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Solar Foods is a startup making food out of thin air.
While we currently produce more than enough food to feed the world - making hunger, maddeningly, a problem of access, not abundance - that abundance comes at a steep environmental cost.
As plant-based alternatives to meat are growing in popularity and market share, their production still requires large-scale agricultural processes. And while growing crops has a smaller carbon footprint than raising animals, that does not mean it accounts for nothing.
Solar Foods believes the answer to a more sustainable food source is to not count on better agricultural practices or consuming less animal products - or the entire field of food production at all. To create this new, sustainable food source, Solar Foods has created a novel form of food - a protein made from single-cell organisms called Solein.
Needing primarily electricity and water, single-cell proteins can potentially be grown in the harshest of Earth environments as well. Places where traditional agriculture is difficult to impossible could produce their own sustainable food.
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[@freethink]

What do you think about this way of making sustainable food?

[@someguy2135]

Sounds great! What are the current obstacles to selling this on a mass scale like plant based meat alternatives are currently? Are you closer to market than say lab grown meat? Lab grown meat is now being sold in a Singapore restaurant.

[@starmole5000]

Solein burgers all the way

[@zrtgvbnjkop]

I’d argue this isn’t quite food but nutrients. It only makes sense the way it was presented by the gentlemen to supplement a meal and help reduce the impact of industrial farming. More realistically it could enrich the feed of cattle to reduce its carbone footprint, and as such must be competitive to this specific usage. So of course this looks very promising but let’s not underestimate the whole of the puzzle it fits in. My biggest criticism would be on the availability of electricity mentioned as being accessible everywhere. This is far from being true at the moment not only in termes of reliability of output, distribution but also economical sustainability. Moreover it also requires clean water (an issue Finland is far from having!). Also, it seems that this process requires highly trained staff which could reveal to be another hurdle to developing countries. Not to forget the intellectual properties and trade secrets licensing fees, however legitimate, that could render this technology inaccessible to many.

[@liggerstuxin1]

Depends on the energy needed to scale it up

[@Ravishrex1]

There go our teeth

[@user-tt5lf3ft9j]

Okay, this kinda crosses the line where simplification becomes gross and misleading. No, it's not a protein from CO2. Proteins can't be built from CO2 alone - they also consist of nitrogen and sometimes sulfur, and it's really hard to bind pure nitrogen, as well as extract sulfur from its aerial oxides. What is used in this research is the power of microbes that actually can do such things through the reactions of incredible complexity. But if we're still calling it "food from the air", then agriculture is basically the same thing - plants capture carbon dioxide and solar energy, bacteria capture nitrogen etc. There's nothing new in the presented approach, except now we only rely on microorganisms that are more expensive, harder to process and yield little amounts of product that needs thorough refinement to produce something barely edible.

[@midnight4348]

Damn Boi, you know your stuff

[@phoxgames5800]

im glad im not the only one who sees this

[@widgity]

Yeah, the whole "just CO2 and electricity" thing is more than a bit misleading.

[@gammelgemse]

Indeed. 👍

[@SunnySzetoSz2000]

china just finish the technology of making starch from CO2, no cell included. They are working on the cost deduction part.

[@tarkusd7534]

"we dont expect anyone actually to eat dry powder" Fitnessinfluencers: We are 5 steps ahead of you

[@freethink]

Fitnessinfluencers eating like it's 2077 today

[@CaptainManic2010]

Lol. I live off protein powders.

[@fitrianhidayat]

for real, I've seen them chugged protein powder instead of diluting it with water, like wtf...

[@LightSourceTemple]

Substitute it in soylent and impossible burger, bam

[@bhavyagupta5173]

@@freethink Lol cyberpunk

[@oogabooga2581]

when they keep saying "extracting protein from CO2" and "food from electricity and air" its really rustling my clickbait jimmies, can you just say its a micro-organism you're feeding vitamins and minerals, so where you get the hydrogen is irrelevant

[@khanch.6807]

Vitamins are produced naturally in bacteria. And plants also need to be feed minerals. Why do you think that Potassium industry is one of the largest in the world.

[@aimanrahman5768]

@@khanch.6807 his complaint is about the title not the process itself

[@BigBodyBiggolo]

They make the hydrogen with ectrolysis, its like saying all our food is a product of the petrochemical industry because we use a single food additive from that industry.

[@davidmende3409]

was fanactially searching for a comment pointing out that its a ton of marketing speak there XD gez. Yes its cool and i can help, but be true to the material and dont over exaggerte.

[@SunnySzetoSz2000]

china just finish the technology of making starch from CO2, no cell included. They are working on the cost deduction part.

[@sarrormiki3363]

Being a Finn and discovering about this through a foreign channel is really quite something lol

[@mariuswilsch850]

Lul, I had a Finnish friend once and damn they have way of living

[@rjung_ch]

This looks very promising, well done people!

[@TechFinn12]

What ? :

[@Yaveren]

Wait until we tell you what happens u see your cities at night

[@freethink]

We know you better than you know yourselves

[@Wadosan]

The founder of this company probably watched Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs and said “I’ll do you one better”

[@nephilimborn]

I was thinking he watched Soilent green to many times

[@lukewarmwater6412]

there are some who say that the isrealites had some sort of machine like this to feed them while they wandered in the desert.

[@rickcoona]

*SOYLENT GREEN IS MADE OF PEOPLE!!!*

[@whitetiger432]

The founder probably Bill Gates

[@zoepauls2256]

Solar food? This is straight out of dystopian novel...*nervous laughter*

[@baronvonbeandip]

It's not a bloody joke, roughly speaking.

[@oliverford5367]

Plants. Are we a joke to you?

[@Mortequal]

Dozer: It's a single-celled protein combined with synthetic aminos, vitamins, and minerals. Everything the body needs. Mouse: It doesn't have "everything the body needs"...

[@erNomic]

Exactly where my mind went.

[@freshbakedclips4659]

???

[@Yaveren]

Lol load up the red dress

[@freethink]

For@@freshbakedclips4659 and everyone else confused: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKCon32cj56dpbs

[@freshbakedclips4659]

@@freethink thanks

[@larcomj]

this is great until society breaks down and no one remembers how to farm.

[@fengthao3608]

The Amish people will remember

[@ripperrooh3759]

@@fengthao3608 Good point... I can assume that the Native born Cultures of the world will remember as well. 🌍🌏🌎

[@blackpowderkun]

@@ripperrooh3759 if you think about it their more sustainable practices may be saved from megacorp competition.

[@MrScowlyface]

In the US, only 1.3% of the population work in farming. Not sure it really matters if it drops a little more.

[@iunnox666]

Or farmland is all ravaged and a bunch of slop factories stand in their place.

[@chronofactor2037]

Technically speaking since we breathe out CO2, we could say Solein is made of people.

[@tigertiger530]

IT'S MADE OUT OF PEOPLE!!!!

[@hannibalrex2191]

Solein green

[@GreedyOrange]

​@@hannibalrex2191 ohfuck

[@benjaminbyron7796]

BAHAHAHA

[@sushantrocks]

Breakfast of champions from The Matrix - "everything the body needs" 😂

[@Wheeets]

It doesn't have everything the body needs... what'd you think of the woman in the red dress

[@freethink]

We should have asked if it tasted like "tasty wheat"

[@prolificlife1710]

Exactly what i was about to say

[@TwelvefoldWay]

To anyone saying something to the effect of how this is just another step toward a dystopia where we live off of bland white powder... You already do get a large part of your sustenance from bland white powder. It's called flour. People have been eating it since ancient agriculture.

[@De1usionsofGrandeur]

I always thought flour had like no nutrients though

[@TwelvefoldWay]

@@De1usionsofGrandeur It's a grain staple. It has a ton of carbs, which is the main thing it needs to do. But if it's wheat flour specifically, it also has protein and isn't too shabby on vitamin B. There's a reason its been a staple for so long. It wouldn't have been if it were garbage. If something comparable can be produced with greater efficiency, that's good news.

[@freethink]

Well put! There's probably a lot of the unidentifiable ingredients you see listed on food packaging that come as a bland powder too... One thing that jumped out was how they envision this being a staple ingredient, similar to flour. It'd be interesting to see how it can be worked with to integrate with existing recipes or even create new ones.

[@mcfaddenhall2896]

Only white flour is bland. Whole gains are delicious.

[@blackpowderkun]

Given that artificial flavoring exist and put on natural foods, I think the taste issue is easily solve.

[@frederickheard2022]

Where does the nitrogen come from? Can the microbes fix atmospheric N2, or do they have to provide bioavailable nitrogen as a feedstock? There is no protein without nitrogen, and N2 bonds are extremely hard to break.

[@Autepify]

Yes there are bacteria that can fix nitrogen in the air. I have no idea what microorganism they are referring to here though because they don't say 🤷

[@dmitrykozhin5316]

You can apply some electricity and liquify nitrogen from the ambient air

[@frederickheard2022]

@@dmitrykozhin5316 Liquifying N2 doesn’t break the extremely strong triple bond between the two nitrogen atoms. Nitrogen won’t bond with anything else until you break the N2 bond, and you don’t have protein without nitrogen bonded to carbon.

[@SamTheSubSaharan]

I have been eating air for years as an African, nice to see Westerners catch up!

[@georgiasumner1230]

Wow! Just wow! 😲❤

[@elfuturomio]

Never as good as EARTH.

[@StonedApe420]

"Great Reset is just a 150 Trilion Bank Bailout" - Max Kaiser

[@cherylmcelveen2817]

It's a whole lot more than that.

[@mapsandmarvels]

So, you don't even explain, what kind of organism they are growing! Are these bacteria/yeast/fungi? You're saying that this kind of organism can consume carbon dioxide AND hydrogen? How does it even work? I only have more questions after the video.

[@baronvonbeandip]

Get used to having questions. You'll never have the answers.

[@mapsandmarvels]

@@petemoss3160 Thank you Pete, I'll get a closer look into the paper

[@dbmail545]

Every photosynthetic organism uses hydrogen from water and carbon from CO2 to make sugars. What have these guys done but put on white lab coats and made a flashy video?

[@Thebreakdownshow1]

The Nordic countries are leading us to a new scientific and sustainable future. I would like to visit Finland one day to make a video about their culture.

[@grave367]

Nothing stopping you from going there

[@twilightgardenspresentatio6384]

Or just heal the world and eat normal food. 13,000 years can’t all be wrong.

[@tho3459]

@@twilightgardenspresentatio6384 well, yes, nature has always had a good balance. The issue lies in the pure scale of what we need to eat compared to back then. Up until the first human civilisation its estimated that there were only a few million people alive, spread out over the entire world, but now we have 7 billion, and we are also eating on a bigger scale and living longer. That is around 1000 times the population and more to add on the other factors. Still, for quite a while, probably most of our lifetimes we are gonna have to keep to a diet of mostly "normal" food, and phase stuff similar to this in as a "filler" to correct for that huge amount of extra calories needed.

[@tho3459]

@@twilightgardenspresentatio6384 sorry for the paragraph btw xD

[@HasanKhater]

Hope you like saunas, vodka and hunting.

[@Balvinarts]

Put a whole other meaning to when I come home and ask my girl whaTs for dinner and she replies AIR 🤣

[@The_Cyber_System]

This is quite interesting. I've seen tons of videos before about cellular agriculture (especially SciShow), but this was an interesting take on it - selling the story as basically growing food from air. Technically it's not correct since there's additional nutrients added in like potassium, calcium etc, but it's quite eye-catching as far as article titles go.

[@benjaminmartin956]

I love the concept! IMO if things proceed to go in the direction we humans are going then a food source like this could become a everyday part of our diet. This is my first time seeing something like this, and it's so super duper rad!!

[@joeker7240]

If we could eat air no one would go hungry, and yet millions starve to death in Africa every year.

[@user-tt5lf3ft9j]

IMO that's simply a gross clickbait. Not the best style, really.

[@sirnikkel6746]

Human defecation coul provide the nutrients for the bacteria?

[@tristan_y4902]

L

[@sherbershlemel6937]

how will it disconnect us from agriculture if the only way you expect people to eat it is with other foods

[@DMariaLR]

That’s amazing. On of the biggest problem here in USA is being wasteful of food. Wasteful in schools ( children throw away full trays of food) restaurants people throw away full plates. We need to only give what people will eat on their plates. Always best to get a second serving that’ll be eaten then to get a double serving that will be thrown away.

[@adicahya]

Many people taken food for granted. Until they don't.... For myself, I teach my kids to always finish the dish, nothing is left.

[@Top12Boardsport]

Biggest problem not only in the US is that people eat processed foods that are bad for your body. Go organic plant based and your health will guaranteed improve and you will not be over consuming.

[@coolioso808]

Serving sizes in restaurants and for special events (like concerts, sports, movies, etc.) are just ridiculous. I know it's a whole big consumerism game and that's why we get the overflowing giant bags of popcorn for an arm and a leg and the top layer of popcorn is on the floor before you even get it, and I know all these foods that aren't very good for us anyway - however - we could still do better with serving sizes in generally, even for the good foods.

[@freethink]

Yes. There are a lot of interesting efforts to avoid food waste and upcycle food, especially in schools: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZoqsqHqbptx6a7s Often institutions find it makes more economic sense to prepare more food than they can use rather than risk running out, and then to redistribute it or store all of it before it spoils is an expensive and difficult challenge. But hopefully with many people working on it from different angles we can find ways to do better.

[@DMariaLR]

@@freethink I hope so. I worked at a school and saw ALOT of food thrown in the trash unopened it was heartbreaking. I hope the situation is different. I hear from my grandkids that most do not eat the food 😞

[@twilightgardenspresentatio6384]

What we will do to save ourselves once we’ve killed our world amazes me.

[@danieldeelite]

What we will do to pretend humans have always exploited people for production amazes me

[@X99Zero]

@@danieldeelite this

[@iunnox666]

Save ourselves? More like march towards hell.

[@dragonskunkstudio7582]

If only they could make lab grown lard and tallow and butter because vegetable oil is so unhealthy except for 100% pure olive oil, which not easy to get.

[@bestnews4you]

"Protein" is just a generic word for an assembly of amino acids into long or short chains, of which there a hundreds of variations, not all of which can sustain health in humans. Let's not applaud "proteins" without knowing what, specifically, they are composed of.

[@sandruu]

If we lost our smell and taste, this will be a perfect food.

[@xXDESTINYMBXx]

Covid: hello there

[@evakaname]

Already sounds perfect to me. i hate eating and its a struggle to get enough down, eating is always a chore i dread when the time is coming. If i newer had to eat again and could live healthy with a sip of odorless tasteless tiny intake that sounds amazing xD

[@LordOfChaos.x]

@@evakaname bruh u dont know how to cook or something?

[@ultravioletcatastrophe]

Tasteless and scent-less? That's literally a perfect food for me. Mix it into anything to get all the protein you need without the tangy taste of something like soy protein isolate

[@csabaandocs3378]

They are feeding bioengineered yeast in a very novel way. Unfortunately, the process is energy intensive as the hydrogen is sourced from electrolysis of water using electricity.

[@leoperez2566]

Producing hydrogen is pretty wasteful as a source of energy. It's hard to imagine it be viable as a material for food.

[@oliverford5367]

If you've got enough energy you can do it. Hydrogen is inefficient as a source of car energy, but as matter it could be used

[@leoperez2566]

Power is pricier than food. Until that changes I dont see this taking off.

[@oliverford5367]

@@leoperez2566 Yeah energy is the big thing that needs improving. Hopefully nuclear fusion will become rela soon

[@blahdelablah]

@@leoperez2566 Power is already involved in the existing agriculture system. Energy is involved in growing, processing, transporting and storing food. Brewing protein in the way shown in this video offers the chance to reduce overall energy consumption in the food system.

[@leoperez2566]

@@blahdelablah i suppose

[@mizuhonova]

This honestly just looks like a less efficient soy isolate powder. Instead of using sunlight (free) and soy plants, they're using electricity (not free) and bacteria which is less efficient. Still need space to have fermentation chambers, still need micro nutrients for the bacteria to grow, still need to extract and dry out into powder form.

[@benjaminmartin956]

You are 💯% spot on. However I do think the concept is awesome and heading in the right direction. As someone who ferments and distills I would like to learn more, so I can try it on a small scale.

[@KManAbout]

Soy has huge land use cost, fertilizers, etc. plus you can use solar panels to power the factory. You can also get higher yields and factory can be built anywhere and not just in fertile lands.

[@blue6uru82]

Afghanistan needs this, like yesterday!

[@blue6uru82]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aGnVgaigbtSioM0

[@Galv140577]

Absolutely horrifying. Solar panels instead of plants and electric robot powder instead of the vast plethora of nutrients, vitamins, minerals, and essential fats that a healthy diet consists of, and no agriculture instead of having animals grazing to prevent land-erosion. This is straight out of some sort of distopian horror movie.

[@WelfareChrist]

This is awesome. There’s an old science fiction trilogy I read in the early 2000s that I loved where most of mankind was eating photosynthesized proteins. I can’t remember the trilogy’s name but one of the books was called Starfish? I think? It really was a fantastic series, it was just so long ago.

[@WelfareChrist]

I looked it up: it’s the Rifters trilogy by Peter Watts.

[@thecatsbackyard4833]

Lol, imagine if we did this and there wasn't enough co2 in the atmosphere. I don't know if that's something to really be concerned about, in this hypothetical instance but I can't imagine a greater irony.

[@Geo.StoryMaps]

If that's our problem if be easy to fix

[@thecatsbackyard4833]

@@Geo.StoryMaps Yeah, no kiddin. We certainly know how to produce co2.

[@Geo.StoryMaps]

@@thecatsbackyard4833 hey man you said it

[@bunnyviperaquatics2108]

We will kill ourselves, even if it’s “later”

[@ehtuanK]

Every CO2 molecule required to produce this food is eventually exhaled by the person who eats it. So: No, we won't run out of atmospheric CO2.

[@awkwardllama0509]

This reminds me of the mystery food in the Matrix that the survivors eat aboard their ships. This is REALLY REALLY cool though and I cant wait to try some

[@dizzydinonysius]

"Soylent Green" is the first thing that pops into my head. Which also makes me wonder where the source of nutrients they feed the bacteria.

[@MrAsianman987]

This channel never ceases to amaze me

[@freethink]

Glad to hear, thanks so much for following!

[@dbmail545]

Well, I won't waste my eyeballs on this BS clickbait so I don't expect it to amaze me!

[@imacuser101]

They should just make a protein powder to help fund their business. If it can be less than pea or if it has a better amino profile then that would be a better source than pea

[@freethink]

Interesting idea!

[@RasmusSchultz]

I tried pea protein. It's like eating dirt. Went straight back to whey. If this is more edible as a supplement, I might try it.

[@noway905]

I thought they already invented this 40 years ago for space cadets. They called it Tang!

[@veggieboyultimate]

Farming already takes up a lot of land, we need to find better and more sustainable ways to do that. Or even make the way we farm today greener.

[@NaptownClassic]

All you need is air and electricity. And phosphorus and sulfur and calcium and iron and potassium and water and a cleanroom and equipment.

[@jeureeka552]

I CAN TASTE THE SUN!!!

[@PrototypeCreation]

According to a study made by the American Chemical Society the process could actually have a negative Co2 footprint of more than one kWh per kg of protein dry mass. I calculated this with a mean value of 300g Co2 emissions for a kWh of electricity used. For protein yield of 0.25% of the dry biomass the Co2 emission are 0.8 kwh/kg. For a maximum protein yield of 0.75% the emissions are 0.35 kwh/kg. These values are subtracted from ca 1.8 kWh of Co2 fixation in the product. So the net negative Co2 footprint lies between 1 and 1.5 kWh/kg of protein. According to the study energy requirements not accounted for are: mixing, pumping, Co2 transfer, harvesting and DSP itself, and further complications associated with culture stability. But the numbers look better every year, because the energy mix has a decreasing Co2 footprint and can ultimatively reach zero. Concerning the title it has to be said that the product requires more resources than just air and electricity! The product will also not be the most sustainable food-source! Not by a long shot. All plants fix Co2 from the air and are good for food, fodder, medicine, construction and more. They do not require electricity to grow and procreate ecosystems aka Nature. We need this product, but much more food-production with regenerated ecosystems like it is done in agro-forestry, permaculture, or simple sustainable, holistic agriculture.

[@jadosrd8950]

You didn’t mention the line about agriculture being the cause of deforestation and desertification. That one really bugs me, as it only applies to big business agri-industry and is completely the opposite for true agriculture. Well said, though.

[@reidYak]

Protein from air and minerals is pretty goddamn efficient *but* how do you apply that worldwide? _-The planning? The integration??-_ Like the implications of higher electricity needed for scaling of food is exactly what most people are trying to avoid.

[@bosmeriosmosis215]

Soilent Green

[@DynamicHaze]

We need to find a way to make mushrooms in mass. It's the closest thing to meat/muscle fibers.

[@nateb4485]

mushrooms have very little nutrition though, other then some minerals and vitamins... almost no fat/carbs/protein, cant live off mushrooms

[@DynamicHaze]

@@nateb4485 they have multiple different mushroom varieties that we can fortify with this powder. People won't be able to give up meat unless there's an alternative that's not ultra processed food.

[@nateb4485]

@@DynamicHaze yeah that could work

[@davidmcphee7558]

Way to close to Soylent Green. The foreshadowing gives me the Willie's.

[@elsjemassyn8921]

Awesome the sooner the better 😀

[@robmorris4168]

THIS IS FANTASTIC!!

[@Lorenzo-pp5vj]

I wonder though, proteins are nitrogen rich compounds and yet they didn't mention nitrogen even once... where do these bacteria find the nitrogen to fix into amminoacids? Nitrogen compounds escaping in the atmosphere are one of the biggest forms of pollution generated in agriculture so I would've liked to hear at least a word about it

[@SariAlShammari]

It's dried yeast or bacteria. They've talked about everything except the protein itself, or to be exact the organism. They are either intentionally or not intentionally didn't not talk about the fact that they are using dry Bacteria or Yeast and powder it and call it protein, there's nothing wrong about it or nothing to hide about it either, and it is 100% sustainable if they use solar but again idk why they were beating around the bush with inspirational talk and not tell us what's in the brewing pot

[@dustinmcdermont699]

Exactly, it's probably just genetically engineered algae...yum

[@SariAlShammari]

@@dustinmcdermont699 that too is a very valid choice, but it seems like they are hiding it, so people won't be put off by it?

[@dustinmcdermont699]

@@SariAlShammari yes indeed, Funny they said single-celled protein, which isn't even a thing. Protein from a single-celled something, now that does exist. I guess they think people in the western world aren't ready to eat algae powder, although I've seen it as an additive at fancy fruit juice bars, so idk.

[@kevintrey775]

this is the cartoon cloudy with a chance of meatballs in real life

[@Jagdell]

Lol I'm so blackpilled these days.. as soon as he said we will be cost competitive because electricity is getting cheaper I emedietly thought: This is why power/electricity cost has gone up!

[@MsEverAfterings]

There are a myriad of reasons why cost of electricity has gone up currently (largely the side effects of the pandemic), but they are not wrong that the cost renewable energy has become cheaper in recent years.

[@Jagdell]

@@MsEverAfterings that's why I called myself blackpilled

[@lordyellowman]

Solar food as a company has their preliminary research incorrect, animal and vegetable foods are very efficient it’s just that the food industry externalizes costs. And it is mostly thanks to bad regulations and the fact that your produce can’t compete in our present food market if you as a farmer don’t use unsustainable farm practices. Farming can actually improve and reforest environments if done regeneratively and sustainably, it also tastes better than powder.

[@davidmende3409]

sorry man, but animal food cannot compete, when the goal is to reduce carbon emission on a large scale - that is simply not true.

[@foreverwantingpie]

@@davidmende3409 I'm vegan and I hear u but I think some level of animal companionship on regenerative farms is necessary for cycling food scraps, managing bug populations, and providing manure.

[@davidmende3409]

@@foreverwantingpie yet - will that be done by cows or sheep? Highly unlikely, maaaybe chicken and pigs but certainly not on the scale that would be required to continue our current animal "usage". There are simply more effient ways of solving these problems.

[@foreverwantingpie]

@@davidmende3409 agreed current scale of usage of animals could never be efficient or sustainable. And yes I was thinking something like chickens or maybe pigs depending on the byproducts your site produces.

[@lordyellowman]

@@foreverwantingpie it is honestly the way that it is done that is unsustainable, but the extent to which costs have been externalized for cheap food is huge and it has degraded soil. If you took your figures for land usage and “carbon footprint”(a term invented by oil companies to shift blame on consumers for pollution) from a government or statistical source, you would arrive to that conclusion. But land can be way way more productive by square meter if it’s regenerated and properly managed. Cows and sheep are not as inefficient as you might think, please search permaculture and regenerative agriculture and look at some of their farming operations. It is truly good usage of resources imo.

[@togglefire3537]

I work in agriculture as a fertilizer blender. Even though technically something like this could eventually make my job obsolete I still want it to happen. As much as I love farmland and all that stuff I do realize the ecological damage it's doing to the environment as well as with mass production of crops the nutrition value has been going down ever since the Green revolution happened. I wouldn't mind having my company go under to be replaced by something like this. I already have the chemical and fertilizer knowledge so it's something I could possibly get into.

[@crys313]

What if we just rethink farming without creating tasteless bland products?

[@phatphan1403]

This is amazing! Lab-grown meat and Solein will save the Earth.

[@dbmail545]

Must be nice to have that much faith in technology when more of it has gone into killing people than feeding them. Did it never occur to you that this technology is perfect for getting people to forget how food is grown thus becoming dependent on factory made food?

[@phatphan1403]

@@dbmail545 Earth has limited space and resource to sustain a limited number of people via natural agriculture. If there is no factory-processed food, the solution is either less human or more Earths. While Elon Musk's ambition is still far fetch, less human is more likely to happen as we kill ourselves through wars on resources, famine, and environmental destruction.

[@Meleeman011]

@@dbmail545 killing people is easier than feeding them.

[@peter81083]

30 years ago we were taugh in school that this general principle is what created life on earth.

[@matchrocket1702]

Not mentioned here was a cost comparison to current food production. It's not really a solution if it costs ten times more.

[@REIwAlexY]

we cannot feed everyone on Earth is a common misconception. we throw away a humungous amount of food. the issue is distribution, not production

[@todddammit4628]

Not entirely true. We can't feed everyone on the planet the way American's like to eat. There literally isn't enough land to produce that much beef.

[@REIwAlexY]

@@todddammit4628 and your pt is...? Where in my comment do I mention anything about feeding everyone as Americans eat? Thats a very random point to bring up imo. American diet is shitty anyway. Why would you want to mimic it?

[@todddammit4628]

@@REIwAlexY Because more and more countries have adopted a largely Americanized diet. Its a trend that has been happening for the last 50 years. As countries move out of poverty, their meat consumption goes way up with it. So its not a myth that we have an issue of not enough food to feed the world. Its contextual and based on what kind of food.

[@REIwAlexY]

@@todddammit4628 okay, but you are trying to argue many claims in one. One claim is that because Americans like to eat more meat, that is making other countries follow suit. Second claim is that we do not have enough land to produce enough meat to meet this demand. And third, and most importantly as I definitely do not believe this to be true, that if we do not meet the DESIRES or WANTS of people to eat meat (only 1 source of protein) that this is the same as saying "we do not have enough food to feed the world". Just because I want beef, doesn't mean I will starve myself and die if I can't get it. I will find other food or other protein sources as replacement. This is why I dont see the relevancy of your claim of "we do not have enough food to feed everyone because ppl are adopting the Americanized diet of more meat and we don't have enough land to make all of the desired meat". Feed doesn't mean I give u exactly what u want or need. Feed means anything from being given any food whatsoever, to meeting absolute bare minimum nutrition necessary to survive, to meeting sufficient nutrition for growth and development at best. And none of those definitions take into account preferences of how nutrition is met. Also, there is a LOT more meat available then just beef or pork. Insects also contain meat. So I would bring to question even the whole "we don't have enough meat to feed everyone" claim

[@todddammit4628]

@@REIwAlexY Okay, but every analysis of food scarcity takes into account the type of diets being consumed. They almost always an explanation that the current diet is unsustainable. So saying that those studies are myths because there are alternatives is missing the point of the studies altogether.

[@ayanokojikiyotaka7603]

So basically we can collect farts and turn it into food. FART Farming lol.

[@UliBaier]

Nestle: ah, hello?

[@brian2440]

The agriculture statistics are not really accurate here

[@tho3459]

Ok, can you link to better numbers thanks? I would love to read up more on this. Plus i think measurements of statistics can vary a lot from source to source, even if both try to be as accurate as possible.

[@chromeaccent]

What is the name and the original source of the single cell organism that is being grown?

[@hemasomaya5735]

I think I just watched like over 20 of these free think videos and I’m about to cry such amazing things are happening in the world ❤️

[@Livetoeat171]

This is about time! To sacrifice an animal's life for us to live is disgusting. We definitely need this science to continue! But, too many of these people commenting on this video are arguing as to where they get the components that make it up rather than celebrating the fact that they can do it and provide another form of food for the human beings that live on this earth.

[@ronaldrider]

Wow, this reminds me of the ancient story of the Hebrews exodus from Egypt. They survived in the desert with food from the heavens provided by their Mana machine. Some stories say that on the Sabbath day they all rested so that they can clean the Mana machine. Just makes me want to say Hmmmmm.

[@raystaar]

It's hard to imagine that something so thoroughly synthesized could ever provide the same quality nutrition as the plants we evolved eating.

[@kate8160]

Guys you’re awesome for bringing such interesting stories 💗💗💗

[@natelabiss]

So what happens when you don't have electricity? No food? Hmm 🤔 seems sustainable, and environmentally friendly

[@allieb7321]

I really love this idea, and it’s awesome that the company plans to have Solein appear in other foods to help integrate it and be taken as interesting and positive in the public eye. One BIG question I have: can (if not now, perhaps in the future) can Solein or a similarly sustainable product be shaped into different textures, densities, etc and have artificial flavoring and/or colors added? If that can be done without detracting from the nutritional value, I can definitely see this as not only being an ideal sustainable and nutritious resource, but also one that could be much more appealing and even desirable to the public. Definitely will keep an eye on this company!!

[@ryanfoster5902]

I think the Solein is more of an additive than a main structural component of food

[@marcpatzelt2430]

I really wanted to see someone taste it...

[@BluBOo_]

They said it's taste neutral and is an ingredient not a a whole meal. You use it to fortify other food

[@nufkistruff9961]

One word - Epic!

[@anthonyparbury8025]

Their a will and their a way

[@NeilCEfird]

If the process is more sustainable than agriculture then they should start by using it to replace cow, pig, chicken, and fish feed, that way they don't need to worry about taste so much. This would also help eliminate issues like mad cow disease etc

[@bobross4886]

Well I guess it might be better than eating ground up crickets.

[@dragonskunkstudio7582]

I seen this movie, Solein is people!

[@TheGalacticWest]

Plants: (About to eat a thicc co2 snack) Solar Foods scientist: (Sucks up that co2) Ill take that.

[@jan_Masewin]

Classic example of legitimately pioneering science being overblown by bad journalism

[@SamMasghati]

Can someone with twitter send this to Elon Musk? He might invest into this

[@Guru]

Sent.

[@joshspry1]

I'm a horticulturist major, and I've been thinking about this. Photosynthesis could provide us with food and electricity. I hope this new kind of technology can take off. PS water is also required.

[@scar3xcr0]

The problem is that meat is more than 100x better tasting

[@LukeVilent]

As a side note, meat replacements do NOT taste and feel like meat. It would've been ok, though, if not for a bigger problem: they are also digested differently. I totally love vegan sausages and fricadels, but my stomach just brakes if I eat them for any prolonged time, whereas nothing like that happens when I stick to chicken. Vegan food is a nice substitute you can go for once in a while, but it is no replacement.

[@helmutzollner5496]

Sorry, but what a madness. How is electricity made? What is the conversion efficiency? I guess it is fine for SpaceX on Mars, but to get rid of agriculture in favour of factory food. Not for me. Sorry.

[@benmcreynolds8581]

That's literally everything we need to survive. I'd love to try adding it to my diet. Just like this.

[@DisturbedDrake]

u would like to just survive wouldnt you

[@christophertillack7995]

Protein from air? I can almost hear every breatharian from here. "I told you so!"

[@justforknowledge6367]

Brilliant! Appears too good to be true!

[@hououinkyouma5539]

Oh boy. I can't wait for the rich to exploit this too

[@leoperez2566]

Invest in companies you believe in. That's what the rich do.

[@nebulous962]

Suomi mainittu torilla tavataan!

[@Tom-yp7cq]

I'm pretty sure the UK solved all this decades ago with Quorn

[@dragonsuper6195]

This gives a whole new meaning to wind-pies and nothing-chops

[@lavernescarberry9799]

Closed loop system sounds like food intolerances and allergies galore. The food sheves at the grocery stores are already full of garbage that should never be eaten by any living creature.

[@1stAmbientGrl]

"Solar Foods' mission is to disconnect food production from agriculture." Read: "We want to take over and control the world's food supply and create food that you will be forced to eat but don't really want. Take THAT Monsanto!"

[@andresreyes-capo3644]

Great!

[@hoptoads]

I prefer my food direct from nature, not direct from a chemist.

[@hughdub123]

It is kind of sad that by serving as a publicity purveyor for this green tech company Freethink is conveying blatantly unsubstantiated claims that only contribute to the loss of confidence of the general public in other more ecologically sound project. There are some many truncated facts and inaccuracies in this video that my gums started bleeding. Truly sad.

[@dbmail545]

Yep. Clickbait at best. Propaganda at worst. 80% of all food grown on the planet goes to feed animals harvested for their meat. The future of this is super-cheap animal food.

[@vincentsherlock6617]

Crypto-currency millionaires should get together and create a global crowdfunding smart contract for this company/technology to buy them out and scale up.

[@tomwwabo9246]

You should also have a look at what Dimensional Energy is doing. They use artificial photosynthesis to produce fuel from CO2.

[@benwilliams3539]

I'll stick with regular food thanks, I'm not livestock.

[@Information_Seeker]

since everyone is probably wondering the cost, I googled what they say their costs are, they claim €5-6 per kilo, which measures to $2.268-2.721 per pound, one source says this is *production* cost, one just says it *costs* (no mention of if that's sell price or cost to produce)

[@thechancellor-]

To the *incredible person* seeing this, I wish you all the best in life❤ don't over blame yourself, accept things and go forward. Don't let others define what “success” is for you. Get up, learn the skills needed and get after it, all the keys to a happy life is in your hands. Keep pushing.

[@Kart0nas]

alright!

[@inthso362]

"The only thing that can save us is less people, less energy use, and more vegetation" "Right. More technology to make food out of air. And, let's clone mammoths." We're doomed. Summer is coming. This one will be long...

[@hezlerb7239]

I'm totally absolutely not religious but this reminds me of the mana spoken of in the Bible and Tarah when Moses and the people roamed the desert and food called "Mana" would appear out of thin air and rain down. It is mentioned that it was used in everything and could be eaten and prepared in many many ways...

[@TheRealDylanTRM]

The FLDSMDFR from Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs is becoming more of a reality every day.