The Schools of the Power 2 Conferences in 2030 - COLLEGE FOOTBALL 2030, A Big Mountain Series, Ep. 4

The Big Mountain brings you their first series - COLLEGE FOOTBALL 2030.
EPISODE 4 - The Schools that will be a part of the Power 2 Conferences, the SEC and Big Ten.
Steve and JY look ahead to 2030 and which schools they believe will be added to the Power Conferences. They agree on several but also have a differing opinion on others.
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[@Doc_Boots]

If settlement of House vs NCAA for a player compensation model comes sooner than we think, this could play a huge role in how the ACC story plays out. Example: if a 20 million dollar a year cap opt in gets accepted, some ACC will programs will not want to reach for that cap and will want the conference to set a lower cap. Programs like FSU, Clemson, UNC, Miami will firmly push for the full cap to remain competitive with major college athletics programs. This drives yet another wedge into a conference that can’t appease both factions. Accept the maximum cap that many schools can’t keep up with or don’t want to….. or set the cap low and never compete in top level athletics.

[@davidbrown386]

I suspect FSU, Clemson, Miami and UNC will not be in the ACC for long. It will be interesting to see if all Big 10 and SEC go for the higher cap numbers ( especially Northwestern and Vanderbilt).

[@Doc_Boots]

Love the predictions

[@Suchatool98]

As a son of a MSU Alum, who lives in Va and is an Alum of a non-ACC Va school, I think the B10 if they only go to 20 schools will add FSU and maybe Notre Dame if they elect to end the ACC partnership for football. But, I would not be surprised if Fox allows them more. If that happens I think the B10 gets FSU, UNC, DUKE, and UVA. The four biggest brands from the ACC, two of the biggest Football brands, and three of the biggest Basketball brands. You have three flagship public universities in the state and a premier research university at Duke. The SEC component is interesting, I do see them going into NC and VA after getting Clemson but is dependent on what the B10 does. I can almost see NC State, Ga State, and Va Tech being candidates for B12 expansion rather than the SEC if the B10 doesn’t pick them up. The SEC picked Texas and Oklahoma out of the B12 because they were the two largest brands in the B12. If they do that after FSU goes to the B10, UNC and Clemson fit that build perfectly. With the B10 picking Maimi with FSU to dominate the state for the B10. Unless the b12 gets Maimi first. All in all, once FSU leaves, with someone else, it will be a mad scramble for the SEC to get to 18 if not 20 and the B12 to do the same with the best of the rest.

[@elvangulley3210]

you are crazy if you think the big just gets everything it wants and the sec will just take scraps sec comes before big 10 always has always will

[@tedm6567]

The 2023 Orange Bowl between Georgia and Florida State had 10.39 million viewers, which was the third-highest viewership of the bowl season. The game, which took place on December 30 at Hard Rock Stadium in Miami Gardens, Florida, also had the largest audience for any non-playoff Orange Bowl since 2017, when 11.3 million people watched the Wisconsin-Miami game.

[@thegravy42]

South Carolina is a small state but Clemson is in the Charlotte and Atlanta markets

[@davidbrown386]

Clemson is in Asheville as well

[@JerichoCrossDW88]

South Carolina gets knocked as a small TV market a lot, but if you actually look at the markets, they are doing just fine. Clemson is in the GVL/Spart/Ash/Anderson TV market. That is the #36 market in the nation (210 markets). Larger than markets such as Cincy, Milwaukee, Vegas, and Jacksonville. Just behind markets like Austin TX and Kansas City. On top of that, the population growth in the area is staggering.

[@Mr.Ed_Wayner]

B10 has the mid-Atlantic area with Maryland so UVA is not a priority. I would not be surprised if A&M ends up in the B1G by 2030.

[@user-bz6kq3dx6p]

Homers… I guess everyone has to have a dream. Stay with what you know MWC

[@ninRAIDER]

I agree that the SEC would almost certainly not want to expand past 20 schools and would value moving into NC and Virginia above all else. The Big 10, though, is a bigger question mark, and could potentially go past 20 schools, especially if it meant adding Notre Dame at a later point.

[@kingcoheed1208]

I think they will go to 40-60 schools, only the biggest Brands and Names in the country for the Power 1 cause I don't think the B1G and SEC will want to share anything with the G8. I think there will be a 40-60 Team Super League

[@MrOctoberWuf]

Here’s the other comment I have. If you are predicting the future (2030), do you have any prediction on if college football will split off from the other sports and everything else goes back to regional play? For example, does it make sense for USC/UCLA softball or women’s basketball or wrestling teams to travel to Penn St and Rutgers for a mid week game? Since many sports are regional in nature, does it make sense to have these large national conferences for non-football? Specifically, if Florida St does go to the Big 10, there would be no competition for their baseball or softball teams, which is not a high priority for Big 10 teams because it’s not warm in February up north. Conversely, Florida St has no ice hockey or lacrosse team to even compete in the Big 10.

[@Mr.Ed_Wayner]

Can you see both P2 with 20 teams playing 10 conference games? With schools staring added costs from paying players do we see P2 demanding 13 or 14 game season stating in week -,2 to raise more revenue? If all players getting paid, less of an excuse to expand schedule.

[@davidjorgensen8635]

I love the GTech option. I have been sayn the Yellowjackets to my friends. TV market, recruiting market, FSU partner. Major AAU school.

[@TheBigMountainPodcast]

👍

[@gabrielsoliz8563]

Two words: Antitrust Lawsuits. The SEC and Big Ten would face several Antitrust lawsuits in multiple states claiming collusion to create a monopoly now that college athletes can be considered employees. Without players gaining recognition for becoming employees as a result of House vs NCAA in relation to NIL compensation

[@goblue636]

Just simple consolidation = Big fish eats little fish 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@trick7884]

Mmmm, no. This has been going on for decades but still no antitrust issue.

[@jansonroberts2616]

Neither the B1G nor SEC are stopping anyone from competing in college athletics. There isn’t any anti trust from the conferences. There have been different divisions and adding another division or two doesn’t stop anyone from competing.

[@raulgdelgado753]

Do not sleep on Miami

[@gibwest4968]

Best take a second look at Ga. Tech as football is on the upswing and basketball is improving.

[@TheBigMountainPodcast]

Agree. Don’t sleep on GaTech!

[@stevemoserify]

HERP DERPPP!!!

[@MrOctoberWuf]

I think the Board of Governor’s would approve UNC to Big 10, if NC State could go to SEC as long as they continue to play each other like Florida-Florida State. Would be similar money wise. And both conferences would get into the state of NC. NC State has been a better football program the past couple of decades, which the SEC would value.

[@TheBigMountainPodcast]

It’s possible. A lot needs to work out for that to happen.

[@jansonroberts2616]

Nah, UNC is going to the SEC if and when they leave the ACC. Thats the only chance that NC State has to get into the SEC is with UNC.

[@DuckRon626]

The Big 10 at one time had 9 teams. From 1939 when the University of Chicago quit football, they only had 9 teams. In the early 50s, Michigan State join to make it back at 10 teams. Originally, it was called the Western Conference. Don't know when that changed, though. Just know that it was before my time. The Big XII was at one time, the Big 6. Then the Big 7 and Big 8. They became the Big XII after the Southwest Conference dissolved.

[@cfbplayoffedits]

I personally think it will be FSU/Miami to the B1G and Clemson/North Carolina are SEC bound.

[@kyllerkill]

Unc with basketball would rather be in the big ten.

[@hurricanehaze4727]

Who is the best dance partner with FSU, clearly it’s Miami. The rivalry, the location, the AAU status. SEC needs North Carolina with their best dance partner NC State. Then to make the numbers even with B1G they add Clemson and ICF

[@VBHokie]

13:11 University of Chicago most certainly has a football team. I know 3 brothers that have all gone there on football/academic scholarships.

[@TheBigMountainPodcast]

Thx for the correction. They came back in 1973 as a DIII program.

[@mikestanshillporter4425]

I do agree with Georgia Tech to the Big Ten with Miami and that would make 20. As a southerner, Clemson and FSU would make more sense in the SEC, that would make 18 for the SEC. Virginia and VT is a package deal, UNC, NC State is a package deal, but will the SEC go to 22 schools. So, Clemson and FSU might go to the big Ten, to make 20. Virginia and VT, UNC and NC State to SEC, and makes 20. And, Miami and Georgia Tech will be the odd men out.

[@TheBigMountainPodcast]

Your logic makes sense. The next several year could get interesting before things truly slow down.

[@claytongardinier5179]

I think Georgia Tech is a possibility. It is academically acceptable. It is in a great market (Atlanta). They have a great football tradition one that could be revived easily with the kind of money they would receive. Any other school, outside of Miami and UNC, would not impact the viewership numbers enough. I don't believe that Clemson's viewership numbers will hold up long term.

[@kennethmayner]

I think the Big Ten and SEC will likely go to 20 each. Seems like a good number and not as bloated as 24 would be. Florida State and Miami to the Big Ten and North Carolina, Duke (or NC State), Virginia and Kansas to the SEC. Kansas-Missouri is a great rivalry and the Jayhawks are investing heavily in their football program with new upgrades. The SEC can have the best of the old Big 12 consolidated within their conference (Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Kansas and Missouri). ESPN values the Duke-UNC rivalry and adds a new state to their conference. Having UNC, Duke, Kentucky and Kansas in their league makes them the best basketball conference. I think Clemson is the odd man out here due to SEC pushback from Georgia and South Carolina.

[@TheBigMountainPodcast]

Very interesting take here, especially with Clemson. Thx for the comment, as always.

[@kennethmayner]

@@TheBigMountainPodcastThanks! Always enjoy your takes and your podcast. As someone NC born and bred and a Penn State, ECU and Florida alum I will tell you UNC and NC State’s fanbase is wanting SEC and more culturally aligned. Plus the rivalries with South Carolina, Tennessee and Georgia would heat up as bordering state conference games.

[@tmac1325]

Zero chance the SEC doubles up on North Carolina and Virginia.

[@scrappinwolf220]

Clemson won't be left out...

[@burninghammerstudios7033]

UChicago DOES in fact have a football team, they are just D3 along with all their other sports

[@simon2077]

Don't quit your day jobs.

[@TheBigMountainPodcast]

Thx for the advice!

[@thatcollegefootballguy]

Unfortunately, I think the SEC only goes up to 18 since that is all ESPN will pay for. Virginia and Virginia Tech are a no-go right now in the SEC. If North Carolina and NC State or a package deal, enjoy playing in the ACC or the Big 12 because they won't take both of them either. The SEC's top two targets are Clemson and UNC. ESPN made it clear that they will not pay for the 9th game unless the SEC provides more inventory. So it should be interesting. Florida State going to the B1G is pretty much a no-brainer at this point. The only question is who will come in with them. I think UNC is a very strong candidate for that spot but I don't know how much they value Virginia. The next few years will definitely be interesting. We all we'll definitely have plenty of content to talk about over the next few years. 🤣

[@Scotty-thrive-tribe]

pretty sure virgina's draw brings DC/ virginia suburbs which are among the richest in the country so they can get the cable companies to be forced to carry it for everoyone and pay the live sports premium regardless of total viewership, at least for the early years

[@chrisg4931]

Do some research UVA is the # 3 brand school in DC market behind Md and VT.

[@claytongardinier5179]

Rutgers is a good example of the BIG 10 taking a school for its position in a large media market, to hell with the strength of their football program. Georgia Tech would be a great addition with its tradition.

[@TheBigMountainPodcast]

Thanks for the agreement!

[@Alan-lv9rw]

No one in NY cares about Rutgers, but NJ has a decent population on its own.

[@dantesinfernopurgatory7826]

Rutgers is trending up in Greg Schiano's 2nd stint similar to his first stint in the 2000s. It was their success during Greg Schiano's first stint which put them on the Big Ten's radar.

[@stevenvitte]

As far as conference realignment goes, the only sure things imo would be that Florida State is going to the B1G and North Carolina is going to the SEC. Those are as much of a lock as you can get. Up in the air is Clemson because their lack of action until recently may end up hurting them in some way, unless they have an agreement in place with the SEC. The B1G won't take Clemson. I think Miami would be a good addition to the B1G as it would solidify their position in the state of Florida, but I wonder if Miami has enough influence to get a deal done there. Otherwise, they'll probably end up in the Big XII. I'm not buying any of this talk about Kansas going to the SEC. I'm not seeing anything concrete concerning those talks, and until I do, I'm skeptical.

[@TheBigMountainPodcast]

Thx Steven. Great thoughts.

[@adamcompean9385]

​@TheBigMountainPodcast Hey, I'm hearing on social media news that the big12 are going to invite OSU & WSU to the Big12? That it coming very soon! Any truth to it?

[@michaelwall3393]

@@adamcompean9385no, that’s bull and a pipe dream as far as most people with decent knowledge know. Now going to ACC is highly possible.

[@adamcompean9385]

@michaelwall3393 Hate to tell you, but it was reported on Google social media yesterday. Time will tell if a pipe dream or the real truth!

[@TheBigMountainPodcast]

No new real news on that. Anything is possible.

[@immaculate5784]

You aren't the only one to say to folks to not sleep on the possibility of Georgia Tech. Just be prepared to be told over and over and over how wrong you are. That being said, you aren't wrong for talking about the value of Georgia Tech. If folks only judge it from a fan perspective then they won't get it. GT's research expenditures with the Department of the Army is equivalent by itself to the total research expenditures for Virginia. That alone rises well above Miami's entire research expenditures. For Big Ten business, GT is a huge gain. If FSU is enough for the Networks then GT is a much more enticing addition than most fans will admit. In my opinion, its either Miami or Georgia Tech.

[@TheBigMountainPodcast]

Those two certainly seem to make the most sense as a dancing partner. Thx for the comment.

[@kyllerkill]

Notre dame will be a big ten team by 2030. The only conference they would even consider joining in football is the big ten. They care too much about there rivalry’s. And pretty much all of them are in there.

[@TheBigMountainPodcast]

We appreciate your thoughts.

[@xmositoxc147]

It is only 22 for the B10 with Notre Dame. No chance at UVA, FSU, Miami, GT...

[@tomsmithdeal775]

LOL. A year from now, FSU will be in the B1G. Fox wants into the 3rd largest state. They are paying the B1G $8 billion to broadcast their games. An Ohio State-Florida State would be the national game of the week. Huge interest and very profitable.

[@xmositoxc147]

@tomsmithdeal775 50 years from now Florida will be under 💧 water... so maybe Miami isn't a good long term choice.... 🤔 That aside, if the SEC goes to 18, they get Clemson and UNC. If they go to 20, they get Clemson, UNC, NCSt and a Virginia School. I expect the Big to get FSU and Miami to 20, with ND and a San Fran School/Arizona/Colorado/Utah to 22. To at least have 5 schools west of Rockies

[@tomsmithdeal775]

@@xmositoxc147 In 50 years, Florida will have floating stadiums with boat slips for 50,00 boats of all sizes.

[@happynotredamefan3736]

No way they take Georgia tech they would take Miami first

[@mikehickmanvloggamessingin3604]

Really bad predictions. SEC is going to stay REGIONAL, and FOOTBALL, is the most important thing to the SEC, and getting the best FOOTBALL programs. For those reasons, SEC gets FSU, Clemson, and maybe Miami from ACC. Big 10 is more open to grabbing from almost anywhere. The Big 10 will probably get Virginia, North Carolina, Maybe Duke, and IF FSU, Clemson, Miami dont goto SEC, Big 10 would get any of those 3 if any of those 3 didnt goto SEC. Virginia Tech, Louisville, Georgia Tech, and maybe Duke, an or maybe Syracuse, an or maybe NC St, 3,4,5 of those probably goto Big 12, since Big 10, SEC dont want them, and since Big 12 would want them. After the SEC, Big 10, and Big 12, finish carving up ACC, the ACC would probably have Boston College, Wake Forest, maybe Syracuse, Maybe NC State, etc, left over, behind, and probably would have to either rebuild by taking UConn, Villanova, Xavier, Tulane, USF, Memphis, Depaul, or it would merge with a rebuilt PAC, with UConn, Villanova, Xavier, Tulane, Memphis, USF, Depaul, WSU, OSU, BSU, CAL, SDSU, Fresno St, UNLV, Airforce, CSU, Utah St, SMU, UTSA, NDSU, Boston College, Wake Forest, Syracuse, NC State, Gonzaga, St Mary's.(This is the only way that the PAC 2, ACC, could, can be a semi hybrid semi G5/Semi P4, in 4th place behind Big 10, SEC, Big 12, with about a 20 mil per team per year media deal, and 5 to 7 to 9 mil from CFP, 1 10-2, 11-1, 12-0 champ guaranted 1 of the 12 CFP spots, 1 January Bowl, Gator Bowl, Insight Bowl, Alamo Bowl, Holiday Bowl, Vegas Bowl, Sun Bowl, Copper Bowl. Also its going to be the P3, Power Conference 3, not the P2, Power Conference 2, in 5 years, by 2030. If it becomes the P2, Power 2, it would happen about 2033 to 2045. Something close to this is probably a logical, reasonable example, model, etc, of what the landscape will be in 2030.

[@lonnyrowden2630]

This topic is a challenge. The Big 10 and SEC has their styles and teams don’t always meet it. Politics affect things. I 100% think FSU is going to the Big 10. Miami is probably team 20. UNC and UVA should be Big 10, but I only hear SEC. The others are likely to be Clemson and NC State to make 20. FSU, UVA; and UNC have it all. Miami doesn’t have Big 10 size. Clemson doesn’t have Big 10 academics and research. The SEC doesn’t want Georgia Tech and the Big 10 doesn’t take teams 2nd in their market. The SEC isn’t going to take the northern teams and they’d take NC State and Virginia Tech before Louisville. Nobody wants Wake and Duke isn’t as wanted. I can see a Big 10 larger than 20, but not as much the SEC. The only way I see Clemson in the Big 10 is if the politicians in Virginia force the SEC to take both teams. Notre Dame will be Big 10 #21 at some point. I don’t think they stay there. Will it be 22 or 24? That’s when you look at other ACC teams. That’s when you consider Big 12 teams.

[@JoeyAugustine]

B1G Brand is the best conference!!!!!

[@brothermouzone1307]

You are over analyzing. Their partner would be Maryland. Rutgers is up the street. PSU is just a slide over.

[@adrianflemming1898]

Funny how this guy tried saying anything to fit his narrative of Clemson going to Big 10 no credibility at all

[@davidframe1613]

No way the SEC will dilute their conference with Virginia or North Carolina schools those are not football schools if the SEC ads teams is going to be Florida State Clemson Miami or Notre Dame and outside of that it would probably be Kansas or West Virginia that would fit best in the SEC. North Carolina and Virginia schools are more snobby and are not based on football doesn't fit the SEC but if they do add those schools that would be great for everyone else because now we can make fun of the SEC on how weak it is. 😂🤣

[@rogergoddard2153]

SEC is already diluted. It is called Vanderbilt.

[@davidbrown386]

Guys great show;: Why not Arizona State and Utah to the big 10 and Kansas and Oklahoma State to The SEC? Plus what about ND?

[@TheBigMountainPodcast]

More to come on ND in episode 5. We don’t feel Utah or AZST meet the criteria the big ten is looking for. Priority is to be further down the east coast.

[@jakenunya1587]

First bad take I've seen from you guys.

[@TheBigMountainPodcast]

Care to elaborate?

[@davidbrown386]

I am not big on Clemson for the Big 10. Why? They strike me as Nebraska part 2. Questionable academics and you wonder how good their football team will be post Dabo Sweeney.

[@trick7884]

So Oregon academics are OK, but Clemson academics (equivalent research to Oregon, better US News rank) is not? Not to mention equal/better football program, more populous states, better recruiting region, etc.

[@thegravy42]

First thing you’re wrong about is academics. Clemson ranks higher academically than several B1G schools. 2nd what school not in the power 2 brings more to the conference than Clemson?

[@davidbrown386]

1: ND. 2: FSU. 3: Utah.

[@jansonroberts2616]

Clemson will join the SEC if and when it leaves the ACC.