The search for Warrior cats' SECRET GAY CHARACTER

Long time no see, I've been really excited to put this video out, so I hope you'll enjoy it. Watch me go into a rabbit hole while trying to unravel a mystery of Warriors' (possible) forgotten queer character.
Background during the skit at the beginning of the video was done by my wonderful friend ‪@atelierr_‬ . You should give them bajilion subs btw
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[@Pigeocore]

For the record: I do know the diffrence between aromantic and asexual. The reason I refer to him being ace in this video is because this is what people were claiming he was. For those of you who don't know or don't remember there was this time in internet history where people would often misuse the term asexual to mean aromantic, so that's what's probably going on here. I should've been a little clearer about it in the video itself

[@ThevoicesaregettinglouderTABBY]

Plot twist: Everyone is gay

[@CosmicRadius]

Cannon

[@Ogerpwned]

Hooray!

[@Mag3.1415]

Everyone in straight relationships are actually bi

[@childeofepickness]

YAYY ‼️

[@F1SHB0NEZ_]

I did find a tweet from early August 2013 also stating that "one of the authors said that littlecloud might not have liked she-cats", and while it doesn't help track down the source of these claims it does help with the Gay Littlecloud Timeline and also adds to the claim that littlecloud specifically wasn't into she-cats

[@Pigeocore]

Thank you for the info! Could you link it here?

[@strawberrychapchap22]

Frostpaw & Whistlepaw are ALMOST canoned to be. On the Warrior cats fanart site, Whistlepaw was mentioned to be one of “Frostpaw’s potential mates.” Honestly, I’m all here for it and absolutely praying.

[@KaeserLooty]

I have been in the fandom since 2010, I remember this rumor being around bcs Vicky did said Littlecloud was not interested in she cats, but bcs he was too focused on being a medicine cat: this statement was misunderstood(in fact she also said few times he had a crush on Cinderpelt, then say they were just friends) and I remember someone screenshotting a facebook post, that was revealed to be a fake edit, listing some various canon queer characters(like Ravenpaw and Mousefur), also tv tropes was full of wc's queer headcanons, from kestrelflight to blossomfall, stating the possibility of queer characters as Erin said they didn't wanted to talk ABOUT queer issues, not about just writing, but they were all theories. Unfortunately it was always debunked as no canon queer warriors exist as they have to sell all around the world and have to stay quiet. The authors outside did reveal Tallstar is gay but not for the editors, while also stating Ravenbarley are partners and it is written on the wiki. Tbh I don't think we can hope any representation from WC, but fandom exist for a reason

[@Chimeraaas]

There’s also Blackstar, Russetfur, Hollyleaf, Splashtail, Shadowsight, Tall Shadow, Rock, Sun Shadow, Purdy, Puddleshine, Snowtuft, Juniperclaw, and Mothwing for implied LGBT+ characters - the Erins have stated at various points that none of them would be interested in relationships / taking a mate! Similar to Mousefur, I’d consider them to be kind of canonically aromantic/asexual! I recall another time that Leafpool, Graystripe, and Thunder were implied to be bisexual too?

[@reakasy7016]

Considering there was a Grey/Fire fanfic written by one of the Erin's (Kate Cary - The Longest Night), I would say that both Firestar and Greystripe are at least semi-canonically bi, since it looks like Cary was an Erin at the time of writing that (and still is?)

[@atelierr_]

THIS RULES YOU'VE OUTDONE YOURSELF HERE THE PRODUCTION QUALITY IS AMAZING

[@spectacularslowpoke6018]

One place to check could be chicken smoothie, a pet collectible game with lots of foum posts made by users, there was a considerable warriors community on there in the late 2000s/early 2010s. The website only went online in about 2008 but given that there were lgbt users who were warriors fans on there even back then, it could be worth a look potentially to see if it’s mentioned on there. Old posts do still exist, some stuff I wrote in warrior cats forums on there during 2009/2010 are still present. Edit: there were even several special warrior cats collectibles pets out out by the people who ran the website that were made in 2009, obviously non official but there was definitely a big chunk of the warriors community on that site for sure

[@Ogerpwned]

Oh my goodness chicken smoothie…

[@goof69420]

This video was sponsored by J.K ROWLINGS BLACK MOLD

[@robinarrow1337]

Real question, is it just a joke or is there something transphobic in the video ? I didn't watch it yet.

[@Pigeocore]

​@@robinarrow1337No, There's no transphobia in this video. JK Rowling is just mentioned a few times due to the topic being related to her and I make a joke about the whole black mold situation. Fuck her btw

[@robinarrow1337]

@@Pigeocore Oh ok ! Thanks ! Sorry if it came out wrong, I never saw your videos before so I got a little anxious

[@Pigeocore]

@@robinarrow1337 No worries! I get it

[@bird1ee]

Oh gosh I feel like you just jogged my memory! When I was younger I remember going to the wiki and reading through those old author q&as (they might’ve been called author chats?? Idk it’s the same place where some other canon-dubious stuff was said), and I think I remember something about how littlecloud wasn’t interested in she-cats because he was too invested in his med cat duties or smth along those lines, probably as a response to whether or not he had a crush on cinderpelt, and I definitely think that could’ve been misconstrued as them thinking that was Vickie confirming he was gay. I don’t remember exactly when those q&as happened, but I know that it was relatively early on in the fandom, so they definitely could’ve happened around 2014 or so. I think that could be a good starting place for finding the source!

[@lj2659]

That sounds familiar actually!! I specifically remember the term "married to his work" being used or something lol??

[@Alexanderissilly]

I wouldnt be shocked if that statement was made at some point, sounds like something the victoria would say, what doesnt seem likely is that littlecloud being gay would be that easily forgotten, seems almost impossible that just got forgotten by almost everyone, but i wasnt in the fandom back then so maybe it was just different

[@falcon_arkaig]

If Vicky did say something like this (big IF) I can imagine it's because Littlecloud doesn't necessarily have a particular male character he has a semi-canon love story with (unlike TallJake and RavenBarley where it's like heavily implied in canon). Also Littlecloud is a minor-ish character and not a main character unlike Tallstar (who got a Super Edition) and Ravenpaw (who got a Novella). Iirc Littlecloud doesn't have a SE or Novella. Correct me if I'm wrong though

[@Mossyspring]

Never heard of this but transfem Snowkit slaps everyone should add it to their Snowkit survives AUs

[@OfficalRowen]

Just want to say rq that Ace =/= no romantic attraction (Aromantic) so it's better to switch "gay or ace" for "gay or aro/aroace" since he could very well could be gay _and_ ace

[@Ogerpwned]

I never heard the littlecloud rumor! I did hear purdy was gay though.. good for him

[@Apolloius]

Old gay man cat love 🔥🔥

[@SheetGhostWithBones]

GAY OLD MAN 🥶

[@LittleLion420]

Yes please warrior cat hoaxes videos

[@LittleLion420]

So glad you’re back and doing well by the way!

[@duplollamaree1250]

I haven't engaged with anything related to warrior cats since I was tiny. Never read the books. But this was a great video! I appreciate how through you were and this cliffhanger makes me hope you discover the truth about the whole situation. As an aroace girl myself, I'd love another canon/technically confirmed one of us to add to my small collection, even if it is for media I only passively interact with :)

[@falcon_arkaig]

I think what that one user was saying about Hollyleaf being "confirmed Asexual" is bc iirc in one of the Tpot books she says she's "not interested in having a mate or kits". So that could imply she's Asexual? Though obviously that's not canon. Also. I'm on the side of this being a rumor. Maybe Vicky said something like "Littlecloud isn't romantically interested in Cinderpelt" around 2006-2014 and someone misconstrued that into her saying he's gay? I wouldn't be surprised if Vicky did say he was gay though, the authors aren't necessarily shy about giving their opinions on certain character's sexualities (like Tallstar and Jake being described as a couple, but the publishing team just saw them as friends. I think one of them said this on a Facebook post.)

[@luckygorabbitfoot4457]

silverhawk actually moved accounts to brackenfur a while back, which is probably why he never responded.

[@Pigeocore]

I messaged him on his Brackenfur account, as seen in the video

[@luckygorabbitfoot4457]

@@Pigeocore ah oops, my mistake!

[@Sombrero-Spirit-Phoenix]

I myself dont know a lot about warrior cats. In fact i dont know who LittleCloud is. But i became so invested in this video its concerning XD. Also i absolutly LOVE how dedicated you are and the art.

[@Silly.kat_kat]

bro imagine the ppl that never heard of warrior cats finding this video

[@thepokepoet9482]

It's Littlecloud isn't it

[@rorytelling]

This is one of those "net zero information" types of videos, but headcanon accepted anyway

[@eagastudios]

I love high quality, passionate, in-depth analysis videos on oddly specific topics like this. They are so silly and they make me very happy

[@nuniyoa]

i've been in the fandom since 2013-2014! my memory really isn't the best but i feel like i remember this. i think i might've seen it in one of those ancient "warrior cats fact" videos. also i feel like i remember this topic coming up in an old moonkitti video in passing, possibly/probably in one of their streams? but i could be mixing it up with their littlecloud discord bot and some other joke about how a bunch of shadowclan apprentices spawned at the start of a vision of shadows. some other people mentioned that littlecloud "wasn't into she-cats" because he was too focused on his medicine cat duties which sounds a little bit familiar.

[@lj2659]

I love videos like this! Deep dives into obscure warrior cat topics :) keep it up this was great!!

[@baasparkopenings851]

I'm not sure if the post is real or not (it definitely sounds like something she could say, but it also could just be made up) but I do think: 1. The Dumbledore being gay thing definitely had a resurgence at some point after 2007. I thought it happened way later than that because I thought I remembered when it first was revealed. Then again, I thought that was around 2015+, not 2014 or earlier, as I thought I had heard about it on Tumblr, which I didn't join until 2015. So that's probably not the most reliable background information. I just have a feeling that the statement could be from 2014, and being "after dumbledore was confirmed gay" was just people not realizing how early on dumbledore was confirmed gay. That is 100% just speculation, for clarification, it's just something I wanted to mention. 2. I think the wording of "not into shecats" is very important and makes it more plausible. He definitely wasn't confirmed gay, that's for sure, based on any credible testimony in my opinion. "Not really into shecats" can mean anything from aroace or gay to low libido / prioritizing his job over his clan, but if it's real (or for those who do believe it's real) I do obviously understand why people would feel uncomfortable around other people who ship littlecloud with girls. Idk, Silverhawk is a recognizable name to me and I didn't know I was even that into the warrior cats fandom, so I personally lean towards it being real, but if it can be proven that the warrior cats misconceptions blog has spread misinformation in the past (especially since that post itself isn't super clear / accurate) I could totally believe that being the source in all honesty. I definitely don't think it's just a joke by Silverhawk and co from pre-2014, the story sounds too legit for that, but this fandom rumor has obviously had tangible effects on people if others can remember the effect it had on fandom culture, so whether or not it really came from Vicky, I think it "existed" to some degree.

[@lvk9657]

I definitely recall this being a piece of information that was passed around at the time, but I genuinely could not tell you if I remember seeing a specific screenshot, just that it was something that was occasionally brought up in factoid videos and on forums and such. I really hope that if there was an original statement on it it can ultimately be found!

[@donnaroe]

Super well made video! I remember this rumour from way back in the day, so this is super nostalgic haha!

[@hypedbagkid962]

I love this! very good to see a vid from you pigeo I always enjoy listening to you, your voice is so soothing!

[@halcyonbuzz]

the way i already headcanoned littlecloud as gay ace..... i guess he just has Vibes

[@purejoey8695]

This sounds so familiar! I definitely heard this somewhere as a teenager.

[@thistlethefox_13]

A rumors and hoaxes video would be cool!

[@hemlocksgrove4398]

Maybe a weird q but have you tried to contact vicky about this? I know there is a chance she forgot, but if you tell her that theres a rumor she said something so specific going around that seemed to start in 2014ish that could jog her memory.

[@Pigeocore]

I might consider doing that at some point, but like I said in the video, I'm not sure she'd even remember this. For now I wanna try my own efforts to find it

[@Twilight_Princess22]

There are a lot of cats that I thought were gay. Darkstripe for example, I know he had a big fat crush on Tigerstar the first, I also think that Shadowsight is gay and is in love with Rootspring, this is how my brain functions. I thought that Littlecloud had a crush on Cinderpelt, but if people believe he’s gay then I’m all for it.

[@mothwingthemedicinecat]

I have seen a lot of people headcanon Littlecloud as gay, but i have never thought maybe people could have seen a post of it. This is intresting

[@ilovewillowrosenberg]

I applaud all the effort you put into this video!! It's too bad you couldn't find the answer, but it's interesting nonetheless

[@That_ChocolateBlueberry]

New subbie from me keep up the good work!this video was great.also saw on the videos on the right of my screen a video of starclan but corrupted looks great! I love corrupted stuff😄.anyways yeah I’m a new subscriber!

[@Tawnyami]

“A cat whose interest in she-cats is smaller than his size.” LMAO

[@hollowelysium]

I remember the specific wording of "isn't into she-cats", but I definitely heard it anywhere between 2017 and 2021, so it's not very helpful for this video beyond showing the rumor was still popular enough for me to hear it. Nice video, hope the mystery gets solved!

[@Sibertooth1]

Little cloud was always a little gay to me to be honest. I feel like every warrior cats character always gets a ship, and Littlecloud was a warrior before he was medicine cat so he very well could have taken a mate. Also, as someone who is ace myself, it’s nice to have some representation in the books. Even if it’s not true, it’s Still gonna be my headcannon :)

[@YourLocalSquirrel]

I would say Ravenpaw and Barely but they are official so that’s off the chart for secret gays. (pride month post by one of the authors of them cuddling behind a pride flag)

[@frostpatch2347]

The real reason Littlecloud was part of Squirrelflight's trial is because he had a forbidden romance with a tom

[@Shadowfate93]

Not liking shecats ≠ likes toms. Ace ppl exist

[@FunDipOneDip]

You mean aroace people? Or just ace ppl?

[@sunnydayss]

have fun and frolick maybe people can have their hcs 🫶

[@rorytelling]

This is why we watch the whole video before commenting

[@lj2659]

A fact I used to see on those old warrior cat fact vidoes is "a lot of medicine cats chose the role because they have same sex attraction" so I'm curious if this rumor lead to that fact?? 😂

[@arachnits]

ITS PEARRRRR

[@laUrelZxg118]

me before watching this: redtail & runningwing, me while watching this: what about cinderpelt x littlecloud? littlecloud x whitethroat?

[@Meow_Mix]

beautiful video title

[@bluesheep7]

Aw, a shame you didn't get to find the source, despite the hard work. But great job, regardless! Personally, I think it could be very much true. I don't think the implication was that he is ace/aromantic (I doubt the author is aware of asexuality and aromantic people existing, honestly), I think she just meant gay. Also, he was a very safe choice, as a background character whose job prevents him from having a mate... It's like the Dumbledore case, yeah he's gay, but nobody talks about it and we will never speak of the one lover he had. I would be very interested in the hoax video! The warrior cats "facts" videos have a ton of them and some are... Honestly disturbing. Edit: grammar.

[@LittleLion420]

Please someone explain to me how to look at Wikipedia edits 🙏🙏

[@Nori-bmd4]

Fun fact: scourge is gay

[@TheAutisticFrog]

4:27 RAIN WORLD

[@TheAutisticFrog]

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