The Search for Lost Rivers. River Medlock Episode IX

[@LSD123.]

Does anyone else look at one particular brick , and wonder about the person who laid it all them years ago........

[@nickcaunt750]

I think the same guys that put the bricks in the Rochdale Canal did this culvert.....

[@ronr.53400]

yeah, the laborers, good for the nostalgia

[@gantmj]

It would be the coolest thing to somehow find a house along the Tib where you can still access it from a basement.

[@Ali-7676]

I read in another comment on one of Martin's videos how someone who used to work in the basement at a department store (I forget the name) once ventured into the lower basement and opened a hatch in the floor and saw the Tib flowing underneath. He said it was quite fast flowing and intimidating at the time. I dont know why Im so interested, the few times I visited the UK, I never went to Manchester!

[@gmr1241]

@@Ali-7676 I wonder which department store? The three I can think of were Debenhams, Lewis's and Kendals. Debenhams went down at least a couple of floors below the basement that's open now. I haven't watched the video yet so I could be way off...

[@witnessthefitness5462]

@@gmr1241 Must be Lewis's I think; sits right at the bottom of Tib street on the route of the river. Next time I'm in Primark I'll see if I can sneak down and find it!

[@WELLINGTON20]

That would not be possible. That would be going against safety regulations in that when the tib flows at max speed it will flood the basement.. It will also be an illegal way to smuggle drugs or smuggle dead bodies. But i do aggree that that would be extremely good and you can call it your house.

[@lewismacnab7248]

I used to work in Band on the Wall & in days of heavy rain the cellar used to flood from water ingress due to the River Tib bursting its culvert.

[@Dr_Kenneth_Noisewater]

Many of us joined you after the trap door video. I’ve watched all your videos before and since. Your desire to see and physically touch your local history is quite infectious, Martin - perhaps even more so for those of us who’ve never even been to England (ashamed as I am to admit that). So congratulations on reaching this almost mythical place! Next stop, Shooters Brook, eh? 😉

[@josedasilva8924]

Same, I found out about this channel because of the trap door.

[@ArtistTree]

All hail the trap door that opened more than just a river for so many of us! 😁

[@bobingram6912]

Was so intrigued with that tiny little wooden trapdoor that clicking on it "opened" up a whole history lesson of brilliant vids. I know more about Manchester than I do about my own city - and it's brilliant stuff told with such infectious enthusiasm.

[@LSD123.]

True......... The first video i seen was trap door video..... i have been hooked ever since.......

[@kennethbritt3015]

Yeah, same.. trap door episode now 2 days later still watching episodes

[@ianr]

WOW! I just noticed 50K subscribers. Well done! Plus great video! 👍🙂

[@timothybarham6374]

He's over 71k now.

[@KevinOsborne1987]

An emotional one!! Congrats on the tib! Fantastic video. Thank you Martin. Oh and 50k too!!

[@G1ZQCArtwork]

Serious question. How far would you have to walk up the Tibb passage, to reach the trap-door to look at it from underneath.? Assuming there was enough headroom to walk all the way.??

[@DJTHORR..]

I know i was fantasising how far up it would be and what it would look like ..i hope Martin goes back and walks through the Tib culvert ;)

[@G1ZQCArtwork]

@@robertparkinson9540 I can see a possible return visit.!!

[@gilles111]

Probably the part of the Tibb between the trap door and Medlock is all this large (to allow the water through the trapped door into the Tibb/Medlock). But walking through that culvert should only been done by using an airtank (ask the firebrigade).

[@danam2584]

@@gilles111 Yes! Please take care of your lungs.

[@nickcaunt750]

It would be about 70-100m.

[@thomasmann9216]

Now that you've found it, how about an explore up the Tib?

[@gibsonscornershop]

My thoughts exactly, get him up there!

[@AndrewFree]

Dying to see this

[@crazyfvck]

@Thomas Mann In the very least, I would LOVE to see him fly a small drone into that tunnel!

[@bobingram6912]

From that trap door moment to this little underground culvert you have had us all spellbound at the great lengths you have gone to uncover the history of Manchester's lost rivers. It's another world down there especially when you can still see 200+ years of history still extant but going unnoticed. I could feel your emotion on finding the Tib, I thought they might have to drag you out!! Cracking vid Martin, thanks for all your effort it's been an excellent journey👍 Congrats on 50k, there are a lot of people still missing out on these brilliant history lessons though, fools!!!!! 🐝

[@nixtax3526]

Cracking explore mate, great to see bricked up arches and windows in the brickwork like ghosts of buildings past, and great to find the elusive Tib there should be a blue plaque on the wall!

[@christopherescott6787]

Open a window,,,,,,Collectively we can hear all of us worldwide shouting YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GREAT work Martin!!!!

[@minisareus]

Well done Martin you should go up the tib culvert

[@robmez]

Martin what a fantastic end to your hunt tibb, , you could tell what a old forgotten structure the culvert is , so well built again , Manchester need to clean out it culvert structures they are lost gems and will stop the city flooding Brave and excellent filming again Martin well played

[@alanlansdell7533]

Great way to celebrate fifty thousand subscribers, lifting my pint for you right now! Cheers and keep it up Martin.

[@2H80vids]

I was almost as excited as you, when you stuck your hand in the water of the Tib. How far along that wee tunnel is the trapdoor? There's got to be a book in this somewhere !! Is your video footage suitable for lifting some still images? You have surely got enough "new" material to publish an updated version of the book you found on Amazon/eBay. Didn't you say that you had contacted the author? Would a collaboration with him be a possibility? Your work, determination, research and knowledge should be preserved in a more permanent way than KZbin. Can't wait for the next bit; the grand finale? You'll need to take a bottle of fizz with you for the conclusion or, at least, a flask.☺ Great work Martin, so, so, so much better than the **** on T.V. Cheers for now, Dougie. Just a thought, if others agree with me about a book, maybe "like" this comment.

[@andyhill242]

That really was an epically difficult video to make Martin, thank you so much for bringing it to us. So glad you finally got to stand in the Tib, I wonder how long it is since anyone has been in there?

[@robertbeech1937]

Hello and welcome back to another comment. Thanks Martin for another brilliant River Medlock episode, I almost got a little emotional at seeing the River Tib. Loving your work, roll on Medlock X.

[@wayneb2208]

Is the next video perhaps a journey down the tib? Can’t wait to see it

[@doncoffey5820]

Your mission if you should choose to accept it, is to keep going up that tunnel and look up at the trap door! Kidding of course but a brilliant conclusion to the mysterious adventure. There was a time when I would have trudged up there with you but not any more, I’m quite happy for you to do it. Absolutely brilliant Martin, loved every minute of it. My guess is that would be a “cut and shut” tunnel where they built it first then buried it before finally diverting the river into it. What it lacks in width, it gains in height which is the reserve capacity in times of flood. All those little arches are beautifully made and I wonder who built them? Who got out of his dingy bed and went and mixed mortar and laid those bricks. Amazing mate, thank you.

[@missmids]

Brilliant. Never been to Manchester so dont really know about the places and buildings you talk about but you have made me want to visit so i can see all this for myself. Really pleased you reached your goal.

[@DonConstance]

Do it, I just did, really interesting city, loads of old buildings and structures (and some equally impressive new ones).

[@DielectricVideos]

What a phenomenal next step toward your completion of traversing the entire Medlock! As to the river Tib, would it be at all feasible to attempt to traverse the entire river Tib starting from that entrance? I'm sure it would be quite a bit more technically challenging than the Medlock, but seeing the entire lost river end-to-end would be, in my opinion, some of the best footage ever recorded on KZbin (if it could even be done). Cheers!

[@paulhudson9129]

Brilliant video as always Martin. Was great seeing the Tibb after all you have told us about it.

[@t.vanoosterhout233]

Fantastic, the two of you pushing on beyond that weir. Would using a shallow draft canoe or rowing boat have been of any help here?

[@simontay4851]

They had an inflatable boat previously.

[@hamshackleton]

Getting it IN is the problem!

[@mikeschaffel6958]

Another Great video Martin, Its a shame to see the Medlock in such a poor state, but fascinating to see all that history below Manchester. The weir looked absolutely fascinating and well done for pushing on. 50K Subscribers and finding the river Tib Big Well done :-).

[@spex357]

Enough of a blockage to cause a flood somewhere as trees are like sieves. Half of the crap in the tunnel is going to meet that tree in the winter and back up in minutes and possibly hold its position for a while. The limited maintenance of our Waterways is not helped by the route some now follow, but out of sight, out of mind seems appropriate. As a child all rivers in the area had derelict mills and their contents spilling into the river everywhere. Colours of the rainbow sat in every bit of still water, the smell was similar to the gas tank smell with a hint of toxicity. The amount of Steel in there made it the colour of Chocolate, in some areas a thick scum built up and set hard enough in the summer for Hawks to snatch rats running across. Glad you reached the Tib, what a cracking bit of brickwork to end on. What next? Have you ever tried to reproduce anything in 3D from your Photo's, photogrammetry could reproduce that entrance.

[@joybeasley5363]

Blimey Martin that was a tough one! Great video though and your face at the end when you found the Tib! Well done mate Tfs.

[@darriendastar3941]

Wow! This was excellent. It deserves more Likes (the thumbs up button above).

[@jordanwoolley3475]

Congratulations on the 50k ☺️ hopefully 100k is around the corner

[@RobTaverner]

Well done yet again. Great to see the Tib and so pleased for you to stand in it. What a moment.

[@sputumtube]

I've got to the point now where I press the 'like' button before I even start watching because I know in advance it's going to be brilliant. Once again I'm not disappointed. Thanks for posting...

[@pwhitewick]

Another beautiful piece of artwork Martin. It will never cease to amaze me why videos like yours who offer so much value to so many aren't pushed and given the true reward they deserve. Anyway, I'll stand off the soap box! Catch up soon. Team Whitewick

[@MartinZero]

Thanks very much. Really appreciate it. Likewise 👍🏼

[@shedman6486]

I've enjoyed this journey all the way with you chaps.All my heart..Thank you...

[@chucky2316]

No wonder why there's so much floods today the water systems aren't cleaned out, are you going to brave the river tib see where the tunnel goes.

[@hullhistorynerd]

Oof, if anyone deserves likes and subscribes, it's definitely the guy who went into that stinky messy river! Another great bit of exploration. I love how history from other videos gets tied back in from a different angle as well, like the iron girders over the river.

[@_wood]

I don't often do this, a second comment but you are now at the Hotspur Press as I watch. At "The Percy Brothers" Hotspur Press building named by someone who knew his Shakespeare "Henry the Fourth" part one featured Harry Percy duke of Northumberland Known as "Hotspur" who led a failed rebellion against the monarchy. I remember this because I was in the Manchester Youth Theatre and after auditions I was in a production of Henry the fourth part one at the Renold Theatre in the UNIST complex.

[@mikeniblock2137]

You really love your Manchester, well done mate.

[@mlr4524]

Terribly sad to see what humans have done to natural river systems throughout the world, in our quest to conquer and control Nature. You'd think we would have learned by now. How wild and beautiful these river ways and surrounding wetlands must have once been.

[@Mike.Howard]

So pleased for you! I can only imagine how you felt when you stood in the waters of the Tib. Brilliant series & looking forward to the next one!

[@whotknots]

Is Manchester council not responsible for the upkeep of these areas? I was really shocked by the conditions you revealed.

[@otherunicorn]

Yay! The Tib. I remember your excitement at seeing the trap door, which was possibly the first video of yours that I watched.

[@TopoRanger]

Finding of the Tib was a near religious experience! Hard work paying off. Congrats!

[@brianartillery]

Brilliant, as always. I love how very happy you are to finally see the River Tib - you've finally got your 'Holy Grail'. It's an eye opener, to be sure, about how neglected parts of the Medlock are - it's as if developers have just swept their detritus under the carpet, in the hope that nobody notices. These videos are addictively fascinating, and your enthusiasm, and always excellent research make them, for me, essential viewing. Thanks, yet again.

[@yorkiepudd7404]

Martin that was just fekking awesome i Tib you not, as others have said congrats on 50k subs and the TIB alcove is just begging to be explored even if you only go 50ft ahead. Damn you should feel proud of yourself also Thanks to Charlie & Conner. Top work guys. cheers ken ps: what is that music piece called just love it.

[@roytabberer7427]

Another well presented video, well done indeed! I am also pleased that you have realised part of your dream and that is finding where the Tib joins the Medlock. I, like many others, thoroughly enjoyed your 2 hours plus live stint the other night, the time for me just flew by.

[@Bantammenace1903]

C.R. on the old OS map refers to the location of the dashed line being the administrative boundary along the Centre of River.

[@liamhockings7897]

Another great episode in the series Martin, great Sunday evening viewing! Congratulations on 50k subs and finding the Tib! Keep up the great work. Thanks, Liam

[@giggitygoo3945]

One of manchesters arterys

[@navigator902]

By all means like and subscribe ... its like walking in a lost land.....sad to see a river so lost......cheers river Tib... love your videos that enlighten historical remains.

[@cyberdonblue4413]

Yet another great video, Martin. Very touching to see you achieve the dream of finding the Tib where it converges with the Medlock. I felt so happy for you. I wish somebody of your ilk would do something similar in my city (Birmingham) because I'm absolutely certain that we have a hell of a lot of history undiscovered or not particularly widely known round these parts too. The vandalism carried out by the City Council in the name of progress in the 1960s was unforgivable. It destroyed so much of Birmingham's visible history only to replace it with concrete as far as the eye could see. Tragic. Sadly, Manchester appears to be undergoing a similar kind of transition at this time. The eradication of history, only to be replaced by bland, faceless glass and concrete. Your kind of documentation will, I'm sure, be absolutely invaluable in the future, Martin, because our cityscapes are changing at a frightening rate these days; and without us even realising it half the time. Stay safe, my friend and best wishes for your future adventures.

[@derek-press]

wow and wow ..how and who the heck built all this, it's a work of art ,Briliant video as ever Martin! 100000 likes

[@danielsedgwick5476]

What an epic video, well done. Much better than anything the BBC or ITV could put out.

[@andrewyates2057]

My Sunday night is complete another fantastic video keep them coming martin

[@hongkongphooey78]

It reminds me of waiting for bullseye to come on, on a sunday night.

[@hovermotion]

You hit Jack pot martin.... Great vid... I was working close to that construction site crane a few months back and got some shots of the old basement remains of the old building where the new 20+ story building is now standing... Manchester is changeing very fast....jim

[@deanvickers1397]

well done Congratulations on 50k subscribers great work take my hat off to you martin :)

[@doncoffey5820]

Your mission if you should choose to accept it, is to keep going up that tunnel and look up at the trap door! Kidding of course but a brilliant conclusion to the mysterious adventure. There was a time when I would have trudged up there with you but not any more, I’m quite happy for you to do it. Absolutely brilliant Martin, loved every minute of it. My guess is that would be a “cut and shut” tunnel where they built it first then buried it before finally diverting the river into it. What it lacks in width, it gains in height which is the reserve capacity in times of flood. All those little arches are beautifully made and I wonder who built them? Who got out of his dingy bed and went and mixed mortar and laid those bricks. Amazing mate, thank you.

[@melcooke2198]

Great video as always. Congratulations on 50k subscribers

[@grahamtanner559]

Thanks mate very nice,like the music to.

[@AdventureElmes]

Wow what can I say, a special set of videos. A truly fabulous and thoroughly enjoyable journey so far. Glad that wasn't the last one.

[@thedr.feelgood]

51, 000 Subscribers ... fantastic , I love watching all of your videos. I have shared the MANCHESTER'S LOST ISLAND OF POMONA , with everyone. All found it to be a fascinating story - they never knew about ..... keep it up mate !

[@MartinZero]

Thanks very much 👍

[@ermervandal]

yes just what i needed on a sunday night, keep up the excellent work, much love from liverpool. also hi comments section.

[@trooperkent]

Absolutely fantastic video I can’t wait for more

[@alarmman2007]

great video martin as always i would look into getting some safety gear like a gas sniffer to keep you safe keep up the great work :)

[@Dormices]

Thank you so much for that explore, so extremely interesting! In admidst the mud, sand and dirty waters, is another world of quiet and ancient beauty that people pass unknowingly over - this hidden river running beside and through such beautiful brickwork and arches. Edited to add how great it was to see the trapdoor again and connect it with its little tributary! You have captured so well the forgotten and deserted derelict atmosphere of this historic waterway. Nothing stands still and eventually there must be some upkeep by the NRA or the trees will break up the brickwork bit by bit. It feels like a copy of your video needs to be placed in some historical records archive.

[@cheechU38K]

So glad to see you finally meet the tib

[@rydermike33]

Wonderful video Martin. It was lovely to see your reverence for that little lost river. Reaching it didn't look too pleasant though. Real dedication. Thank you Martin, Connor and Charlie.

[@stevenholden9520]

I'm sure my heart missed a beat when you found the Tib. Brilliant as usual, thanks Martin.

[@davespooney8472]

Excellent 👍 Didn’t look too inviting the Tib, having a 200 year old wooden trap door between you and the canal above. Anyone suggesting he should navigate further up the Tib, maybe should go along too for emotional support 😂

[@MartinZero]

Thanks Dave and I agree with your comment its brilliant 😁👍🏼

[@Determinedkey9829]

woudl you ever do this in london? im sure there are loads of areas underground waiting to be explored

[@davekauffman8727]

The areas you mention may have been adopted by some of London's "guests", it may not be safe unless you have converted to their faith, I've heard some are very violently enthusiastic about persuading people to embrace it :-)

[@chucky2316]

@@davekauffman8727 London is a doss hole give me Manchester any day and I'm a Soft southerner 😂

[@mcscootie]

@@davekauffman8727 yes, i dont think those tunnels have been halal certified yet

[@AlisonBryen]

I once had a really goodnight out on Whitworth Street West. It was an indie night called Parklife and was took place in a club in one of the railway arches...

[@jenratcliffe7232]

Amazing to see the Tib. Makes up for Shooter's Brook! Amazed the Medlock is still flowing round that blockage. That must have washed there over years of flooding.

[@johngoy9375]

Excellent martin, really enjoyed that. Followed you along the long and winding journey to date, looking forward to next instalment. Keep these videos coming, incredibly informative and entertaining, I like your style... Thanks for making them :-)

[@Aldamiras]

Shouldn't you have explored further up the Tib tunnel? I'm curious as to where that leads. You are leaving us with a cliffhanger! Congrats on finding it.

[@aceofwands]

next time bring a little dingy. i worked for manchester ship canal company in 1978 and have seen the plans for all these waterways. great work, granada tv should give you a tv show.

[@MartinZero]

Thanks 😄

[@bg0124]

Congratulations on 50k Martin. I was in Manchester earlier today, always a nice city to visit and plenty of great industrial architecture that I have gained a better appreciation of from watching your videos. Great content as ever 👍👍

[@nedseagoon5101]

Congrats on another great & interesting video. Well done on getting to your personal hard won holy grail of the Tib. Not many Mancs can say they’ve stood in it!

[@kirkevans3705]

Alright mate I am been watching your videos are on KZbin I've been so busy I've got so much it on my mind at the moment but thank you for sending me a new video 100% chicken dinner 47 yeah

[@RetroScythe]

Please go up the tib culvert! I would be so interested to see how far you can go up the river tib. Bring some air canisters and a gas meter. Mabye you can get to that trapdoor and see the bottom of it! What if theres a plot twist, The tib is no longer from the spring but just water leaking through that trapdoor!

[@MartinZero]

Watch this evenings video. I dont go along the culvert but you will see why

[@adrianroberts6983]

Fantastic Martin. At last you found the confluence of the Tib and Medlock. I've been thrilled and delighted watching your progress. Great video. Keep exploring.

[@arthuredeson3824]

C.r. means 'centre of river' in this context

[@michaelleigh2446]

super upload Martin, any idea about the old map at 0.56 where it says "portable" gas works, could they move em?

[@derek-press]

got me as well lol wonder what that meant?

[@michaelleigh2446]

The provincial portable gas works Co. of London. Gaythorn gas works Manchester

[@canislatrans8285]

It's so tiny! And I would have walked as far up that tunnel as I could and filmed it. Maybe it goes far enough to see where the canal drain is. I love these water videos. I am fixated with small streams and source springs and this tunnels and culverts stuff is so interesting. It reminded me of the streets in Baltimore in the USA where you can see where a stream runs under the road by the topography of the streets and hills. Somewhere under there is an old tunnel with a stream running through it. I try to imagine what it looked like above ground when the land there was still farm or even further back, woods. I saw the lay of the land north at the city county line too, used to live there. There was an open stream in one portion, but it's source feed was totally tunnel/piped, and so was wherever it flowed to. Nearby on another street you can see by topography where a spring started and formed a small stream by an old farm house still there, but its completely underground and hidden now. It then runs down under that street, which is called Cold Spring Lane.

[@MartinZero]

Thank you, I would love to see what you have described 👍🏼

[@MrLargePig]

Excellent! I've been watching the Medlock series since the beginning, and it remains fascinating. Almost feel like I've walked it, myself, but without the debris and appalling stench...Well done in every way, Martin!

[@mikeniblock2137]

The blue and black things at 12.54 are what we call frog flaps,ore none return fittings, they will let water out but when the river rises they will stay shut and not let back flow.

[@MartinZero]

Thanks Mike

[@robvandeschepop8595]

Hi Martin, thank you for fantastic journey to the river Tib. The first video I ever saw of you was the trapdoor video, so now I have seen the other side of the Tib too. One question: could it be the part of the water you saw flowing could be leakage of that trapdoor? Greetings from the Netherlands

[@P61guy61]

You should sell vials of the river Tib water. Or at least bring a jar of it home. Another great video. You have a knack for editing, sincerity, and downright interesting content. Thank you for posting.

[@phildavis4878]

What can I say your videos are always worth watching I'm going to have to change your name I start calling you Indiana Jones that's a great compliment trust me

[@martinpiggins5772]

Well done Mart! I bow down and take my hat off to you. It’s amazing how quickly 25 minutes goes by when watching one of your videos fella, what a mile stone ay and thank you so much for taking us with you. can’t wait for the next one👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@beakytzw]

Thanks Martin top video again and congratulations on reaching the 50K mark, I reckon 3 months and you will get your KZbin 100K plaque.

[@notsohairybiker]

Yet again brilliant. Your enthusiasm is contagious, the filming, great, as was the soundtrack. So much to see and then the golden orb appeared, finally, the TIB. Keep them coming

[@navelriver]

Excelsior! The River Tib! Amazing to find something so elusive, that so few even know it exists! There should have been a sword in the brickwork that you could pull out to become King!

[@MartinZero]

I agree 😀

[@johnrooney1749]

Well what a great journey could feel the excitement of in your voice like waiting to open your presents at Xmas thank you Martin&your great mates helping you will have to watch a few more times. John Rooney

[@pilpelet100]

Thanks for another great video. So happy that you were able to stand in the Tib. I hope that you disinfected everything (including yourselves!) when you got home! :-)

[@matthewgriffiths8423]

Well Done Martin. Amazing I tell you

[@jussipaulasaari5468]

I know you wanna do it.. Go on!! Do it!!! Own exploration into river Tib... Walking on that narrow culvert into... god know where and how far... Congrats of 50k subs.

[@LtKernelPanic]

Wow. When you were standing there and said it was deep I though after all that you weren't going to be able to stand in the Tib. Very glad you did. Now it's time to get the proper PPE and a SCBA and see where that goes! Congrats on 50K too!

[@Wilksey75]

It looks dark and long that tunnel! Martin zero=Mancunian history hero ⚔

[@MartinZero]

It was, and thanks 😁

[@wibblywobblyidiotvision]

That's excellent, man. Well done! You know that now you need to go find the underside of the trap door, don't you?

[@MartinZero]

Ahem, err yes

[@wideyxyz2271]

Yeah superb! Brilliant that you got to stand in and on the confluence of the Tib and the Medlock. Fantastic! My first ever first too lol.....

[@MarkP733]

The Tib! Its actually the Tib! Someone is cutting onions in here I swear! 😢 Great work Martin and well deserved. Glad you finally got to take in the moment 😁

[@l30njam3s]

Top video, congrats on finding the Tib

[@darrenhaynes865]

you have got to go up the tib now

[@salfordlad3829]

That was great that mate thanks