The Secret History of Our Streets - S01E01 - Deptford

Audio drops out at 19:10 for approx 3 mins due to a copyright claim.

[@JJDoole]

One of the most heartbreaking pieces of television I’ve seen. This crap is still going on today; the powers that be don’t want working class people living in these areas, they want them to move into tower blocks and satellite estates and leave the rest for the middle classes.

[@lukemoriarty5698]

It all comes down to greed and money, I am thrilled to have found these videos. Many thanks from Australia 🇦🇺

[@CARLIN4737]

family of criminals perhaps.

[@luoisceline9685]

My grandmother and her brothers and other kids used to rely on the charity of the Deptford market stall holders on a saturday evening when they were closing up, the stall holders used to leave all the damamged and not so damaged foodstuffs out for these kids who used to run off home to their families to share out the free food. "Go and see what you can get off the top barrows" my great grandmother used to say to the kids and off they would troop up to Deptford high st from Greenwich. This was in the 20s, very grim times indeed. They also used to make the rounds of Peak Freans biscuit factory to buy up the broken biscuits for pennies. Summe meant hop picking down in Kent. Tough times.....hard people but very generous as they were all in the s..t together.

[@gypsyeaton]

Sounds like a true community in every sense.We need to hear more of history of people like this.

[@arnasia2465]

Deptford is part my studies in social sciencies in the UK. Really inetersting facts, thanks for sharing Luois.

[@JoseighBlogs]

@@arnasia2465 Hi Athanasia ~ I hope, with your studies, you are able to discern the disconnect between local people's domestic and homely wishes and 'outsider know-it-all toffs of Town and Country planners who think they know best for the lower classes with their council planning and architectural niceties. Of course, we presently see the Grenfell Tower Disaster an aspect of local politics, lobbying contractors looking to make a profit out of the public sector and the ways devious local political machinations make for potential 'horror' as Grenfell turned out to be. Good Luck with your studies :-)

[@2000mk1]

A very sad but fascinating program. Why hasn't this excellent series been made available on DVD ??

[@psymon9951]

Hopefully MANZE's pie and mash shop is still there. I know it's not in the high street but I used to live up the road from there and loved their pie and mash with lots of vinegar when I was a kid. Nostalgic AF.

[@p.m.apositivementalattitud2078]

It's still there...

[@hellfirepictures]

Still there. But so bad that my grandfather refuses to go there anymore. He's tried several times over the last ten years and has always hated it. It's not what it was according to him.

[@homestead44]

amazing seeing old london, sad to see how it's all gone.

[@ttp436]

Oh this is so sad. Making me feel very nostalgic. Communities ripped apart. Families, friends, businesses. Very sad. Thank god for people like the Shop owner & the Church man. Sorry I forgot the names.

[@camt9967]

And the tower blocks were such a success, weren't they? Town planners, they should have been made to live in their abominations, or sent to places without history or community. Damn them.

[@LykosCub]

They are or should be where they deserve to be

[@sammavacaist]

The young gentrifiers with the douchebag realtor at the end were a nice touch.

[@kyriebates2997]

Ah in Hartford,Ct. in the late 1950's early 1960's it was called Urban Renewal ( It Sucked) my father saw whole naborhoods vanish. Constution Plaza where the movie theaters and sevral churches and apartment houses distroyed.

[@joemorgan636]

Church Choir at the end was lovely

[@Zlervo]

Thanks for this video. I was looking for this episode for a long time.

[@stevesmith3990]

Thanks for posting this, really interesting.

[@dianngerson2392]

Just watching this for the umpteenth time, the council are now doing the same thing to Reginald House on Reginald Road, they want to knock the block down, get rid of the community Garden for Peabody to rebuild, once again shutting down a COMMUNITY - they have already shown force with the 100 plus police and county bailiffs to evict just 4 people form the garden.

[@Zlervo]

😥

[@LykosCub]

Watchingthis second time but I can't get further than 15 minutes, too upsetting for now. The Tragedy the planners brought down cannot be descibed in less than a 100 hour documentary but this is definitely better than nothing

[@SouthLondonCyclist]

The estate agent at the end, what a plum

[@carsoniawhitmore4547]

The council destroyed this community. Planners need to understand Community.

[@dereknewbury163]

Lived in Deptford for 25 years. It is still a great, vibrant place to be, but sad that it has lost so much. One wonders where the money was flowing in the 1950's. Clearly the patrician elite still held a lot of power. We are a very mixed community now, a few white British, many Africans, a good representation from Vietnam, and sundry others. We are still quite separate groups living, mostly harmoniously alongside one another and likely to remain so for the near future although are young appear to get along across the groups, at least for the most part. Shoplifting is our main crime

[@kennethslade8468]

Makes me wonder who manipulated the council. Whoever the contractors were must have made millions , both in demolition and construction. No one knows the deals made behind closed doors.

[@momasu]

The final scene in Albury Street shows that if redevelopment hadn't changed the area, gentrification would have done essentially the same job, and perhaps worse. There would have been streets and streets of terrace houses being sold by Foxtons for a million quid. By creating large areas of substandard and ungentrifiable housing the planners ensured that the area stayed working class, affordable and vital.

[@hellfirepictures]

Gentrification has happened and Deptford is unaffordable unless one is happy to live in the actual slums. It's not affordable to working class people and their families and the community has been destroyed.

[@terencelovell4735]

You’re either being sarcastic or are insane or a total simpleton. These people’s livelihoods, communities and families were torn apart by this and then by mass immigration much later - all after surviving the horrors of WW2 and WW1. The council wanted to experiment on Deptford. With new forms and types of cheap, mass housing. Using new nasty concrete cheap slab 1960’s styles, which have aged horribly, weathered badly and continue to degrade. Completely unlike the historic buildings they forcibly tore down. The houses the council built were CHEAP EXPERIMENTS THAT THEY THEMSELVES WOULD NEVER HAVE LIVED IN! POOR MASS HOUSING FOR A SUPPOSEDLY POOR AREA WITHOUT CONSENT. Building them was against the will and wishes of the only historic Deptford community and the council bully boys ignored them all! They Spent years compulsory purchasing, harassing the locals and wearing them down. This is classic public schoolboy elitism punching down on working class ppl and a working g class area. Notice how the the middle and upper classes in Royal boroughs haven’t and don’t succumb to such abuse: And yet you are so upset about a few flats going up lately? You’re an idiot. Deptford has been left to rot for so long it now needs gentrification . It needs to become the OXFORD STREET OF THE SOUTH EAST AGAIN. IT DESERVES IT. Add to all this undemocratic, unexpected sudden mass immigration to Deptford. Creating further Alienation and displacement of locals. High crime, gangs, drugs, knife crime , graffiti everywhere, etc… And Deptford is in need now more than ever of gentrification to turn it back into the place of its glory days. Days which should never have passed. There are many ppl still alive including those in the documentary who can vouch for all the above. So don’t reply just shut up, re-watch and pay attention this time.

[@thechatteringmagpie]

Town planners love their so called improvements.

[@rgnotdead]

no Daniel Bran Griffith they love themselves more.

[@PhyllisGlassup2TheBrim]

Whole areas declared slums even though they weren't. It's avbout money and corruption. Some people stand to make lots of money by wiping out whole communities and building from scratch. The planners, the builders, the property speculators, all make nice profits.

[@PhyllisGlassup2TheBrim]

@oyinbo peppe Wow I never realised teenage students were able to influence local government. Yuppies moved in everywhere, even my rural area, pushing up house prices. Property speculators were indeed involved as they bought up houses, renovated and sold on. I'm not even sure what a Labour council 50 years ago has to do with anything. Labour was not and is not above reproach any more than any other political party is and, however deluded, at least Labour wants to improve housing for the masses unlike the Tories.Beppe Sapone.

[@PhyllisGlassup2TheBrim]

@oyinbo peppe So it is Labour's fault that horrible people exist? That people take and deal in drugs? That some people are racists? None of the above would *ever* have happened had the Tories been in charge? I suppose Grenfell tower was nothing to do with the Tories either? Oh and why did your aunt chose to live there if it was so bad? Unless Labour padlocked her inside her flat? It's the Tories who voted down a Labour proposed law that private rental homes are fit for human habitation. Possibly because many of those opposed to the act are also private landlords. Did you know this? Did you choose to ignore it?Do you think that life is better for ordinary people under the Tories?

[@Zlervo]

They did the same thing in Wapping. The council deliberately let the buildings go to ruin because they wanted a whole community out. Now Wapping is just soulless. Check out the video open door Wapping

[@solcutta-zt9uw]

The open university.. Wow. Great times alone. I remember once whole days were open university programmes... Great upload apart from noise dropout ccs copyright issues no doubt

[@louiemendy5025]

My grandma Mabel Carroll born in Wagner street Deptford.1896

[@thelucentcrow9084]

It’s a long game the houses that weren’t knocked down are a million quid now what a surprise.

[@tizcreel]

I currently live in Deptford. They are about to build multiple massive tower blocks just a 7min walk away from the high street. Not looking forward to it. Deptford is one of the most diverse and community lead places left in London...

[@CARLIN4737]

Dont be rediculous. diverse you mean asian and eastern european.

[@solcutta-zt9uw]

The architect who keeps saying he knew this and that and heart bled daily sounds like a fool who knew nothing but a paycheck on the backs of long term living family's of the area who he was complacent in removing to all manner of disconnected districts.. Maybe he should be tried for experimental socialist failing.. Put him in prison

[@JoseighBlogs]

The shopkeeper featured with his glorious 'saff London patter' is pure Deptford gold as are other market traders and former residents that are in the documentary sharing their Deptford reminiscences. Reference to wide extended Deptford families once living closely with all their Deptford historic insights is so revealing of a community destroyed by local politics and the arrogance of toff out-of-touch architects and planners. At the end of the docu we listen to "As I was growing up I wanted to fight the council - My uncle John 'e didn't want to move - Big strong man - Some little creep's gonna come along an' tell 'im e's gotta get out? - And then the creep hides behind the bloody door and sends the bloody bulldozers in! - Then you try and fight them - You can't fight none of them - Yer go to the town 'all - You can't even get to them" speaks of the tragic disconnect between Deptford residents and the local Deptford Council of the time. Nothing has changed between resident London communities and their councils. Just look at the bludgeoning through of present mayor Khan's ULEZ on some specious green and health issue when all it is about is filling City Hall coffers with Congestion Charges and now all London ULEZ vehicle fines as well. A wonderful documentary ~ Thank you

[@hellfirepictures]

ULEZ is not some 'specious' green health initiative. It is a well studied, well documented scientific fact, that the air pollution from the ridiculous levels of transportation pollution in our communities is causing widespread ill health and up to 9000 excess deaths in London each year. We went to war and spent hundreds of billions because 3000 people died in another country and yet you're complaining about us trying to save up to 9000 lives EVERY YEAR, reduce pressure on the NHS, whilst also reducing the impact of climate change and the associated mega-money costs of that? Which all come out of the taxpayer pocket? If you live in a ULEZ zone, you have access to good public transport and it's unlikely you really 'need' a car unless you're very elderly or disabled. Which makes it more difficult to sympathise with you. I'm a local. My family lived in Deptford for over 300 years and were forced out. I'm also an environmental biologist and hate Deptford due to how filthy it is from air pollution. It literally sticks under ones nails and produces black snot. I doubt you have any expertise in the issue - you simply sound like an understandably frustrated car driver. But don't let the frustration at the cost to you of reducing the damage to people's health and lives distract you from the facts. One day it could be you who suffers ill health or dies because of the local pollution, or worse, your children may. And right now, your taxes are much higher because of pollution, because of costs to the NHS and for damage mitigation after every climate change strengthened event. We already spend 1.1% of our GDP on CC damage and that is expected to rise to 7.7% by 2100. Our NHS is already struggling and nigh-on broken and will cost hundreds of billions more to repair and improve in future decades even without the ill health issues from air pollution. The ULEZ is an environmental, financial and health blessing to the wider community even if not to you personally.

[@JoseighBlogs]

@@hellfirepictures How much global warming did the length of your spiel cause than mine which, I admit, was a little lengthy but, was not as longwinded as yours ~ aye? You know as well as I do ULEZ is a cash-cow for London's mayor. Meanwhile, Heathrow aeroplanes ply London's skies and dump back on top of London aviation pollution Mayor Khan with his useless ULEZ has sort to diminish at ground level ~ Crazy or what?

[@CARLIN4737]

soon...All be gone..replaced by slavs and eastern europeans. What a tragedy.

[@khalidurrahman2909]

Miss Manville's homework sure is fun

[@MJ-rz3ny]

These middle class planning monsters ripped the heart out of Deptford and other working class area's, it was mostly the working classes that shed the most blood during the wars and that was how they treated my people.

[@kevinsullivan41]

my mum and dads house was a slum,no hot water toilet in a shed freezing cold in the winter 110 volt downstairs gas light upstairs.when the council pulled it down she at last had all mod cons in a new flat

[@newtonwhatevs]

I admire the street pastor. That street is pretty much what's happening all over the Western world.

[@philipmcdonagh1094]

Same over here in Dublin the powers that be wrecked the heart of the inner city forever

[@simonyip5978]

The picture of the narrow street with the local people at 0:20 is Little Collingwood Street in Bethnal Green, near Brady Street. It is quite a well-known photo.

[@flumpaustin1994]

Pompous town planner. Not so clever were you!

[@BunneRabb]

The people with the big, fat ideas about how OTHERS should live don't have to live in the places they create.

[@jcmunich1]

As always the toffs were able to protect their posh enclaves whereas the working classes were displaced and disowned.

[@nia_912]

i live in Deptford

[@CARLIN4737]

The narrator is superb.

[@carsoniawhitmore4547]

What happened to the sound?

[@So1ipse]

@ Warsonia Whitmore - Sound killed by Copyright Obsessive Pedants - AKA the music industry, all they ever do is strangle music until someone pays them off. Nothing to do with listeners paying artists, the problem is the leeches in between, gouging their cut. There's a note at the top from the submitter saying 3 minutes sound missing @ 19:10 because of frustrated leeching.

[@homiepug189]

i thought my sound card had died lol

[@racheldoesacrylic4089]

2022 and where are we with regards to community ? this is what isee with the tec world most people dont look up from their mobiles to say hello or to engage with other folks anymore/ most sit indoors with family or alone all doing different things as in watch their humongous tv screens or are addicted to games that take their minds off what is truly going on in this world /its all become a me me me society especially the young ..maybe it is my age but many people are /feel alone even when their is some one right next to them//we have lost humanity towards each other and it can only get worse .now you have virtual manikins /robots lined up for the future holy jesus /thanks for upload

[@Baskerville22]

Councilors & politicians desperate to leave their mark on society....no matter how much it harms the lives of ordinary people

[@slammerjammy22]

This is so tragic! Deptford high street would have been so much more beautiful had they not knocked it all down. What a posh prick of an estate agent at the end lol

[@joemorgan636]

Love to know how much the houses are on Reginald Road now big money I bet

[@user-nr9pl4ir4o]

Harry heywood walking past and saying "dont lie tell the truth"

[@apeculiargentleman6925]

The villain of this documentary reminds me of Dominic Cummings.

[@sterichardsson]

Sound disappears at 19:08 (as per the description) and reappears at 23:04

[@JoseighBlogs]

Yes ~ it says so below video title with "Audio drops out at 19:10 for approx 3 mins due to a copyright claim."

[@louiseowusu246]

There was another excellent documentary called Deptford Days. Used to be on KZbin but can't find it. Anyone know where I can get it?

[@BaybiieR2k8]

Knocking down million pound real estate now

[@plugspud421]

It was all done just so that American woman could walk in and say "i even know what painting i would ask my farther for to go above the fire place" and then say £750.000 is good value 😢

[@hellfirepictures]

Honest to god, knowing that all these families - my own included - were forced out by lies that served NO purpose and benefitted absolutely nobody other than construction firms... it actually made me cry. My grandparents have always said how wonderful Deptford was and then it went so downhill they would no longer visit - and this explains it all. Just as with the PPE fiasco where tories and their mates benefitted at great expense to the public, so the lies told here came at great expense to the local, now destroyed, community. The people responsible for such choices should have their homes demolished and then be forced to move miles away from their family, friends, and community and see how 'grateful' they'd feel about it. I hate such evil superficial tossers. I hate them all.

[@GeorgejamesB01]

Lmao this was literally done by labour planners and town councils, the old bloke who was on Lewisham council was a Labour councillor. This is all social engineering by Labour, no different to what they’re doing today with ULEZ

[@terencelovell4735]

People say much the same about Al sit all of london. From getting displaced by hordes of tourists and hotel chains to mass migration. From soho to Covent Garden to Farringdon to thames mead to clerkenwell to Deptford and beyond. Upper class punching down as always. Gov have no care

[@terencelovell4735]

Yeah so what lab or con they’re all the same lying shits. Labour sold out the working class to cheap foreign labour and opened the migration floodgates decades ago . All so big business would have an endless pool of ppl to draw from to work in our now homogenous town centres. While cons just do the same. They’re all liars. At least cons aren’t war criminals I guess.

[@joemorgan636]

Property in Deptford is money now

[@rosie-vieharris9965]

Why can’t we watch theses episodes? My Nan is on one

[@basedpatriotLT]

I thought the poorest highstreets are the ones with mostly "enrichers", deptford seems to also have decent amount of British people left.

[@SEBZERODEGREEs]

Copyright or censorship?

[@resistradio4489]

45:00 Here come the crazy people !!

[@CARLIN4737]

people would chop your arm off now for a new house.

[@goldkeycars]

Lived at 71 Wooten Road all gone now .

[@tompahdea9263]

In some of these take down scene s you see the brick walls come apart with the slightest of pressure from the wrecking ball but as long as Briatain does not have earthquakes and the walls stay standing then they will not come down on their own. I have always said that Britain would not have its colorful architecture if it as other mountainous areas have, earthquake faults. They don't. And if we are hearing from these "older" gov't members speaking in interview years after the fact that they were in gov't then they pretty well were unexperienced and very non-influential members of gov't. They had no baring to stop what may be a groundswell from the community.

[@deathbycheese850]

Hate to burst your bubble mate but Britain certainly does have earthquakes. And there are fault lines, especially in Scotland. Pays to do some research before commenting.

[@hellfirepictures]

@@deathbycheese850 they are so small as to go undetected by anyone except for on the exceptionally rare occasion they approach something of a normal every day LA magnitude. So don't go mouthing off at people telling them to 'do their research' when it is patently obvious they mean earthquakes of a large enough magnitude to do even moderate damage. The most we've ever really 'suffered' is the occasional budgie dropping dead of an apparent heart attack (which could be coincidence) and a few roof tiles coming loose! Fyi - I was at the epicentre of the 2nd biggest earthquake recorded in mainland britain. Didn't wake my housemates. Rattled my bed frame. That was about it. Hardly what one might seriously call an earthquake when it would barely register as a mild tremor elsewhere.

[@louiseowusu246]

About 13 minutes in...what a way to demonise a place and the people! And it wasn't ok just to effectively bulldoze a place and a community like that. They didn't even consult people!

[@thelucentcrow9084]

No volume at 20mins what’s happened

[@JoseighBlogs]

It has written below title "Audio drops out at 19:10 for approx 3 mins due to a copyright claim."

[@GeorgejamesB01]

That Labour councillor who acted so sad is another pompous toff who has no idea, social engineering at its finest

[@terencelovell4735]

Upper class punching down on the working classes. Ruining their lives with their self importance. They’re still doing this now with their disregard for long standing Londoners and communities, displacing cockneys, mass migration etc etc

[@futtocks23]

05:18 Harry Hayward walks past. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rniogGiObZhopbc

[@JackKlumpass]

Loss of audio 1/4 way in

[@MrHogarth24]

Check out Deptford Heritage Festival 1-28 February 2019 www.KathDuncan.com

[@basedpatriotLT]

750K for a "slum" house in London, good luck :)

[@toppertruthio]

debt ford

[@edward6960]

Proudly boasting of “shooting a pub up”? What an excellent contribution he’s made to this country.

[@fredflintstoner596]

Mrs Richards: "I paid for a room with a view !" Basil: (pointing to the lovely view) "That is Torquay, Madam." Mrs Richards: "It's not good enough!" Basil: "May I ask what you were expecting to see out of a Torquay hotel bedroom window? Sydney Opera House, perhaps? the Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically past?..." Mrs Richards: "Don't be silly! I expect to be able to see the sea!" Basil: "You can see the sea, it's over there between the land and the sky." Mrs Richards: "I'm not satisfied. But I shall stay. But I expect a reduction." Basil: "Why?! Because Krakatoa's not erupting at the moment ?"

[@solcutta-zt9uw]

54.32 the plum mouthed twat talking of state dining rooms and bullshit.. Fucking people

[@Brian1Graves]

Why give that religious nutbar any exposure?