks off.

[@oldmanmammoth5364]

My thoughts on it are that the problem with being immortal is being unable to change or at the very least being slow to change. Now for other Celestial beings like Mother Nature and Father Time (who we both see in the 2nd and 3rd movie) this is not a problem. However with Santa there is no time for them to slowly adapt, so every time the world changes a new Santa takes their place. Think about how our perception of Christmas has changed over the centuries, not only does a Santa have to change with those times to keep up with modern trends and technology but also adapt to the ever changing rules of morality. I mean could you imagine a 2024 Christmas with a Santa with the same views of Naughty and Nice as he had in 1820? A series of Santa’s makes it so that the world always has a Father Christmas that fit with the world they live in. I’d be more worried about the previous Santa’s being judgy about how lenient their replacement is about certain things. Sorta a combination of the Toy Santa from the 2nd film and every grandparent who talks about “their day.” Just for the record I have not seen a Santa Clause film in over a decade.

[@BleedingOnion]

I did not know the clause lore was this deep😮

[@Kahless47]

Just yesterday, I went searching to see if there was another Pug Mugsly video available yet since it seemed about time for another one to arrive. Unfortunately, I forgot the channel name, and instead had to search for Squonk and Pennsylvania. 🤣 Thanks for your wonderfully wacky videos, Pug!

[@PugMugsly]

Thank you! :) Lol, I'm pleased to be remembered specifically for my Squonk content.

[@evanlinden4410]

Oh hey, a Hanukkah present for me! A new Christina video!

[@PugMugsly]

Yay!

[@DangerDave-e7u]

The same thing happened in Noelle (2019). The back up Santa uses drones to deliver gifts, but he also sends mean letters and emails to bad kids. That's a fun fact about St. Nick, being a patron saint of hoes is something I can identify with 😂

[@PugMugsly]

I haven't seen Noelle, but I think there are a lot of repeating themes in Christmas movies when trying to create a modern Santa. (It feels like this franchise was even copying from itself, with some of the show plot points kind of mirroring The Santa Clause 3.)

[@lizardwomanfromearthscore]

That gnome's played by the girl who played Constance Contraire in another Disney + show. There, that's my contribution.

[@dylandoh6495]

Welp, I guess I am Mothman now. See you in West Virginia in 10 months!

[@uchihaitachifan00666]

I mean, if Scott and Carol can't die and cal refuses the role it's possible the ethereal may just have them make a new son.

[@pumpkinmaryam5500]

this video is really interesting an all, but i don’t like the usage of AI art for multiple of the section thumbnails…

[@IanZainea1990]

49:37 I laughed out loud at that. this show sounds hilarious

[@PugMugsly]

The plot overall is very saccharine and full of loose threads, but there are some EXCELLENT throwaway jokes.

[@belg4mit]

You really had fun with some of those puns, eh? A possible solution to the shedding and maybe toning down the wig: Would it be possible to braid it?

[@PugMugsly]

I had a full list of puns. More puns than I had sections in the video. (And braiding might work! That would definitely keep the loose hair in.)

[@Juuust_Jaaack]

This lore is blowing my mind. I'm so glad I don't have to watch the show now

[@jasperwisecarver]

for the wig question at the end, I say go for it. it *is* a lot, but I think that's what the kids would really like about it. i mean if a Christmas elf can't go all out for her holiday, what's even the point, right?

[@paulstan9828]

Ha!!! 🤣 Love your videos always a good laugh.

[@PugMugsly]

Thank you!!

[@georgeoldsterd8994]

New to the channel and, honestly (and not to sound rude), i was a bit disappointed to find out that it's a wig, as the hairstyle really suits you, and the colours are nice, too. As to your question, yes, it would work well with an elf get-up, i think, but maybe style it somehow so it doesn't get caught on something or whatnot. 🤔 Otherwise, enjoying the content. Happy holidays! 😁

[@xeokrux]

Of course there is free will. If there wasn’t, Sin wouldn’t exist.

[@brooklyn5755]

This lore is hilariously terrifying ❤😂

[@azraelvrykolakas157]

Memorial day? I remember having a day off from school. There was also one time my posh uncle got mad because I asked what day it was. But I've literally never seen any celebratory tradition surrounding it. My family didn't even have big dinners specifically for Memorial day. Whatever it's supposed to commemorate is probably something normal people commemorate on the fourth and only people who get 30 vacation days a year can afford to put up a fus about it. Weird that bankers and teachers get extra holidays. Unacceptable that they belittle people with real jobs for not having the same privileges.

[@1heKing]

love the hairdo!

[@PugMugsly]

Thank you! I think this is my favorite wig.

[@1heKing]

​@@PugMugslyits lovely!

[@domsanimationstudios]

I found S2 and the 3rd movie my favourite 🤩.

[@kelleypopelar3162]

I haven’t heard anything about the tv series on a 3rd season one way or another. I’m sure though that any future seasons were put on hold because of all the issues that the actor and writer strikes this year, many projects were delayed and some cancelled. I really love these movies and while I haven’t seen the series yet because it was confined to +streaming platforms (which I still think is stupid ,just put it on dvd or seasons 1&2 air on cable)… I really want more seasons where they can explore more with who mrs. clause is and his kids along with more Charlie and Bernard.

[@IanZainea1990]

2:18 the elves will cook him

[@LaughingOakFea]

Wow! Unlike American politics Santas are retired when they are out of touch with current values, unlike US politicians.

[@s.henrlllpoklookout5069]

Wait...Cal Calvin? Who came up with that name??

[@TheFinalHazard242]

I know someone named Robert Roberts

[@Predalien72]

This is a curse right?

[@HUmanMustard]

I love your hair

[@PugMugsly]

Thank you! I think this is my favorite wig.

[@frostshock13]

I don't know if in my entire life have I heard someone say "she has fallen pregnant"...Also, Christina, I wish I could say I didn't think it would end this way, but I gotta tell I always knew it would.. opening up ...more, looking for the what's coming up next and being tricked into becoming mothman.

[@PugMugsly]

I'm sorry. But also congratulations. Mothman does have an annual festival, so that'll be nice.

[@erikbihari3625]

Hope they aren't just gonna pull out krampus now! But given the recent disney track record, they probably might. Why not left well enough?

[@PugMugsly]

I've been obsessed with Krampus forever, but I feel like he's gotten really "trendy" recently.

[@erikbihari3625]

@PugMugsly . True, people like the good cops more, meanwhile badcops are necessary!

[@stardustgecko]

not to be a bummer is that an ai image in the title card for chapter 1 😐

[@pumpkinmaryam5500]

there are multiple AI images used throughout the video 😬

[@PugMugsly]

Yes, I used the Pixlr Image Generator for several of the title cards.

[@movieforceofficial]

Using AI isn't illegal. Besides, it's title cards, I don't think that's a big deal

[@FallenBishop77]

@@movieforceofficialit steals from artists and should genuinely be banned

[@caittails]

Jesus Christ, not Topeka (pronounced Tuh-peeka, not “toe”) being portrayed as a good place to be normal. 😅 This is a VERY angry city that people are desperate to leave. Someone on the writing team didn’t do their research, lol.

[@luckystar9279]

Doesn't that sort of speak to the characterization though? The whole idea is that he's out of touch due to being isolated his entire life. Why would you expect him to know that about the real Topeka when according to you most people can't even pronounce the name correctly. For the record I'm lazily using speech to text and pronouncing Topeka with a toe works just fine xD

[@alyssamontgomery2978]

This is heartbreaking. The movies are one thing but the show is awful. This worse than modern Family Guy Christmas episodes or evry American Dad Christmas episodes.

[@FallenBishop77]

But was the AI necessary

[@PugMugsly]

A few people have mentioned the AI, so I'm going to respond to you with a longer comment than necessary to serve as a broader response, lol. So when I was working on the title cards, I really wanted to pull vintage images of creepy old Christmas cards. HOWEVER, when I was pretty far in the process, I discovered that some designs that were commonly passed around on various sites as authentic vintage images were ACTUALLY vintage-style art drawn by modern artists that had been stolen -- and in some cases, reproduced. At that point, I didn't want to proceed with using vintage images unless I could verify they were legit. Which would take time. I use Pixlr as a Photoshop-esque tool for thumbnails, and they offer an image generator. So I used the image generator, and it came up with some hilarious and wild images. I liked that they had vintage vibes, but also appeared weird and unsettling. I'm not married to using AI, so I appreciate the feedback.

[@FallenBishop77]

@ I get what you were going for but even but all gen ai does is steal even if offered through places like adobe photoshop and pixlr so while you were trying to avoid other sites using other artists work weather stolen or replicated you used a system that automatically scrapes millions of artists work and smashes them together without payment or credit and no way for artists to opt out or stop their work from being stolen while I get your intentions were well meaning they have sadly been misplaced

[@kelleypopelar3162]

I haven’t heard anything about the tv series on a 3rd season one way or another. I’m sure though that any future seasons were put on hold because of all the issues that the actor and writer strikes this year, many projects were delayed and some cancelled. I really love these movies and while I haven’t seen the series yet because it was confined to +streaming platforms (which I still think is stupid ,just put it on dvd or seasons 1&2 air on cable)… I really want more seasons where they can explore more with who mrs. clause is and his kids along with more Charlie and Bernard.