The Science of Uterus Transplants & The Danish Girl (with NOAHFINNCE) | Sci Guys Podcast

Uterus transplants are on the verge of becoming a common surgery for cis women, but one of the first women to ever receive this kind of surgery wasn’t cis… The life of Lilli Elbe, one of the first women to receive gender affirming surgery, has been romanticised and repackaged as a tender tragedy - but her real story is far more interesting & upliftng.
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[@pigeonshit440]

Only getting to see the little tuft of hair on the side of corrys camera is so funny its like "ooh! Ooh! There he is! I can see him!!!"

[@littl3d0ll68]

It’s actually a bit annoying for me 😭

[@goshdoggett]

Now we need an episode on intersex people

[@charliev4156]

As an intersex person: yes please, we do

[@insomniceagle]

45:00 it's no accident that it's so difficult to find relyable sources on the exact procedures that were preformed at the hirschfeld institute. The nazis attacked the institute in may of 1933 and burned all their books, journals and records.

[@AnnekeOosterink]

Yeah, came here to say this. Everything from the institute was basically destroyed on purpose.

[@chubbybunny6975]

@Axt3 Why spamming a bunch of anger?? Still doesn't negate that their information could've been life-saving today.

[@jurrevanderwal4346]

yep

[@KnomChomper]

We can see Noah but he’s been banished from camera this episode.

[@if5248]

Noah's killing it with all his jokes and the rest doesn't even notice, nerding out over baby ovens

[@adamphilip1623]

😂 choked on my drink when Noah asked if abortions are xenophobic

[@theatrelover9920]

Mom said its my turn with the uterus

[@finnxrobbie]

I would donate my organs, because when I'm dead, I don't need them anymore🤷‍♂️

[@000tin9]

It’s so wild imagining where trans medicine would be now if Nazis didn’t shut down Mangus Hirschfeldt‘s institute in WW2 which was the leading Institute in the world back then researching gender and sexuality.

[@aliceche714]

💯💯💯

[@bestaqua23]

Yes it was kind of odd they didn't mention we know perfectly well what happened to the records :(

[@miriamlana833]

Not only that, today's TERF ideology is very similar to the Nuremberg Laws, they only would never admit that. TERF ideology is also legislated by today fascistoid regimes like Victor Orban in Hungary.

[@stefansnellgrove]

They didn’t just shut it down they burned the building down. I wonder that to maybe we could’ve lived our whole lives as our true genders and it not be an issue. That was in 1933 had they not burned it down heck trans girls could already be getting pregnant and trans guys getting girls (cis or trans) pregnant. We are already close to that now even with it being burned down so I believe it would already be here if they hadn’t burned it down.

[@chubbybunny6975]

@Axt3 Still doesn't negate the fact that Nazi's burned down a building with the most scientific information about transgender sexual reassignment surgeries, dude. If you tell people to shut up about history, then it'll be repeated. Rome burned down the Library of Alexandria in Egypt which was run by sexist religious folk but guess what? We would've been way more advanced medically had it still been around, doesn't matter who ran it.

[@drublossom468]

I like the analogy of the US as a tumor, but as someone living there, I dislike the idea of treating it with 'radiation'

[@regnhyld]

In this case, the tumor will be more likely to treat itself with intermutual cell degradation (which may not a real medical term, I just made it up) rather than be treated by outside influence...

[@renaigh]

Nuclear Energy might actually be good, but I get what you mean.

[@maxwellrobson8961]

can we just take a moment to appreciate corry’s marceline’s/princess bubblegum’s t-shirt

[@HeyItsEmilyLove]

Noah is absolutely wonderful. I love him. He really adds a lot to the episodes. I wish he was on every episode 💙

[@RexxyRobin]

Corry is looking very hot these days. Not that he was ever ugly or anything, but these recent episodes he's is just really handsome and radiating confidence

[@soren.greenie.2024]

You should've like 😂 put a mystery shadow man with a question mark face everytime it was supposed to be Noah until his camera worked, lmao

[@madhatterline]

Fyi I was recently reading a article about the first baby born after a uterus transplant in France. And it mentioned over 20 babies in total have now been born after uterus transplants 🤗 some of these mothers who have had transplants have even gone on to have a second baby. 💗

[@miriamlana833]

That were all young cis women with MRKH or other diseases where the womb lacks from birth or is lost but with own ovaries afaik. On TERF channes is often said on amabs that would be impossible because of the lack of the "natural pregnancy steering system" in brain and ovaries. Is that true, and how could this "system" be replaced?

[@ThylineTheGay]

@@miriamlana833 If it's from a TERF it's probably misinformation.

[@alexlefay]

@@ThylineTheGay sadly for you, it's not misinformation: the uterus alone has 8.000 blood vessels, female hips are different from males so we don't get maimed by pregnancy, our organs are designed to move so they don't crush under the pressure... Sorry a couple of pills won't make that possible for men to get a pregnancy to term. And that's only on body structure level. Go and find out what happens to both mom and baby during the 9 months and get sad because the evil TERFs were speaking the truth.

[@ThylineTheGay]

@@alexlefay ok F.A.R.T

[@FM-er6xy]

@@miriamlana833 tbh thats so odd?? Most changes in the brain during pregnancy are exclusively produced by hormones, its not an inate structure

[@queenbee3249]

this episode was super interesting and I give is a 5 star review

[@kristian4527]

Hank Green made a song about that kidney thas was in 3 people. I has actually been in 4 people, it was also in the original person's mother. in pregnancy

[@lit2021]

Luke's question on AIS in XX people is actually a really good one. I know of some trans men who take testosterone and it barely affects them.

[@timetravelsnail7198]

"i will cross your bridge, troll" is my new favourite phrase

[@oceanstaiga5928]

When you think about transplants it’s crazy cause my grandma died shortly before kidney transplants were possible and she would have survived with one. It’s so close in time where transplants started and now we can transplant so many organs and limbs even!

[@2small4theMall]

i'm up for donating organs, but i do think sometimes, what if my heart ends up in a terrible person and i prolong a life that causes others pain? very weird ethically

[@madhatterline]

Well you're more likely to help a good, or just normal person that a particularly bad person. You could be concerned that your organs could help someone bad who'd cause pain, but what if they helped someone good who went on to help many people like a doctor, nurse, teacher, charity worker 🙃👌 I tend to find that people who've been through a lot personally, such as sickness, struggles, the need for a transplant, ect tend to be more empathetic people anyway. They don't take things for granted as much, they know how hard life can be, because they have lived in themselves. People who've had it easy can sometimes struggle with their ability to emphasise. In anycase, despite what the news tells us, as bad news draws more interest & make more money, most people are good on a individual level. An article I was reading by Psychology Today found that overall people tend to be good on a one to one level, making sacrifices for family or friends ect. Most of us are not perfect, we make mistakes, but we try our best for the people we care about. But people are not always good or empathetic in groups, ie when we lump ourselves into tribe mentality & pit ourselves against each other. This can give us an overall more negative outlook of other human beings, when on an individual level people are probably ok if you got to know them. There's also the fact you could help someone who is just am ok human being, but in saving them you also save their family a lot of pain, perhaps even financial hardship. And if their family is in less pain they are less likely to go out, be irrational, & cause pain to others. 💁🏼‍♀️

[@charliekelly]

@@madhatterline This is such a sweet comment that has genuinely made my day brighter. Thank you :)

[@solsystem1342]

Do you think that more then half of people are terrible? Then perhaps we could consider the ramifications. However, I think saving (potentially) multiple lives is well worth the risk that one of them might hypothetically be bad. That still doesn't mean I want them to die either. There shouldn't be a test to see if you deserve to live (imo).

[@charlottedavis9036]

I would donate my organs because why not, I’m not using them anymore :)

[@livemoller792]

I think That makes sence, but realistically it wouldn’t be the person I am now in the body I have now. I don’t know how I’ll feel about as an old person, I think it would be weird if my perspective doesn’t change in my lifetime

[@heteranthera3473]

I would donate my organs, when I die. If I have a deadly accident, I don't need any of my body and would be happy if it saved someones life or makes it easier. I even have a card in my wallet which allows it explicitly (you need this in Germany, otherwise it isn't allowed to take any of your organs. You can even write on it, which organs you don't want to donate).

[@miriamlana833]

Organspenderausweis :-)

[@generatoralignmentdevalue]

You can specify? In the US, it's all organs or no organs. At least in my state, donors have a heart icon on our state IDs, and that's it.

[@oceanstaiga5928]

I’ve got two spleens. Basically a part is separate from the rest so I’d call it a split spleen but who am I to name this. Always, I feel bad for the ultrasound technician when they are all happy telling me “did you know…? You have two spleens!” And I have to disappoint them like yup I knew and the next thing you’ll tell me I know too. Had too many ultrasounds done in my life I know all the spoilers of what they’ll find :’)

[@maddiedoesntkno]

I’ve got 3 kidneys, and the experience is much the same

[@jessicawood4112]

Behind the Bastards does a super indepth episode about the surgery themselves. Highly reccomend!

[@renaigh]

in the context of Medical Science, the Ancient Egyptian custom of putting organs and jars and preserving bodies makes a lot of sense.

[@renaigh]

Anubis "God of the Dead" worked in the Morgue.

[@CamCamCamCamCamCamCamCamCammmm]

Heirloom Luke? I think you mean, heirwomb.

[@beyedoc]

I saw a documentary from UPenn doing uterus transplants for fertility treatment. The biggest problem would be the immunosuppresants the mother has to take, a successful in vitro fertilization, the fetus getting to a viable age without causing issues with the mother's health, then C-section, then eventually a hysterectomy so the mother will not have to be on all the immunosuppressants and blood thinners and generally massive health risks.

[@JuMixBoox]

I cannot imagine the rage at having period pains from an organ that I went through surgery and medication to get and whose hormonal cycle doesn't even give me an egg.

[@trashyylevi]

This episode is both informative and incredibly unhinged xD top tier content

[@Emiryb101]

Love this podcast! So educational while being soooooo entertaining 😆

[@veronikavonsovska53]

13:17 Moravia is a part of the Czech republic, but back in 1905 it was a part of the Austro-Hungarian empire😉

[@spiritedsodamnfaraway]

I was so overjoyed to hear it mentioned, barely ever happens

[@generatoralignmentdevalue]

Lots of comments saying "I WOULD donate my organs" like, if we imagine a world where that's possible, you hypothetically don't mind it. Check your ID. Are you or are you not an organ donor?

[@JennaGetsCreative]

Only people who've never given birth would dedicate so much time to casually talking about inserting and removing food items from the uterus 🤣 Are we forgetting that if you don't want to surgically remove something from the uterus, the cervix has to thin and expand? That's the part of labour that hurts so much!

[@qua03able]

i would for sure donate them. they're somewhat rusty, but hey, it's the gesture that counts asdfhlfktj

[@lin6984]

omg noah popped out towards the end of the episode and ot was so weird hdhhashhadh because we could only see a bit of his hair for most of the vid

[@maxofb7745]

And you have to connect the kidney to its outlet so the filtrate can get out and not accumulate in the kidney xD Just a side note :P

[@chelled.4622]

Awww Noah needs a better prize :(

[@Jessnorlax]

I listen to this podcast while playing My Time at Portia and let me tell you its a real vibe 🌝

[@leos_act]

Loved the episode 💕😁

[@lugarto2053]

Can you talk about psychological pregnancies? I find them really interesting

[@kycrush8657]

I've never been healthy so I don't think that's recommended, unless its a familial match(e.i: bone marrow or liver). Hate needles though. I'd totally be okay with donating tissue/cells and DNA to science after death. Topic suggestion: all the newer ways to dispose of remains, from mushroom caskets for easier decomposition to flash frozen, shaken into frozen dust and magnetised to get all the metals out, and more.

[@veganagev2062]

Love this podcast

[@adamphilip1623]

100%, once I'm dead I'm not using my body any more, if it can be of use to anyone else, good, chop it up. Might even look into donating the remainder to science.

[@thiel_spencer]

Would I donate my organs after I die? Hell yeah! What's the use of them rotting in my corpse when they could be chilling in someone else?

[@sza_lvrrr]

bruh if uteruses are that small how does so much blood come out of it

[@chubbybunny6975]

Yes, I'm donating my organs when I die, all of me is getting donated if it's needed! I'll be dead, I won't need any of it lol

[@theafterhoursshowwithmax]

I would love to donate my uterus. Like, please someone else take this away!!!

[@catT5236]

I've been told I'm not allowed to donate my organs or give blood because I have an autoimmune illness.

[@angelawossname]

I know I can't donate blood but I didn't know I couldn't donate my organs. My dad and uncle had their lives significantly extended due to organ donations, I wouldn't have even remembered my dad if he hadn't had two of them. My aunty is still alive due to organ donation. I've known for years my kidneys probably wouldn't be suitable, but I didn't know none of my organs would be useful. I'm literally crying now. Seriously fuck my auto immune disease for Fucking with my body even after I'm dead.

[@anna_in_aotearoa3166]

I feel ya! 😢 Would love to donate my organs after death to help improve quality of life for other people if I could, but I strongly suspect the auto-immune conditions block would apply for me too?

[@catT5236]

It's what I was told by the endocrinologist I had at the time, but I don't know if it's the same for other countries or even if it's specific to my autoimmune illness. So I'd check with whatever specialist manages yours just in case. Mine is hormone related so I guess it can affect other organs, which is probably why they shut down without treatment. Just brace yourself for the possibility that it's a checklist thing: if you check the autoimmune illness box you're automatically disqualified.

[@bobguy3939]

Four minutes in and I'm wondering how I can donate my uterus

[@holdyouunder]

i’d donate my organs as long as i’m really dead. i don’t need them anymore, why would i keep them?

[@lin6984]

I would donate organs I think. I have to think more about it, but up until now I couldn't find a good enough reason (for me personally) not to Like, I get the mistrust for doctors, but if I'm already dying, it doesn't matter to me wheter they do less or more effort to keep me alive

[@lina_linguist]

Me: Can we all just be healthy cells? Including America, Europe and Russia? 😢 *sees some political news* Me: Oh, no we can't 🙄

[@TheEnbyDragon]

Alot of the transgender research was quite specifically burned during WW2 because we didn't fit Hitler's "master race" idea, so that's why a lot of the information is hard to find now

[@greyv9107]

im donating my organs after i die cause im dead i dont need em :)

[@kittyinacloud8101]

I did not know my uterus was that tiny

[@PChuu22]

"Uterine baked potato." Ah, yes. Just like Mom used to make.

[@ShiningStar396]

I did some research and it could be possible for someone with XX chromosomes to have AIS. It's inherited from the X chromosome. So if you have one X chromosome with the AIS gene and one without you'd be a carrier but if you had two AIS genes it could be possible.

[@finnilyenough]

I'm trans guy and a universal donor and I have a friend who wants a uterus. I literally told her last week she was welcome to it if it ever becomes an option.

[@stefansnellgrove]

Is she trans too

[@finnilyenough]

@@stefansnellgrove yes. She's really lovely and wants to carry her own children 😊

[@stefansnellgrove]

@@finnilyenough I’m a trans girl and same as early as like 4 or 5 I’d put a balloon towel ball anything round or could be made round to make it look like I was pregnant and when my younger sister was born when I was 5 turning 6 3 months later I acted as if she was my baby.

[@morgan0]

can y’all look into DMRT-1 for a future episode? it’s a gene that controls sex differentiation and a possible way for people to transition in the future with needing to supplement hormones

[@mispaul1693]

I would actually like to donate my organs if I can help make some life better or help save some life why not...

[@johnthebump]

Sidenote about the invention of cars...the first Electric cars were invented...and used....in the late *1800s!*....1/3rd of all cars in the early 1900s....were Electric Powered Vehicles......🤔🧐

[@rosegriffin2038]

i would donate my organs (if they were healthy at the time that i died) . here are the reasons: 1. i wont need them anymore 2. somone is out there needing a liver? give them mine (i know its not that simple, just some humor) and those are all the reasons i could think of in 1 minute

[@acutelyalex8700]

Wow this episode went so far off the rails lol

[@maxofb7745]

WE'RE NOT ALL CALLED HANS!! :(

[@freyialilian]

Why is there no video cuts to Noah haha

[@doublehuman94]

Kidneys! Plug and play 18:46

[@theodorec.4268]

I'm a trans man, I'd donate my uterus now. If a trans girl was a genetic match I'd give her mine in a heartbeat. We both win in this situation.

[@mrigaankamuch]

regarding luke's question at around 32:00 , in XX females, one of the 2 X-chromosomes is naturally switched off because the body only needs one, so i think that just one of the two X chromosomes is enough to produce female hormones and sexual characters?

[@saggguy7]

this is interesting because people who have turner syndrome (only one x chromosome or missing part of one) develop somewhat differently than people with two full x chromosomes. I wonder why that happens if you only need one.

[@mrigaankamuch]

@@saggguy7 that's true! Somewhat similar (but quite different) is klinefelter syndrome, in case you want to read about it :)

[@mrigaankamuch]

@Axt3 hey thanks for pointing this out i don't know how it slipped my mind :) time to get back to the books hehe

[@AliceHoftell]

you be surprised how much the world was very Progressive at the time of Lily it wasn't until a certain Mustachio fellow having a bonfire halted a lot of This research and sentiments towards trans people we probably would have actually been farther along if that section of time did not exist

[@pourmeaglassofmalkk]

i probably won't donate my organs because they would be donated if i didn't say no before dying. to me the body is sacred and only to be controlled by my mind. i would gladly donate organs while alive of course. that being said does anyone want my uterus it is very healthy it just gives me dysphoria a good chunk of the time

[@candycos7941]

I would donate my organs but idk they are kinda well I have a lot of health complications

[@flamingkitten1]

Yeah I am an organ donor I'm not sure if my organ will still be any good buuuut if you can you use them have em

[@FireTurkey]

I'm American, I agree.

[@stephanie5293]

Why would i not donate my organs after i die

[@stephanie5293]

Actually, reason why someone would not be an organ donor, my black friend told me that some black people dont want to be organ donors because they feel the doctors will not try to save their life as much in the emergency room

[@madhatterline]

Yes this is true, a recent survey by multimeter found, the most common reasons cited for not wanting to donate organs were mistrust (of doctors, hospitals, and the organ allocation system), a belief in a black market for organs in the United States, and deservingness issues (that one's organs would go to someone who brought on his or her own illness, or who could be a "bad person"). One of the most surprising findings is that religion is offered far more often as a rationale for wanting to help sick people through organ donation than it was for not wanting to donate organs. 💁🏼‍♀️

[@rubberchicken1219]

I know in Japan organ donating is pretty taboo. You can't go to afterlife if you don't have a complete organ

[@anna_in_aotearoa3166]

Religious reasons do come to mind, but another one I do wonder about is the patenting of DNA sequences? This has been around for a while but seems to be becoming a lot more common for medical biotechnology firms, and I'm dubious about the ethics of a corporation owning part of a person? Particularly after they are dead and can have no further say in how it is used? 😕

[@ProbablyEzra]

Organ question:Yes, cause why not? I won't be using the body anymore, so I don't really care what peeps do with it, whether that's for medical purposes or for any other purpose. Only restriction I'd put on it would be for sexual purposes, and that'd still be on the table if it was cleared with the specific person before I died.

[@kayleigh1991]

Five star review

[@lee_1238]

wtf im 10 mins in and i still havent seen noah stop gatekeeping noah

[@ontherocks9097]

A nice wee comment 😁

[@patmccarthy7907]

no, theyre mine, im donation yours

[@charliebuxton5020]

uh yeah probably, I wouldn't need them anymore - question in the beginning

[@etheplant]

I mean why not, i don't need them anymore then lol

[@morgan0]

i don’t have a uterus but if i did i’d donate it

[@noname-dk3wi]

Noah is nowhere to b seen in this episode bahahaha

[@stephanie5293]

Lol literally, the thumbnail is false advertising

[@freyialilian]

You missed out on a great pun!!!!! Heirwomb!!!

[@timetravelsnail7198]

i'm on donationsregistret, an organ donor list in sweden! :) You can sign up your kids to it when they're under 15 and then people 15 or older can sign themselves up. it takes about 5 minutes and you never have to think about it again, what were you going to do with your organs after you've died anyway?? Better to potentially save multiple people's lives than to bring all your pieces to the ground with you

[@Vixey_Bean]

Yes because I won’t be needing them as much as a living person will

[@JetGirl508]

Difficult to find science papers? Its almost like someone burned all of them...

[@Letmebecringe]

I plan on donating my organs. I don’t need them lol, and they could science or people.

[@ljones3487]

Trans rights were actually pretty good pre 1950s, well, less bad. Ewan Forbes story is a really interesting look at how and when it changed in the UK.

[@emythomas6844]

I want to donate my body to science

[@orieday6459]

How dare they call Noah the fourth sci guy

[@orieday6459]

He is the fifth

[@leos_act]

💕

[@bill11097]

Yes would donate my organs. I don't need them when I'm dead

[@idna832]

holy shit the marceline shirt is so sick

[@girliestmammy]

💖

[@fuchsadler]

Sure would donate my organs if I die, I'm dead then, so there's no use for me keeping them, is there? And it might help other people, which is a nice side effect

[@islabuck121]

I would donate my organs if I died. Because they’re not gonna help me if I’m dead so may aswell help someone else.

[@Fern_Tull]

I can't see Noah's face and it's killing/annoying me

[@iqnoodles7969]

yes because i can be useful dead