The Sash (Nationalist)

[@lawrencelewis2592]

I saw the last loyalist parade in Toronto, Canada (The Belfast of North America, it used to be called) in 1995. Very old men with orange sashes marched down Yonge Street. They controlled the city for many years but that's all done now.

[@brenndelta5239]

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[@lawrencelewis2592]

@@brenndelta5239the power structure of Toronto was largely run by Scots Presbyterians and Northern Irish Protestants in the late 19th and the 20th century until about 1970 or so. The orange lodges were powerful and certain ones controlled the civil service, the police, the transit system and so forth. If you weren't in the "right" lodge you couldn't get a job as a streetcar driver, just for example. It was after WW2 when the lodges started to diminish in power when waves of immigrants came to Toronto, from mainly Italy and Poland. The laws were pretty restrictive in the 1950s. On Sunday, no movies, no ball games and they would lock up the swings in parks so they couldn't be used. Hard to believe but it's true. Fun was not allowed on Sunday.

[@peterbell3172]

@@lawrencelewis2592Sounds like what we call here in Scotland (the wee frees) the free Church of Scotland.

[@johnnotrealname8168]

I know that there were riots there when the Irish immigrated in the 1840s. It is funny that the same issues there were brought with them.

[@lawrencelewis2592]

@@johnnotrealname8168 The Irish outnumbered the local residents at the time.

[@esklhrria]

26 + 6 =.... 1 Love from the Basque Country

[@bernardmcmahon351]

It reminds me of the northern orange men winding people up, working class people against each other but catholics in the north had no basic rights up to the seventies, I believe Ireland will be united one day sooner than later, the northern Protestants may even like the idea of living in peace with their unique ‘orange’ identity celebrated without aggression, the whole island of Ireland could be extra prosperous ☘️🇮🇪

[@noah-gs8tl]

a lot of orange me. are middle class and some poor and also there where cathliocs in william the 3rds army and i went of topic with the william the 3rd part. And i’m a middle class orangeman

[@VLSMITH1000]

Sure man, They were talking about peace, love, justice and togetherness before 1641,before the St. Bartholomew Massacre,before WWI and II! The Vatican will be ready to kill us Protestants again if they can! But we are ready for them! NO Surrender! God is with the Protestants! Long live Israel! Down the Catholic invention called Islam!

[@paulmillar5954]

There's over 35,000 orange men, with maybe only 2 or 3 starting fights every year, so it can't reasonably be said that we're all causing trouble.

[@thomassupplisson4721]

This is not an Irish nationalist song, it’s a protestant loyalist song

[@yoshii63]

The versions commonly thrown around are. However this was played by the Wolfe Tones. A nationalist band. They change the lyrics so it's more neutral. The second verse leans a good bit nationalist with "and united we'll be when there's no more border line"

[@callumring6539]

@@yoshii63 The wolfe tones, yes, they have a bunch of Irish rebel song, however, this is a loyalist song nor do they care about the loalists up north. They do celebrate Irish culture and whatever, however, this goes to show that they are sympathetic towards loyalist music. Like 'The Sash' that you had uploaded. 'The Sash' is an explicitly Loyalist song only sung by Orange Men and Women. The song could also be sung by people in the republic or Ireland... If they were Loyalists. So, this is an Orange song that The Wolfe Tones had played. Even Wolfe Tone himself didn't have hatred towards the protestants, but had wanted peace between Catholics and Protestants living together... In a Catholic country.

[@yoshii63]

@@callumring6539 this specific version is not a Loyalist song. Way more of a neutral song. Hell even a bit nationalist. Like I Said becuase of the line I put in my first comment. Most versions are Loyalist. This one however isn't.

[@tjclarke1892]

​@yoshii63 "most versions are loyalist" all are because its a loyalist song. It's like saying Come out Ye Black and Tans can be a loyalist song. Yea they changed some lyrics.

[@tjclarke1892]

​@@yoshii63They might be changed the lyrics but it's a loyalist song. It isnt nationalist at all. Changing a few lyrics doesn't change that. They sung the sash BECAUSE it was a loyalist song and they see it as part of irish history

[@user-mr1bg3sz4i]

I just love the actual music!

[@roadend78]

God bless Ireland from the Scousers 💚❤️

[@ray101mond]

Oy I've got a record player to sell ya. One of a very loyal kind.

[@yoshii63]

Fenian Record Player!!!! Might do that one next

[@ray101mond]

@@yoshii63 it's a classic in the Green Lodge.

[@yoshii63]

@@ray101mond I bet. Listening to The Davitts's version of it. Might do that version for the next video

[@ray101mond]

@@yoshii63 check out the Wolfe tones version of the Protestant men which talks about the men of 98 if you're familiar with the Irish Good Friday agreement.

[@yoshii63]

@@ray101mond it talks about 1798. Nothing about the Good Friday Agreement.

[@FionanUaMurchadha]

This is the Ireland I want a single nation state where we can all sing our songs (minus the bigoted and sectarian songs) together.

[@vonbeedle554]

The only bigoted and sectarian songs out there are Loyalist ones.

[@FionanUaMurchadha]

@@vonbeedle554 Maybe, but how many nationalist songs could they consider bigoted they could (Consider Celtic Symphony bigoted) they could Consider Amhrán na bhFiann as in the full lyrics in the original English it mentions "Out yonder waits, the Saxon-Foe"

[@FionanUaMurchadha]

@JacktheFilmFanatic-vu1nk I don't consider songs about the 1919-1922 IRA as sectarian personally, thats my one thing, they had popular support and legitimacy (73 seats out of 105) amongs the people but after the split in the civil war no they don't have support of the people and never will.

[@johnnotrealname8168]

@JacktheFilmFanatic-vu1nkI do not thing you quite understand what sectarianism means.

[@adrianharvison9269]

A very well known song

[@donns53]

In fairness it’s not a bad oul tune.. especially if you write ur own words

[@jakebeyond539]

SUBSCRLBED Yes 👍

[@crotchrottss]

The version I know is about Buckfast..😮

[@davidmccullough6436]

It sure is orange!

[@marellelaverty6140]

Hooray for the RED WHITE & BLUE, The Sash my Father & Grandfather wore and God save the KING

[@LarryMolloy-js2uk]

Am I right in saying you're Australian? Like from down under?

[@proddypapa7965]

this is a loyalist song .natoinalists are supporters of a united ireland and the republic .NO HOME RULE .ULSTER REMAINS BRITISH .

[@yoshii63]

This version is nationalist. Also Sean-Éire na nGael go deo (Old Gaelic Ireland forever!)

[@Pack_leader1989]

This is set to the tune of a American Confederate song called to forest from the brave Tennessee i love it proud irish American here our countries are intertwined us irish built america 🇺🇲❤️🇮🇪

[@verynormalperson7003]

the tune of the sash my father wore has been around since the 1700s long before the stupid cnfederacy

[@Pack_leader1989]

​@@verynormalperson7003 ok but it still dosent change the fact its the same tempo an you know why because most of the south like most of this great country was irishmen an the Confederacy wasnt stupid our government now days is stupid unlike the Confederate government which respected peoples property an didnt invade other ppls country but greetings from America 🇺🇲🇮🇪

[@Pack_leader1989]

​@@verynormalperson7003an yes ik this is music before the us was even a country during the battle of the boyen between king William of orange an king james of Scotland in which james was jacobite an william was protestant the boyne was a protestant victory i love my irish, Scottish and welsh roots 🇺🇲🇮🇪🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@verynormalperson7003]

@@Pack_leader1989 the confederates opened fire on the union fortress at the start, they invaded the union by attacking the fort and seceding

[@yoshii63]

Only the chorus. The chorus in this version of the song isn't the Sash but the Green Grass Slopes of The Boyne - a British loyalist song.

[@GoldenWembley]

Why is the Accent so wonky ???

[@yoshii63]

Old recording

[@barrymcmanus8233]

Up Ireland 🇮🇪

[@ATLmodK]

It is insane and offensive to call this Loyalist anthem a Nationalist song when it actually the opposite and then to top it with the tricolor, that was illegal to fly in Northern Ireland until 1998, in the thumbnail demonstrates offensive ignorance. I suppose Men Behind the Wire is a Unionist song?

[@yoshii63]

The Sash is yes a Loyalist song. However THIS VERSION is Nationalist "when there's no more border line" wouldn't you call that line a Nationalist belief?

[@Dilkingt0nne]

Yeah your imagery’s a bit mixed up there lad but it’s fine you know. And I imagine I’m the last person to tell you so…

[@yoshii63]

Imagery? Like the background images? Or the fact I called it a nationalist song which oh so many people have pointed out lmfao

[@Dilkingt0nne]

@@yoshii63 the background images

[@irafan2]

This is a protestant loyalist song. Still a good song, but not a good cause.

[@Beorthere]

Is terrorism ever a good cause?

[@irafan2]

@@Beorthere Not when its the orangists

[@Kmc1qlAq8Dt6tpVC]

This version is not loyalist it is clearly making a point for a united republican ireland. Protestants can and have been republicans before, eg, the 1798 rebellion

[@dan-860]

Is self-determination not a good cause to you?

[@irafan2]

@@dan-860 No, it is. The Orange Order isn't, though

[@Protestant16907]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 0:37 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 brilliant know your place bow to ur English masters.

[@yoshii63]

I see a Loyalist here! Should have expected that. Yes. It's quoting the Sash. Yes. It's in the tune of the Sash. However this version isn't Loyalist. Also "English masters"? Yalls ass got beaten by countrymen with rifles lmfao

[@Protestant16907]

😂😂😂😂😂😂look at ur history iam not a loyalist. Iam a true patriot..🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 know ur place

[@yoshii63]

@The_Great_Wars the only type of Loyalist I support. Thanks lad

[@WjfhdhShshshsh]

​@The_Great_Warsthese are loyalists not unionist Aka neo nazis and uvf supporters

[@WjfhdhShshshsh]

​@@Protestant16907 Your commander Billy Wright was shot ten times in the face Skill issue

[@briansmith1029]

Utter lies I'm an orangeman the sash is not and never will be an Irish rebel tune

[@yoshii63]

This specific version was made to be less of a Unionist song and more of a nationalist song. Can especially tell with the last verse