The SCARY TRUTH About Tadej Pogacar Everyone Has FORGOTTEN

[@eonbart]

It is still too early to compare them. And even when Pogacar is older the comparsion will be hard because the sport has changed so much. Anyway he is just amazing and a joy to watch

[@RqiN1]

Why it is early, the comparison is there since he won Flanders, we cannot not compare them, and on top of that is for the first time we have someone that might goes and share the throne with the goat Merckx.

[@redd605]

He is half way to breaking mark record 17 wins already in 4 or 5 years he will have 36 wins if he keeps up his win ratio of 4+ every year on the tour the France.

[@williamtetrault1300]

Tadej Pogacar is clearly a second edition of The Cannibal. It just remains to be seen if Tadej’s reign will be as long and as enduring as that of Merckx

[@gabrieljohannson6777]

Yeah agree. I think Tadej will be wanting to win as much as possible to set new records.

[@bikeyclown4669]

These comparisons are interesting, but not realistic. I started following racing during the 80's, and a lot has changed since then. It's not a completely different sport, but the demands on racers are different. During the 80's and before, pro racers proudly talked about competing in over 110 race days a year, and most of those races were for training where racers had no intention of actually trying to win. Modern racers might do 70, and take the races they compete in much more seriously. Comparing overall win to loss ratios isn't necessary an equivalent measurement from era to era. There was a bigger push by sponsors simply to have a racer make an, "appearance," during previous eras. As I understand it, when Jacques Anquetil won his fifth Tour of France he had no intention of winning at the beginning of the race, and was focused on winning a different grand tour (the Giro I think) that year as he had already won enough Tours. He was racing the Tour to support a teammate and to train. His teammate could not win (he crashed or got sick), so they asked him to win it. Anquetil agreed and won the race. When Pogicar shows up to a race, he's there to win, not to train or to meet appearance obligations. I mean no disrespect to racers from either era. Things are just different. Comparisons are fun, but difficult to qualify.

[@PinkAsAPistol]

Can it be that the comparisons to Eddy Merckx that "everyone has forgotten" (despite the fact that everybody keeps making them) reveal a "scary truth" (and a chilling one at that) because that's the only way to trick somebody into wasting 10 minutes of their life only to hear for a millionth time that these two are compared because they have been winning a lot?

[@SlobodanSchumacher]

As Slovenian cycling fan I follow Pogačar from 2017 on and I remember how he was winning in his first season, like Vuelta 2019 where he was beating the best cyclist in the world Roglič on mountains and I was shocked by his last mountain stage attack, he won it by 1min 32s. It was a shocker, I was speechless, to make that in first professional season is unseen! I realistically expect what happened then in TdF time trial 2020. Commentaries may respond that was cheating, doping, but I pretty much expected it according to what happened in 2019. Even more, when that natural phenomenon was exposed in 2020 and Visma terribly lost I fortold cycling would be badly changed from that moment on- cause money dependant and hungry for wins teams will answer to that einstein of cycling in the way we all know. And I was excatly right. I dont claim that Pogačar is different, I dont claim he is clean, on the contrary, dominos have fallen and everyone was forced to answer how to cope with Jonas. But they dont find an answer. Just be aware, if you take time trial advantage of Jonas on Tour 2023 (2min 50s in only 22km) to all rivals (except Pogi) and you convert that advantage to 62 km cyclist used to ride in 90ies, you get 8 minutes advantage to them. If you do the same with Pogi time trial TdF 2020 La Plance des belles filles (36km and 1min and 21s to 2 rivals) and convert it to 62 km you get 2min 20s advantage. Do you see the difference between 8 min and 2min 20s? That was the advantage to first followers/ bunch of best others. You dont believe it, you calculate it yourself!!! I just know how irrational answers i can get, so please please, those few ones who understand what i keep saying you just have empaty how they tried to destroyed this unique talent. Thanks God, Tadej is easy minded, and he doesnt bother too much if he will always lose Tour by 10 minutes to Jonas. Tadej should have 4 Tours at just 24 years. No, Tadej is not Eddy, but he resembles him to you, Cyclingdanes, because you are smart to understand that! To others he is not, as he is way worse than Jonas in TdF. History is written by winners and after some time nobody will care what means they use to make diffenerce today.

[@carlrichards9333]

No need to compare, just enjoy the racing

[@or9481]

Agreed.

[@markokitzing4291]

What again was the scary truth everyone has forgotten? I must have missed it.

[@Blog4Justice]

Shameless Danish clickbait.

[@andrew6889-p5c]

It’s hard to love cycling and criticize Merxkx. But he cheated a lot. If I was Pogi I’d be very uncomfortable with the comparison to him. In fact, it’s basically impossible to find any rider who was clean who had been this dominant. Infer from that what you like.

[@Foxtrottangoabc]

When pogo first came on the scene doingbthe giro and tdf , I remember him winning Big Hill climb stages and barely breaking a sweat or puffing. It was common a few years ago for the winners to be absolutely shattered

[@TomasSwiftMetcalfe]

7wkg doesn't leave much to skepticism. Froome was barely scrapping 6 and people cried fowl. Now there's a handful of very young guys doing 7 and suddenly they're gifted, all "generational" talent.

[@swissbiggy]

Well you did give the answer already... Which is only logic of course when you watch Pogi and his Saunier Duval teammates..... eeeeeuh UAE teammates... Whoops. 😉😅

[@jamesrobert4106]

I was thinking EXACTLY the same. Not one, but multiple failed drug tests.

[@nis2989]

Merkx doped but he didnt cheat, most of them were not regulated

[@Calisthenics-vp2ot]

With total wins you can't compare them. Merckx rode on average 100 races a year and pogacar 50. So pogacar wins ratio is nearly the same. And in grand tours these era there is often a attacker who wins a mountain stage, and in the time of Merckx it was more like who is the best, wins the stage, so 34 stages in the Tour for pogacar is impossible to achieve.

[@justinexplainseverything1554]

Yeah, but I think what separates Merckx from Pogacar, is the fact that Merckx won 277 Road races, plus 11 Grand Tours, plus 3 World Championships...while also dominating Track racing and winning a total of 525 races between Track and Road lol. Imagine if Merckx only focused on just Road races and the Grand Tours?? To put that into perspective, Mark Cavendish is a Road racing specialist, and has been racing for like 20 years, and he is 2nd behind Merckx with 164 Road wins, (113 wins behind Merckx). And lastly, Merckx retired at age 32, so it's not like he raced until he was 40 and just padded his wins lol.

[@MichalW95]

Well, at this point i do believe Pogi can break Merckx (Cavendish) record.

[@Pooneckynecky]

It is definately not impossible

[@DynamiteDB]

Pog is literally a once in a lifetime cyclist. Its super rare you get a guy who is a GC beast and also a one day specialist. He reminds me a complete and more consist version of Primoz Roglic. I think one thing Roglic has over Pog is his mental toughness. I’ve seen Pog crack much harder than Rog and I’ve also seen him lose his cool. Just makes you wonder how good Roglic could have been if he started cycling as a kid. One thing that I’ve noticed with Pog is that when he trains and focuses on the spring clsssics, it tends to effect him at the Grand Tours and usually his first GT of the year is The Tour. Taking part in the Giro might make him even more susceptible to cracking. You can’t train for one day races and stage races at the same time. It’s very hard to be super competitive at the monuments and the GT’s in the same year.

[@deezynar]

"It’s very hard to be super competitive at the monuments and the GT’s in the same year." Why?

[@Justin-Thyme]

​@@deezynar Because those are different kinds of beasts, and usually require different kinds of trainings. With monuments you have to be the best in a super explosive one day race, usually on hilly terrain. You go super hard on the day, then you have at least a week to recuperate. A GT requires 3 weeks of constant 60 km/h racing, you're expected to attack on days with 3 or 4 GPMs, and a bad day is enough to kick you out of the podium. They require a different kind of preparation. Pog started to seriously play with monuments after his second TdF win, and he hasn't won the TdF since. Is that the only reason? Unlikely, because he's still head and shoulders above every other "normal" competitor. Plus, his losses do have some explanations: 2 years ago Jumbo had a monster team, and last year he crashed in spring which caused him to miss a lot of prep time. But it is telling that, since Pog started to split his focus, he hasn't come even close to beating Jonas, who's just as much of a prodigy as he is.

[@deezynar]

@@Justin-Thyme Thanks. That's interesting.

[@DynamiteDB]

@@Justin-Thyme exactly! Training for a GT and a monument are extremely different.

[@frankfrohmann1504]

Wrong statements.

[@rctedford]

I think one of the differences I see is Tadej seems to always be having a good time racing for the pure exceleration of racing. I thought after Chris Froom going down it would be a long time before I would see his equal come along. Boy was I wrong. Watching Tadej race makes an old man happy.

[@veggiechowder8877]

You forgot that Eddie raced against Pou Pou too

[@bgorg1]

They are different riders but the one thing they both do- once they get a lead their rivals shut down.

[@isitrachelorj3953]

There's an old lady from the Netherlands who's won everything, forever. I think she's only a few years younger than Eddy, yet she is still winning. Are you sure he's the greatest racer of all time?

[@stevozrepto5558]

Sean king Kelly Raced all year , won TTs Sprints Classics stage races a grand tour . ☘️☘️☘️✌️☘️☘️

[@jamesrobert4106]

Juicer.

[@JG-pm9ty]

Amazing riders. Merckx was before my time. Very exciting to be able to follow the path of Tadej's successes. With the current state of cycling's science and technology it's hard to say it's an exact apples to apples comparison, but Merckx achieved his success without those benefits. That said, their passion to compete and win are very similar

[@paulrigsbee4571]

Excellent video Scott!! Very informative and spot on in your analysis!

[@pihi42]

Wow, this was before Giro, Tour and WC. And 12 GT stages. Inching closer to comparison.

[@thart6103]

Congrats on 40k subs, Scott! 🎉

[@scottmcmillan1813]

Thank yo...That is a lot of Subway sandwiches I have eaten over the years 40 K !!!! Oh sorry you meant Scott with the 40 k Subscribers ? Oh I look so stupid ! 😂😂😂😂

[@thart6103]

@@scottmcmillan1813 😂😂😂

[@thart6103]

@@scottmcmillan1813 yeah my comment is stupid lol

[@izildagrego812]

Some people can’t stand geniuses and try to find fault!! So jealous are those

[@steelcity4581]

It’s going to take him a few years to reach the legendary level of prime Chris Froome never mind Eddie

[@jeffw9465]

Eddy won 9 grand tours and all classics multiple times. I think that Trumps anything Froom did?

[@JakeJ.-yi1du]

Pogacar is so far ahead of Froome at this point of his career it's downright comical. By their age 25 season Pogacar has 63 pro wins including 2 grand tours, 3 major stage races, 5 monuments, and 5 classics. Froome on the other had by his age 25 season had 0 pro wins.

[@Stevenafoe]

Froome never was as good

[@spacexander4239]

At this point it’s safe to say Pogi is the greatest of all time

[@ShimmyD-u7g]

I think it's safe to say he is destined for GOAT status, but you can't put him there yet.

[@jeffw9465]

Let him win 9 grand tours and all the classics multiple times. Then we'll talk. Tikk that day Eddy is untouchable

[@asnark7115]

@@ShimmyD-u7g Yeah, he has to stop giving away grand tours to inferior racers. Never in Merckkx' life did he give away races he should have won. Cannibal was more than just talented; he was a canny racer. Pog is nothing like a clever rider.

[@Foxtrottangoabc]

He has to win a Paris roubaix , a world championship or an Olympic gold to be considered great. The date vinguaard only enters tdf so will never be great intill he enters the big one day races

[@incqbait_Ltd]

Pog is doing some really great racing, but, I think this point/comparison is only really justified to compare when Pog has retired, then his victories can be measured against Merckx's . As already said, the sport has just changed but theres always a dominance in every generation, some just greater than others

[@estebanverhaeghe6727]

Interesting video! I don't know if there is an all time cycling classification using a method similar to the elo ranking in chess (Idk if it's even possible to achieve), but I think than the best way to compare them could be the relative strengh of their opponents Merckx faced De Vleaminck, Gimondi, Poulidor, Martens, Van Impe, Pingeon, Thevenet,... All in their prime, and they can be all considered as being part of the top 25 all time

[@WegrennerX]

Pingeon? 😂

[@boukebuffel]

Clickbait title... guys please

[@RB..1]

Have to get past Hinault before getting to Merckx.

[@Sills71]

You can't compare Merckx era racers and today's racers. The 1969 TdF was 20% longer than the 2023 race and the longest stage was 62% longer than the longest in 2023. The Merckx era demanded racing MUCH more often. It is hardly even the same sport.

[@peteravolio2695]

Different for sure... slower overall speed by 6 kph comparing 1969 to 2023, smaller field (130) and the overall pool of riders were western european. Very different, almost a non comparison 🤔

[@thomas77ify]

He can´t do what he did in the tour this year without pissing people off, and the newspapers will start digging and they´ll find something. I don´t think history will be kind on pogacar.

[@swisstopia]

Too bad Jonas more than likely, won’t be 100% at the TDF. It would be great to see he and Tadej battle each other again, while both are on good form.

[@DavidCalhoun-jf6bv]

I was racing juniors in CA when Eddy was winning everything. All the boys in my club knew he was juicing. "Take 'roids (or speed) if you want to win, like Eddy." Don't bother denying it, he was busted three times. So, as far as we know, by that comparison Pog >> Eddy.

[@lasq88]

No mention of Vingegaard really? I like Pogacar, he seems like a nice guy and he’s a great cyclist but to be compared to Merckx he needs to win with Vingegaard on TdF first. Something he was not able to achieve yet.

[@justkris6461]

Why mention vingegaard when it comes to the greatest cyclists. Vin is a great stage racer, not the all rounder pogi is. He will never win those one day classics imo.

[@razmataz13drums]

I agree he should more than mention Vingegaard. But Pogacar has beaten Jonas twice at the tour, much like Jonas has done to Pogi. But I would say that even if you say that Jonas would always beat Pogi at the tour (which we'd have to see what happens this year), he wouldn't beat him at other races necessarily

[@thewatercooler2]

He did mention Van Der Poel and Vingegaard.

[@howlinhauler]

Pogi does it against more stronger riders, will be hard. MVP eating monuments.

[@scullcap357]

Dont forget that without Jonus being in those TDF races Tadej woul be going for a fifth , as far as Tadej goes if he was going for a fifth TDF and won it he would be the greatest 25 and under racer of all time , as it stands now even with a win in this years TDF tied with Merckx at this point in career .

[@FrittenFriseurLPs]

I Think Tadej can win MSR, but his Team has to make a huuuuge effort to distance al sprinters early enough

[@emiliosbousios1727]

Yes with today's technology, it's possible. Let's see what these cyclists can do with Eddy Merckx's old technology. Eddy Merckx will be always a Legend .

[@fabricehardel8953]

No need to compare.. Cycling has been so dirty since early 1990!!! Each time there is a new prodigy BANG!!!

[@swissbiggy]

Cycling and all other sports have always been dirty, and will always be... Simple as that... Nothing changed since the previous century, only the stuff they use and when they use it.

[@billyred889]

What’s the song playing in the background?

[@JakeJ.-yi1du]

6:41 "We might see Pogacar win the Giro d'Italia in 2024", yes and the sun may rise tomorrow...

[@zacharysmith8378]

Too bad Merckx wasn’t allowed to try and get an Olympic medal!

[@Nune-xj7km]

How may I reach out you?

[@philipbrighouse8419]

Love the content pal

[@louisbello930]

Pogacar is a ALMOST the best rider that has ever ridden but Merckx was still something Else!

[@MEB939]

Great video! Thanks a lot

[@squatchy69]

Pretty sure they both had access to the best juice available during their years

[@thelonious-dx9vi]

Yeah, everyone's on about Jonas/Visma and how smart they're playing TdF 2024. Smart enough to avoid Jonas doing any work. Huzzah. Me, I'll take Tadej all day long, attacking and making shit happen, reminding us of the great man himself. I'll say it does seem like UAE is fading around Tadej as the stages unfold.

[@glywnniswells9480]

No one can beat Mercks records not ever in my opinion. 5 tdf 5 GdItalia the guy won classics world champs etc etc

[@SergioCristancho]

What if as they rise young the also down young... there are already examples but there are always analysis case by case... alaphilipe lost the 'edge ' when the 1st baby born... is easy to dismiss the fact that they are young and have nothing to lose... they enjoy and risk at the same time but what if they risk something... you can see that those if as a baby born make changes in pro cyclist... one day pog will have something that makes him on the spot of thinking and then is no longer edgy... just saying this can happen we can see this

[@pomegranitejason]

TP sleeps in a coffin at night, it's the only way to conserve energy, (his sucking the blood out of his competitors is another thing).

[@zvonkocafuta9989]

Pogacars nickname can be "The Pogromist." A "pogromist" is one who organizes a pogrom: an organized massacre of helpless people (cyclists)...ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...

[@Stevenafoe]

Eddie 3 times world champion vs pogi 0 …

[@asnark7115]

He'd have won two more TDFs i he could find somebody to teach him how to stage race. Al he does is try to win every stage, every day. All any team has to do is sign two riders who can challenge for podium, and then make him chase after alternating breaks. One of them will win the final yellow, and his "helper" will ride around and exhausted Pog with a day or three left to take second overall.

[@afpitbull60]

It's pronounced Tadej Poga Char, not Tadej po-gotcha

[@zaralundcy8884]

And in English? As Scott says it! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 and guess what? We all knows who he means! You try say Jonas Vingegaard 😂😂😂😂 only Dane’s says that correctly! But at least Scott tries! 🤣🤣🤣

[@tonyg3091]

No. He is pronouncing it correctly. Name comes from PogAcha which means a kind of bread.

[@zaralundcy8884]

@@tonyg3091 Did you just give Pogi his nickname’ the super cycling bread’ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣perhaps it’s I. The bread his cycling power?????🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@visevnik]

And Roglič means crossant in Slovenian. So both are conected with bread and bakery.​@@tonyg3091

[@samholder196]

a bit early for this

[@moopt7339]

Everyone has forgotten that Tadej's team boss is Mauro Gianetti

[@simonevanzetta9902]

why?

[@swissbiggy]

And Matxin as his personal coach..... Yep the same Matxin who "helped" Museeuw, Menchov, Ricco, Cobo Acebo, Piepoli and all those 100% dope free riders.

[@mdrlz]

oh fuck yeah Pogi. Three done

[@samsiesta8749]

Get off Eddie’s nutz! Merckx never rode mt bike or cross races, he may have been the greatest road racer but mvp is the greatest cyclist ever!

[@drewcama2488]

statistics big deal.

[@neilwheel]

It's a pity that those images of his victories early on in his career will be tainted thanks to those ridiculous mask mandates.

[@markrobgray]

Umm did we forget who won the TDF last year?

[@ShimmyD-u7g]

No, but this video wasn't about Jonas. Jonas only focuses on one thing, winning the Tour. Tadej wants more than that, and like Merckx he's out there winning nearly everything he enters. I think a lot of people would argue that if Tadej only focused on the Tour, Jonas would have no chance.

[@tonyg3091]

Which Classic did Jonas win to deserve a comparison to Merckx?

[@markrobgray]

Just saying, the way this video was presented and the words selected you would think last year's tour never happened. Sorry to upset you :)

[@boz086]

Eddie was juiced

[@swissbiggy]

And Pogi and his Saunier Duval teammates too... Just like the rest of the current peloton by the way... or are you realy so naive to think that anything did change 🤣🤣🤣

[@urbanjungle9600]

One monument i hope Pogi doesn’t matche is the amount of positive doping tests Merckx had. 4-0 so far to Merckx….. in fact at the comparable stage of their careers Merckx was already 1-0 on this shameful front. Their records would not be comparable as Merckx would have had a lifetime ban by today’s standards and he would not amassed anywhere near the number of victories his palmares shows. The arrogance Merckx still walks around with and the adulation organisers demonstrate when they roll out the old “doping dinosaur” is comical. Cycling will never truly heal until it addresses ALL its dirty past.

[@Nowayfrrrrrrr]

One thing I don’t understand is, why does Armstrong gets all his records deleted but Merckx kept all of them despite being tested positive, too? And to top that off, Armstrong is seen as a criminal in the cycling community and Merckx as a hero.

[@christopherludlam1602]

@@Nowayfrrrrrrrit’s a joke, same with Hinault and Co. Indurain goes well under the radar too…

[@Phat-rj3jo]

@@Nowayfrrrrrrreven Riis who came out and said he doped but still get to keep the TdF win. Armstrong was arrogant and treated people poorly, they just want to see him fall.

[@swissbiggy]

And Pogi and all the rest are doped too... Don't be so naive kid.

[@universesays1842]

pogacar firstly needs to be better than bernard hinault pogacar has failed 4 times at san remo which has 2 climbs at final kms a goos indicator that pogacar will never win roubaix which is flat race also pogacar doesn't win time trials too often

[@rohantayler560]

I wouldn't rule him out of roubaix. I think he has more chance of winning that than he does for MSR

[@jsfoster100]

His first Tour??

[@barrymonaghan6593]

Is he the on the juice?

[@PaulAngeloff]

Ha ha ha. What do you think ?

[@thart6103]

No.

[@PaulAngeloff]

@@thart6103 ha. You’re wrong

[@thart6103]

@@PaulAngeloff no, you’re wrong. Ha ha

[@PaulAngeloff]

@@thart6103 if you think any pro cyclist is not on the juice you’re a fool.

[@LokiMulle]

It is impossible to talk about any comparison with Merckx ? After the last stage 2024 we could not see a single drop of sweat from the face of Tadej, and he was as fresh as when the 2024 Tour de France began three weeks ago...all other riders looked like were about to die after the stage ....."it is the king's new clothes...it's invisible" ~ 7W pr. kilo 😇

[@markadamson969]

Mauro Gianetti's love child, of course there are parallels with Merckx, doping!