The Science of ADHD (with Kim Nieuwenhuis) | Sci Guys Podcast #80

This week Kim joins us as we give you the A to Z on ADHD...
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[@rebbyberard8150]

Rick riordan literally wrote Percy jackson for his son who has ADHD to make him feel special. It's an absolutely amazing representation of ADHD

[@Aikano9]

Percy Jackson is Harry Potter but better

[@froggyd8696]

Fun fact, I have ADHD and when read the book, I actually felt special

[@robuxyyyyyyyyyy4708]

@@Aikano9 That doesn't take much

[@jennifervasquez]

I will never understand why a majority of psychiatric facilities require ppl to make phone calls to make appointments it took me months to get myself to call to make my appointment to be able to get an anxiety diagnosis do these places not realize that most of the ppl theyre treating have trouble with making calls n also just the fact that its not accessible to deaf ppl

[@Harri_James]

@Personne Ici The issue with email is it's not seen as secure enough to be sending sensitive and confidential information (which all patient information is) I work in a hospital and you're not meant to send any patient or appointment information in an email unless it's encrypted. I think some departments try to get round this by intentionally putting in as little info as possible but even so that's technically a data breach.

[@RycoRyco]

Showed up 12 minutes late for very first appt and receptionist informed me there irony would be no appt, and that the Dr, supposedly an ADD specialized Psych, will not accept me as a patient now, because I didn't respect his valuable time. [me BLANK STARE]. [Her BITCHY STARE] "Yeah...you do understand that's what I'm here t rying0g to get help for?

[@saggguy7]

Psych places are so non-mental illness-friendly it’s absurd 😂 can we talk about how I was going to get treated for ADHD by a psych and showed up 5 mins late to an appointment, and got charged $90 for a late fee???? For showing a symptom of the condition that I’m coming here to be treated for???

[@GameFreak7744]

I just moved (for uni) and, along with an estimated 2-year waiting list, the local adult ADHD clinic sent me a whole mess of diagnostic forms to fill out before they'll take me on as a patient. Because a load of dull and anxiety-inducing forms that you've already had to fill out once before to get diagnosed in the first place is exactly what somebody with ADHD needs, and they _totally_ won't put off filling them in until roughly the heat death of the universe. It's mind boggling how bad at this shit they are. o.O

[@reloreo2899]

It really should be standard to have a messaging system for appointments anywhere. It's often more efficient as well as inclusive

[@KittyThaliaX23]

When I’m struggling with executive dysfunction, I usually throw something. Then I have to pick it up, and then the spell is broken. (That works about 60% of the time and is heavily dependent on what I threw)

[@skaryzgik]

Near the beginning there was a mention of the executive dysfunction affecting time sense. I know how time feels for me. But how does time work for neurotypical people? Luke had a very good observation about that tweeter not displaying theory of mind very well. It happens a lot also with people talking about autism. "Autistic people don't have good theory of mind. They can't tell that other people might be thinking or feeling things differently from themselves." But the experiences I've read from other autistic people sound like they are particularly *adept* at realizing that people have many contributing factors in how they do things, but the observers, and even researchers, completely fail to notice because *they* don't realize the contributing factors in how the autistic people react to the situations.

[@AnnekeOosterink]

Yeah, it kind of feels like (and this is pure speculation) they look at behaviour only? Like, an autistic person is unable to show empathy to another person in the typical way, say offering comfort with a hug, because they might not like physical touch, but they still feel empathy for the person they would like to comfort, they just don't really show it like the researchers might expect. Something like that, if that makes sense.

[@ryandthatsit6323]

~EggsEggutive dysfunction~

[@cathiehealey4608]

I was diagnosed in my 40's, but have clearly had it all my life....and it wasn't a case where I was hard to diagnose due to it presenting in more the inattentive, "dreamy, space cadet." I was the kid who couldn't sit still, couldn't be quiet, couldn't not blurt out whatever hit my brain, and lost my homework on the way to school so frequently my teachers just thought I was lying. But, back in the 70's, my teachers flat out told my parents (who didn't know a thing about ADHD) that if I was a boy, they would test be for ADHD...but girls didn't have it. So, they recommended that she just take me off processed sugar. Of course, that didn't impact my ADHD at all....it was just one more way that I felt like I was being punished, but I wasn't sure what I had done wrong. One thing that also happens is that if undiagnosed into adulthood, living with undiagnosed ADHD in a neurotypical world, leads to secondary depression and anxiety. Which makes sense, because without a diagnosis explaining that ADHD behaviors are a result neurobiology differences, a person is left to explaining these behaviors as character flaws (a point that is reinforced throughout childhood). Trying to constantly over-think everything in order to compensate for ADHD behaviors is exhausting (and for me resulted in anxiety in trying to compensate, and depression from my frequent failure at being able to compensate).

[@summers9647]

Are you guys sure you don’t have ADHD have been thinking this more and more with every episode I watch

[@SciGuys]

No spoilers 😉

[@rexaquaticis865]

Michael Phelps has severe ADHD, so does Brendon Urie

[@cez_is_typing]

I have a friend who has ADHD and the whole way through this video I kept thinking “she does that!” So here’s a list of things for people who don’t know someone with ADHD and don’t see how it manifests: - she watches all of her KZbin videos on 2x speed - shes addicted to monster energy - she colours in her fingers in marker when she’s bored - she sometimes just pierces her ears late at night when she’s bored - she gets stuck in hyper focus when doing XP farming on video games to the point where she’ll just do it for hours and hours - she has colour changing leds on her pc otherwise it’s too boring and she can’t focus - she barely does work in school, like ever, and then the day before she’ll just GO (we had 3 weeks to write a speech, and she left it last minute, and then just wrote 4 pages on capitalism within 2 hours) - she is 30 minutes late every day - she will stretch her back and just put her head on the table behind her and say hi to whoever’s behind her, doesn’t matter who it is - she HATES uniform rules, she will wear the right shoes to school but then change them half way through a lesson, then she’ll get told off, change into the right shoes, AND THEN change into the wrong shoes again, this happens 5 times in a school day (and that’s just shoes never mind her jackets and belts) - she changes conversation subjects like no one else But I wouldn’t have her any other way lol she’s one the sweetest funniest person I know and she’s great entertainment lol

[@Sam-rz4ix]

you just changed my life i didn't know you could listen on 2x speed. that's awesome now I can focus!!!!!

[@johnlee8667]

Does your friend have the hyperactive type?

[@pau8033]

Omg I felt so nostalgic of my school self 😭 I'd have my arms full of scribbles, I refused to wear the uniform how it was supposed to be, my hair was a MESS all the time I was super super late to every assignment 😂 I had fun tho

[@dakotawillman1347]

You practically described my boyfriend, his brother, and myself.

[@luxtobeyou]

we all share the same brain cell 😭😂

[@NOAHFINNCE]

KIM

[@MrGameManIsCool]

NOAH...?

[@watchingthebees]

Please do one episode on autism. I’m autistic myself and I’d love to hear your take on it

[@SindriMjolnir]

I got diagnosed with ADHD in the beginning of this summer and I’m 26. I had to go to a private clinic, and pay nearly a grand out of pocket, because the waiting list in the national system is 2-3 years! (In Iceland). The problem with being an adult with undiagnosed ADHD is that you have to figure out by yourself first that you have it and then pursue the diagnosis. And the only reason I eventually figured out I probably had ADHD was because the symptoms were so debilitating I couldn’t function. The lack of societal understanding and the pervasive inaccurate stereotype of what ADHD looks like, results in people like me who have to tumble all the way down into the well before realizing they need a rope to get up. And it’s difficult to call for help and be heard when you’re at the bottom of the well. And if that wasn’t cosmically unfair enough, we also have to deal with everyone and their mums dismissing and belittling our struggle (because they forgot their wallet at home last week “so surely everyone has a little bit of ADHD”). So thanks for covering the topic!💕 Especially in such depth and nuance. Hopefully it reaches some of the folks who tend to understand it as Can’t Sit Still Disorder.

[@dddgr7150]

Hey, I understand. Even though I was diagnosed at age 11 the misunderstanding about the disorder and the belittling of our struggles is so frustrating and heartbreaking. I've tried explaining so many times but no one I've tried to talk to who doesn't have ADHD understands how debilitating the symptoms can be at times. I understand and I know how you feel, I hope you get the help and support you deserve.

[@GameFreak7744]

I've grown more and more unhappy with the side effects of the methylphenidate that was originally prescribed when I was diagnosed with ADHD (as an adult, amazingly) and want to explore other options. Having moved since I was diagnosed, I asked my GP to refer to me to the local specialists. He literally said to me; 'oooh, I can't change your medicine, and referral will take a really long time. are you sure you want to bother?'. I pushed for it, and when I received a letter a little later from the local adult ADHD people, they said the estimated waiting time will be 24 months. To speak to somebody for 10 minutes about _trying_ a different prescription. So yeah... Not much better waiting times here in the UK. =P

[@threeofeight197]

It took me 5 years to get myself together enough to finally get treatment. All the hoops to jump through, layers of bureaucracy, appointments to make and keep…. If my adhd was any worse I would have never been treated. 😂😂😂😂. Oh and now we have the medication shortages in the USA so… yay! I get to go through it again, having to play phone tag w the dr and pharmacies to see who might have what dose where. If I could simply work in a farm it wouldn’t matter but that’s not the modern world.

[@NOAHFINNCE]

why shouldnt it be given to adults (that drug)

[@SourStephen3]

I love watching this episode back knowing the Corry and Luke don’t know that they have ADHD. It’s hilarious how obvious it is when you think about it watching this episode

[@carlhumanbcrab]

I have suspected I have autism or ADHD (or both) for a few years. On the occassions where I think maybe I am just making it up, I need to remember that I did not pay attention to this entire video because i was eating a donut and it was raining outside and then I got so caught up in the irony of this that I started trying to work out how regular people would have dealt with this situation

[@AnnekeOosterink]

Same, I recognise the hyperfocus of ADHD, and the inability to tell time (I had an hour to brush my teeth, and suddenly I had to leave 5 minutes ago and only 10 minutes had passed in my brain), but I also get the special interest, though mine tend to cycle a bit. I also get the, I know I need to do the thing, and I want to do the thing, I know I'll feel better once I've done the thing, it's very easy and quick to do the thing, why can't I just DO THE THING? All in all, I think it's quite likely I've got ADHD.

[@TheSelphir]

Me: Works in pharmacy Also me, after hearing the pronunciation of medications: You were close, at least...

[@deadlymelody27]

Yeah i work for a service that diagnoses and prescribes medication for adhd so i was feeljng the same throughout. Im in admin but i hear the pronunciations all the time.

[@TheSelphir]

@@deadlymelody27 Closer than my patients ever get it, lol. After hearing bad medication pronunciations for 6+ years, I've heard the worst of the worst in terms of patients trying to pronounce their own medication, lol

[@millie7928]

I dont mean to be *that person* but I have almost all of the symptoms of ADHD in both categories (and I have since I was a young child), but my parents won't let me get an assessment because they "don't want another problem child in the family" (this is because my younger brother has ADHD, ASD and OCD. and it's like they think me not having a diagnosis means I don't have it?)

[@cannonballlight4939]

How old are you? If you are of age and it’s possible to make an appointment then do so bc waiting on your parents’ approval is not worth it. Sometimes our parents don’t know what is best for us and we must take the initiative ourselves. It seems that they aren’t taking it as seriously as you would want to. I hope everything works out.

[@saggguy7]

the idea that it’s so hard to tease out what counts as “impairment” is so real. Because you can’t compare it to some kind of universa baseline, you have to compare it to what a person’s functioning would be like if the symptoms were not present. For example, I always got good grades in high school (mostly Bs) but my parents and I were constantly being told by teachers that I was capable of doing better. I understood the material as well as my classmates who were getting straight A’s, but I couldn’t hand anything in on time, my work was full of careless mistakes and I always missed huge chunks of lessons daydreaming. So even though there’s nothing wrong with a B average, for me it was a sign of impairment.

[@spookeddiesheep3649]

It can be so unhelpfully for all kinds of problems because for the people experiencing the impaired functioning this is how they normally function

[@tracysmith1871]

I thank you for this. My son was diagnosed at age 6(10 yrs ago). This explains so much. His doctor just gave prescription for a strong narcotic and only said his brain is wired wrong. So I wanted to say thanks and keep doing what you do.

[@mickeylecompte]

The talk of medication reminded me of the time my doctor prescribed me anti-depressants/anti-anxiety medication. But she messed up. She told me I was to take different amounts of it on different days, which made my mental health severely worse on some days, amazing on others, and then I’d go through withdrawal. When I brought that up to another doctor she looked so shocked lol, luckily I’m on a normal dose now

[@ecowo57]

I feel like depression is the opposite to ADHD in the terms of getting a diagnosis, because I'm underage and most people are surprised by me having struggled with depression already. Even my psychiatrist gave me a lecture saying that she didn't like to give pills to people if they don't really need them, and the clinic didn't even gave me an appointment at first because I'm underage. But after hearing my symptoms she said "ok, it sounds like you have depression"

[@alik9783]

me: ok i’ll finish this one video on parasocial relationships and then get back to homework *twenty minutes later* ooh i really like these sci guys, what other videos do they have? oh adhd! i’ve been wondering if i have that, maybe this will help me figure it out *one episode later* huh, hyperfocus. sounds relatab- omg it’s almost pitch black in my room i didn’t even notice. also when is dinner? damn i’m parched let me go refill my wate- oh what if i post a comment on this? that’d be pretty funny. ok i’m gonna go get water now

[@OhItsJustKim]

:)

[@aquiois3890]

Loved this podcast. Speaking on the 35m mark, literally every single addictive thing, i.e. any dopamine or norepinephrine producer (nicotine, alcohol, etc.) will be an ADHDers best friend lol. Anything that doesn't produce dopamine right away, we won't want to continue it (college). We're short on the neurotransmitters, and we spend our lives trying to compensate.

[@monicaherrera2224]

“The mouthfeel” made me think of contrapoints 😂😂

[@JG-jb3tg]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@kelseydeboer1136]

I mean, I don't feel like I have the inattentive type because I've ever been told to be quiet. In fact I don't think anyone ever told me to be quiet because I was a girl... I've just always been highly anxious about how the world sees me and highly distractible by people's faces (and social cues) when I, am speaking to them. So I didn't really speak much due to that and didn't want to bring attention to myself ever because I was afraid they'd notice. But gurl we been knew that I'm weird lol.

[@proximacentauri2684]

1:18:42 Oh my god, YES! I started methylphenidate on Tuesday and a recurrent thought is "how has everyone not completely self actualised if they spend every day feeling like, or close to like, this?" It almost irritating. You annoying people can be presented with a problem and just... solve it? Nuts.

[@soggyRATUwU]

Me: has adhd Also me: got addicted to cigarettes at 14 then dropped outve highschool and got into drugs outve impulsivity 🙈

[@mynameisnotmyname4733]

When I was 7 ish I was diagnosed with ADHD and took medication for a bit but after that my mom hid it that I had it from me. Growing up i would ask if I had it or something like that and she wouldn't answer me. So I didn't know I had ADHD now I'm 21 and finally starting to realize why things are so hard and when I get more money I'm hoping to go to the doctors and get re diagnosed? I just wanna say that this podcast has made me realize more things about ADHD and why I act like this so thank you🤣

[@danacherlin1863]

Hi guys about what Kim said towards the beginning of the podcast about adhd being disadvantageous to the individual but beneficial to the group hence it being passed down, I'm not sure that's correct. I have a masters degree in biology and we had many lectures about evolution and animal behaviour, traits don't get passed down because of the reason Kim stated. Group selection is a very outdated idea and has been proven wrong many times. It's because a "group" is not a unit of evolution, but rather genes are. So traits only get passed down if they're beneficial to the gene directly (aka helping the gene owner to survive/reproduce) or indirectly (aka helping kin, who likely have the gene, to survive/reproduce, hence behaviours such as kin altruism). This is called inclusive fitness. So, if adhd was beneficial in the past (there are other ways in which traits are conserved across generations but let's ignore that for now), e.g. if it made you a risk taker and therefore a better hunter, it might have been conserved in social species that form family oriented groups, groups that hunt with their kin. Such behaviour would have maybe been costly to the "adhd gene" owner but beneficial to their kin who likely had the gene too (maybe in a "recessive" form so they wouldn't actually take the risks themselves). The kin would then have a higher chance of survival and reproduction, and the gene copies that may have been carried by those kin would be passed on. It's the same idea as I've heard about the "gay gene" being passed on, when gay individuals stayed back and helped their parents raise the siblings, the gay gene would have benefited indirectly because the siblings would have a higher chance of survival and reproduction. Sorry for this biology rant, group selection just made the alarms in my brain go off. Tl;dr, group selection isn't a thing, if the adhd gene would have been costly to the individual with the gene, it would have had to be beneficial to it's kin in order to be passed down, not the population or the species as a whole. It's a small distinction but a very important one

[@chuttsh]

thank you, its very interesting

[@ConsciousAtoms]

I've recently been diagnosed with ADHD, thanks in no small part to Kim's videos. I've come to realize that I have been able to switch on my hyperfocus more or less on demand when doing an exam. That has come in really handy in school. However, in later life (I'm 45 years old) it has mostly been a hindrance, exams being noticeably absent in work environments, while planning and prioritizing (two things that I recognize exist as concepts, but with which I don't have much personal experience) are what is expected of you.

[@AnnekeOosterink]

I suspect I've got ADHD, I have the hyperfocus, (and the special interest, though mine tend to cycle), I have the inability to tell time, unless I set a lot of alarms (I should have left 5 minutes ago, but (what felt like) 10 minutes ago I still had 30 minutes left, how?) I have the issue with doing the thing, even if the thing is quick, and easy, and important, and time sensitive. I always wrote things like essays in uni hours before the deadline, which doesn't work so well when it comes to a thesis. I just didn't really have trouble in school, at least not in regards to understanding or doing the exams, mostly just the longer term deadlines, which did include the vocabulary lists you're supposed to study over a longer period, which I tried to cram into my head the night before the tests. So I was able to function in primary school and secondary school mostly, though I still remember crying and being stressed the day before a big report was due and not having anything finished several times. Anything that's on a long term planning, longer than a week or so, just does not compute for me. It just doesn't feel like it's severe enough? Like, I know it probably did impact my schooling, but I still graduated and went to college and got a BA, so did it really impact me? I was able to scrape a degree out of all of it in the end, right? So clearly I was able to push past it somehow. So did it really have a negative impact if I succeeded in the end? You know?

[@frizzyisdizzy]

Hi everyone! I've been listening to your podcast for a while now on youtube, and i really enjoy your topics and conversations. I'm listening from Germany. This topic was really interesting to me, as i have ADD myself. It was also really interesting to listen to Kim, because i could relate a lot to her and her experiences. I really enjoyed this episode! So stay positive and test negative everyone ❤

[@doughboi2145]

I love what you said about professionals being ignorant. I know way more about adhd then my old therapist lmao

[@a12i9]

Wow. I have another dysfunction that also influences my brain and I can relate to so much you guys are talking about! Like all the treatment is aimed at parents handling their children and nobody cares about adults handling their lives (which really doesn't make sense because every child will be a grown-up later and the brain won't just fix itself when becoming an adult), or what Kim said in the end that, in good days you get an idea of how normal people's brains work and you just think, if only I could be like that every day.. Thank you so much! I really wish medical and school systems will get better in treating people the way they need it.

[@sheenasapunkrocker]

What Cory talked about around the 37-minute mark is what I think is holding back scientific progress right now: the failure to search for patterns across the different disciplines. I feel that a true unification theory would encompass much more than an understanding of, say, the fundamental forces. Not sure I’m making sense but anyway that’s why I love this podcast so much!

[@jackfrostghosts]

Ur welcome I’ll try to keep the clouds raining 🌧

[@alik9783]

i was scrolling through the comments during the credits and guess when i decided to tune back in? lol

[@yasminsalih5119]

Who was here during the premiere ?

[@Strider181]

So this is obviously before your diagnosis. Welcome to the family friend.

[@georgiawoods6958]

genuinely thought Kim’s last name was a typo for a second then remembered - nope just Welsh :)) edit - most definitely Dutch but hey the point still stands

[@megan1169]

Nieuwenhuis is actually a Dutch name haha

[@somegeezer]

Dutch. Not enough Ys and Ls for Welsh. and the W is used wrong.

[@ConsciousAtoms]

Dutch. It means "new house" in Dutch.

[@CassySida]

15:00 ...okay well now i feel attacked for my procrastination in literally everything like "oh i hate to do this project that's due tomorrow well that's interesting because I'm gonna continue watching youtube"

[@AnnekeOosterink]

Oh boy, same, except with the important tax thing I NEED to do, and it has a deadline, and I know how to do it, and I know it shouldn't even take all that long, and I will be very happy and relieved once it's done. And yet, I haven't done it. It's not just the taxes thing, that's just the one on my mind right now.

[@berniegertje5358]

I was just recently diagnosed with ADHD, and I haven't ever heard of the Theory of Mind angle. This is exactly how I think, though. For example, I have been spending the last couple weeks thinking about and researching gender stuff, and before I really think about it, I just assume that most people have learned a lot of the same things I've just been processing. I feel like an asshole a lot of the time when I'm like, "Okay but this thing I've thinking about is obviously the most important issue, and obviously everybody else should be thinking about it," which I know is unreasonable when I step back a bit.

[@hanskraut2018]

The symthoms are idiotic. They focus on barely enought, superficial corrolational things, without seeming concerning. Its like you sympthom a person with a broken leg like this: Symthoms for *disruptive leg impulsivity disorder*: 1) Low motor output -Problems with balance. (Separated parents because of unbalanced upbringing is thought to play a role, research inconclusive.) -Agression, Mody, easily cryes (specially when given instructions or household tasks) -Fidgety and/or impatient when asked to stand still. -Often Ignores Instructions and lays down/sits in inappropriate times. -Wont leave room and stays in bed all day. 2) Overfixation -Loss of pleasure with a hyperarousal regarding topics of "bipedalism" etc. -Often tryes to redirect the conversation to his extremeties. (Often pertaining to one leg in rare cases both.) -Complains about body or is insecure or mistrustful of bodys abilitys. (Like playing basketball, going to school, jogging, walking, jumping around with other kids.) -Often fixated on topics related to legs and/or overly obsessed with legaments. -Severe cases can develop a lust to crawl on the floor using the arms as means to move forward letting the legs drag behind. (Therapys for this include incapacitating the arms so they can not be used for locomotion or positive selfafirming statements to improve victimmindset.) 3) Impulsivity -Screams in the middle of the night. -Starts randomly crying for no apparent reason or during daily activitys. -Spouts of increased energy and/or premanic euphoric states often acompanied by statements like: "I will go to the hospital!" "I crawl on my hands if it have to!" "You wont make me do walking exercises anymore." "I love casts or splints! I will immobilize my extremitys! hahaha" -Gets angry and fights. (Especially sport terachers, it is recommended to not talk about sports including the lower body section and avoid high coffe/sugar intake, since it might exaggerate the symthoms.) -Hysterical tantrums -Does not let other people finish, starts frantically pointing at lower body sections of screaming about ligaments. -Agression towards parents -Therapies include: ----------------------------- -Anger management. -To do list workshops -Meditative Focusing on the upper body (To shift fixation to other parts of the body.) -Talk therapy -CBT -Family Therapy Comment: People with *disruptive leg impulsivity disorder* have with balance and motor output. Altho they are not dangerous when startlet or after a lot of physical activity (that can trigger a hyperfixation on legs) they can get very moody and tearful up to a point of lashing out. Here a interview with a person affected: Joe: "I dont know why but i feel terrible while doing sport and I get angry and sad when i do simple house work like walking out to get the mail or stand and do the dishes." Andrew: "We all do Joe we all hate doing those. hahaha" "Joe, that is true. Its a disorder after all. haha........... :("

[@vickicollins3675]

I was a teacher for 30+ years. I easily recognized ADD, ADHD in my students. My oldest girl has ADD and Asperger's, but also qualified for the gifted program who wouldn't deal with her because of her ADD....my nephew has ADD. So here I am retired...I ve been married 8 years to a brilliant guy who is in his 70s. And it JUST hit me that his time and memory issues...are ADHD symptoms! He was never diagnosed. I can't believe I didn't see it before. Wow. He drinks gallons of coffee, but it never bothers his sleep. He's so disorganized..always losing things. Twice in the last week he ran out of gas...we live far from towns, so anytime we go to town we fill up. But I'm usually with him. Those two times I was not.

[@tacobell2009]

As someone with ADHD, the "theory of mind/object permanence" thing really pisses me off. Out of sight out of mind, is not the same thing as not having object permanence. I forget things due to becoming distracted, but I still know that those things exist in the world. If it were truly object impermanence, then you could just endlessly amaze ADHD people with peek-a-boo. We're not infants.

[@doughboi2145]

Lmao the not sticking to one topic thing is so true this is the tenth video about adhd I tried to get thru and the only one I've gotten this far in

[@itbechelsea]

After I was diagnosed I started seeing a psychiatrist for medication. I forgot one appointment. They told me I couldn’t be seen by them anymore because of that. So I couldn’t get medication to treat a problem in my brain that causes me to forget things, because I forgot something.

[@reloreo2899]

I have ADHD combined type. It is sometimes miserable but often useful. I am comfortable with my behaviors and cope with it well when in familiar settings. I run into issues when I am around people who are not familiar with me. I work in a hospital as a nursing assistant and my ADHD makes me really good at my job. The problem arises when people give me too many tasks at once. I do tasks well but if 3 people ask me to do like 6 different things within 10 minutes my brain just can't. People also get upset with me for forgetting small things which drives me nuts. If it's low on my priority list and will get done eventually I'm not going to stop a more important task to do it. I am nonbinary but am read as a woman at work. I definitely think people would react differently to my ADHD related behaviors if I was read as a man.

[@reloreo2899]

Oh and I also have major depressive disorder and generalized anxiety disorder. Which I suspect are directly tied to the ADHD and the challenges I have in society because of it. Thanks y'all for the insightful episode.

[@rexaquaticis865]

*Sci Guys talk about ADHD and nicotine* *Me, with ADHD and a half smoked cigarette between my fingers* "Well, fuck."

[@thomaskoll3675]

I use to drink exactly 2 cups of coffee( my dosage)! I am not a drug addict I actually don't have the addict gene! I use marijuana as a med for my PTSD and my anxiety! I am not addicted but I use it and I love that I can get out of bed in the morning!

[@GameFreak7744]

It'd be much easier to actually be sociopathic, because then you wouldn't need to be wracked with guilt and anxiety over potentially acting uncaring.

[@kristian4527]

As a ftm man with ADHD, I became more hyperactive after beginning testosterone

[@theowlhouseseason3213]

That's so cool I'm kinda on trans spectrum so do things feel different? Does sensory overload happen more usual than pre-T :0 I hope this makes sense I sometimes forget how to speak english properly

[@soakupthenoise]

52:31 and this is when i stopped listening. only someone that doesn't actually have ADHD would agree with this bullshit lol.

[@LanguageNerdsofia_]

I teach English, and once there was this boy who had been failing the first module for about 3 years. I asked him what was going on, told him he was very intelligent, and next thing I know, by the end of the trimester he passes the tests. I was about to throw a party if I could and deciced to tell his former teacher about his accomplishment. She said : "yeah, whatever... it's not like he'll be able to get to the third module, anyway". What chance does a kid stand with a teacher like that? I felt sick to my stomach.

[@Sillilesshells]

That’s really sad. I found out I had adhd and asd at the age of 24. I got called stupid by my teachers at school to the point where if I think about teachers as a general group, I feel my anxiety rising. I started self harming at 12 and even at 28, it’s the main reason why I have internalised so much shame. If I self harm, it always goes back to school. Teachers have such a big part to play in a child’s life and if you have both the power to demoralise or empower, choose to empower :)!

[@LanguageNerdsofia_]

@@Sillilesshells so sorry to hear that! It hurts me real bad, 'cause I believe that if you're bitter about being a teacher, there's a whole bunch of other professions you can have, even with a much better paycheck. I know there's a world of difference between knowing you are worth it and feeling worth it, but no teacher should be entitled to destroy a person's self-esteem, this is not your fault. Can't repeat that enough. I really hope you find a way through the pain, whatever way it is❤️

[@KittyThaliaX23]

Someone: is saying something Me: don’t interrupt them to say “And another thing about Pokémon...” Me: realize I said that aloud Me: “oops sorry i was having an internal dialogue and it accidentally became external

[@EC-vl1ru]

I tried to put this on to sleep coz sleeping with adhd is almost impossible without some sort of stimulation and everytime I drifted off they burst out laughing

[@thebluetornado6705]

When in the beginning when they read the symptoms of adhd and I got all the boxes right.

[@PowerSpirit50]

My parents never told me what I had, they just took me to be diagnosed and then told me to take the medicine they gave me. I found out I had ADHD through the internet, I found out I had autism through my mum off-handedly saying it, and I found out I had depression by reading the labels on the medicine. This comment, before I got sidetracked, was actually intended for me to say that when testing if I had ADHD as a kid they put me in front of a screen that showed a number or letter I had to press. I really tried but it eventually ended with me getting too bored to continue.

[@doughboi2145]

I also have ocd and a lot of things from my childhood that my parents attributed to it was actually adhd. Like distractibility and feeling really bad when I hurt ppls feelings

[@LanguageNerdsofia_]

"What is ADHD?": HIPERFOCUS. Then you can't pay attention to anything else and you can't really choose what you pay attention to. The name is quite misleading, actually.

[@dan5721]

The more I’ve found out about adhd in afab people the more I think I might have it. It just makes so much sense and explains things in my life that I’ve never found another explanation for.

[@sharkbites92]

One thing ppl don't realize about ADHD medication is you have withdrawal if you go off your medication as I am on day 2 of missing my adderall and have the shakes and headache among other things. While it helps a lot idk how good for the rest of my body meds are...

[@RisinBolger]

there are withdrawl effects from almost every medication if you take it long term. anti depressants for example. caffeine and nicotine. you cant put something in your body long term and expect to stop cold turkey and not experience some form of withdrawl. the question shouldn't be will this medication cause me to withdrawl when I stop using it, it should be will this medication improve my quality of life.

[@sharkbites92]

@@RisinBolger Yes that is a factor but Adderall will give you withdrawl after 2 days sometimes 1 of taking the minimum dosage. Its also considered an opiate here in the US and there are a large number of DRs that flat out refuse to prescribe it even if you have 5+ yrs of using it successfully and its well documented. At least with Adderall missing or not taking it is a bit more extreme than average. I fully agree that quality of life is top of the list, but I also don't want to shorten my lifespan if I don't have to.

[@vickicollins3675]

Try caffeine ( with NO sugar) works a lot like your meds...will slow your thoughts...

[@jh5401]

Psy Guys

[@hannahpickford6889]

Probably one of my favourite episodes, Kim was so informative and a great guest.

[@doughboi2145]

I really like what u said about adhd vs narcisist because I feel so bad sometimes about neglecting my partners needs or prioritizing my own and I feel like an asshole sometimes but it's just because I'm out of meds rn

[@RenetaScian]

ADHD-I seems to be missed in AMAB people often as well. This is especially true for trans and queer folks, just due to the overlap with ADHD like symptoms and traits associated with gender norms. I had a realization recently that a lot of things associated with feminine tropes and social norms (especially in anime and games) looks eerily like masking ADHD-I. Marin from Dress-up Darling comes to mind.

[@defygravityXD]

I’ve been experiencing ADHD symptoms lately and it’s been really frustrating bc I’m like 95% sure I don’t have ADHD. This episode helped me understand what kinds of OTHER things going on in my life rn (chronic depression, stress and overwork, lack of exercise) could be causing those same symptoms.

[@jessilovely]

ADHD here 🙋🏾‍♀ While listening to this, I was getting ready to go to Tesco, walked out the door, realised I had my massive water bottle, went back in to put it back, put MY KEYS on the table and proceeded to lock myself out 😭 now I’m waiting for my landlord to let me back in. And it’s a Sunday, the landLord’s day of rest…

[@hanskraut2018]

Very nice podcasts on adhd so far, relly impressed for your age. Not perfect but some things are very brilliant and hard complex points others bad/but mostly because i disagree/nuance /more information. So its at the information selection/amount of information read category. So sadly its very good. The examples also seem very euphemisic all the time. But idk its basically my demands/critisim are too hard the hole world seems to have just put so insanely little ressources into this adhd thing or most goes under or idk. Because imagine how much the world spends on decorations for new year/christmas/Uspecial events. And other stuff. That must be a insane amount of money. Idk. Hole society is built on the premise that if you always want stuff and if you put your mind to it you will go and get it, never is the base premise (baseline motivation/cognitive funcitons hidden behind some kinda wall?/drive/painsensitivity (like actually not feeling the pain/less instead its alway framed ALWAYS as: You feel the exact same pain when X happens 1 Person TAKES it and gets rich and 1 Persson cant handle it and is poor. (And noone will admit/have the awareness that they may have had pain but maybe less? Since when u drink alcohol or take adhd drugs you feel less pain depending on dose/idk what variables. Also SSRI (Why is that? It was supposed to only make me realize that hard work pays off (i knew that when i was 6 years old and could know anything i figured that shit out so extremly fast, also healthy eating, so noone can come to me and say i did not know if and i have not done it long enought or something) Generally everyone here made great poins (not always i felt like lots missing but getting the information and so on is so hard and time consuming id say, of course you could watch russel barkley lectures long no interview on youtube and everything under the sun and read the 1-4 biggest organisaiton/countrys adhd guidelines /european/american something like that or american psychiatric organisaiton idk. I think not even that maybe that stuff is just extremely slow. Anyway good job on much

[@hanskraut2018]

stop saying we forget everything and have such a great focus we forget to pee. How often is that? Its more like you suddenly have to pee with no warning and you cant plan for it at all. And you dont need to eat for a long time before you die so stop saying this. This mgiht happen to normal people too. At least for me it basically never/ultra rare happens. (I was so lazy that i did not go pee/i was finally interessted in X so i did not went to pee. Oh wow what a super power. No ur just not fucked in one Space for a short time, it seems to me.) Anyone else have this insane "I can work all day way more than most/all normal people and its "hyperfocus" i never meet a person like that with adhd ever ever EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER Just many people that say stuff since they have to say something and just guess something without saying its a guess.

[@hanskraut2018]

Still not such a good explanation of executive function, russel barkley phd that coind it explained it way more boardly and you missed a bunch of things. Social things totally ignored and motivation/gps/brain = jarvis ignored. You made it sounds like adhd people just have problems with impulses and too much happyness. But thats nothing that is totally not an issue compared to the motivation/brain not working issues. And the social stuff. Its hard to get its the brain after all. If you dont know something say there is a "?" or delay it til later. Hyperfocus is not proven according to barkley again. He sais it seems more like a problem to change it. And i (4 times diagnosed 29 y old adhd person say this:) seems to me like when ur brian works a bit like normal for a tiny bit. Its like our brains (severe) are so fucked but when they work normal you get a insane flow/flash/and think you are in a insane "hyperfocus" but its just ur focused. My brain on meds perfectly tiltrated was better than any "hyperfocus" i ever was. But yes "hyperfocus" on something you need to do (basically you do it and your brain abilitys seem turned on but you might or mgiht not have the same insane amount of discomfort) is usefull compared to not be able to do a task and feeling shit anyway.

[@hanskraut2018]

Dude i dont think school is the only problem for adhd people at least severe ones. Since if its only school then you have no problem in life, you are just as motivated in video games as other normal people (not happening if yes and you both played the same then id question something is off) also social relations, health, money, bussneess, just everything. More skick discomfort, brain not working. Like im better at youtube or games when my brain works and is organized. Or at least maybe if the world where perfect but thats true for everything. Lazy? Of what if the world where full of robots that did your work? well sure but thats not reality. And I seems to me that im so no fun in things/loss of pleasure/fun/emotions that are gona and all negative things that do not matter if im a t school or not. Like adhd peoples statistics outside of school are way worse and look like people that are fucked have no drive and take drugs of despair and do things of dispair. I think jay-z or idk who said it best: "Hurt people hurt people." Such a good quote So if we heal help hurt people the world should get better, also people pay and use taxes the better off they are the less they use (well not always) but the more they pay (pretty much always)

[@AndesMints94]

I was diagnosed with autism and ADHD at age 23, I'm 28 and was also diagnosed with bipolar disorder when I was in the hospital for emergency mental health reasons a couple years ago. I'm not exactly sure, I have a hard time trying to decipher if my problems are symptoms of ADHD, autism, bipolar disorder, or depression and anxiety.

[@threeofeight197]

There was ONE administrator in my public school time that asked me why I was always getting in trouble and believed me when I answered (I didn’t WANT to be trouble). I remember him to this day. He really made a difference. He would tell me to take it just one day at a time and be proud of those little steps. Before I met him I was so frustrated w school, I felt like I could never predict what behavior would set the different teachers off.

[@hanskraut2018]

The gorgeous lady made some great points - nice you all made great points jesus. unexpectantly smart observations with the broken leg required to clime up to the window analogy. I wonder why there are homeless when the treatment requires so much (like you dont know this but: the adhd treatment i did i had to stay on very unconfortable low dosages and very slowly test higher atomoxetine/strattera ones and it was abasically in a way mental torture so imagine people having to do that for years ) AND do all the papaerwork AND be informed since theere might be scam clinics out there and and and AND if you snap 1 time you are a drug abuser and can only get the shitty halv working medicine and when ur a nonresponder to that you will have ot become a drug addict diing on the streed homeless in a extra cold winter, and listen to people that speculate how lazy and "you wanted the pleasure instead of the hard work, you choose to die in a trash bin sleeping outside alone" You did it because you cant resist PLEASURE too much pleasure maybe we sould cut the pleasure part out of your brain?` No sir i think the problem is not enought pleasure and drive. Thanks tho.

[@ace_of_crows8041]

Soooo I grew up without knowing I had adhd...I knew I was a weird kid....but like I thought everyone has those struggles and I just suck at dealing with it But yeah no turns out people actually have a sense of time and don't experience problems with executive founction regularly Yeaaaaaahhhhh....

[@MaxxSuri76]

Corry: - mentions atomoxetin - Me: huh, that's the med I used to take. Let's hear what the possible side effect are. Corry: ... And some darker ones that we'll not mention in the podcast bevause they're too terrible. Me: well, f*ck

[@dakotawillman1347]

You are describing me lol XD I would hear something that was very light and I would instantly look over towards where the sound came from, I would answer things really fast, I read faster than everyone else in my class, I interrupted just about everyone, and I was always inpatient as hell so my mom started making me take my lunch to school (it didn't help the situation at ALL).

[@cathiehealey4608]

It's so frustrating that the medical community still says that folks with ADHD only need to use medication for school/work. In order to be diagnosed, there needs to be deficits in multiple life domains (so school/work is one domain, but home, or social life are other domains). So, to be diagnosed you need to have deficits in multiple arenas of your life, but we only need to be treated in school and work???

[@1weirdsister]

Excellent show! Thank you.

[@jessicaonymous4352]

4:38 I was running through symptoms with my therapist last week, and she gets to "often answers questions in class without being called on" and I immediately respond "well I didn't do that because I was a really shy kid but I have a tendency to try to finish people's sentences" and she responds "okay so I wasn't actually done reading, and it does continue on to say 'or finishes others sentences'" 😳guilty as charged

[@aspenolive]

"...And not just the fact that im secretly queer" I was wondering if her sweater is specifically the asexual flag or its just that colour scheme and I might have an answer now 😆

[@leesnyder1112]

1:04:34 idk how many times I've heard my mom say that and I'm glad my mom and I aren't the only ones who have thought about that. If all students are able to learn using a system that Neurodivergent and students with ADHD learn best with, why don't school systems start teaching that way?

[@melphillips1608]

You could call it attention dysregulation (hyperactivity) disorder. The acronym would still be the same, but the title could be more accurate. :)

[@luxtobeyou]

saw this episode while scrolling, went "ooo I bet that one will be interesting, lemme add that to the watch later list". then got distracted and forgot the episode existed in the first place 😂 fitting

[@thomaskoll3675]

All my teachers new I had adhd but it was the late 80s early 90s and mental health didn't exist! Lol God bless bad parents and inattentive teachers that just didnt want to get involved lol

[@popfiction5687]

This is absolutely the best discussion on ADHD I’ve ever heard. Thank you so much for doing this 🙏

[@Harri_James]

It's interesting that SNRIs are sometimes used for ADHD because I strongly believe I have ADHD and take a SNRI for depression and I do feel if I miss a dose or few (I very much struggle to regularly take meds) I do feel my attention is marketedly affected and I do d it much harder to concentrate

[@MarionFiedlerMusic]

Listening to this while doing my homework. Yes. Learned something new. thanks for sharing.

[@kreuzassrosenzweig4762]

“Scattered Brains” by Gabor Maté is my absolute go-to on this topic

[@bestwitch2931]

The prison thing is actually so sad. We are really out here failing people as a society

[@thomaskoll3675]

I was wondering why this works for me it's because you all have adhd! Lol

[@Roanmonster]

I gotta say, the part where you say "My kid feels shitty but at least they're quiet" is literally following the trope where ADHD is only this hyperactive kid and no other symptoms. Also, the list of side-effects is not a list of everything you will experience when taking this medication, which you should know as a biochemist Corey... :) It is very rare that someone will experience literally every side-effect and if they are they will probably be put on some different medication. Which are possible to take for other reasons than "I won't bother other people". Sorry I know you probably don't mean it like that but joking around it like that does enforce the idea that medication is pretty shitty overall (while it does help a lot of people)

[@SciGuys]

I’m on Ritalin & am incredibly vocal of its benefits

[@KittyThaliaX23]

My mom told me executive dysfunction was a made up internet problem so lazy teens didn’t have to do things :)

[@mickeylecompte]

This episode really helped me learn about ADHD! I had practically no information on it, and I know what it’s like to have a mental disorder that people don’t understand (it sucks). Thanks for another very important episode :)

[@nabilk46]

fantastic video it really spoke to me!

[@munaiverse7662]

we should rename ADHD BRS for brain regulation Selection

[@robertwarren1643]

Lol I can't believe you used Peter Jackson xD

[@cun7sathome]

My adhd i got to 3.37 on 1.50 speed.. ok bored... next vid

[@Dariusissocool]

Almost made it without a Harry Potter reference until 53:48

[@Kaltag2278]

I'm afab and didn't get an adhd diagnoses until this year at 30 yrs