The Scuttling of Toulon: The French Navy's Desperate Act I SLICE HISTORY | FULL DOCUMENTARY

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@theblackbear211
@theblackbear211 4 ай бұрын
A desperate and sad end. No sailor wants to scuttle his ship. An impossible situation - with no good choices.
@hazchemel
@hazchemel 5 ай бұрын
The veteran sailors were fantastic, charming. Thanks
@rdbchase
@rdbchase 4 ай бұрын
"Sculting" is not a word.
@jokodihaynes419
@jokodihaynes419 5 ай бұрын
Charles de Gaulle had trouble trying to get French soldiers to fight for him because the British attack on french ships
@chrislambert9435
@chrislambert9435 4 ай бұрын
The French Fleet were collaborationists
@felix25ize
@felix25ize 4 ай бұрын
@@chrislambert9435 Ils ne voulaient seulement pas avoir à choisir entre des ennemis "loyaux" et des "amis" qui les avaient déjà trahis (Mers el Kébir ). Ils n'étaient pas collaborateurs, mais attentistes, sur la touche , et n'en faisaient que le minimum pour éviter des représailles allemandes. Leur position n'était pas facile, c'est le moins que l'on puisse en dire ...
@chrislambert9435
@chrislambert9435 4 ай бұрын
@@felix25ize I believe they were collaborationists
@chrislambert9435
@chrislambert9435 4 ай бұрын
@@felix25ize The Senior Leaders of The French Navy collaborated with Nazi-goals, in as much as they helped The Nazis by preventing the French Navy being used to defeat the German-Nazi-State
@felix25ize
@felix25ize 4 ай бұрын
@@chrislambert9435 Well, if you think it. But I believe that it was not so simple. Put yourself at their place, what would you have done ?
@ailleurd
@ailleurd 4 ай бұрын
The french Navy should have to join the allied. It was the most strongest Navy . As a french I have never understand such stupid decision. There is a rivality between french Navy and British Navy but sometimes it's necessary to over this eternal strike. Vive la France et vive la Grande Bretagne !
@alexandregamb
@alexandregamb 4 ай бұрын
Arrête avec ton vive la Grande bretagne. Ils nous ont lâché sur la bataille de France et on tué des marins au port dans une exécution non nécessaire en Algerie. Maintenant si tu ne comprends pas pourquoi les bateaux Français sont restés en France le problème vient de toi. Les anglais n'en ont rien a faire des Français.. et les bateaux Français sont la pour accompagné les intérêts Français.. mais imagine ce qui aurait pu arrivé aux familles des marins si ces derniers étaient partis se battre.. alors que l'armistice était signée... facile des décennies plus tard de léché les trucs des anglais comme tu le fais et ne pas tenir compte des risques que ces hommes courraient.
@williamdodds1394
@williamdodds1394 Ай бұрын
Correct they should have joined the brits then these ships would have been used to further the war effort and when victory came formed the french navy again.
@yusufturner1971
@yusufturner1971 5 ай бұрын
Great content thank you! 👍🏽 But please amend your title to show "Scuttling" not "Sculting!" Kind regards 🙏🏼👏🏼💪🏼
@chrislambert9435
@chrislambert9435 4 ай бұрын
It should say Sulking because thats all the French really did
@chrislambert9435
@chrislambert9435 4 ай бұрын
The French Navy should have joined the British Royal Navy in June 1940
@arnaudcasalis4072
@arnaudcasalis4072 4 ай бұрын
Voir mon commentaire
@Jean-PhilippeDesbordes
@Jean-PhilippeDesbordes 4 ай бұрын
mers el kébir...
@alexandregamb
@alexandregamb 4 ай бұрын
The British had already left the french in the battle of France... The french navy is not the british navy. If the british wanted the french to fight for them.. they should have done better against the germans.. and not run to their island when the battle start to be difficult. Anyway, when you look at all the insult from the british against the french now.. why should we imagine joigning each other? It doesn't make sense.
@chrislambert9435
@chrislambert9435 4 ай бұрын
@@alexandregamb The British Army was the only ones that did a counter attack against German tanks in the battle for french soil, they did this at Arras. Why was it that no so-called mobile French troops did a counter attack on German Tanks ? The French allowed the German Tanks to drive through the Ardennes unopposed
@alexandregamb
@alexandregamb 4 ай бұрын
@@chrislambert9435 Look into it and see how wrong you are. there was many battle and counter were french did well. The problem is a lack of organisation because of the lack of radio. that part was a big problem for the french. The battle of France was close.. very close. It wasn't the defeat that some people are saying today.. I didn't said the british didn't do well.. i said they ran away. Wich make it even worse.
@jungletiger1900
@jungletiger1900 Ай бұрын
President Charles De Gaulle, never forgave the British and blocked the UK from joining the EU for many years, and even today the friendship between Britain and France is still bitter.
@christhesmith
@christhesmith 4 ай бұрын
Sculting is NOW a word!
@importantname
@importantname 5 ай бұрын
when you side with the enemy - you are the enemy. Churchill ordered his ships to attack enemy ships.
@jeromelemoine1942
@jeromelemoine1942 5 ай бұрын
The French fleet was to be neutral, which meant not to side with anyone, Axis or British, and that was exactly the problem on that day.
@brunol-p_g8800
@brunol-p_g8800 5 ай бұрын
They didn’t side with the enemy. They were neutral.
@chrislambert9435
@chrislambert9435 4 ай бұрын
The French Navy should have joined the British Royal Navy in June 1940
@michaelmazowiecki9195
@michaelmazowiecki9195 4 ай бұрын
@@importantname the French had declared neutrality but would defend themselves if attacked, which, when attacked at Dakar, were successful in resisting.
@arnaudcasalis4072
@arnaudcasalis4072 4 ай бұрын
Voir mon commentaire.
@RussellJamesStevens
@RussellJamesStevens 5 ай бұрын
The French did not exactly cover themselves in glory during WW2.
@jeromelemoine1942
@jeromelemoine1942 5 ай бұрын
Who saved the BEF in Dunkirk then?
@michaelmazowiecki9195
@michaelmazowiecki9195 5 ай бұрын
They did more than many but were bitterly divided due to the massive losses of WW1 and crushed by the defeat of 1940. Mers el Kebir did not help.
@chrislambert9435
@chrislambert9435 4 ай бұрын
@@michaelmazowiecki9195 The French Navy should have joined the British Royal Navy in June 1940
@michaelmazowiecki9195
@michaelmazowiecki9195 4 ай бұрын
@@chrislambert9435 issue was that the French Navy Command were enthusiastic supporters of Petain and believed that the UK was doomed, the more so that the US embassy to France, informed them that the US will stay out of the war. The US remained in diplomatic relations with Vichy to Nov 1942. Churchill's decision to attack tge French navy at Mers el Kebir despite France's declared neutrality was bitterly resented in France and still does to a decree : "perfidious Albion". French navy ships in the Carribean sailed to Martinique and stayed neutral to 1943 under US supervision. They joined the Allies after refitting.
@arnaudcasalis4072
@arnaudcasalis4072 4 ай бұрын
Voir mon commentaire. Je vous souhaite de ne pas connaitre la guerre.
@brianpearson8782
@brianpearson8782 5 ай бұрын
Typical French. Take the ships to England in the end. The elite officers collaborated to the Nazis
@brunol-p_g8800
@brunol-p_g8800 5 ай бұрын
Typical British. As ignorant about history as a potato.
@arnaudcasalis4072
@arnaudcasalis4072 4 ай бұрын
Voir mon commentaire
@alexandregamb
@alexandregamb 4 ай бұрын
Typical for the French is to fight the germans. 1870, WW1 and WW2. The simple fact that you say that show what little quality you have. If only the british would have listen to the french.. the problem the french had was having british as ally.
@philipdawes2661
@philipdawes2661 5 ай бұрын
On the thumbnail for this, the title is 'the sculting of....' typo that needs to be corrected.
@arnaudcasalis4072
@arnaudcasalis4072 4 ай бұрын
Il est facile de critiquer en dehors des circonstances du moment. Certains Britanniques oublient un peu vite que leurs aînés partageaient la défaite de 1940. Et l'armée britannique a sauvé bien des vies à Dunkerque grâce au sacrifice de soldats francais. Si l'Angleterre n'avait pas été une île, les historiens s'accordent a dire que le pays aurait été envahi tout aussi vite que la France. La puissance démographique et industrielle de l'Allemagne était près du double de celle de la France qui ne pouvait plus résister sur le continent sans allié. De plus, la menace nazie était alors contre-balancee par la menace communiste qui s'etait déjà distinguée par ses massacres a grande échelle et laissait perplexe une grande partie de la population. Ma mère était une authentique résistante travaillant pour de Gaulle. Mon père était jeune officier de marine en poste au Canada. Il n'aurait jamais désobéi au pouvoir légal (question d'honneur). Mais la trahison de Mers El Kebir par Churchill et l'assassinat de 1 700 marins par surprise (bien plus que les 1 200 Israéliens tués par le Hamas !) l'a toujours convaincu que l'armée britannique n'était pas fiable. Aucun de mes parents n'a été gaulliste mais mon père reconnaissait que le combat de de Gaulle était finalement le bon. Churchill a probablement commis la plus grande faute historique des alliés a Mers-El-Kebir en laissant douter de la fiabilité des gouvernants britanniques. Le mot "honneur" ne lui était peut être pas familier.
@garyskyner5855
@garyskyner5855 4 ай бұрын
The word 'honour' would have been more familiar to him.
@alexandregamb
@alexandregamb 4 ай бұрын
Tout a fait d'accord avec vous.
@Septimanien
@Septimanien 5 ай бұрын
It was a matter of honor for the French Navy. Allying with England meant that the population would have to suffer the same fate as the Poles or the Russians. Allying with the Germans was unacceptable to 99% of French sailors. So the only choice was to die under Allied shells. Be happy that you were never invaded by a criminal political party. I'm a French citizen.
@chrislambert9435
@chrislambert9435 4 ай бұрын
The French Navy should have joined the British Royal Navy in June 1940
@Septimanien
@Septimanien 4 ай бұрын
@@chrislambert9435 Perhaps, in this case the reprisals against the civilian population would have been even more atrocious. We were fighting against two countries (Reich and Italy) and Spain was more than threatening. The total submission of the armies to political power is total. The non-commissioned officers and sailors tried to revolt (scuttling of Toulon). The officers obeyed the government. The French navy then scuttled itself so as not to fall into German hands.
@chrislambert9435
@chrislambert9435 4 ай бұрын
@@Septimanien The French Navy Scuttled itself so that it could not fight with the British Royal Navy
@arnaudcasalis4072
@arnaudcasalis4072 4 ай бұрын
Voir mon commentaire
@Septimanien
@Septimanien 4 ай бұрын
@@chrislambert9435 The French Navy could not fight with the Allies and did not want to fight with the Germans. All that was left was to die.
@GordonFreeman-sl6pi
@GordonFreeman-sl6pi 4 ай бұрын
I didn't expect to read so many hateful and ignorant comments precisely below an informative video about what happened. The lack of empathy from some of you is worrying. Look inward about what your core beliefs are.
@4623620
@4623620 5 ай бұрын
What is "Sculting" ?
@chrislambert9435
@chrislambert9435 4 ай бұрын
It should say Sulking because at that time a since thats all the French did
@BA-gn3qb
@BA-gn3qb 5 ай бұрын
What the hell is "Sculting"?🤨
@BenJamin-tx7ol
@BenJamin-tx7ol 5 ай бұрын
Sculpting is a traditional French naval term, denoting yet another great French Victory, Battle of the Nile and Trafalgar are other great examples.
@BA-gn3qb
@BA-gn3qb 5 ай бұрын
@@BenJamin-tx7ol - The word in used for the video's thumbnail / picture is Sculting. Not Sculpting. Nor Scuttling.
@Retroscoop
@Retroscoop 4 ай бұрын
If you go to Google Translate, and translate the French word "Sabordage" to English, the result is indeed "Scuttling" But well, for those who prefer it, "sinking" is fine too.
@Retroscoop
@Retroscoop 4 ай бұрын
Fameuse phrase de cette époque: "Ne dites pas Metropolitain mais Pétain mollit trop" :)
@copperf3117
@copperf3117 4 ай бұрын
translation voice overs make the videos easy to watch and listen too while doing other task so not stuck reading the translated subtitles the majority of the video...
@Andres-v7r2h
@Andres-v7r2h 4 ай бұрын
The battléships should have gone to england
@littlefluffybushbaby7256
@littlefluffybushbaby7256 4 ай бұрын
I think for France becoming a vassal of the British was akin to being a vassal of the Germans. Especially as there had been blood spilt in several places not just Mers El Kebir.
@BenJamin-tx7ol
@BenJamin-tx7ol 5 ай бұрын
Sculting : French naval term for victory, unknown for obvious reasons !
@brunol-p_g8800
@brunol-p_g8800 5 ай бұрын
What a dumb comment from your part. Is it because the French navy dominated your British navy from the 17th to 18th century, and your British navy never had so many wins against the French navy as the French had against the British navy? Inferiority complex maybe? As a neutral person (I’m neither French nor British), it is what seems to be. For you and for others when they brag about the Royal Navy, a Navy dominated by other navies for more than 3 centuries who only managed to be on top for less than a century.
@chrislambert9435
@chrislambert9435 4 ай бұрын
The French Navy should have joined the British Royal Navy in June 1940
@renesagahon4477
@renesagahon4477 4 ай бұрын
@@brunol-p_g8800nice point ! Little known is that during the American civil war France had the most modern and powerful navy thanks to its ironclads from the late 1850s to the mid 1860s
@Kidraver555
@Kidraver555 4 ай бұрын
Why do people who did not make this documentary or own it slap their huge ego logo over a good print, jerks.
@joegodbout830
@joegodbout830 4 ай бұрын
Waste of an entire navy. France has nothing to be proud of from that war. The fact they got an occupation zone in Germany after the war and reoccupied colonial possessions after the war is disgusting. And they did it with ships and weapons built in the US and Britain
@arnaudcasalis4072
@arnaudcasalis4072 4 ай бұрын
Voir mon commentaire
@alexandregamb
@alexandregamb 4 ай бұрын
Easy for you to say.
@mathieu722
@mathieu722 2 ай бұрын
That's a lot of bullshit, all you know is probably what you found on internet meme and hollywood movie that hide 90% of what France have done in WW2.
@jokodihaynes419
@jokodihaynes419 5 ай бұрын
They could have run the battleships to England instead of scuttled the ships
@brunol-p_g8800
@brunol-p_g8800 5 ай бұрын
Thy couldn’t. It wasn’t an option presented to the French by the British and It was already too late, the Germans were at the doors of Toulon. But yes, going to England was one of the options in the orders of the French navy since 1940. But following the capture of the French ships in British ports by the British after the armistice, and then the attack on the fleet at Mers el Kebir, attack on a neutral country by a country the French considered as their friend and with who they were fighting together against the Germans just a few weeks earlier, nobody in the French navy would ever trust an Englishman again.
@Peter-lm3ic
@Peter-lm3ic 5 ай бұрын
@@brunol-p_g8800It is the English who cannot trust the French. The French Navy were given the choice to sail to British port but they chose not to do so! The French made the wrong decision. It was a desperate time for Britain who needed the French fleet but the French Navy said no and with the strong possiblity of the French fleet finishing up with the Germans the bombardment commenced!
@TimothyJarrett-uq9np
@TimothyJarrett-uq9np 5 ай бұрын
Which is a shame...many french willingly risked their lives(and many died) alongside us to achieve what accumulated to be the liberation of france..at the beginning we were alone...thank god for the Royal Navy...while you played politics they were fighting for both our continuance..c'est la guerre...et nous sommes des amis.
@michaelmazowiecki9195
@michaelmazowiecki9195 5 ай бұрын
Did not have the fuel, not even for a one way voyage to Gibraltar which was the nearest Allied base. My mother's brother-in-law was one of the French Navy sailors who revolted and scuttled his battleship. The French Admirals, who were very anti British following the Mers el Kebir destruction of the French fleet in north Africa, only followed the ordinary crew at the last possible minute when the Germans were entering the Naval harbour. A few of the submarines managed to escape.
@arnaudcasalis4072
@arnaudcasalis4072 4 ай бұрын
C'est tellement ca !
@eyeofthetigger7305
@eyeofthetigger7305 5 ай бұрын
Spell check your memes...sculting is not a word.
@chrislambert9435
@chrislambert9435 4 ай бұрын
It should say Sulking because at that time and since thats all the French did
@ak9989
@ak9989 5 ай бұрын
Vive LA Surrender! Bir Hakeim wasn't a victory in a sense. They retreated.
@jeromelemoine1942
@jeromelemoine1942 5 ай бұрын
bir Hakeim saved the british and allowed them to safely retreat to Al Alamein.
@louis-er9xk
@louis-er9xk 5 ай бұрын
And Dunkirk was just a rowing contest won by the brits...
@chrislambert9435
@chrislambert9435 4 ай бұрын
The French Navy should have joined the British Royal Navy in June 1940
@arnaudcasalis4072
@arnaudcasalis4072 4 ай бұрын
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